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Nexus 5 to GPE M8 - Questions

Those of you who have switched from a Nexus 5 to the GPE M8, have you noticed any issues with the sound? I had the GPE M8 and returned it since some notifications would distort sometimes and you could hear distortion when turning up the volume. I returned it to see if this could get ironed out and went back to the Nexus 5, but miss the build quality and battery life of the M8.
What about camera quality? Do you notice a big difference between the two. One of the reasons I went back was for the camera, but now I can't decide if that was worth it or not.

Seriously? All the notifications are very low quality files. Horrible way to judge the sound output of the device. If that's your criteria than the M8 isn't for you since that's a problem that you will face with all the M8s. As for the camera I don't miss it at all honestly. M8s camera has been great so far for me.
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Fidelio_o said:
Seriously? All the notifications are very low quality files. Horrible way to judge the sound output of the device. If that's your criteria than the M8 isn't for you since that's a problem that you will face with all the M8s. As for the camera I don't miss it at all honestly. M8s camera has been great so far for me.
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I was just wondering if that was an issue with the phone or the notifications itself. I had never experienced that before. It wasn't constantly, so I thought it might have been an issue. But thank you for chiming in on that.
And the GPE M8 camera isn't as good as the Sense M8, from what I have heard as it's basically just a stock 4mp camera. So I was wondering other people's experiences with switching from the 8mp camera of the N5 (which I have found to be pretty solid) to the 4mp camera of the GPE M8.

I've used the GPE conversion and noticed no noticeable difference and photo quality. Plus all the features you get with the stock M8 camera are still available to you.
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Fidelio_o said:
I've used the GPE conversion and noticed no noticeable difference and photo quality. Plus all the features you get with the stock M8 camera are still available to you.
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TBH I do notice a difference in camera quality... it doesn't seem as "sharp". Appears more soft than when using Sense camera.

technostein said:
TBH I do notice a difference in camera quality... it doesn't seem as "sharp". Appears more soft than when using Sense camera.
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That's kind of what I thought. The quality of pics coming from the Nexus 5 seem to be quite a bit better than the GPE M8. That's the only thing holding me back.

Wildo6882 said:
That's kind of what I thought. The quality of pics coming from the Nexus 5 seem to be quite a bit better than the GPE M8. That's the only thing holding me back.
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In terms of detail the nexus 5 is probably better on both sense and GPE M8, but at least you get more camera features and tweaks. By no means is it a bad camera, just don't zoom in and it looks amazing, better than my girlfriends note 2. Only when zooming in it becomes clear. And low light performance is only second to high end nokia lumias.

technostein said:
In terms of detail the nexus 5 is probably better on both sense and GPE M8, but at least you get more camera features and tweaks. By no means is it a bad camera, just don't zoom in and it looks amazing, better than my girlfriends note 2. Only when zooming in it becomes clear. And low light performance is only second to high end nokia lumias.
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Are you referring to the quality of pics on the GPE M8 or stock M8 when comparing it to the Note 2?
Another thing I noticed was shutter speed. The Nexus is definitely much faster there. Which is important when taking pictures of speedy toddlers.
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Wildo6882 said:
Are you referring to the quality of pics on the GPE M8 or stock M8 when comparing it to the Note 2?
Another thing I noticed was shutter speed. The Nexus is definitely much faster there. Which is important when taking pictures of speedy toddlers.
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both. more so Stock.
And what? really? I have had a nexus 5 and currently have M8, the shutter speed is much faster on the M8! like crazy fast

technostein said:
both. more so Stock.
And what? really? I have had a nexus 5 and currently have M8, the shutter speed is much faster on the M8! like crazy fast
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Yeah the GPE M8 I had was much slower than the Nexus 5. I even tried them side by side and it was obvious which one was faster. Unless you had the flash or HDR on.

Wildo6882 said:
Those of you who have switched from a Nexus 5 to the GPE M8, have you noticed any issues with the sound? I had the GPE M8 and returned it since some notifications would distort sometimes and you could hear distortion when turning up the volume. I returned it to see if this could get ironed out and went back to the Nexus 5, but miss the build quality and battery life of the M8.
What about camera quality? Do you notice a big difference between the two. One of the reasons I went back was for the camera, but now I can't decide if that was worth it or not.
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yes there was alittle more crackle here and there in notifications

daddioj said:
yes there was alittle more crackle here and there in notifications
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I'd assume that's probably from the bad file quality of the notifications like the first responder said.
I guess it's more an issue with the files themselves and not a problem with the phone.

Wildo6882 said:
I'd assume that's probably from the bad file quality of the notifications like the first responder said.
I guess it's more an issue with the files themselves and not a problem with the phone.
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prob because I don't have audio issues with youtube. although. its just the audio issues 4.4.2 has with certain things

How's battery life?
I wanted a nexus 5 so bad Cuz its cheap but no SD card was a killer
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PunishedSnake said:
How's battery life?
I wanted a nexus 5 so bad Cuz its cheap but no SD card was a killer
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Battery life on the Nexus is just OK. It gets through most days as long as you aren't hard core about using it. But it isn't the best.
The M8 was great. I didn't have a single issue with it. Made it through every day with ease. And that was with a lot of accounts syncing and a decent amount of use.
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Wildo6882 said:
Yeah the GPE M8 I had was much slower than the Nexus 5. I even tried them side by side and it was obvious which one was faster. Unless you had the flash or HDR on.
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This was due to the old "stock" camera app available on the GPE at launch. It has since been updated with the release of the Google camera update in the play store. It has zero lag to speak of now.

RootDragon said:
This was due to the old "stock" camera app available on the GPE at launch. It has since been updated with the release of the Google camera update in the play store. It has zero lag to speak of now.
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Well I did try them side by side with the new camera and the Nexus 5 was still faster. Pics are definitely better on the Nexus 5, but they aren't terrible on the M8. They just seem to lack detail and color depth. Even on non zoomed in pics.

Wildo6882 said:
Well I did try them side by side with the new camera and the Nexus 5 was still faster. Pics are definitely better on the Nexus 5, but they aren't terrible on the M8. They just seem to lack detail and color depth. Even on non zoomed in pics.
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Everyone knows camera is weakest link on M8. If you bought M8, you know its limitations. It has been well documented that your daylight pics wont look as good as most other flagship devices which includes Nexus 5. Nexus 5 after the camera updates take brilliant HDR images which are comparable to even Samsung or LG flagships. Better at times.
The images on M8 are flatter. Those who want to defend the M8 Ultra Pixel camera say that it does not matter if you are watching pictures on phone or monitor, but it is clearly visible on most high resolution good quality monitors. Specially if you compare it side by side to images taken by say S4, s5 or even Nexus 5. Even when they are not zoomed in, you can see more detail and sharpness. So nothing out of ordinary here.
As far as Android experience is concerned, GPE is not any faster than Nexus 5 in terms of how it feels while navigating Android UI. The 2 things where M8 kills Nexus 5 is the feel of the phone in hands and battery life. Even on GPE battery life is phenomenal.
If you moved to M8 GPE hoping you will feel the increased performance while using phone, you will be disappointed. There is virtually no difference in performance. You are paying for the hardware quality and materials used. Not for performance.

Funkym0nkey said:
Everyone knows camera is weakest link on M8. If you bought M8, you know its limitations. It has been well documented that your daylight pics wont look as good as most other flagship devices which includes Nexus 5. Nexus 5 after the camera updates take brilliant HDR images which are comparable to even Samsung or LG flagships. Better at times.
The images on M8 are flatter. Those who want to defend the M8 Ultra Pixel camera say that it does not matter if you are watching pictures on phone or monitor, but it is clearly visible on most high resolution good quality monitors. Specially if you compare it side by side to images taken by say S4, s5 or even Nexus 5. Even when they are not zoomed in, you can see more detail and sharpness. So nothing out of ordinary here.
As far as Android experience is concerned, GPE is not any faster than Nexus 5 in terms of how it feels while navigating Android UI. The 2 things where M8 kills Nexus 5 is the feel of the phone in hands and battery life. Even on GPE battery life is phenomenal.
If you moved to M8 GPE hoping you will feel the increased performance while using phone, you will be disappointed. There is virtually no difference in performance. You are paying for the hardware quality and materials used. Not for performance.
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Tbh you shouldn't state your points like they are facts. These are just opinions I do agree on some points though.
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technostein said:
Tbh you shouldn't state your points like they are facts. These are just opinions I do agree on some points though.
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Opinions are like saying blue looks better than red. When you can actually clearly see and know there is no way in hell a 4MP camera will capture more details than a good 8 or 13MP camera in daylight, it is not a opinion. It is a fact. M8 camera is good at certain things, but definitely not best thing to have to take images with good details. Especially in scenes where there are lot of details outdoors.
I bought M8 knowing what to expect. I had original One. With couple of tricks added thanks to Duo camera, the level of details were simply not going to improve dramatically. Resolution shows its limitations in cases like these.
It is not a ****ty camera by any means, but what OP described is very well documented and known. People expect a $650 phone to blow $350 phone out of water in everything. That is simply not going to happen with phones like M8. It is designed knowing they are compromising something to get gains in other areas. They stuck to it. Whether people like it or not is different matter.

Alternative with great speakers

Was looking forward to the M9 but not seeing a lot of promising upgrades over m8.
Biggest need is good stereo speakers.
- unlocked bootloadet would be nice, at least rootable
- 5 inch plus screen
- better camera than m8
-apple not an option
Does this unicorn exist?

tomplatz said:
Was looking forward to the M9 but not seeing a lot of promising upgrades over m8.
Biggest need is good stereo speakers.
- unlocked bootloadet would be nice, at least rootable
- 5 inch plus screen
- better camera than m8
-apple not an option
Does this unicorn exist?
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Nexus 6 is the only one that meets your stated requirements.

orange-man1 said:
Nexus 6 is the only one that meets your stated requirements.
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what about the S6 and S6 Edge, don't leave them out like that

KuroKeita said:
what about the S6 and S6 Edge, don't leave them out like that
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One of the requirements was good stereo speakers, so that eliminates Samsung phones. This list is so specific that I can't think of anything besides the Nexus 6 that checks all the boxes.

orange-man1 said:
One of the requirements was good stereo speakers, so that eliminates Samsung phones. This list is so specific that I can't think of anything besides the Nexus 6 that checks all the boxes.
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oh, i forgot about that one and yeah, with that, the only one left is the nexus 6

Xperia Z3

Saygus v2

z3 has very poor speaker like all sony phones
note4 have very loud speaker and clear it fairly good
the phones of this year is have a lot of problems like lg flex 2 lag like hell with snap 810
the lg pro 2 is way faster with snap 800

Now that we've had a few come online. Asking again, any unicorns like this? Upcoming note 5?

M9 is best bet for these criteria. Screen slightly less than 5" though.

augie7107 said:
M9 is best bet for these criteria. Screen slightly less than 5" though.
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It's a heated debate but the camera isn't a whole lot better though from what I'm seeing. May just have to ride it out with my M8 for another season.
They blew it on the M9 IMHO.
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tomplatz said:
It's a heated debate but the camera isn't a whole lot better though from what I'm seeing. May just have to ride it out with my M8 for another season.
They blew it on the M9 IMHO.
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I'm actually quite hopeful for software updates to improve the camera. I took some photos with the HDR Camera+ app, and the images are significantly clearer with greater detail than using the stock or Google camera.

I think the Z5 is my unicorn. can't wait

Then you might as well wait a couple more months for the Snapdragon 820 devices...serious improvements there. Otherwise, this Fall the HTC One A9 Aero might be something you want to check out.

Any of the new xperia devices.
In all fairness the HTC Speakers are better than the Sony ones.

M9 or go fo 6P ?

Hi guys. I want to buy a new phone and really like HTC UI, but yesterday i was at cellphone shop and seller advice me to ignore M9 cuz suffer's from HEAT!
Is it true what he said ? and do you recommend it or go straight for Nexus 6P ? hmmm i want regular phone like 5 inch and M9 good size and i feel more than 5inch phone is hard and weird right
PLZ help me .

See this discussion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3312273

I really wonder why some people still talk about overheating problems ! It was resolved a long time ago after the first few updates by HTC.

Elixir_ said:
I really wonder why some people still talk about overheating problems ! It was resolved a long time ago after the first few updates by HTC.
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Thanks man. so only weakness for this device is the camera performance and how about battery after 6.0M ? is it better?

Faisal Alro8y said:
Thanks man. so only weakness for this device is the camera performance and how about battery after 6.0M ? is it better?
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The camera isn't that bad to be honest, it just doesn't reach the level of some other flagships such as the Galaxy S6 and the G4 (especially in low-light conditions). For the battery life, most of the m9 owners have noticed an improvement after the 6.0 update. I'm currently running a custom rom (ViperOne 4.2.1) and you can see my battery stats in the attached screen cap.
You can also check this thread for more details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/battery-sot-t3067585/page140

The heat issues still exist. Regardless of what people say, they just don't use, or should i say "abuse", the device enough.
That said, my phone has never overheated and switched off.
The camera leaves a bit to be desired. Choppy framerate and noise are the norm in picture mode but video is smooth and clear.
Boomsound is what sells this phone. It hasn't been beaten to this day for quality.
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The only thing that bothers me about the camera is the lack of OIS.

Easiest way to put it if you want sense get a M8 if you don't get a 6P..

shivadow said:
The heat issues still exist. Regardless of what people say, they just don't use, or should i say "abuse", the device enough.
That said, my phone has never overheated and switched off.
The camera leaves a bit to be desired. Choppy framerate and noise are the norm in picture mode but video is smooth and clear.
Boomsound is what sells this phone. It hasn't been beaten to this day for quality.
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What do you mean by abuse ?

liam_davenport said:
Easiest way to put it if you want sense get a M8 if you don't get a 6P..
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Would you recommend the M8 over the M9 even when they are att the same price level? I have a M8 myself today but I'm thinking about upgrading a family member from One S to a M9. At least here in my area they are about the same price (M8 16 GB vs M9 32 GB).

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Would you recommend the M8 over the M9 even when they are att the same price level? I have a M8 myself today but I'm thinking about upgrading a family member from One S to a M9. At least here in my area they are about the same price (M8 16 GB vs M9 32 GB).
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M8 is an amazing device, but M9 sucks period it's my biggest regret in life won't buy a HTC device after this if you want an expensive heater and device with no support for months then go for it 401 variant didn't get an update since July last year... we just got the MM update and it still had it's issues, I've had lots of build quality issues, saw other people with the same issues and even people on xda who're on their 3rd+ M9 camera software sucks the sensor is great but you just can't get a good picture from it, I replaced my M9 with an Nexus 6 and never looked back now just got a nexus 6P and it blew me away how great is it if that device is an option for you go for that you won't be disappointed To me the M9 feels like a mid-range with flagship pricing

Another +1 for the 6P honestly don't bother with the M9, I'm an HTC guy through and through, look at my signature for device history. The M8 was my favourite device to date, fantastic battery life, blazing performance, decent cameras (especially in low light). The M7 was also pretty amazing but the M9 in my opinion is a downgrade from the M8, camera in any low light situations is absolutely awful, battery life is poor, got far less SOT with the M9 than I did with the M8. I really hope the M10 is decent because HTC can't afford another release like the M9. The software support has gone down hill with the M9 too, they updated the M8 quite consistently but the M9 took forever to get marshmallow! I had the nexus 4 a few years ago and went straight back to HTC because I missed sense, I missed the features, (stock android wasn't as polished back then). Absolutely love my 6P, first non HTC phone I've owned in years and it's slowly becoming my favourite all time device, camera is fantastic, low light performance is incredible! Battery life is also very impressive, the device is obviously a lot bigger so consider if a phablet is going to be a comfortable size for you but if size isn't an issue I'd chose the 6P anyday of the week. Had the M9 from launch up until November so in that time I put it through its paces! Although a small feature, the finger print sensor is a fantastic little piece of hardware, it's so much faster than unlocking with a code or pattern. The thing is, the M9 isn't a bad phone, but considering the fact its a HTC & was released in 2015 I was expecting so much more!

Thanks I own now two devices and i will pick M9 anytime. 6p microphone sound so so weak comparing to M9 and stereo speakers more clear on M9 HANDS DOWN!

HTC 10 or LG V20?

Hi everyone,
I need some advices. I have to buy a new smartphone, I had an LG G4 before but got the well known bootloop issue. It was 6 months ago.
Since then, didn't buy anything but really need one right now. So I have to choose between 2 devices: HTC 10 or LG V20. It's almost the same price.
I was an huge HTC Fan but got a lot of problems with their after sale services with my M8 and Desire Eye.
For LG, I'm really afraid of another bootloop issue with this V20.
I didn't find any comparison between these 2 flagships but I have a lot of questions.
First of all, on the video recording. On some YouTube videos, OIS on HTC 10 seems better than V20. Sounds recording seems great(if not better) also on HTC 10, or am I wrong? I really loved manual control on my previous G4 and glad that V20 got that on video recording, but is this really an advantage with this awful shaky OIS?(I hate the one on G4 and it's look like the same)
Secondly, the battery lifetime: on some reviews, I saw that V20 endurance was not so good, but how about the HTC 10?
And finally, on the headphone output: Is there an huge difference between the HTC 10 and LG V20? DAC or QuadDAC? Didn't find any comparison...
It's very hard for me to choose, it will be my daily smartphone for the next 2~3 years so I don't want to make a mistake. I love the 5.7" LG's big screen and removable battery but still love and really want to come back on HTC brand, Ultrapixel Camera render and Sense. Don't want to go for a Galaxy device....
So, if you had to choose between these 2, which one would you take and why? I'm waiting for your help and reply and thank you in advance.

1.heard some v20 user still had bootloop, but just a few
2. Photo quality is much better for HTC10, the V20 is really bad
3. Dunno about about audio quality on v20, but it said the quad DAC just upscale anything and not work in some case, at least HTC10 with the hi res headset are not bad too.
4. HTC 10 firmware make me feel it just beta quality, and if you use LG, Samsung, Nexus before you will say what the hell HTC still doing stupid things, such as very bad NFC card reading, VOLTE suddenly disappear, no RGB notification LED which can't customizable, bluetooth disconnect, not bright enough screen under sun. I can go for a long list what I hate on the 10.
I switch from Nexus 5 which had broken, so at that time I can only choose from Note 7, Pixel, 10, V20. pixel don't have OIS, V20 bad photo quality, Note 7 explosion, so I am force to choose 10 in terms for better photo quality.
If you really need a phone right now I will suggest get S8,or anything cheap such as MI and one plus. The soon release mi 6 is cheap and got 835, 6gb ram, but no ,3.5mm and only 1080p.

DummyPLUG said:
1.heard some v20 user still had bootloop, but just a few
2. Photo quality is much better for HTC10, the V20 is really bad
3. Dunno about about audio quality on v20, but it said the quad DAC just upscale anything and not work in some case, at least HTC10 with the hi res headset are not bad too.
4. HTC 10 firmware make me feel it just beta quality, and if you use LG, Samsung, Nexus before you will say what the hell HTC still doing stupid things, such as very bad NFC card reading, VOLTE suddenly disappear, no RGB notification LED which can't customizable, bluetooth disconnect, not bright enough screen under sun. I can go for a long list what I hate on the 10.
I switch from Nexus 5 which had broken, so at that time I can only choose from Note 7, Pixel, 10, V20. pixel don't have OIS, V20 bad photo quality, Note 7 explosion, so I am force to choose 10 in team for better photo quality.
If you really need a phone right now I will suggest get S8,or anything cheap such as MI and one plus. The soon release mi 6 is cheap and got 835, 6gb ram, but no ,3.5mm and only 1080p.
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Thanks for the reply, S8 is a beast but it's so expansive. I found an One Plus 3T at almost the same price as HTC 10 and V20 but didn't really think about it. Is it a good one? And also have a look on Huawei P10.

jetjay said:
Thanks for the reply, S8 is a beast but it's so expansive. I found an One Plus 3T at almost the same price as HTC 10 and V20 but didn't really think about it. Is it a good one? And also have a look on Huawei P10.
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It is a tough choice for 10 between 3T, for V20 I will not consider as I am afraid of if any bootloop issue in future and bad photo quality.
3T had touch screen lag problem, just fix in recent firmware but dunno how good it is. P10 totally against it, 1. it use 3 different kind of flash, from very slow to super fast, it like a lucky draw, 2. it lack of oleophobic coating, what the hell a modern smartphone lack of this? 3. CPU still not good enough for a flagship device
if you will flash custom rom then htc 10 is a good one, consider the hardware not so bad (except the nfc and weaker wifi reception).
If you go for 10, check the screen, it either Sharp panel or Tianma panel, talk about color accuracy (sRGB) the Tianma is better, but the Sharp panel is a little bit brighter and wider view angel, but will have some visible line on it. google the different before choose.
Actually the 10 will be my last HTC device, I can't understand how come they still can't fix the volte issue. I also have some app incompatible issue but not on my wife s7 edge.
p.s. It can't tell it is which panel until you look at the screen.

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It is a tough choice for 10 between 3T, for V20 I will not consider as I am afraid of if any bootloop issue in future and bad photo quality.
3T had touch screen lag problem, just fix in recent firmware but dunno how good it is. P10 totally against it, 1. it use 3 different kind of flash, from very slow to super fast, it like a lucky draw, 2. it lack of oleophobic coating, what the hell a modern smartphone lack of this? 3. CPU still not good enough for a flagship device
if you will flash custom rom then htc 10 is a good one, consider the hardware not so bad (except the nfc and weaker wifi reception).
If you go for 10, check the screen, it either Sharp panel or Tianma panel, talk about color accuracy (sRGB) the Tianma is better, but the Sharp panel is a little bit brighter and wider view angel, but will have some visible line on it. google the different before choose.
Actually the 10 will be my last HTC device, I can't understand how come they still can't fix the volte issue. I also have some app incompatible issue but not on my wife s7 edge.
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Ok, thanks a lot for taking time to answer me. I think I’ll go for the HTC 10, it was my first choice and I think I won’t be disappointed with.

only reason to choose the V20 over the 10 is if sound quality is one of the top 3 features you want from a smartphone. That said, if you don't have, or don't plan on getting, great headphones then the V20's sound quality advantage becomes irrelevant. The 10's DAC is great and is at the top in comparison to other smartphones, but isn't quite on par with the V20. In all other aspects though the 10 is a better smartphone

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jetjay said:
Ok, thanks a lot for taking time to answer me. I think I’ll go for the HTC 10, it was my first choice and I think I won’t be disappointed with.
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I just want to share my opinion about HTC 10.
HTC was once my favourite smartphone company, because of its audio quality and UI design. I used HTC one m7 for almost 4 years without any major issues and finally bought HTC 10 on November 2016, The performance was good and Camera is also good but not the best, galaxy s7 edge has better camera. but still audio recording and sound quality was top class. I updated to nougat on january end and it was working perfectly for about a month. however my faith in HTC has got down not long ago, ever since my HTC 10 became useless on the account of bootloop issue on february 2016.
I bought the device from another country and warranty is available only in that country, anyhow i had sent it for replacement and one of my friend who was in HTC service centre told me that he had seen 12 other HTC 10 phones sent for similar bootloop problems.
I'am waiting for the replacement of my HTC 10 for one n half months. When I recieve the device, first thing i'm gonna do probably is sell it !

You tell me: lamborghini or bicycle?

ali nz said:
You tell me: lamborghini or bicycle?
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lamborghini = HTC....... bicycle = LG V20

And what do you think about the brand-new LG G6? Did you heard something bad or weird about that one?
In my country I could find it for 599 euros right now, one month ago it was 750 !!!! what's happened? Bootloop again ?

jetjay said:
And what do you think about the brand-new LG G6? Did you heard something bad or weird about that one?
In my country I could find it for 599 euros right now, one month ago it was 750 !!!! what's happened? Bootloop again ?
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it's said that after s8 launch they dropped the price to sell more or so. the phone looks okay, but i'm not pleased with LG and Samsung

jetjay said:
And what do you think about the brand-new LG G6? Did you heard something bad or weird about that one?
In my country I could find it for 599 euros right now, one month ago it was 750 !!!! what's happened? Bootloop again ?
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because outdated CPU + camera sensor, same as HTC U ultra
and for G6 you will not receive the full spec unless you get the US or korea version, as I know US got wireless charge and Korea + some asia country got qual dac, feel weird?
p.s. the HTC U ultra sapphire limited edition give a large discount even when pre order to make it cheaper then S8 in my region

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only reason to choose the V20 over the 10 is if sound quality is one of the top 3 features you want from a smartphone. That said, if you don't have, or don't plan on getting, great headphones then the V20's sound quality advantage becomes irrelevant. The 10's DAC is great and is at the top in comparison to other smartphones, but isn't quite on par with the V20. In all other aspects though the 10 is a better smartphone
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As a music producer and audiophile, I totally agree. The V20 has made strides in mobile DACs and audio processing in terms of handling impedance and super low noise floor; needles to say it drives my HD 650's pretty well. I don't know if I would agree with the above statements on camera quality... it takes great pictures. I will say that the one thing that irks me about the phone is its UI. At times, it handles multiple applications well, and other times having a few music applications open as well as messenger applications is enough to frustrate me. Not exactly sure what causes it but considering a re-flash soon. I just don't want to risk loosing my DAC upon install of a new rom.

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And what do you think about the brand-new LG G6? Did you heard something bad or weird about that one?
In my country I could find it for 599 euros right now, one month ago it was 750 !!!! what's happened? Bootloop again ?
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Ian6930087 said:
As a music producer and audiophile, I totally agree. The V20 has made strides in mobile DACs and audio processing in terms of handling impedance and super low noise floor; needles to say it drives my HD 650's pretty well. I don't know if I would agree with the above statements on camera quality... it takes great pictures. I will say that the one thing that irks me about the phone is its UI. At times, it handles multiple applications well, and other times having a few music applications open as well as messenger applications is enough to frustrate me. Not exactly sure what causes it but considering a re-flash soon. I just don't want to risk loosing my DAC upon install of a new rom.
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I don't have a ton of experience with LG's UI, but it seems to be almost as lightweight as Sense 8. A major problem with a stock version of Sense 8 is that HTC sets it's kernel parameters to be way too conservative which causes hiccups similar to what you describe on your LG. So it's possible the same thing is happening.
I did some reading on the V20 forums and noticed some saying the Lineage based ROMs still sounded great. None of them had any HD 650s, but, as I'm sure you know, audio "quality" is highly subjective so it might sound degraded to your ears. I'd try it and if the audio sounds worse just go back to stock.

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I don't have a ton of experience with LG's UI, but it seems to be almost as lightweight as Sense 8. A major problem with a stock version of Sense 8 is that HTC sets it's kernel parameters to be way too conservative which causes hiccups similar to what you describe on your LG. So it's possible the same thing is happening.
I did some reading on the V20 forums and noticed some saying the Lineage based ROMs still sounded great. None of them had any HD 650s, but, as I'm sure you know, audio "quality" is highly subjective so it might sound degraded to your ears. I'd try it and if the audio sounds worse just go back to stock.
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Alright I'd be willing to try that! My only problem is I've always had issues reverting to stock after a flash. My Evo from back in the day was the worst at that.

Ian6930087 said:
Alright I'd be willing to try that! My only problem is I've always had issues reverting to stock after a flash. My Evo from back in the day was the worst at that.
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All you'd have to do is make a full backup in TWRP before you flash a rom. Then if you don't like the rom just restore from TWRP

Anyone used both pixel xl and pixel 2 XL thoughts please?

Has anyone used both, any real life differences between the 2 phones. Currently have a pixel xl and it's been a smooth experience so now wandering how much more better the new pixel xl 2 would be.

Bluetooth is a huge improvement. Pixel XL Bluetooth just sucks, very broken.
Screen is a decent size increase which I really like. Black crush is a little worse but liveable. Off angle blue exists but is liveable.
Battery life is amazing.
Stereo front facing speakers are nice.
Camera keeps getting better.
Fastest phone I've ever used.

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Bluetooth is a huge improvement. Pixel XL Bluetooth just sucks, very broken.
Screen is a decent size increase which I really like. Black crush is a little worse but liveable. Off angle blue exists but is liveable.
Battery life is amazing.
Stereo front facing speakers are nice.
Camera keeps getting better.
Fastest phone I've ever used.
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Thanks have you tried the oneplus 5t?

marvi0 said:
Thanks have you tried the oneplus 5t?
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Was mildly interested, but I don't like their track record of software updates plus recent missing crypto libraries and discoveries of old software versions in current 8 release. Tells me there are shortcuts under the hood.
You should check out the HTC U11+ though. It was almost the Pixel 2 XL. Great hardware but won't be in US. No clue what HTC software is like these days though, I just recently started browsing them.

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Was mildly interested, but I don't like their track record of software updates plus recent missing crypto libraries and discoveries of old software versions in current 8 release. Tells me there are shortcuts under the hood.
You should check out the HTC U11+ though. It was almost the Pixel 2 XL. Great hardware but won't be in US. No clue what HTC software is like these days though, I just recently started browsing them.
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Hmm just watched a bunch of videos on YouTube and the multi tasking on the pixel xl 2 appears terrible is that still the case?
Yes the HTC u11 + looks amazing but the company appears to be in trouble.

marvi0 said:
Hmm just watched a bunch of videos on YouTube and the multi tasking on the pixel xl 2 appears terrible is that still the case?
Yes the HTC u11 + looks amazing but the company appears to be in trouble.
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Not that I have ever seen. I even set animation scales to .5 and it still doesn't stutter switching between apps, just goes faster.
HTC has been "in trouble" for years. Business decisions it seems, by all accounts the flagships have been really good for past three years. Just so has everyone else too.
Course everyone says Samsung has fixed their lag issues this/last year. Not sure I believe it but I might at least try one in 18'.

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Was mildly interested, but I don't like their track record of software updates plus recent missing crypto libraries and discoveries of old software versions in current 8 release. Tells me there are shortcuts under the hood.
You should check out the HTC U11+ though. It was almost the Pixel 2 XL. Great hardware but won't be in US. No clue what HTC software is like these days though, I just recently started browsing them.
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Wasn't aware that oneplus was behind the curve in software updates. I found the opposite to be true, especially when beta releases were offered in two flavors (h20 and 02). Not to mention any weakness in the official release we're more than offset with a vibrant dev community.
But then again I was only actively monitoring the oneplus forums during their oneplus 2 and 3 product cycles.
Are things different now?
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Wasn't aware that oneplus was behind the curve in software updates. I found the opposite to be true, especially when beta releases were offered in two flavors (h20 and 02). Not to mention any weakness in the official release we're more than offset with a vibrant dev community.
But then again I was only actively monitoring the oneplus forums during their oneplus 2 and 3 product cycles.
Are things different now?
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It's not that they are behind(which would be fine), but that details get missed like they are rushed (bad). I can't find the thread about nougat libraries or something still present in Oreo, likely not a big deal anyway but why?
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...ng-for-netflix-google-play-movies-etc.704333/
https://www.androidauthority.com/oneplus-project-treble-support-820825/
I'm with them on this one, there is a solid history of partition changes messing up phones.
Anyway my interests moved on and I've never touched a OnePlus, try it is you want.

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Was mildly interested, but I don't like their track record of software updates plus recent missing crypto libraries and discoveries of old software versions in current 8 release. Tells me there are shortcuts under the hood.
You should check out the HTC U11+ though. It was almost the Pixel 2 XL. Great hardware but won't be in US. No clue what HTC software is like these days though, I just recently started browsing them.
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I have a U11 great device but the software sucks very buggy and slow updates. Paying for the camera only

liam_davenport said:
I have a U11 great device but the software sucks very buggy and slow updates. Paying for the camera only
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Well that's not what I wanted to hear. Buggy how?

I think at the moment if price isn't an issue the oneplus in spite of all the shody bussiness they get up to is a much better device. The headphone jack, the extra ram makes it a very worthwhile contender indeed.

liam_davenport said:
I have a U11 great device but the software sucks very buggy and slow updates. Paying for the camera only
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Well that's not what I wanted to hear. Buggy how?
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I wanted a U11 bad until after hearing about how fragile the build of the phone is & the horror stories from owners who had to send in their phones to HTC for repairs & not getting them back until months later. No thanks! [emoji1496]*
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