Is anyone using magisk and have Android pay working with root on the 5x ? I've been looking for a thread and can't find how to do it.
Unlock bootloader
Flash stock image
Flash TWRP
Reboot
Download magisk Manager and zip
Reboot ?
Will root apps work now with Android pay?
mikeprius said:
Is anyone using magisk and have Android pay working with root on the 5x ? I've been looking for a thread and can't find how to do it.
Unlock bootloader
Flash stock image
Flash TWRP
Reboot
Download magisk Manager and zip
Reboot ?
Will root apps work now with Android pay?
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Make sure Magisk hide is on in magisk manager and that it passes the safety net check.
Keithn said:
Make sure Magisk hide is on in magisk manager and that it passes the safety net check.
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Do I need to flash SU or just magisk
Got it working. Shows Superuser PHH's not the SU by chainfire. Some apps are not working as well with superuser vs SU, but at least everything seems to be working. Every now and then Magisk Manager bug and it shows loss of root. I'll try Android pay sometime today if I can
Could you make a quick guide on how you got magisk installed correctly?
I had some trouble when i tried it after updating to 7.1.2 yesterday and ended up flashing supersu instead. thx
mikeprius said:
Got it working. Shows Superuser PHH's not the SU by chainfire. Some apps are not working as well with superuser vs SU, but at least everything seems to be working. Every now and then Magisk Manager bug and it shows loss of root. I'll try Android pay sometime today if I can
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Do I need to flash SU or just magisk
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Magisk zip include SU binary (MagiskSU)
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robotzki said:
Could you make a quick guide on how you got magisk installed correctly?
I had some trouble when i tried it after updating to 7.1.2 yesterday and ended up flashing supersu instead. thx
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If you have custom kernel, flash the stock one or that came with the Rom from recovery. Then flash Magisk 12 zip file from Magisk Thread and flash it via recovery. Then reboot and download Magisk manager ....
Is there any reason why Magisk wouldn't work with a custom jkernel? I've installed Magisk on top of pure nexus ROM with ElementalX kernel without issues before.
I'm running SAOSP with Magisk and Franco Kernel and I have root and Android Pay works. That's all I flashed. It had a hard time passing Safety Net when SuperSU was installed. So just flash Magisk without SuperSU. And I guess Android Pay can detect if you have an unlocked bootloader so Franco Kernel is used because it hides that.
I tried Android Pay twice. First time didn't go through, said on the vending machine failed. Second time worked. I checked Android Pay and see 2 charges, does the one that didn't go through just drop off eventually ? Also both charges are much higher than what the actual price was, but I assume this is just a temp charge.
I have elemental X kernel. Works fine. I decided not to mess with SU. My other apps work, plus I've tried asking Chainfire before questions about his apps he's made and he never responded. Not cool, I did buy his apps too, not just freebies.
mikeprius said:
I tried Android Pay twice. First time didn't go through, said on the vending machine failed. Second time worked. I checked Android Pay and see 2 charges, does the one that didn't go through just drop off eventually ? Also both charges are much higher than what the actual price was, but I assume this is just a temp charge.
I have elemental X kernel. Works fine. I decided not to mess with SU. My other apps work, plus I've tried asking Chainfire before questions about his apps he's made and he never responded. Not cool, I did buy his apps too, not just freebies.
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All of my Android Pay charges initially show up as a $1.00 pending charge. After a while, they post as transactions for the full value of the purchase.
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Had issues installing the latest SuperSU, turns out an old version needs to be installed then updated
Found no mention of Magisk and the x Force so gave it a try. Works beautifully and just wanted to share
This is what I did for reference
Download:
Latest Magisk zip from here
Latest Clark TWRP from here
Have a clean boot, bootloader and system image see this guide here - Also follow this guide for obtaining adb/fastboot if you don't already have it
Copy the Magisk zip to your SDcard
reboot into fastboot either by holding the power button and volume down when booting or via adb
Code:
adb reboot fastboot
Temporarily boot into into TWRP
Code:
fastboot boot C:\twrp-3.0.2-0-clark.img
Select the install option, then navigate to the Magisk zip file. Swipe to install. Wait
Reboot
Install the Magisk app from the play store - official guide said there would be a stub app but i didn't encounter
Reboot again to get Super user access - Note: you can install modules like xposed at this point through the app.
Thankfully my banking app tap to pay works when used with Magisk Hide enabled on it so I am very pleased
JimyKK said:
Had issues installing the latest SuperSU, turns out an old version needs to be installed then updated
Found no mention of Magisk and the x Force so gave it a try. Works beautifully and just wanted to share
This is what I did for reference
Download:
Latest Magisk zip from here
Latest Clark TWRP from here
Have a clean boot, bootloader and system image see this guide here - Also follow this guide for obtaining adb/fastboot if you don't already have it
Copy the Magisk zip to your SDcard
reboot into fastboot either by holding the power button and volume down when booting or via adb
Temporarily boot into into TWRP
Select the install option, then navigate to the Magisk zip file. Swipe to install. Wait
Reboot
Install the Magisk app from the play store - official guide said there would be a stub app but i didn't encounter
Reboot again to get Super user access - Note: you can install modules like xposed at this point through the app.
Thankfully my banking app tap to pay works when used with Magisk Hide enabled on it so I am very pleased
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Hi can I ask if using magisk to root will android pay then work because I have rooted in the normal way and root is detected on android pay app.
sam00561 said:
Hi can I ask if using magisk to root will android pay then work because I have rooted in the normal way and root is detected on android pay app.
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Maybe™
My banking app uses google's inbuilt SafteyNet library to detect root and from my understanding that is also how android pay works as well. Magisk's hide function seams to bypass this detection even though on the main screen of Magisk management app the SafetyNet check fails.
For this procedure is necesary unlock the bootloader?
Cameronbrujah said:
For this procedure is necesary unlock the bootloader?
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Absolutely it is !!!
You are rooting your phone.
BTW, I've been running Magisk on CrashXXLs ROMs since they first appeared last summer. There is a Magisk module available to allow the ROM to pass SafetyNET.
Yemble said:
Absolutely it is !!!
You are rooting your phone.
BTW, I've been running Magisk on CrashXXLs ROMs since they first appeared last summer. There is a Magisk module available to allow the ROM to pass SafetyNET.
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Thanks a lot for your prompt response!!!
I'll do it.
Cameronbrujah said:
Thanks a lot for your prompt response!!!
I'll do it.
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With the very latest CrashXXL ROM from a few days ago, Magisk 14.0 passes SafetyNET without the need for any additional modules, or at least it does on my EU xt1580 :good:
If you are coming from stock MM-6.01 on the X-Force, I can strongly recommend the CrashXXL 7.0 ROM as it is rock solid, works with TWRP and has auto-updating disabled (which is a good thing if you don't want to accidentally brick your rooted phone). Moto are not really supporting the X-Force, so there is absolutely no reason to stick with stock as there will be no official Oreo update.
Your other option is (unofficial) LineageOS, however, when I tried it a few weeks ago, I found it extremely unstable, particularly when running TomTom! Therefore, I cannot recommend LineageOS for the X-Force.
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With the very latest CrashXXL ROM from a few days ago, Magisk 14.0 passes SafetyNET without the need for any additional modules, or at least it does on my EU xt1580 :good:
If you are coming from stock MM-6.01 on the X-Force, I can strongly recommend the CrashXXL 7.0 ROM as it is rock solid, works with TWRP and has auto-updating disabled (which is a good thing if you don't want to accidentally brick your rooted phone). Moto are not really supporting the X-Force, so there is absolutely no reason to stick with stock as there will be no official Oreo update.
Your other option is (unofficial) LineageOS, however, when I tried it a few weeks ago, I found it extremely unstable, particularly when running TomTom! Therefore, I cannot recommend LineageOS for the X-Force.
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actually I have Nougat 7.0 Official and only for the moment I will to root the phone. In a near future, of course I will change the ROM to the CrashXXL
Thanks a lot for all your help.
Regards from Mexico!
And how are we gonna unlock the bootloader?
Is there a way to do that?
Can't install SuperSU on Huawei Watch 1 "Patching sepolicy ---Failure, aborting"
I apologize if this is a noob question. I'm no stranger to modding Android devices; only new to modding Wear devices, and unfortunately information about rooting this watch is so sparse (understandably) and I couldn't find anyone with the same issue when searching. So like the title says, I can't get SuperSU installed on my Hwatch running AW 2.0. When I try to install SuperSU via TWRP, it gets stuck when trying to patch sepolicy.
Do I need a custom kernel for this? Is there one with no modifications other than the sepolicy? Or is there a way to change the sepolicy on the stock kernel. Between the guides I've read and WinDroid Toolkit, nothing has mentioned needing to do anything else to allow flashing SuperSU, but I can't think of what else would be the cause of the issue and I suppose things could have changed since those guides and Windroid were written.
I kind of want to avoid custom kernels as they almost always have issues in my experience with running them on phones (no offense to any kernel devs out there) and I can't deal with that on something simple as a watch. I just want this rooted mostly so I can test out underclocking and powersave governor when needing some extra battery time and so the next time I flash or upgrade my phone, I don't have to wipe the watch.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. And if I must install a custom kernel, I would love recommendations on the most reliable and/or closest to stock one.
For me, WinDroid Toolkit doesn't work for rooting Android Wear 2.0. I am on AW2.0 with the stock kernel and I have rooted the device using Magisk v13.2. Magisk Manager works on Android Wear (even though it may be hard to use on a round screen), but SuperSU (app) crashes when I launch the app. All you have to do to install Magisk is to flash the latest Magisk installer in TWRP and sideload the latest Magisk Manager using adb. You can download Magisk here. I have tried SuperSU, but I would get an every time I try to flash the latest SuperSU zip.
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For me, WinDroid Toolkit doesn't work for rooting Android Wear 2.0. I am on AW2.0 with the stock kernel and I have rooted the device using Magisk v13.2. Magisk Manager works on Android Wear (even though it may be hard to use on a round screen), but SuperSU (app) crashes when I launch the app. All you have to do to install Magisk is to flash the latest Magisk installer in TWRP and sideload the latest Magisk Manager using adb. You can download Magisk here. I have tried SuperSU, but I would get an error every time I try to flash the latest SuperSU zip.
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Thank you! Sounds like we encountered the same issue when flashing SuperSU. I had thought about trying Magisk, but wasn't sure if it would cause some issues on Wear. Thanks to your positive report, though, I'm going to try it out when I get home later. :good:
neonixxx said:
Thank you! Sounds like we encountered the same issue when flashing SuperSU. I had thought about trying Magisk, but wasn't sure if it would cause some issues on Wear. Thanks to your positive report, though, I'm going to try it out when I get home later. :good:
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I'd like to know if it works for you. ?
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I'd like to know if it works for you.
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It worked! I was unable to sideload Magisk Manager, though, but that's fine. I'm just stuck on v5.0.5 which works just fine for handling root requests.
That's great! The only real difference between Magisk Manager v5.0.6 and v5.0.5 is that v5.0.6 fixes a crash when downloading modules from the repo, so you shouldn't be that affected. If you want any modules, you can just download them from XDA or something and flash it in TWRP.
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That's great! The only real difference between Magisk Manager v5.0.6 and v5.0.5 is that v5.0.6 fixes a crash when downloading modules from the repo, so you shouldn't be that affected. If you want any modules, you can just download them from XDA or something and flash it in TWRP.
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Yeah, that's why I'm not bothering with it. I don't feel a need for any modules on my watch at the moment Thanks again for tipping me off that Magisk would work.
neonixxx said:
Yeah, that's why I'm not bothering with it. I don't feel a need for any modules on my watch at the moment Thanks again for tipping me off that Magisk would work.
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Just saying (sorry to bother), but Magisk v13.3 came out and fixed SafetyNet bypass. If you want, you can update by flashing Magisk-v13.3 by flashing it in TWRP without needing to uninstall the previous version. Installing this should also update Magisk Manager to v5.1.0.
Tristan Phan said:
Just saying (sorry to bother), but Magisk v13.3 came out and fixed SafetyNet bypass. If you want, you can update by flashing Magisk-v13.3 by flashing it in TWRP without needing to uninstall the previous version. Installing this should also update Magisk Manager to v5.1.0.
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No worries, haha. Yeah I already updated on my phone. Thought about updating the watch, but too lazy at the moment :silly: since I don't really need to pass SafetyNet on my watch for anything. Probably will do it later on.
I'm thinking that the reason that you couldn't install Magisk Manager v5.0.6 was that it was already installed by the Magisk-v13.2 zip and ADB wasn't able to install over the existing APK, but I'm still a noob so I have no idea.
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I'm thinking that the reason that you couldn't install Magisk Manager v5.0.6 was that it was already installed by the Magisk-v13.2 zip and ADB wasn't able to install over the existing APK, but I'm still a noob so I have no idea.
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Check the adb install switches in adb help to solve that. Use the -r or -d switch.
Code:
adb install [-lrtsd] <file>
- push this package file to the device and install it
(-l: forward lock application)
(-r: replace existing application)
(-t: allow test packages)
(-s: install application on sdcard)
(-d: allow version code downgrade)
I was trying to get help on Reddit but I wasn't able to get any help.
I was able to find the Twrp image to Boot into but Magisk isn't installing when I go to try to install it.
I'm using 13.4 for my pixel XL and I tried 13.3
Any ideas why they aren't working? No errors in Twrp when installing.
DudeThatsErin said:
I was trying to get help on Reddit but I wasn't able to get any help.
I was able to find the Twrp image to Boot into but Magisk isn't installing when I go to try to install it.
I'm using 13.4 for my pixel XL and I tried 13.3
Any ideas why they aren't working? No errors in Twrp when installing.
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Hello,
Not sure if Magisk is even working on O but you would want to flash a kernel like ElementalX first or the modified stock. Flash the kernel, then Magisk but again I am not sure if it is actually working yet. If you do get it installed and working be sure to report back to all. Also if you had SU + SUhide prior then you will want to flash the Magisk remover first, then kernel then Magisk.
Cheers
jschill31 said:
Hello,
Not sure if Magisk is even working on O but you would want to flash a kernel like ElementalX first or the modified stock. Flash the kernel, then Magisk but again I am not sure if it is actually working yet. If you do get it installed and working be sure to report back to all. Also if you had SU + SUhide prior then you will want to flash the Magisk remover first, then kernel then Magisk.
Cheers
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Yup. Just verified it doesn't work. I booted into twrp, installed ElementalX, then Magisk 13.4 and rebooted, still doesn't work.
Then I booted into twrp, installed ElementalX and Magisk 13.3 and rebooted. Nothing.
I also installed TWRP RC2 and it works fine. If you want I can upload the bootable image for twrp and RC2 that I used. At least now I have a way of testing it out (well, to keep testing it out, when I'm at work).
DudeThatsErin said:
Yup. Just verified it doesn't work. I booted into twrp, installed ElementalX, then Magisk 13.4 and rebooted, still doesn't work.
Then I booted into twrp, installed ElementalX and Magisk 13.3 and rebooted. Nothing.
I also installed TWRP RC2 and it works fine. If you want I can upload the bootable image for twrp and RC2 that I used. At least now I have a way of testing it out (well, to keep testing it out, when I'm at work).
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So you have twrp installed with no issues?
humdrum2009 said:
So you have twrp installed with no issues?
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Correct
I'm using a 6p with a pixel on the way. I had it working on the 6p with Oreo. I'm pretty sure I had to download an apk as well as flash the zip. Have you done this?
the pixel has a special magisk version because of boot a/b system stuff from my understanding. So it doesn't matter if it works on any other google phone.
It sucks too because i heavily rely on magisk due to how good it is on hiding...goodwin_c is my only hope. hanging on a thread here...
If you mention other root hiding methods just know that no...they all suck lol
j_mullet said:
I'm using a 6p with a pixel on the way. I had it working on the 6p with Oreo. I'm pretty sure I had to download an apk as well as flash the zip. Have you done this?
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Zizzy2020 said:
the pixel has a special magisk version because of boot a/b system stuff from my understanding. So it doesn't matter if it works on any other google phone.
It sucks too because i heavily rely on magisk due to how good it is on hiding...goodwin_c is my only hope. hanging on a thread here...
If you mention other root hiding methods just know that no...they all suck lol
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What Zizzy2020 said. It is annoying. I can't wait for the next magisk to be released.
Check out this post, it works like a charm.
My original Pixel XL died completely with a hard brick, no power, no lights, nothing. The refurbished replacement arrived yesterday. It booted up in 7.1.2 and had an update notice to Oreo 8. I did that and was on OPR6 with another update notice to the September security patch. Even with my T-Mobile SIM installed, it installed OPR1 for Project Fi and Canada instead of OPR3. Is that normal?
None of my Play Store apps downloaded and installed. Is that normal or is it because I couldn't sync with my dead phone? Unfortunately all of my recent backups had been to the local SD card, so that is a lesson learned for next time.
I unlocked the bootloader and fastboot flashed OPR3 with no problems, but now my Play Store says it's uncertified. I tried clearing the Play Store data and rebooting, plus several other tips I found online, but nothing fixed it. Is that because of the unlocked bootloader and not being rooted? Rather than doing a factory reset and starting over, if I root with SuperSU and run suhide, will the Play Store be certified again?
Anyone?
It changed back to certified for me. I'm rooted with SuperSU and suhide. I cleared Playstore data, I blocked Playstore, Pay, etc. app's in suhide, then I hid SuperSU and suhide icons, Safetynet passed, and rebooted.
galaxys said:
It changed back to certified for me. I'm rooted with SuperSU and suhide. I cleared Playstore data, I blocked Playstore, Pay, etc. app's in suhide, then I hid SuperSU and suhide icons, Safetynet passed, and rebooted.
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Thanks! I rooted with SuperSU, installed suhide, blocked Play Store, cleared Play Store data and then rebooting fixed it. I have seen that others have had to hide the SuperSU and suhide icons but I didn't have to on either my old phone or this replacement.
JimSmith94 said:
Thanks! I rooted with SuperSU, installed suhide, blocked Play Store, cleared Play Store data and then rebooting fixed it. I have seen that others have had to hide the SuperSU and suhide icons but I didn't have to on either my old phone or this replacement.
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Did you require TWRP to root or is there a way to directly flash SuperSU and suhide from fastboot?
Zwitterion said:
Did you require TWRP to root or is there a way to directly flash SuperSU and suhide from fastboot?
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I don't know if there's a way to root without TWRP. I used the bootable one for Oreo with:
fastboot boot twrp-3-1-pixel-bootable-mod.img
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I don't know if there's a way to root without TWRP. I used the bootable one for Oreo with:
fastboot boot twrp-3-1-pixel-bootable-mod.img
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Could you kindly provide a link to the Oreo compatible TWRP? Also what SuperSu zip did you use?
Thanks so much!!
Zwitterion said:
Could you kindly provide a link to the Oreo compatible TWRP? Also what SuperSu zip did you use?
Thanks so much!!
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You really should be searching and reading for yourself before you try any of this, but here is the TWRP thread with download link: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/development/mod-twrp-recovery-pixel-android-o-dp4-t3651896
I always use the newest SuperSU and suhide, which at the moment are SR4-SuperSU-v2.82-SR4-20170918204844.zip and UPDATE-suhide-v1.08-20170815171034.zip. I'll let you Google those yourself.
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You really should be searching and reading for yourself before you try any of this, but here is the TWRP thread with download link: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/development/mod-twrp-recovery-pixel-android-o-dp4-t3651896
I always use the newest SuperSU and suhide, which at the moment are SR4-SuperSU-v2.82-SR4-20170918204844.zip and UPDATE-suhide-v1.08-20170815171034.zip. I'll let you Google those yourself.
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Thanks!
JimSmith94 said:
You really should be searching and reading for yourself before you try any of this, but here is the TWRP thread with download link: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/development/mod-twrp-recovery-pixel-android-o-dp4-t3651896
I always use the newest SuperSU and suhide, which at the moment are SR4-SuperSU-v2.82-SR4-20170918204844.zip and UPDATE-suhide-v1.08-20170815171034.zip. I'll let you Google those yourself.
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Did you let the phone boot once between application of SuperSu and Suhide?
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Did you let the phone boot once between application of SuperSu and Suhide?
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Haven't you read the threads about all of this? The instructions say to boot in between so that's what I did.
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Haven't you read the threads about all of this? The instructions say to boot in between so that's what I did.
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I have, including the line where Chainfire notes that it may be beneficial to not boot between flashing of these packages depending on how TWRP behaves, which is why I asked you.
Need your help guys. I am running beta 27 with super su V2. 82 SR 5....i heard now magisk is supported in beta 27...how to I unroot supersu, install magisk 14.5(1456) and still pass safety net... I tried searching for a solution everywhere but couldn't find a solution to this..... Please help... :crying:
uutsav said:
Need your help guys. I am running beta 27 with super su V2. 82 SR 5....i heard now magisk is supported in beta 27...how to I unroot supersu, install magisk 14.5(1456) and still pass safety net... I tried searching for a solution everywhere but couldn't find a solution to this..... Please help... :crying:
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It's fairly simple. You will need unsu zip (from SuperSu official thread) and the Magisk zip downloaded where you can easily find it.
Boot to recovery
** create a Backup **
Flash unsu
(Assuming no errors) Flash Magisk
Again assuming no errors, reboot system
In your list of apps you should have a new"Magisk Manager" app and your "SuperSu" should be gone.
Thats it really. Took me a whole of 10 minutes, of which 7 minutes were backup [emoji6]
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It's fairly simple. You will need unsu zip (from SuperSu official thread) and the Magisk zip downloaded where you can easily find it.
Boot to recovery
** create a Backup **
Flash unsu
(Assuming no errors) Flash Magisk
Again assuming no errors, reboot system
In your list of apps you should have a new"Magisk Manager" app and your "SuperSu" should be gone.
Thats it really. Took me a whole of 10 minutes, of which 7 minutes were backup [emoji6]
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And you passed safety net
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And you passed safety net
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Yes! That was my main motivation for switching. That and SuperSu no longer being run by chainfire Trust me Magisk does a far better job than Super Su.
Also worth looking at this URL
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/magisk-101-switch-from-supersu-magisk-pass-safetynet-0177578/
Forgot to mention you will need to uninstall xposed (can be reinstalled after). I don't use xposed.
tropicanapure said:
Yes! That was my main motivation for switching. That and SuperSu no longer being run by chainfire Trust me Magisk does a far better job than Super Su.
Also worth looking at this URL
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/magisk-101-switch-from-supersu-magisk-pass-safetynet-0177578/
Forgot to mention you will need to uninstall xposed (can be reinstalled after). I don't use xposed.
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I tried flashing unsu and it asked me to flash the stock boot image in TWRP.... Any ideas mate..
I am sorry to keep bugging.... But I am lost
Look for boot.img in the ROM zip and flash it.
I was just about to say that myself. See
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63615067
Like the previous post said, you need a pristine boot.img and your ROM zip is the ideal place to find it.
Dirty flash your Beta27 again and it should be clean, THEN reboot and then install Magisk
Now i flashed beta 28, flashed recovery and flashed magisk again... While I was able to flash it... But getting safety net error....
My life is finished...
If you were able to install magisk then you should take this to the official magisk support thread. You are more like to get a better variety of suggestions there.
Just saying.