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Oppo Find 7 or Sony Xperia Z1 LTE?

I'm on the fence between the two. The Oppo is nice and large like my LG Optimus G Pro but I've been eyeing the Sony Z1 LTE; solid aluminum/glass build. Honestly I'm a little tired of plastic phones.
The Oppo Find 7a is about $150 less than the Sony and has a quicker processor, etc. AHHH help me decide

Z1 LTE is old... Z2 is freaking awesome though. I REALLY want one.

Entropy512 said:
Z1 LTE is old... Z2 is freaking awesome though. I REALLY want one.
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QFE, seriously, why not the Z2? I was going to get one myself and nothing early adopters are saying about it scares me off since the overheating on video recording isn't something I'd run into as I almost never use the video camera. In the end I had someone waiting for my N5 as their phone was dead and I promised to give it to them as soon as either the Find 7 or the Z2 dropped and the 7A came first. I had been rooting for the other dog though...

The Z5 Premium or the Google Nexus 6P

I'm definitely leaning towards getting the Z5 Premium. But any reason to get the Nexus 6P instead? I need lots of storage, for my lossless music collection. And I'm familiar with Sony's Xperia overlay on Android since I've owned all the Z tablets (currently on the Z4 tablet). Both phones use the same SoC. The Z5 seems clearly better. Am I missing anything?

DaddyWhale said:
I'm definitely leaning towards getting the Z5 Premium. But any reason to get the Nexus 6P instead? I need lots of storage, for my lossless music collection. And I'm familiar with Sony's Xperia overlay on Android since I've owned all the Z tablets (currently on the Z4 tablet). Both phones use the same SoC. The Z5 seems clearly better. Am I missing anything?
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I'm also considering the Z5 (non premium). I guess the downside of the Sony is the non-stock Android and lack of Nexus-style updates. I've been on Nexus since the N4, so I think I'm very reluctant to switch, but I prefer the form factor and the fingerprint reader of the Z5. Hard decision to make!

what about the LG V10
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I'm also considering the Z5 (non premium). I guess the downside of the Sony is the non-stock Android and lack of Nexus-style updates. I've been on Nexus since the N4, so I think I'm very reluctant to switch, but I prefer the form factor and the fingerprint reader of the Z5. Hard decision to make!
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The Sony skin on stock Android is not bad. Not nearly as intrusive as TouchWiz on Samsung phones. Having learned more about each phone, I think I would definitely pick the Z5 over the 6P.
But today, LG announced there new phablet, the V10. It looks pretty terrific on paper! What I like about it is
1. It will get a US release (not sure about the Z5)
2. It has a microSD slot (same as the Z5, better than the 6P)
3. It has a 32 bit DAC on board
4. A small always-on second screen that can be used as a shortcuts bar
5. Built in 64GB of storage
6. 4GB of RAM

Another potential downside: the Z5 won't have Marshmallow (at least not right off the bat) and therefore might not have fingerprint integration with Google Play/Pay, etc. Not sure what Sony's record for software updates is either...

lmhrpr said:
Another potential downside: the Z5 won't have Marshmallow (at least not right off the bat) and therefore might not have fingerprint integration with Google Play/Pay, etc. Not sure what Sony's record for software updates is either...
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In my opinion and based on my experience with their tablets, Sony is pretty good about software updates. They certainly don't come out as fast as on Nexus devices. But it did not take them so long to update to 5.1.1.

i say:
if you cant afford a Xperia then Nexus is a perfect alternative due its price , specs and outstanding quality as well as performance..
however the 4K screen on a Xperia is epic, its sharpness is outstanding and every detail can be seen and for the camera its about the best I've ever seen from Sony.
BUT the nexus 5x and 6p are close behind so its up to what you prefer or can afford in my opinion.

im on the same boat. i have the Z3 and when they announced the Z5 I couldn't see myself not buying it. However, each device has its own ups and downs. On one hand you have the expensive Z5 with its amazing camera, battery life, and screen. Not to mention a MicroSD card slot which google failed to implement on the 6P. But on the other hand you have the 6P which has a great camera, pure android, and great development for it. However the lack of a microSD card slot is kinda of a deal breaker. If only Sony came out with a Z5 Premium (Google Play Edition) phone...

DaddyWhale said:
In my opinion and based on my experience with their tablets, Sony is pretty good about software updates. They certainly don't come out as fast as on Nexus devices. But it did not take them so long to update to 5.1.1.
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the update for 5.0 took 6 months for my Z3 with bell canada. I'm on android since 2010 and this will be my first nexus device.

warplane95 said:
the update for 5.0 took 6 months for my Z3 with bell canada. I'm on android since 2010 and this will be my first nexus device.
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Was your Z3 locked to a particular wireless company? An unlocked device (tablet in my case) may take less time.

the unlocked Z5 took 5 month.

warplane95 said:
the unlocked Z5 took 5 month.
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Yes as Marshmallow has totally come out for the Z5.

only in beta test.

DaddyWhale said:
I'm definitely leaning towards getting the Z5 Premium. But any reason to get the Nexus 6P instead? I need lots of storage, for my lossless music collection. And I'm familiar with Sony's Xperia overlay on Android since I've owned all the Z tablets (currently on the Z4 tablet). Both phones use the same SoC. The Z5 seems clearly better. Am I missing anything?
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Every one has their own kind of choice.I am a nexus and Samsung user.One thing i like about nexus devices is that the are running on pure android and are the first device to get the official updates.There are loads of ROM and Kernels available for Nexus devices.These are few reasons i always choose Nexus over a Sony.
But looking at your needs (Storage), i think you should buy Z5 premium.Now a days all phones are packed with high end specs, so performance will be top class.

DaddyWhale said:
I'm definitely leaning towards getting the Z5 Premium. But any reason to get the Nexus 6P instead? I need lots of storage, for my lossless music collection. And I'm familiar with Sony's Xperia overlay on Android since I've owned all the Z tablets (currently on the Z4 tablet). Both phones use the same SoC. The Z5 seems clearly better. Am I missing anything?
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I'm in the same doubt.
One important difference (for me) is the dual SIM feature.
Z5 have dual SIM (model E6833 LTE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20 & model E6883 LTE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 20, TD-LTE 38, 39, 40, 41), Unfortunately Nexus 6P not.
Cheers

I wonder how the battery life compares
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dieselhazza said:
I wonder how the battery life compares
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well we already know that sony beats nexus easily in battery life no comparisation needed !

migidid said:
well we already know that sony beats nexus easily in battery life no comparisation needed !
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Not fully true
Example:
Xperia Z2 is simular to Nexus 5 but xperia has a bigger battery yet nexus 5 gets about 8-9hrs SOT where as Z2 gets between 6-7hrs
Nexus phones have very good battery with later firmwares
(i still personally prefer xperia)
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I wonder how the battery life compares
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For me, Nexus is more for "experiment" for its upgrade from Google all the time and Xperia is more for "Daily Use".

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Xperia Z2 is simular to Nexus 5 but xperia has a bigger battery yet nexus 5 gets about 8-9hrs SOT where as Z2 gets between 6-7hrs
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You are wrong ! not saying N5 has a bad battery but Z2 has roughly 40% more capacity and about 1 and a half day battery life (without any power saving options) compared to N5 wich lasts almost a day...
Then if we put sonys power saving options on you get 1 more day of it... so thats about almost 2.5 days and that is really good... Even my Z1 lasts 2 days easily when strict power management is on...
So checked some info on webs and N5 gets about 4-6 hours and Z2 gets about 8-9 without power management and roughly 12h with battery management on...
here is some sources:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2741281
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus5/comments/2bxms8/whats_the_average_screen_on_time_you_guys_get/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile...e-worse-android-5-0-lollipop-according-tests/
https://www.androidpit.com/sony-xperia-z2-vs-google-nexus-5
http://phonerocket.com/smartphones/Sony-Xperia-Z2-vs-Google-Nexus-5

migidid said:
You are wrong ! not saying N5 has a bad battery but Z2 has roughly 40% more capacity and about 1 and a half day
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Im going off of what a freind has got as he bought a New Nexus 5 recently and was posting screenshots till he got a One plus one
typically his battery life was that or more of my Z2 however he was at first using 5.1 and later 6.0 marshmallow Dev Preview

New Phone

So I need a new phone. I'd like to get a phone that can last me 3-4 years. I'm not concerned about always having the latest, greatest version of Android. Battery life is critical. My Moto X (first generation) can barely make it a day now, no thanks to my own stupidity (I was applying what I knew of old NiCd batteries to Lithium ones, going 0-100, 100-0, etc.).
Please no flames, and no "my phone rulz, yours drools". I want data, thoughts, cogent arguements.
I've narrowed it down to 4 choices. The top two are the LG G4 and the OnePlus Two.
Here's the consideration. On Amazon I can get an unlocked G4 for $439. It doesn't come with a warranty so I'd have to buy one from Square Trade which would run me another $100. But, unlike the OPT, it has a removable battery. The question is, is it worth the extra $150 (difference in price + square trade warranty)? Or can I make the OPT battery last for 3-4 years with what I know now about lithium batteries?

Talking Motorola why not considering a Moto X Play?

I guess it would depend on how much you use your phone and how often you need to recharge. Lithium ion batteries will last 500-1000 charge cycles. If you're a heavy user, having a removable battery can make a difference in longevity.
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Talking Motorola why not considering a Moto X Play?
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The Play isn't available in the US (Yes, I know you can get the Droid Maxx 2 and it's virtually the same phone - but I want an unlocked phone). I've considered the Style but it's $50 more expensive than the OPT (for the 32 GB version) and lacks a removable battery. Almost the worst of both worlds!
I do like the Moto X experience, the near-stock Android and Moto Assist are pretty nice.

Apodidae said:
I guess it would depend on how much you use your phone and how often you need to recharge. Lithium ion batteries will last 500-1000 charge cycles. If you're a heavy user, having a removable battery can make a difference in longevity.
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I don't consider myself a heavy user - certainly don't play a lot of graphically intense games - but I was considering that if I got a phablet I could ditch my Asus TF201 for reading/note taking so it would be more heavily used than my current phone.

CrazyOkie said:
I don't consider myself a heavy user - certainly don't play a lot of graphically intense games - but I was considering that if I got a phablet I could ditch my Asus TF201 for reading/note taking so it would be more heavily used than my current phone.
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personally i'd take the oneplus 2 over a g4 any day but im tight on money so i take what i find a deal on (got my g4 for 90$).... my list would be...nexus 6p-op2-nexus 5x- moto style..g4...moto play... but once relased and avaible on ebay I'm getting a oneplus x or nexus 5x depending on price....i like the premium feel and smaller phone...tried of these big phones..

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personally i'd take the oneplus 2 over a g4 any day but im tight on money so i take what i find a deal on (got my g4 for 90$).... my list would be...nexus 6p-op2-nexus 5x- moto style..g4...moto play... but once relased and avaible on ebay I'm getting a oneplus x or nexus 5x depending on price....i like the premium feel and smaller phone...tried of these big phones..
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I thought about the OnePlus X but since it doesn't include all the LTE bands for AT&T or T-Mobile in the US, I'm leery. I live in a suburb and I'm on call once every six weeks so I need a phone that works.

For the foreseeable future, I would go with the Nexus 6P, so far it comes as one the very best Android phone of the year and you'll get timely updates with a large community.
I would prefer the G4 over the 1+2 because of the better camera but the 1+2 should have a better developers friendly environment than the G4.
That being said, in 3-4 years time, if you're not able to change the battery, you'll most likely have a sub-par battery life.
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kyogiro said:
For the foreseeable future, I would go with the Nexus 6P, so far it comes as one the very best Android phone of the year and you'll get timely updates with a large community.
I would prefer the G4 over the 1+2 because of the better camera but the 1+2 should have a better developers friendly environment than the G4.
That being said, in 3-4 years time, if you're not able to change the battery, you'll most likely have a sub-par battery life.
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I can live with it if it can last 3-4 years, by then I'd probably want a new phone anyway. Developer-friendly environment isn't that big a deal to me, I'm not big in modding my phone. The 1+2 looks like a better, more durable phone but I am concerned that I've seen a lot of posts about poor customer service. But you can look anywhere and see that with any phone. I would like a nicer camera but it's not a deal breaker. The Moto X has been okay, not spectacular like the 4S I had prior.
The 6P is nice but it is a little more than I want to pay and its such a huge phone. It is tempting to get the Nexus 6 (which is bigger, I know) and use that as a replacement for both my phone and tablet. And it's really cheap on Amazon right now, $400 for the 64GB version. Too many choices!

Xiaomi Mi Note or Motorola Droid Turbo

Looking to buy Moto Z Play. PLease help out with some queries.

Hi everyone,
I am looking to buy a new phone here in India and I am looking for a phone which will last me atleast 18-20 months from say January, 2017. I loved the battery stats of Moto Z PLay and since I dont game much on the phone apart from normal games and a Dead Trigger here and there, my priority is will the Snapdragon 625 processor be able to handle the upcoming apps and will its battery stay the same (approx) after 2 years or so.
I am a moderate user with social media, whats app and a bit of high net usage on wi-fi. Should I go for this or spend sme bucks more and buy OP3 or OP3T?
Thanks in advance!!!
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I was having the same debate - moto z play vs OP3T. I don't game at all, so the battery life + expandable storage trumps the top end performance and slightly better camera for me. Don't have it yet, but ordered a Z play yesterday. I'm seeing some pretty impressive battery numbers reported on the OP3T as well, so it's no slouch - solid for one day of heavy use
Dev support seems to be at about the same level on both devices at the moment, though if I had to guess, the OP3T will probably win out there in the end - only because in my experience most devs tend to purchase devices with higher end specs.

I've never been a big gamer but in normal everyday use the Z play is faster and smoother than my past few nexus phones. After using the phone for a few weeks the last thing I'm worried about is performance. Dropping it before I get a case is my biggest concern. Get a case or a bumper for this one

I would say go for the Z Play. I have had mine for over a month and it has truly impressed me. I have thought about exchanging for the regular Z but it's insane battery is not worth the extra performance I won't notice. The thing that impressed me most was even though I use it for intense games I have never noticed it struggle. It's mainly because the Z is such a well optimized phone. I think you will be very happy with your purchase.
Best regards

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I've never been a big gamer but in normal everyday use the Z play is faster and smoother than my past few nexus phones. After using the phone for a few weeks the last thing I'm worried about is performance. Dropping it before I get a case is my biggest concern. Get a case or a bumper for this one
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first things I do after buying new phone is case and screen protector. My current Xperia Z2 fell screen down, flat from a height of 4 and half feet and my heart stopped. Picked it up, nothing happened thanks to glass screen protector.
Anyways, the dual sim and sd card option is very attractive and though I wont even fill up the 64GB in OP3T, the spare parts avaialbility and after sale support of OP is dreadful. Till now, the lord of smartphones has been kind enough to keep me away from repair centers, but if it happens on OP, i will keep the phone (if I buy it) as a memento of the stupid decision to buy the damn phone.!!

@RealiZms... thanks a lot for the reply and help..

Bimmerpro said:
I would say go for the Z Play. I have had mine for over a month and it has truly impressed me. I have thought about exchanging for the regular Z but it's insane battery is not worth the extra performance I won't notice. The thing that impressed me most was even though I use it for intense games I have never noticed it struggle. It's mainly because the Z is such a well optimized phone. I think you will be very happy with your purchase.
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If it gives me even 3/4th the battery life and performance after 20 months times (talking abt the Z Play), I will be very happy. I was looking to buy the Moto G4 Plus, but the heating and ghost touch issues put me off. Will be going to check the handset out in a couple of days and will order it during the Christmas/New Year sale on Amazon or Flipkart (Local Indian e-commerce site).
The only thing keeping me from splurging on OP3/3T is the horror stories of after sales service. The lack of spare parts and other things have kept me away from buying even the OP2. Hope my choice of Z Play doesnt dissapoint me.
thanks for your reply and help, mate. :good: :good:

Good day bros.
I was asking the exact same question for the past week. Got rid of my Mi 5 due to its inability to make the NFC transit card work. Non-gamer mostly social media, surfing on my phone use. Was tempted by the great 'bang for the buck' offered by 3T, but I got the Z play in the end because, among other things, the one and only oneplus service centre in my country has closed down.
Not regretting it. No need to root, etc, everything NFC transport sim, fingerprint login with bank apps, Android Pay, it all just works. No hardcore gaming but regular apps work. No annoying china brand UI to deal with.
Oh and the battery life. Insane. I didn't even bring my USB-C wire to the office

Tried the Moto G Plus and returned it due to inadequate performance and ghost touch. Tried the Pixel XL but returned it because overpriced and not perfect. Tried the Moto Z Play and love it. Surprisingly haven't noticed any performance issues aside from the mediocre camera. The UI is very snappy. However the battery will change your life.

I got indian version of z play and let me tell ya, i play in it like a desktop (hardcore) and it gives me 8-9 hour battery. I download 80+GB from wifi each month. Its been 2 month i guess. I think Moto Z Play is the best smartphone within 30000₹ including future considerations.

I'm coming from an LG G3. Loved that phone, but tonight, it just died right in the middle of my using it. It's two years old and JUST went off contract. Took the latest update a few weeks ago and then my SD Card slot started acting flaky. So, I'm thinking this is all part of hardware failure and maybe the SD slot not working was the first sign.
Gaming wise, the G3 was awesome. I play games like Walking Dead No Man's Land, Game of War, Clash of Clans, and I do have games purchases like the GTA games. Does anyone have any idea how well this phone would work with those games? I can get this from VZW for $17/month which is cheaper than what my G3 was on the old contract ($40/month). Of course, after this month, my bill WOULD have dropped $20/month when the phone went off contract. Makes me wonder if VZW did this? lol
In any case, I've read reviews and even though the camera is 16mp as opposed to the 13mp I had on the G3, it sounds like the camera is the typical old Moto camera that ISN'T the best. But, I'm not a proffesional photographer. if it's good for just taking normal family pictures, etc, that's all I care.
Battery life is the big thing. I could get the G3 to last over a day with normal talk and text. But I also game, so I suck the life out the battery pretty quickly.
Any help you can provide if this would be a good replacement will be much appreciated. I've been with XDA for over 5 years ever since I got my first Android phone.
Thanks and I might be joining the family here if I do get this phone.
UPDATE: Starting today, VZW is having the Moto Z, Samsung Galaxy S7 and Google Pixel for $10/month with NO trade-in. So it looks like I'll be getting one of those. Just found out today while looking on their website.

catpunt said:
Tried the Moto G Plus and returned it due to inadequate performance and ghost touch. Tried the Pixel XL but returned it because overpriced and not perfect. Tried the Moto Z Play and love it. Surprisingly haven't noticed any performance issues aside from the mediocre camera. The UI is very snappy. However the battery will change your life.
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I actually dont use the camera much apart from clicking pics at family functions or outings. I dnt think I have even taken a selfie. the camera on Xperia Z2 was great, not only in terms of specs (21 mp and all), but the pics came out great. but if Moto Z Play's camera does what I have read, its adequate for me. If needed will buy a second hand DSLR.

abhilash_s_j said:
I got indian version of z play and let me tell ya, i play in it like a desktop (hardcore) and it gives me 8-9 hour battery. I download 80+GB from wifi each month. Its been 2 month i guess. I think Moto Z Play is the best smartphone within 30000₹ including future considerations.
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if it performs the way you said, I might have made a good decision in ordering Moto Z PLay from Flipkart. Only mistake I made was ordering the white one, when I wanted a black one. Well, same thing!!

Hi everyone who helped me in making this decision. I have ordered a Moto Z PLay (white....by mistake ) from Flipkart (indian e-commerce site).
I exchanged it for my old Xperia Z2 and got it for 15k INR or around 230 USD along with all discounts with credit cards and everything. will be delivered on boxing day and thankfully will be able to update on it in next few weeks.
Ciao!!

instigate666 said:
Hi everyone who helped me in making this decision. I have ordered a Moto Z PLay (white....by mistake ) from Flipkart (indian e-commerce site).
I exchanged it for my old Xperia Z2 and got it for 15k INR or around 230 USD along with all discounts with credit cards and everything. will be delivered on boxing day and thankfully will be able to update on it in next few weeks.
Ciao!!
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Apparently Flipkart is selling bad phones

abhilash_s_j said:
Apparently Flipkart is selling bad phones
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Bad phones, can you elaborate please?
If you are talking about OnePlus 3 fiasco, its their own doing, trying to get noticed by any means necessary.

instigate666 said:
Bad phones, can you elaborate please?
If you are talking about OnePlus 3 fiasco, its their own doing, trying to get noticed by any means necessary.
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Few Moto z play brought from it are missing its nano coating, had scratches, defective parts etc etc. That's why I brought from Amazon. Even review on z play in Flipkart is bad.

i am shocked many people say it doesn't support wireless display/mirroring/miracast . Is it true ?! And is it a good buy after htc one m8 gold (with the jbl mod) in performance/multitasking ?!

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i am shocked many people say it doesn't support wireless display/mirroring/miracast . Is it true ?! And is it a good buy after htc one m8 gold (with the jbl mod) in performance/multitasking ?!
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I got an LG 65" smart TV, a 55" Samsung smart TV and 52" Vizio Smart TV, MirrorLink to smart TV is not working with any of them. However you can use an application named AllCast from play store (it's a paid application, the free one gives you only 5 minutes of transmission time for free), with that application you will be able to mirror videos, pictures, power points, etc to the smart TV. You can't mirror the entire content from your phone to the smart TV, but that is good enough for me.
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abhilash_s_j said:
Few Moto z play brought from it are missing its nano coating, had scratches, defective parts etc etc. That's why I brought from Amazon. Even review on z play in Flipkart is bad.
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Okay...
But the phone has 4.0/5 on Amazon and 4.4/5 on Flipkart. But I got a great deal on it on so bought it. Anyways I have had good experiences with both e-commerce sites.

Worthy upgrade?

I have the Moto Z Play currently which I've been using for about 8 months and I need to upgrade to a proper 2017 flagship. Being a former OP owner I think the 5T is a no brainer choice. I know OnePlus will support it till Android P. Just wanna be reassured I'm making the right choice. Also it's costing me around 18-20k(~292$) in India after selling off my existing phone.

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I have the Moto Z Play currently which I've been using for about 8 months and I need to upgrade to a proper 2017 flagship. Being a former OP owner I think the 5T is a no brainer choice. I know OnePlus will support it till Android P. Just wanna be reassured I'm making the right choice. Also it's costing me around 18-20k(~292$) in India after selling off my existing phone.
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I actually have a Moto z play as well... Thinking about picking up the 5t...I LOVE the battery life on the Moto z play especially with my work schedule. I will have to sell my Moto z play and break about even for what I owe on it and then just pay cash for the 5t
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Do it and don't look back. The battery life is pretty good albeit not as good as the Z Play.
However it's an upgrade but probably not a huge one.