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Hi guys
Looking to upgrade from my Galaxy S4 i9500 which has been loyal to me for the past 2 years. I work in IT so I get to do lot of mobile work on my phone. Looking for a phone with a larger screen 5.5-5.8 for a budget of up to $550.
Looking at the specs`of all the recently released devices, the LG G4 stands strong and the price is great ($430 new on eBay). I don't really care for a finger print sensor. Maybe in a week after the release of V10 or G4 Pro, the price will drop even more.
so if you were me at this point of time, would you buy the LG G4 again? Go for a different device?
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tom
I bought it recently It is great
The only phones I can compare to the G4 -for me- are:
*Moto X-Style for its metal body, front facing camera flash light, stock android experience, cool Motorola Gestures, out of the box quick charger (Quick Charging 34% in 15 min), 52 score in water and dust resistance (however some youtube videos showed G4 resisting water too but nothing official), front facing speakers with a nice camera score Dxomark. However, you may need to watch comparisons between it and G4 to tell which you would prefer, I am still loving the G4 manual mode..
also I think Moto X-Style will get better custom roms support than G4 specially other models than 815.
*and Nexus 6P for its metal body, Greater camera score in Dxomark site !! no comparisons available yet with G4 !! fingerprint sensor, Google fast and direct updates, front facing speakers and bigger battery but no sdcard, and it will have much more custom roms than the other 2 phones..
In case you went for any of them, you will miss the Pedometer, IR blaster, Quick Circle case view and Manual Shutter speed in the G4
Hi M7mdA7md7sein
Thank you very much for your detailed answer, the 2 alternative devices you have mentioned are exactly the 2 I was considering!
I think that your answer and my research has led me toward the N6p.
Thanks a bunch!
My previous was S4 as well.
Just got mine yesterday. So far, so good.
I was between G4 and Moto X Style. Since I got G4 for much less, I went for it.
Basically, I was all the way to X Style, but camera. I use camera a lot, and G4's camera is cool. Still learning though (auto gave me some bad pics in low light).
That's it. As already written, my concern is about ROMs /root / community support, but it's too soon to tell everything about it (for me).
I'd stay far away from this phone, especially if you are heavy into the modding scene. I bought mine at launch and it has been nothing but a headache for me, but I have plenty of phones to compare it to, so based upon my usage, this will be my first phone to sell as soon as that time comes. For the price, you could spend a little bit more and get a phone with a hell of a lot more dev support and a better overall build quality. This is one of the very few phones that still has the microsd slot and a battery that can be changed, but with today's technology that is no longer a necessity for me anymore. I am on my 2nd unit and I have had nothing but issues. There are plenty of people that love this phone, but for me, this stays on my desk more than my calculator does... If these features are what you need on a phone then go right ahead, but I just thought I would add my opinion because not everyone is happy with this device. Take a look around the forums and I do believe this is what you will see, and not a whole lot more...
Hi Tom,
I have owned the G4 since mid July and I still think it is brilliant. My only wish would be for a nice easy root path. I continue to run the device completely stock and haven't done anything to it at all. In the end my phone is a work horse before it is a toy.
I wrote a review of this phone back at the end of July - http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/general/lg-g4-review-t3167563 which I have just re-read and I still agree with what I wrote. Since then the leather back of my phone how shows a few marks but has held up well over all. Mostly I have a darkening and polishing of the corners which correspond to how I hold the phone when playing games or surfing the web.
Back Plate https://goo.gl/photos/6eQtwh6jSqJUFdKj6
Corner https://goo.gl/photos/athTYeZuLNeC1PYBA
I think what sums it up though is my wife wants a phone with a better camera than what she has currently and I am seriously thinking about recommending the g4.
Ps photos were taken with the G4
You are welcome
Glad to help ) Hope you will enjoy this phone
I admit that initially I was expecting the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge to be the best phone out there. However when we ran into the bootloader issue and more news about the LG G5 came out I was definitely attracted to the possibility of having the LG G5 and a better product possibly than made by Samsung. The rumors and upcoming details about the HTC 10 phone were also in the back of my mind. However after reading the below article I think that we have all made a very wise decision.
http://www.cnet.com/products/htc-10-review/
Going to end up like M9
They just can't get over the hurdle
I'd take the 10 over the G5 any day, but to each his own.
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I'd take the 10 over the G5 any day, but to each his own.
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What issues are you having with your G5?
After reading the review I am glad I bought the G5 as there is really very little difference between the phones in the review. I have had HTC in the past as well as Motorola and will buy neither again. My last 4 phones have been LG and I loved them all.
have to say, having both the S7 Edge (exynos) and the LG G5, i actually prefer the LG. It's just as fast and the headphone quality much better.
Other than the fact that I love a Super AMOLED screen such as on the S7 Edge I will have to say that between the three top phones out today the G5 to me is the best. However I must admit that the LCD screen on the G5 is quite excellent for what it represents in LCD technology. It's definitely the best LCD screen on a phone that I've seen. However like I said before tell me the perfect G5 would have been if it came with a Super AMOLED screen.
IMHO, most of it's subjective..
Especially sicne G5 still has no root, and the 10 looks like it will almost out of the starting gate. For me, root's more important than friggin' benchmarks, or camera quality, etc.
Removable battery, on screen buttons, solid camera (as good as or better than my s6e), and the potential for AOSP ROMs: I'm happy with my choice. Looking forward to the 360 cam and my extra battery and charging cradle!
I am not at all excited for the HTC 10 or any other HTC product for that matter. To me they are very close to being irrelevant at all.
Right now I dont anticipate finding anything to replace my G5 until maybe the Fall LG release (whatever comes after the LG V10). The phone has its flaws in the build quality, but there is nothing horrible & the phone has a ton going for it. Overall I am happy with it, much more so then I was with my S7 (though the s7 form factor was better in my opinion).
HTC will always have a place in my heart and I hope they do well with the 10, for the markets sake. However, the lg g5, in my opinion is excellent. The quality of the screen, build(I don't have any problems that others might have) the ability to easily replace a battery, the modular design with actual modular items that are functional, and the camera(as a parent fast reliable cameras are a must) and lastly, lg sticking with a micro sd to go along with the great camera. The HTC 10 will have superior sound production and might have better antennas which the HTC m9 gave me the best reception of any phone I've ever owned. The lg g5 has faired excellent in that department. Unfortunately for htc, I will be sticking with the lg g5(for now)?
Not impressed with the G5
I am definitely not impressed with the G5 and if the HTC 10 was out a bit earlier I would have gotten it over the G5. I have light bleed along the bottom of my screen over to the bottom right, poor audio quality (since I won't be getting the DAC since I live in the states), the battery dies quickly, I can look right through the gap between the module and the phone, and the bump for the camera is also hideous. With all that being said it was definitely a better buy over the Galaxy S7. The S7 sounds worse through headphones according to some(I can't believe that's actually possible), No removable battery, and a crappy loud speaker. If only the V10 had shipped with the 810...
My G5 is flawless. Sound is great. Display is great. Perfect construction.
Other people have different opinions it would seem:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/HTC-10-vs-LG-G5_id4194
I'm still more than happy with my G5. Feels light years better than my s6e.
scottricketts said:
I'm still more than happy with my G5. Feels light years better than my s6e.
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Glad to hear it. I just ordered one and currently have an S6 I'll be trading in coming from ATT.
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The on screen buttons HTC has adopted is a deal breaker for me. Also, I'm a huge fan of the camera features on the G5 along with the added super wide lens, and the ir blaster, the list goes on.. It's more of the full package for me.. Can you tell I love this phone
A good read for those all in with the G5.
http://m.androidcentral.com/love-letter-lg-g5s-wide-angle-camera
I had issues with my first G5, when I put in an SD card, it wouldn't recognize the SIM card OR the SD card, when I got my second one it had a small burn in with the bottom right corner in the LCD, so on the third one I like it, I've got my spare battery and charger on the way and so far... so good. I got it for the modularity as I'm a HUGE fan of Project Ara and Puzzlephone and if a manufacturer is going to support modularity (even in a micro fashion) I want to support them. Plus since the LG Thrill (Last LG phone I've had), they've come SO far with their software... it's not even funny there.
So far with the 10d update all is perfect on my 2 G5s. Very happy with them.
I have used a G5 for the most part of this year. Then I upgraded to V20 for a brief period (mostly for the free projector and T-mobile promotion ). V20 was a great device, but was too big for me. Then I upgraded to G6. While it was a nice phone for average consumers, I felt like I have downgraded compared to G5 in many aspects. So, after using it for a month I am back to my good old G5! I am just gonna list my reasons below.
1. Camera: No real improvement in camera performance. Just some more megapixels in the wide angle one. I use the wide angle camera a lot, so it was a good thing, but not that important. G6 is using phase detection autofocus, compared to the laser in G5. While this is good in some situation, G5 takes much better macro-mode pictures due to laser focus.
2. Infra-red: Gone. How come they decided to remove a feature, rather than upgrading?
3. Display: G6 got a nice display, but this 2:1 aspect ratio is simply wasted real estate on top and bottom. At least on V20 the extra space was used for something useful (the second display)
4. Notification LED: A big minus. Always-on-display is good, but a LED is a lot more functional and visible. The AOD also takes a toll on the battery. Despite larger battery in G6, on my usage level the battery performance was no better than G5.
5. Removable battery: I was a big fan of the samsung note series until they ditched the removable battery in note5. Since then I used all the LG flagships, because they kept the battery removable. I hope they keep the removable battery in V30.
6. Root-ability: As of now, G6 is not rootable, and I believe there is a good chance that it will never get root. Performance improvement in SD821 is unnoticeable compared to SD820, specially when I can use a custom kernel in G5 to suit my preference.
With G6, LG basically made an eye-candy targeting a consumer base who buys Samsung and apple for the flashy looking phones. For me a phone is about functionality, not a fashion statement. While the glossy look of G6 is aesthetically pleasing, the trade-off in functionality was simply not for me. I really do hope that LG doesn't target the same market for V30. In that case G5 might as well be my last LG phone. But my G5 is going strong with zero issues, and I believe it will serve a good long time.
Agree with you on most counts. I've had every LG "G" phone since G2 and like you, V20 due to the good promotion on price and minibeam projector. V20 I too found was too big, though that quad-DAC really does make a difference. Audio is superb on it. Just got G6 and on my first week of usage. I like it so far and in hand, it feels great, as it feels like a "candybar" again, not the overly wide feeling where your hands feel stretched with G3, G4, and V20. G5 was a nice sized phone with tons of features and a seriously underrated phone. I will say this, performance on G5 and V20 was topnotch at the beginning but they too underwent the typical Android slowdown after a few weeks of use. I'm talking programs that crawl, camera super slow to open, general navigation slow, and twitchy, stuttery browsing... none of which is really apparent on an iPhone... unfortunately, Android still can't seem to figure out the buttery smooth part (maybe Pixel?). The battery life on G5 did really stink though and there's no way I could go an entire day without changing out the battery, which becomes a ritual and it's not like it's hard, but it is annoying (I had 3 batteries). My G5 wasn't without problems though - it has that notorious GPS issue... GPS signal is absolute garbage (there's an in-depth XDA thread on it) and even after sending back the G5 to LG for repairs, it developed the problem over time... so GPS is really crippled on this phone (for me and many other unlucky ones) and as most can agree GPS is one of those crucial features, I can't go back to my own copy of G5.... maybe I can pick up another used one for a good price with a good GPS unit... but that's too much trouble. I like G5 but I don't love it THAT much to go through all that trouble... if I am honest, V20 really has got it all... except the size part. V20's wide angle camera is I think slightly less wide than G5's. I like G5's wideness better.
G6 - just beautiful... but you're right. No more replaceable batteries... and LG gave the US people a normal (stinky) DAC, not like the one in V20... oh boy, you can literally hear the difference. But I also noticed LG's own music app stinks - install a 3rd party - I installed Pi Music Player and the audio quality is noticeably better than the stock music player, despite the stinker of a DAC. LG says the US customers wanted wireless charging over DAC... c'mon seriously? With USB-C, charging is so easy... I'd rather have a better DAC. And removal of IR really hurts. Maybe most didn't use it but I travel a lot for work and stay at hotels... I find myself using IR quite often to change the input source of the TV (for plugging my laptop via HDMI, using Chromecast, etc).
LG... please don't go along with the "norm"... You will not win and you will no longer have any key differentiating feature.
I have to agree, I've had my G6 about a month now and I'm not that impressed. I've had several random reboots, and the screen freezes. If we had root, I could work with it but since we don't, I tend to use my G5 more and more..
Which rom do you use on LG G5?
loretta1980 said:
Which rom do you use on LG G5?
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Stock rooted with Asgard kernel.
If you don't need WiFi calling or VOLTE, Fulmics rom is a good option.
H830 and H850 are the only variants that can be rooted right? Does the 830 have all the bands necessary for ATT LTE? Or do you have to go with the 850?
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In that case G5 might as well be my last LG phone. But my G5 is going strong with zero issues, and I believe it will serve a good long time.
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well you lucky
mine main camera died after 2 months
i installed another main camera module and didnt work
so i have a G5 with non working main camera and the wide angle is not good for everyday pics
i like the G5 so much but that ripped my heart appart
After months of "which phone next?", I was solidly set on the X⁴.
While researching this purchase, I found the unlocked, for all US carriers, Z2 Play.
Dilemma revisited...
Is the Z2 Play worth the extra $100?
It does have double the internal storage and ups the RAM by 1GB, so it could easily be justified, with that.
Big concern, will Moto Actions, Voice and Display be the same, on both of these as it is on the Moto X Pure Edition?
I'm really hooked on the custom wakeup word and reading my text to me, while driving.
I'd appreciate opinions and other 'vs.' thoughts.
Hey man, Moto Actions, Voice, and Display are all present on the Z2P. The big difference that you need to think about is that the X4 is 5.2 IPS, has a dual camera and no mods. Meanwhile the Z2P is 5.5 AMOLED, single camera, and you can use mods.
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Hey man, Moto Actions, Voice, and Display are all present on the Z2P. The big difference that you need to think about is that the X4 is 5.2 IPS, has a dual camera and no mods. Meanwhile the Z2P is 5.5 AMOLED, single camera, and you can use mods.
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Unfortunately, there is no custom wakeup word in Moto Voice. I played with the app at best buy and it seems to only have 'show me' commands, but I bought Z2 unlocked version on swappa anyways.
Now, I have a 6P 128 and a Moto X Pure 32 to sell.
I'll keep my Moto X Pure 64 as a backup.
ETA, got the wife an X4 and the battery life is just as great as the Z2 Play.
I've had the Z2 Play for almost 2 months and with same daily usage, the battery life far exceeds the MXPE and 6P.
Hey Pablo, after another month, do you have any words of wisdom on preference between the Z2 and X4? I doubt that I would buy any mods for the Z2, but I like the storage capacity it offers. I will definitely root the phone also and it looks like Z2 is ahead in that area right now also. On the other hand, I like the water resistance, display screen, and dual cameras of the X4. I am not having huge problems with my XPE now; battery life is not great and internal storage is jammed full. So I would like to get a new phone, probably by February. Thank you in advance for your time and thoughts.
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Hey Pablo, after another month, do you have any words of wisdom on preference between the Z2 and X4? ....
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I was stuck between these two, but ended up with the Z2. The 4 GB RAM and 64GB internal storage did it. I've had it just shy of three months and the wife has had the X4 for a month. With what I now know about the two, the Z2 would be an easy choice for me.
I prob won't get any mods, either, but the thinness is awesome in my pocket, especially compared to the MXPE.
The X4 is a decent phone, but a few things bother me:
A) Only 32GB internal storage which has 13GB taken up by OS files. I've read that it's some doubling of files, in order to make updates smoother.
B) 3 GB of RAM. The wife has not reported lag issues, but I want more RAM to enable the phone to be able to handle future needs.
C) The camera has a really bad lag, between pressing the go button and the pic actually being captured. I've side loaded a Google Camera apk and every time I test it, it snaps pics right after the button is pressed, but in real world use, she misses what she is trying to capture. Very frustrating.
D) Lack of availability of good cases. I like hybrid cases, like Speck or Incipio, with a hard back and grippy sides. There are no major manufacturers cases available for the X4.
E) X4 is kinda fat in thickness, when compared to the Z2 and I prefer the larger screen on the Z2.
Both batteries greatly out perform the MXPE, even when new. With the same daily usage and charging, I am usually left with at least 50%. The MXPE often required charging, in the evening, in order to make it to bed time.
I am really happy with my Z2 choice. I have been using the ONE BUTTON NAV feature and it's pretty awesome. Sometimes I forget which way to swipe it, when in landscape, using a nav dock and sometimes BACK goes all the way to the home screen, instead of just back one page in the app being used, but overall I like it.
I have rooted it and themed it. Making the backgrounds black is my major motivation for rooting. Since lollipop arrived with all of its white backgrounds and icons I have been a theming junkie. I'll be trying Xposed and Gravity Box, soon, but only for a few tweaks.
I really like tempted glass screen protectors! I think they feel better than a bare screen and they give me security piece of mind. I am using a TG PROJECTOR, to I can't recall which, and it is serving me well. It does not cover the entire screen side to side, but covers enough and the cutouts are accurate.
I have the Sleo snap case for weekend carry and is a great low profile and grippy case. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B072562YNT/ref=oh_aui_i_d_old_o1_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have a Speck Presidio for work days and it's quite grippy.
I also have an Otterbox Commuter for days that require even more protection, but is had a smooth back and is a bit hard to hold on to. I have a GadgetShieldz for a different phone (Z Force I think) that I will add to the back of the Commuter, in hopes of adding grip.
ETA: got the Gadgetshieldz camera and body protectors. I'm not impressed. The sandstone finish seems just as slippery as the Commuter case and the camera protector does not have precise cuts. I reckon they are cheap for a reason.
I have tried this camera protector, but they did not stay applied and are plastic, not glass.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B074FTS66N/ref=oh_aui_i_sh_post_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have GadgetShieldz camera films for both phones on their way, also.
I tried this case, before better cases were available and returned. It is cheap and not grippy.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B071ZS9R1X/ref=oh_aui_i_r_o1_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Too bad you missed the $350 price, from Moto's site, that was running for a few weeks! There are a couple on swappa.com right now.
After reviewing both, I've determined the Z2 Play as the far superior option. It's faster (even though not on paper), the camera's better, the software's better, and it has a nicer AMOLED screen.
https://thematridox.com/2017/11/17/moto-x4-review/
https://thematridox.com/2017/07/31/moto-z2-play-and-new-moto-mods-review/
Thanks again Pablo for your thoughtful review/comparison. It did help me decide on the Z2P, and they are marked down again on the Motorola site. Not quite as good as the Black Friday deal, but good enough for me to order one. Now I just need to read up on the best root method so I am ready to go when it gets here in a couple of days.
I've got my Z2 Play (4/64) a few months ago. My wife got new X4 (4/64) this christmas. Both phones has advantages and disadvantages. Z2 Play have a better screen (AMOLED) and X4 have a much much better camera (apart from Z2 Play, wich is rubbish in photoshooting...).
Another voice from me, I've bought both phones :
Moto X4:
+ better camera support on XDA (stock camera is OK, but modded GCam... is often better, especially low-light)
+ newer chipset (better LTE modem - 600 Mbit, Bluetooth 5.0, faster graphics)
+ longer foreseen future (as it's chosen by Google for its Project Fi)
+ water/dustproof
- smaller storage (I've just discovered that - having almost no custom apps, just Spotify and GCam plus e-banking) I have only about 5.5 GB left
- hybrid dual-sim tray
- microSD card can only be formatted as portable storage
- slightly less "snappy" device (but this is just an impression maybe, really hardly noticeable)
Moto Z2 Play:
+ bigger, more impressive screen
+ more RAM (so slightly "snappier", just a little bit)
+ more storage
+ Mods support
+ dual SIM and microSD support at the same time - no "hybrid" slot
- GCam currently not possible (and probably never will be), so camera is noticeably worse, despite of its 1.7 aperture and laser AF
- single main camera (well, I really love the wide-angle one on Moto X4)
- Lenovo already has broken its built-in equalizer after one of latest updates - not working (but at least it sounds really OK even without EQ...)
- worse LTE modem (300 Mbit)
Common for both phones :
+ great battery life !
+ really nice sound via headphones
+ great, highly sensitive FM radio tuner
+ fantastic design and build quality
- so-so support for now
Hi everyone!
I need to buy a new phone but I'm stuck on choosing between this two phones, LG G7 (for 300€) or Oneplus 6 (for 400€).
I kindly ask you which one is better overall. The only two things I care more are camera quality and software updates.
Thanks for your help!
If you care about software, geet thee oneplus 6.
Camera on the LG g2/g4 is beter then this one..
Software updates sux on LG....
But over all I would have chosen lg g7..
I think the lg g7 is way better than oneplus 6. G7 is a military grade phone. It have ip 68 rating oneplus 6 don't have this. Lg g7 cameras are good too plus u get the second camera as the ultra-wide camera. In my opinion g7 is the best choice
I used to have Oneplus 6 an now Im owning G7.
I prefer G7 - easier to hold it in one hand, wide angle camera and the most important for me is headphne jack with QuadDac.
software updates, customization, forum support is much better for Oneplus.
no matter what you chose, you'll be happy
G7.. Even at full prices. At current prices, no brainer.
Had a 6T prefer the G7. Little things like the vibration motor makes a world of a difference in quality feel for me and the excellent manual mode in the camera. Also G7 feels more solid in build quality and looks sexy as hell in real life. Pictures don't do it justice.
G7 - Better build quality, a better vibration motor, Quad-Dac, Boombox speaker, wide-angle.
6T- Fastest Updates, clean software, the better primary camera then G7, community support, AMOLED, bigger battery.
If you don't care about Quad-Dac, better vibration motor, and a better quality bottom speaker then go with OnePlus 6T.
No wireless charging = no purchase. I also use the headphone jack a lot... even though I yearn for the 6/6T. The G7 was/is the right phone for me.
For me,the Boom Box feature is the main factor to pick the G7..
What if a phone without sd support crash? Can you get into the memory to get your backup? I was happy once I unlucky damaged my phone with broken usb cable, it was unreadable at my computer. but i could recover all files lucky enough and pictures. I don't buy any phone that not support a sd card for that. Don't forget this is the most bright screen of all,one of the better single bottom speakerand and ip 68.
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@zaragon567 , where did you see the G7 for 300 EUR? I just paid over 400 and thought I got a pretty good deal, but I think I can return it within 2 weeks...