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Best S-Pen Apps in the Market

I did a search in the market for " S Penn" to see whats out there I really couldn't find much. What are some good apps the ones I found were flipaclip, picsay pro, and retouch....

wondercoolguy said:
I did a search in the market for " S Penn" to see whats out there I really couldn't find much. What are some good apps the ones I found were flipaclip, picsay pro, and retouch....
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Sketchbook Mobile is a nice one. Takes a little getting used to it though. I also like the Wacom Bamboo pad but for whatever reason it's now coming up as not compatible with the device.

more s-pen apps
Infinite Painter (S-note), Papyrus have proper S-pen support. Hope to see more good apps add support soon. I really like Papyrus, it is a very well designed notes app.
PhatPad and its companion WritePad are alternatives to Samsung keyboard and handwriting recognition, but far from great. The keyboard for Writepad is fuzzy, not up to par for the Note's hi-res screen. I used them on large phones & on tablets before I got the Note.
There are a few really good note apps, but so far they don't support the S-pen's pressure sensitivity, hoping they will soon: LectureNotes and Quill stand out in this category. For drawing & painting, also without pressure support try Sketchbook and Infinite Design.

@teandro: LectureNotes should actually support pressure sensitivity for all devices with S-pen running Android 4 or later, you can enabled it for all standard pencils in the app's input settings and individually for the custom pencils in the custom pencil settings.

How is Hancom Office compared with Office Suite 7 Pro

Hello, how is Hancom Office compared with Office Suite 7 Pro? Is Handcom better in all aspects?

HANCOM is better than everything in every respect. Seriously its 99% microsoft office down to all those neat options I never use. It even looks like office with drop down windows and everything
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Its the forst office suite for android that you could actually use for real work (with a bluetooth keyboard of course)
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HANCOM is better than everything in every respect. Seriously its 99% microsoft office down to all those neat options I never use. It even looks like office with drop down windows and everything
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Its the forst office suite for android that you could actually use for real work (with a bluetooth keyboard of course)
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Totally agree HANCOM is as close to Microsoft Office as it gets. IT IS GREAT!

i purchased the 7 pro probably like over a year. but now when i bought the pro 12.2 i didnt bother to install it because the HANCOM is freaking awesome! this is the reason why i returned the surface pro 2!

Hancom is better. Comparing it directly with Microsoft Office 2013 on a Touch screen laptop. This one is better.

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Hancom is better. Comparing it directly with Microsoft Office 2013 on a Touch screen laptop. This one is better.
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I like hancom but I havent been able to look at these side by side. Is this a legitimate opinion based on using both?
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Does anyone know if they will offer on the 10.1 2014? My friend wants the SP2 for PA school because of OneNote, likes the NotePro but 12.2 is to big for her. She would take the 10.1 but Office suite is just garbage.

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Does anyone know if they will offer on the 10.1 2014? My friend wants the SP2 for PA school because of OneNote, likes the NotePro but 12.2 is to big for her. She would take the 10.1 but Office suite is just garbage.
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Evernote is so much better then one note. I used Onenote first and did a lot of stuff and thought this was great, but the first issue was I couldn't sync my one note without using extra software (2 years ago), but then found Evernote and it does everything for free AND with the 12.2 it gives 1 year subscript to premium service. You can share evernote notebooks with different people ect.

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Evernote is so much better then one note. I used Onenote first and did a lot of stuff and thought this was great, but the first issue was I couldn't sync my one note without using extra software (2 years ago), but then found Evernote and it does everything for free AND with the 12.2 it gives 1 year subscript to premium service. You can share evernote notebooks with different people ect.
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She likes to be able to drag and drop out of PPTs and such. Also, cant say anything against installing windows program she may need

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I like hancom but I havent been able to look at these side by side. Is this a legitimate opinion based on using both?
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Provided you don't need advanced editing features then yes.
As much as I think Hancom Word is one of the best of its class on Android a full replacement of Microsoft it isn't. One feature that may be critical for those in the market for a "Pro" product is track changes support. I may be wrong, but I can't find it. There's commenting but no track changes options. A simple test that I did was create a document in Word 2007 and saved it into my Dropbox with track changes turned ON. I then loaded that file with Hancom Word, edited and saved it, at which point the file was immediately updated in dropbox. At no time did Hancom Word give any indication of track changes being on, and upon opening the file back up on my workstation the edits were visible with no trace of the changes being tracked. To verify I deleted the edits that were made on the tablet from within Word 2007 on my workstation and immediately the changes were flagged as deleted. Back on the tablet, the markups were invisible BUT the space within which the deleted text should have been was still there (i.e. if I deleted 3 hard lines between two paragraphs there would still be 3 carriage returns visible between those paragraphs in Hancom Word but not visilble in word with review display options set to final).
Lack of track changes is not a deal breaker for me since when I travel I carry my laptop and my tablet and when I'm without my laptop its because I do not intend to do serious editing, but I could see it being an issue for those looking to replace a laptop.
To me if you must have full office compatibility get a surface pro and use office on it. This comes in second, and how close it comes is subjective based upon needs. Unfortunately there's very little information on Hancom's site to sell the product to users on its features so it's difficult for people to decide prior to purchase.

I work for Samsung and during my training on the new software they told me that Hancom office has approximately 60% of all the features of MS Office. It does not however have some of the programming features that some people may need, I have found out the hard way as a student needed these features and I was unable to help him out. Most people will use about 40% of MS office, so this over exceeds what the majority of people need from the software.

the only thing that will be better is the red line or the blue line that come under the word when you make a grammar or spelling mistake. I would love if they have it so you can type and check it later becasue sometime I have some Idea and I have to type it fast then get back and fix any mistake I made because it is clear with the line below the worlds
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the only thing that will be better is the red line or the blue line that come under the word when you make a grammar or spelling mistake. I would love if they have it so you can type and check it later becasue sometime I have some Idea and I have to type it fast then get back and fix any mistake I made because it is clear with the line below the worlds
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It has a spell checker that scans the entire document for mistakes and lets you replace them

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It has a spell checker that scans the entire document for mistakes and lets you replace them
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I will check it out. Thanks
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Spell Checker
The spell checker is a bit hit and miss, if you use a word with an apostrophe in it it won't count the whole word together, ie it doesn't count the t in "didn't" so it thinks you spelt it wrong.
The major glaring omission is the lack of a word count feature! I contacted Hancom about this and they said they would consider adding it
Other than that though it really is great, far better than anything else I've tried.

I know from my experiance (cause of my language is RTL) that is polaris work perfect.
I have bought the note pro also to use excel for work so really wonder what would be the best ☺
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Just checked it and it works perfect !!!
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As a writer/journalist, I think hancom word is great, and does all I need it to do. I do most of my writing on word for the mac on my desktop mac. But now I'm using the np and Hword more than I did with my macbook air that I sold when I decided to buy the np12. I'm hoping Hword becomes available for my note 10.1 2014. I use a bluetooth keyboard and bluetooth mouse when using hword. Btw, there is an app called big cursor. Makes work in hword much easier because the stock cursor disappears.

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there is an app called big cursor. Makes work in hword much easier because the stock cursor disappears.
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Link? I didn't find anything by this exact name in the play store, and "big mouse" seems to not work on JB+

It is called big mouse. I went searching for a big cursor to use with hancom word -- tere are many in ios -- and big mouse was the only one that fit the bill. It works with my stock np12 in hancom word with my bluetooth mouse attached and is far better than the stock cursor. However, the settings for the app don't work, don't even show up anywhere. The settings should allow the cursor to be bigger and black. I emailed the developer to find out what the problem is. Still, it's way better than the almost invisible stock cursor.
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Link? I didn't find anything by this exact name in the play store, and "big mouse" seems to not work on JB+
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OK, thanks, I will give it a whirl.

What is the different between Everynote, S Note and Lecture Note?

Hello, I often hear that EveryNote is the best note taking app. What is the difference between it and S Note, Lecture Note?

S Note can only sync between Samsung devices, and the old&new versions aren't compatible with one another. Evernote files can be accessed on any device that supports Evernote. Never used Lecture Note, so can't speak for that.

There's a free trial of lecturenotes. It's best to try it and see for yourself since we all have different needs when it comes to software. Then you can compare the three yourself.
Since I find the cross platform treatment of hand written notes lacking in evernote I use lecturenotes and sync exported pdf files via dropsync to dropbox. Evernote is okay in my opinion but not as feature rich when it comes to taking hand written notes.
When it's all said and done, none of the three are perfect and I personally find that I wish for a feature or two from the others.
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S Note can only sync between Samsung devices, and the old&new versions aren't compatible with one another. Evernote files can be accessed on any device that supports Evernote. Never used Lecture Note, so can't speak for that.
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The newer versions of s note can indeed sync with evernote. This is how I got one year of premium evernote services.

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The newer versions of s note can indeed sync with evernote. This is how I got one year of premium evernote services.
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Initially when I purchased the Note Pro the notes that I'd take in S-Note and sync with Evernote were practically useless to me on my Mac/PC. Has this changed? They'd be saved in a proprietary format or an image file that was too small physically to be useful to read on my high res screens. PDF export was an option but with the limited page size support in S-Note I found myself looking elsewhere in a hurry for a note taking tool that truly mimics a letter sized note pad.

I bought a program a while back that I can comment on. It's called Handrite note Notepad Pro. By NC Corp. Needed it before I owned a device with SNote built in. I used to use my finger..... But now with my pen, I like it even more. But I already bought it so I didn't have to decide if I wanted it over the other OP ideas and other suggestions from muzzy996. It syncs using Dropbox through an additional program that is called Open Sync and that is free. Works well. But the handwriting Pro is cool and features some neat options. Might not be everyone's cup of tea with how it replaces text as you write but most things are adjustable.

Microsoft’s Onenote beta is very good. Handwriting is good, syncs with PC, you can search handwritten notes on computer (but not on tablet).

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Initially when I purchased the Note Pro the notes that I'd take in S-Note and sync with Evernote were practically useless to me on my Mac/PC. Has this changed? They'd be saved in a proprietary format or an image file that was too small physically to be useful to read on my high res screens. PDF export was an option but with the limited page size support in S-Note I found myself looking elsewhere in a hurry for a note taking tool that truly mimics a letter sized note pad.
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I wasn't aware of the size issue. I had some old notes that transferred over and indeed they are not full size. I don't know if that's just for the screen, maybe they would print out on normal size paper? Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. ...

No problem. Yeah S-Note simply doesn't work for me in terms of page setup options. It's fine for simple note taking but sometimes I prefer being able to generate a set of notes with a specific page setup in mind such as a letter sized page in a particular orientation with a particular layout of lines/grids as a background.
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How is Google Keep compared with Everynote, S Note and Lecture Note?

Rather simplistic compared to the others. I haven't revisited it in months but as far as I know there's no active stylus support in Google keep.
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For me Everynote and Google keep are like a collection of sticky notes. Ln and Snote are more like a collection of notebooks with more pages and options to manage large notebooks. Those apps are for completely different use cases with Ln being focused on students and many notebooks.

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For me Everynote and Google keep are like a collection of sticky notes. Ln and Snote are more like a collection of notebooks with more pages and options to manage large notebooks. Those apps are for completely different use cases with Ln being focused on students and many notebooks.
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Indeed.
Lecturenotes has quite a bit of features though it doesn't always do a good job of providing them in a user friendly way. As an example, pen colors and line thicknesses can be shown in a toolbox on screen but for everything else one must drill down through menus. It would be nice if toolboxes were available for other functions as well in that software.
Its definitely more powerful than the others though even if there are limitations in some respects. An example of the power of lecturenotes is the ability to work on multiple layers (i think the limit is 3) which can be helpful when one is working with graphical elements vs writing/text. An example of limitations in Lecturenote is whereas in SNote when an image is pasted into a note it always remains as an editable image (you can click on it to move it and resize it), in lecturenotes that isn't necessarily the case. In lecturenotes if you want to change the size or location of a pasted image on your page you must select the image using the marquee tool and then expanding the image at that point comes with loss in clarity as it is scaled up. Overall the power of lecturenotes is great though.

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I wasn't aware of the size issue. I had some old notes that transferred over and indeed they are not full size. I don't know if that's just for the screen, maybe they would print out on normal size paper? Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. ...
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What is the page size issue in S-Note?

If you import s-note files into evernote they are physically smaller.. in other words you can't use the s-pen to edit in evernote because the size of the note is too small and does not take up the entire screen like in s-note.

It goes beyond that for me. If all one ever wants is to work within the confines of the Samsung Galaxy Note ecosystem everything is good when it comes to S-note. However, if the need is to take notes on predefined page sizes for printing there is no way to do so. All one has in terms of page types is landscape or portrait orientation with a variety of backgrounds and form types, there is no way to control paper size. These do not print well at US Letter or other page types. I bought this larger note because it's screen is closer in size to a real letter page and yet the applications baked in don't support that.
The is why I use lecturenotes. I have complete freedom to do custom sizes for printing.

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It goes beyond that for me. If all one ever wants is to work within the confines of the Samsung Galaxy Note ecosystem everything is good when it comes to S-note. However, if the need is to take notes on predefined page sizes for printing there is no way to do so. All one has in terms of page types is landscape or portrait orientation with a variety of backgrounds and form types, there is no way to control paper size. These do not print well at US Letter or other page types. I bought this larger note because it's screen is closer in size to a real letter page and yet the applications baked in don't support that.
The is why I use lecturenotes. I have complete freedom to do custom sizes for printing.
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Do you mean electronically speaking, the notes are fine. However, they do not print well on papers? How about saving/printing them in pdf format and then send the file to the printer? I use A4 size notes as notes for my work. I am considering to write notes electronically on the Note PRO 12.2. Of course, I do hope to be able to print it out like a A4 size note. Is this possible? If not, from your post, it seems that lecturenotes can do it.

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Do you mean electronically speaking, the notes are fine. However, they do not print well on papers? How about saving/printing them in pdf format and then send the file to the printer? I use A4 size notes as notes for my work. I am considering to write notes electronically on the Note PRO 12.2. Of course, I do hope to be able to print it out like a A4 size note. Is this possible? If not, from your post, it seems that lecturenotes can do it.
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On a standard yellow notepad in US Letter size there are 28 lines available to write on. In S-Note if one creates a notebook using the standard lined page in portrait orientation there are only 18 lines available. To fix this one has to avoid using lines completely by using a blank portrait template. Then what you do is go into the notebook, click the gear icon and change the background, click the upper left box for blank white page, then hit pattern, then pick the second from the right box on the top row.
Once this is all done you have a page that approximates a standard yellow pad.
EXCEPT if you print this thing, it doesn't fill the entire width of an A4 or Letter sheet. When printed to fit on letter, you lose 1.7 inches of width of the page. When printed to fit on A4 you lose 1 inch of width. Doesn't sound like much but on average you're losing 20% of available space on a page.
Its all a bit convoluted and honestly I rather not deal with the BS of it all and I opt to go to LectureNotes instead. With it, I'm able to set up all aspects of a notebook at the time of its creation. Additionally I can place items on different layers to move things around if I wish. The only thing I missin Lecturenotes is how S-Note handles images that are pasted in. In S-Note these pasted images remain as editable objects allowing you to move them and scale them about as you please. In LectureNotes you need to be careful of where you place images because they no longer are treated like smart objects.

Thanks. By losing certain inches of width of the page during printing, do you mean those parts are being cut off? Isn't is possible to scale down the entire page to make printing of everything possible?
If I just draw images, than there should not be a problem in LectureNotes? So, there is no perfect app. I don't want to choose an app, make a lot of things using it. Then, later find that there are some limitations and switch to another app while losing the stuffs I create using the first chosen app.

There DEFINITELY is no perfect app.
See the attachment below. Notice the white vertical strip. That white strip you'll never be able to write in . . . the darkened corners of the notepad image is the absolute corners on the tablet itself when you zoom/pan around in the notepad.
Edit: To clarify, the image attached is what a printed page would look like on US Letter when a page layout of portrait is selected in S-note and the user fills the entire page with notes (simulated by me drawing at the extreme corners). The print is maximized to the long side of the page.

All please all best apk for samsung note pro for productivity

Hi All I got my note pro 12.2 and mainly will used it for studying and note taking and lectures and word , excel so on
so please every one tell me his best apk for studying and note taking , knowing that i used spen its good but my main problem the page size is too small, I canot make it llarger using the multi window mode
so any help with making the page bigger or a btter apk for that?
also , I want to know how to conncet my note pro to projector for ppt presentations?

I also use my Note when I'm in meetings and I do one of two things. If the meeting is short then I just use the S Pen to jot notes down then type them up later. I use Papyrus as my jotting program. Simple and easy to use. I don't use S Note as it's a little too simple and not nearly enough options.
For long meetings I have a bluetooth keyboard. I will be reviewing that later. I use Google Docs as it's easy to use and saves everything to the cloud as well as on my tablet. I also use Sheet for my Excel sheets. There is genuine Microsoft Word and Excel for the tablet however if you don't have a subscription to Office 365 then you can't save anything.
There are plenty of other apps out there that might be ideal for you however I think for me I've found the right balance.
I'd love to have a Docs program that can integrate S Pen scribbles and is very fully functional.

I recently found Microsoft's One Note.
It has a decent amount of functionality as well as pen support. But what I REALLY like is the way it organizes eveything.
You can have multiple "notebooks" like SNote, but then you can have multiple 'chapters' inside each one.

I'll second the suggestion for One Note. Microsoft has done a killer job with the app's UI/UX and having the ability to automatically sync with my Microsoft account (which, in turn, lets it sync on my PC) is fantastic.

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Hi All I got my note pro 12.2 and mainly will used it for studying and note taking and lectures and word , excel so on
so please every one tell me his best apk for studying and note taking , knowing that i used spen its good but my main problem the page size is too small, I canot make it llarger using the multi window mode
so any help with making the page bigger or a btter apk for that?
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LectureNotes.
konan2010 said:
also , I want to know how to conncet my note pro to projector for ppt presentations?
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There are 3 methods:
1. MHL/HDMI-Adaptor (Samsung has 3, MHL1, MHL2 and a MHL3 Adapter). With a Full-HD Monitor I use the MHL2 Version, because I don't have a 4k projector/Monitor.
2. Miracast. But Miracast can only do one thing: copy the Screen.
3. My prefered method for projectors: Chromecast.

thanks all for reply and really sorry didnt reply fast
I will give both lectures notes and micrososft one a try, although i tried them before and didnt like them may I didnt keep on using them
secondly do you guys know a refernce manager for android? and a good office I liked Hword and Hcell a lot but It have little problems with android

Btw. with "Microsoft PowerPoint Preview" you can use your S-Pen during the Presentation!!! Very cool, this makes your NotePro to a real Whiteboard.

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Btw. with "Microsoft PowerPoint Preview" you can use your S-Pen during the Presentation!!! Very cool, this makes your NotePro to a real Whiteboard.
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thanks a lot man I wil try , I tried also microsoft note , I ddnt like it, and Guess LEcture notes is great but need more practice and making changes in its settings

I did look at Microsoft Note but it seems like you can't do much unless you have a 360 account.

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I did look at Microsoft Note but it seems like you can't do much unless you have a 360 account.
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Yes, thats the Problem with Microsofts apps. I have installed PowerPoint Preview, Excel Preview and Word Preview, but I use it in "Readonly" mode to view mail attachments or show Presentations with S-Pen Support.

I use my Note for planning projects, setting agendas, taking meeting minutes and setting TO-DO. lists.
For this I use Evernote. Most things are done with the keyboard, note taking is with the Spen or voice recognition.
I know Evernote isn't for everyone, but you get a years premium subscription with the Note pro so give it a go.
Keeps everything orderly in its place.

i love squid(papyrus) for note taking. it seems like u can draw and jot on a very large paper!

+1 One Note : PC Synchronisation & management

I love PDF Max 4 for highlighting text.
I read a lot of medical literature, and PDF Max 4 in in combination with a bigger stylus (Wacom Bamboo or so) has just the right workflow for highlighting text very precisely and very easily . Ideal tool for exam preparations, much better than any other app I tried so far.

I think my most used productivity app is Inkredible. It allows me to draw in vector and export it as a vector PDF, so I can import it directly into Illustrator. May not be as useful for everyone else, but I'm a designer, so it saves me time.
Note taking I do in Papyrus, and texts I write in Droidedit. Droidedit lacks formatting, which means less hassle when importing into Indesign.
Now all I need is a proper Adobe package for Android and I'm all set...
(I'm obviously using a Wacom Bamboo for Note stylus, and I still hate the fact that my Intuos stylus doesn't work on this.)

No one tried Fiinote?
Shock horror.
Features:
.draw
.voice notes
.keyboard
.handwrite
.infinite page size
.widgets
Your welcome.

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LectureNotes.
There are 3 methods:
1. MHL/HDMI-Adaptor (Samsung has 3, MHL1, MHL2 and a MHL3 Adapter). With a Full-HD Monitor I use the MHL2 Version, because I don't have a 4k projector/Monitor.
2. Miracast. But Miracast can only do one thing: copy the Screen.
3. My prefered method for projectors: Chromecast.
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I second the Chromecast option. I think the Chromecast is the best $35 I've ever spent. Another thing I like about it is having 2 daughters, who are usually glued to their phones, Chromecast has a lot of games you can play with multiple people and everyone uses their own device, like being able to see your letters is Scrabble while the board is on the projector. It's just a fun way to spend time with my girls instead of them staying in their rooms being antisocial.

INKredible - Handwriting Note is great, i used to install a similar app on my Ipad (i don't know if it is this app or not but same features)
Very convenient to take note what came across my mind, but i think it would be disaster if handwriting is bad and ugly
apk if you need: http://choilieng.com/apk-on-pc/com.viettran.inkredible.apk

calendar writing

on my note 4, I could use my s-pen to write on the calendar and save so that i could see my scribbles on the calendar at any time. I do not see this in the verizon note 7 verizon. Anyone know how to restore this useful function?
thanks

Yes, I also want to know this. I had the note 3, I use this daily and it actually makes me want to give this phone back. Not very useful if one can't make quick notes. It's how I make my work schedule and remind myself not to over book. It's my way of life.

I didn't own the note 4 so not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for, but when you click on the day with the spen, a notes screen does pop up. It changes your writing to text though, which can be frustrating if you have chicken scratch like I do.

dOobs24 said:
I didn't own the note 4 so not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for, but when you click on the day with the spen, a notes screen does pop up. It changes your writing to text though, which can be frustrating if you have chicken scratch like I do.
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The older versions calender had a mini calender at the top right corner. Once selected it with the s pen you could write on the calender itself, you just had to save it. Then it was in the calender for a quick view.
I saw where one can add a note inside a specific day, but I personally do not want to add a note inside a day that I may not remember to check.
I used it to help manage the days I would allow myself to pick up extra shifts, schedule days off, count down to vacations, notes to add in shifts w/special needs-call call back pay or write my pto hours when needed. It was very handy. It truly was an extension to my mobile calender vs one you had to carry around in a bag. Saved me that extra $10-15 a year because it was always at my finger tips. I uses that quick view to reply back to coworkers on days I could help cover shifts. Now the quick view has been removed completely.

anyone know if it is possible to install the note 4 S Planner apk's (which apparently carries this function I want) without borking the note 7?

Each year, software gets stripped more and more, making the galaxy S and galaxy Note series virtually the same aside from the spen. It's lame. The Note hasnt felt epic since the Note 3/4.
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guys did you found any solution to install old s planner or some similar app that support handwriting on calendar ?