So, as I understand. This phone works similarly in the way the Moto G did in the sense that the Firmware and the actual ROM are seperate?
firmware controlling things in the background and the ROM being front and center?
Theoretically speaking, I could run Lineage 14.1 with HTC MM Firmware AND Nougat firmware? (Obviously not at the same time)
Only reason I ask is I come from a G3 which requires TWRP and all roms to be "Bumped" so things are a bit different (No bootloader unlock)
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So, as I understand. This phone works similarly in the way the Moto G did in the sense that the Firmware and the actual ROM are seperate?
firmware controlling things in the background and the ROM being front and center?
Theoretically speaking, I could run Lineage 14.1 with HTC MM Firmware AND Nougat firmware? (Obviously not at the same time)
Only reason I ask is I come from a G3 which requires TWRP and all roms to be "Bumped" so things are a bit different (No bootloader unlock)
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If you read the LOS installation instructions you see that it support both MM and N. Supported firmware depends on the rom, though many roms will ask you during installation which firmware you're running and support both.
Tarima said:
If you read the LOS installation instructions you see that it support both MM and N. Supported firmware depends on the rom, though many roms will ask you during installation which firmware you're running and support both.
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So what are the advantages/disadvantages of using either mm or nougat firmwares? Do they effect anything realistically?
johnnzey said:
So what are the advantages/disadvantages of using either mm or nougat firmwares? Do they effect anything realistically?
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Nougat firmware could have more advanced radios for improved signal.
A caution: don't mix Marshmallow and Nougat firmware bits, such as aboot.
I did that and ruined a perfectly good Ten.
michaelbsheldon said:
Nougat firmware could have more advanced radios for improved signal.
A caution: don't mix Marshmallow and Nougat firmware bits, such as aboot.
I did that and ruined a perfectly good Ten.
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So like flashing a marshmallow aboot to a nougat firmware?
If so I wont even be bothering with that stuff.
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So what are the advantages/disadvantages of using either mm or nougat firmwares? Do they effect anything realistically?
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The Nougat update gave a performance boost.
And staying up to date with firmware is always a good idea. Google is releasing monthly security updates now.
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Q: what is the difference between RETASIA, RETIN and RETAIL versions of Firmwares for Moto Z Play. Which one is particularly for Indian Moto Z Play?
[Request]: Please somebody upload official stock Nougat 7.0 Firmware of Moto Z Play for Indian version (RETASIA/RETIN)? There is a 7.0 RETAIL firmware version for Moto Z Play https://mirrors.lolinet.com/firmware/moto/addison/official/RETAIL/XT1635-02_ADDISON_7.0_NPNS25.137-24-1-4_cid50_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip but I doubt that it is not official for India. So please upload stock Nougat 7.0 for Indian version (RETIN/RETASIA) Moto Z Play.
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Q: what is the difference between RETASIA, RETIN and RETAIL versions of Firmwares for Moto Z Play. Which one is particularly for Indian Moto Z Play?
[Request]: Please somebody upload official stock Nougat 7.0 Firmware of Moto Z Play for Indian version (RETASIA/RETIN)? There is a 7.0 RETAIL firmware version for Moto Z Play https://mirrors.lolinet.com/firmwar...ubsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip but I doubt that it is not official for India. So please upload stock Nougat 7.0 for Indian version (RETIN/RETASIA) Moto Z Play.
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RETIN and RETASIA ...both are same .... I've tested both ...no difference ....but baseband is different ..works fine
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RETIN and RETASIA ...both are same .... I've tested both ...no difference ....but baseband is different ..works fine
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Baseband is the important part of the Firmware. As you say that they have different basebands. So which baseband version (RETASIA or RETAIL) is for Indian Moto Z Play?
Nobody is telling the exact difference between RETASIA, RETIN and RETAIL versions of Firmwares for Moto Z Play.
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Baseband is the important part of the Firmware. As you say that they have different basebands. So which baseband version (RETASIA or RETAIL) is for Indian Moto Z Play?
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Both works fine .... I've tested ...no issues at all
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Both works fine .... I've tested ...no issues at all
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Can you tell me what is RETIN - Software Channel and how is different from RETASIA?
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RETIN and RETASIA ...both are same .... I've tested both ...no difference ....but baseband is different ..works fine
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But there is no RETIN firmware for Moto Z Play. There are only two types of version for Indian Moto Z Play i.e., RETASIA and RETAIL. As you said you have checked the RETASIA version but what about the RETAIL version firmware for Indian Moto Z Play?
And why are you talking about RETIN? Do you type RETIN mistakenly instead RETAIL? And If not then where you find it? I can not find it anywhere?
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But there is no RETIN firmware for Moto Z Play. There are only two types of version for Indian Moto Z Play i.e., RETASIA and RETAIL. As you said you have checked the RETASIA version but what about the RETAIL version firmware for Indian Moto Z Play?
And why are you talking about RETIN? Do you type RETIN mistakenly instead RETAIL? And If not then where you find it? I can not find it anywhere?
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Yeah it's typo
There is nothing RETIN like thing .... RET means retail and IN means India
You will only find two firmwares RETAIL and RETASIA
I've tested both ...and works fine ...on both ROM you will get OTA update
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Yeah it's typo
There is nothing RETIN like thing .... RET means retail and IN means India
You will only find two firmwares RETAIL and RETASIA
I've tested both ...and works fine ...on both ROM you will get OTA update
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Why my Moto Z Play become bit laggy after unlocking my bootloader? I am on stock Indian Nougat 7.0 ROM (latest updated March security patch) and have installed twrp recovery and Magisk Systemless root v12 without messing any system file/partition. Mobile seems little laggy/jerky sometimes in settings and apps. This problem was not before the unlocking bootloader and installing twrp recovery and Magisk systemless Root. I have also factory reset the mobile and also wipe the Dalvik cache, cache and Data through twrp recovery. But I didn't get any improvement then I reflash stock nougat rom. But the problem of laggyness/jerkyness still existed. What should I do? Any fix or any suggestion?
And please also tell me does most of the android phones get laggy after unlocking the bootloader or after installing the Root?
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Why my Moto Z Play become bit laggy after unlocking my bootloader? I am on stock Indian Nougat 7.0 ROM (latest updated March security patch) and have installed twrp recovery and Magisk Systemless root v12 without messing any system file/partition. Mobile seems little laggy/jerky sometimes in settings and apps. This problem was not before the unlocking bootloader and installing twrp recovery and Magisk systemless Root. I have also factory reset the mobile and also wipe the Dalvik cache, cache and Data through twrp recovery. But I didn't get any improvement then I reflash stock nougat rom. But the problem of laggyness/jerkyness still existed. What should I do? Any fix or any suggestion?
And please also tell me does most of the android phones get laggy after unlocking the bootloader or after installing the Root?
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It's strange , I haven't faced any issues like yours on any ROM with SuperSU or magisk
Have tried flashing stock ROM with stock recovery ?
You can get from here [1]
I haven't tested 7 ( nougat ) from this link ...so i suggest you to flash 6 (mm) and get nougat through OTA
[1] https://mirrors.lolinet.com/firmware/moto/addison/official/RETAIL/
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It's strange , I haven't faced any issues like yours on any ROM with SuperSU or magisk
Have tried flashing stock ROM with stock recovery ?
You can get from here [1]
[1] https://mirrors.lolinet.com/firmware/moto/addison/official/RETAIL/
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Q1. Yes I have installed the stock Nougat Rom (RETAIL version) with stock recovery but I still get laggy experince some times especially with jerky/laggy status bar and toggles.
Q2. And also please tell me that during installing stock nougat ROM, should I completely install all the files in zip like bootloader and modem files etc or just install system files, recovery,boot.img, without touching any modem files & bootloader?
Q3. Currently I am on stock nougat 7.0 Indian Rom, so please tell me 100% accurate safe method (adb commands) to install RETAIL nougat stock Rom.
(Please read all questions and give all answers step-by-step. And please give complete answers. Please, No short answers. I Will be very thankful to you for your help.)
Hey, Mate, I got lags on stock nougat even without root and twrp.
I really doubt that systemless root is to blame here, and definitely not TWRP, since there is no possible way it can affect system performance.
karmacoma7 said:
Hey, Mate, I got lags on stock nougat even without root and twrp.
I really doubt that systemless root is to blame here, and definitely not TWRP, since there is no possible way it can affect system performance.
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I have edited the build.prop to enable the miracast by removing just the # from the line and also edit hosts by adaway. Can it effect?
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I have edited the build.prop to enable the miracast by removing just the # from the line and also edit hosts by adawat. Can it effect?
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No
jatinkhatri said:
It's strange , I haven't faced any issues like yours on any ROM with SuperSU or magisk
Have tried flashing stock ROM with stock recovery ?
You can get from here [1]
I haven't tested 7 ( nougat ) from this link ...so i suggest you to flash 6 (mm) and get nougat through OTA
[1] https://mirrors.lolinet.com/firmware/moto/addison/official/RETAIL/
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Q1. Yes I have installed the stock Nougat Rom (RETAIL version) with stock recovery but I still get laggy experince some times especially with jerky/laggy status bar and toggles.
Q2. And also please tell me that during reinstalling the stock nougat ROM, should I completely install all the files in zip including bootloader and modem files etc or just i should install system chunk files, recovery & boot.img, without touching any modem files & bootloader?
Q3. Currently I am on stock nougat 7.0 Indian Rom, so please tell me 100% accurate safe method (adb commands) to install RETAIL Nougat 7.0 stock Rom.
(Please read all questions and give all answers step-by-step. And please give complete answers. Please, No short answers. I Will be very thankful to you for your help.)
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You have not give the answer to my question. Please give proper complete answer.
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You have not give the answer to my question. Please give proper complete answer.
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How about searching for that info on your own instead of waiting for someone to come hold your hand and do it for you?
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You have not give the answer to my question. Please give proper complete answer.
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I'm out of station ...it's weekend.
It's so hard to type long stories on mobile phones ....
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I'm out of station ...it's weekend.
It's so hard to type long stories on mobile phones ....
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Ok when you go to home then give all answers to my questions. Thanks in advance. By the way, are you a software engineer?
Hey guys!
I have upgraded to oreo a while ago, but battery doesnt seem to be as good as on nougat. I looked up a few posts but i am not sure which one to believe. Is there a good method on how to go back to nougat?
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Hey guys!
I have upgraded to oreo a while ago, but battery doesnt seem to be as good as on nougat. I looked up a few posts but i am not sure which one to believe. Is there a good method on how to go back to nougat?
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I don't see the difficulty, flash whole nougat oos, or for a custom ROM flash a Nougat firmware + custom ROM.
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I don't see the difficulty, flash whole nougat oos, or for a custom ROM flash a Nougat firmware + custom ROM.
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I thought i have to take care to select right twrp and have to do stuff, but i think ill just flash latest nougat firmware + full stock rom + twrp, and then my custom roms?
pidl said:
I thought i have to take care to select right twrp and have to do stuff, but i think ill just flash latest nougat firmware + full stock rom + twrp, and then my custom roms?
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Latest TWRP, always
If you flash full Nougat OOS ROM no need to flash firmware
Striatum_bdr said:
Latest TWRP, always
If you flash full Nougat OOS ROM no need to flash firmware
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Latest twrp ? I thought the latest is for oreo only?
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Latest twrp ? I thought the latest is for oreo only?
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Where did you read ONLY? It's Oreo compatible. That's all. By definition a software is backward compatible except if expressly specified in changelog. Which is not the case here.
You've got all you need. Experiment now.
Hi I am running a Nougat Rom that I am happy with for the moment but was wondering if it would be advisable to update to the new firmware anyway? Can you run a Nougat rom on the Oreo firmware and is there any benefit of doing so?
Thanks
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Hi I am running a Nougat Rom that I am happy with for the moment but was wondering if it would be advisable to update to the new firmware anyway? Can you run a Nougat rom on the Oreo firmware and is there any benefit of doing so?
Thanks
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No you can't run a nougat rom on a oreo firmware.
Oreo firmware is for Oreo ROM, and currently there is no downgrading again.If you are staying on Nougat, DO NOT upgrade the firmware.
what about using asop oreo rom ???
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what about using asop oreo rom ???
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Just don't update if you don't need to. If you want to use OREO roms you update otherwise stay on nougat. Don't mess with the firmware if you don't need to.
if iam in oreo rom and then want install custom rom etc sundream rom basically nougat rom, must install nougat firmware too?
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if iam in oreo rom and then want install custom rom etc sundream rom basically nougat rom, must install nougat firmware too?
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Yes.
Mr Hofs said:
Yes.
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yesterday installing nougat rom without installing nougat firmware.everything is okay except no setting for fingerprint and unusable
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yesterday installing nougat rom without installing nougat firmware.everything is okay except no setting for fingerprint and unusable
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Issues will occur indeed, keep firmware and roms matched
I have updated to oreo but the phone has terrible battery life even after trying to disable some wakelocks , using greenify , forcing doze etc. I was wondering if I could flash lineage os or let's say resurrection remix on the phone while it has oreo firmware .
I also would like to know
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I have updated to oreo but the phone has terrible battery life even after trying to disable some wakelocks , using greenify , forcing doze etc. I was wondering if I could flash lineage os or let's say resurrection remix on the phone while it has oreo firmware .
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I also would like to know
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Of course custom roms can be flashed after stock Oreo update.
BUT:
You need to read the requirements in the thread for the specific rom you wish to flash.
There is no single answer for all cases/roms.
Each rom is going to be different, based on whatever blobs were used during rom compilation.
If the rom was built using Oreo blobs, then Oreo firmware is required.
If the rom was compiled using Nougat blobs, then it would require Nougat firmware, despite the actual version of android it is...
So...., read the OP of the thread for the rom you want to flash.
If that doesn't answer your question, then read the last 5-10 pages of the thread.
Still no answer found, then ask in that particular rom thread, what firmware is required.
It's actually pretty simple and typically requires a little reading.
(eventually, all Oreo based custom roms, should be using Oreo blobs and would then require Oreo firmware)
Things are in what I consider a transition phase currently....
TL;DR: LeeDroid 5+ is your only option ATM.
Hello. Tell me, how can I find out what my FW is installed? Oreo or Pie version... maybe there is even some kind of application for this?
It's in the About phone section in Settings dude
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It's in the About phone section in Settings dude
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No, it's not lol, android version is different from fw version.
I am on Pie firmware, can I flash with Oreo firmware so that I can go back to stock miui Oreo,
Presently I am using Pixel Rom latest.
im trying to update to https://osdn.net/projects/xiaomifir...miui_HMNote5Global_9.4.25_f7e0205e8c_9.0.zip/ this firmware. will it erase my data and internal storage
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I am on Pie firmware, can I flash with Oreo firmware so that I can go back to stock miui Oreo,
Presently I am using Pixel Rom latest.
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Yeah I have same question. Right now I'm on Pie FW just because of Pixel Experience ROM. I want to try Havoc OS but it's using Oreo FW. Is it possible to flash Oreo FW safely? And which variant? Just asking because I have ARB no. 4 and I'm little bit scared of brick. So anyone? Thanks
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Yeah I have same question. Right now I'm on Pie FW just because of Pixel Experience ROM. I want to try Havoc OS but it's using Oreo FW. Is it possible to flash Oreo FW safely? And which variant? Just asking because I have ARB no. 4 and I'm little bit scared of brick. So anyone? Thanks
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Yes, you can flash Oreo fw without brick. Just be sure to flash the latest Oreo fw.