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[Q] Should I buy a Defy?

I bought my first Defy just before Christmas.
Well I lost my Defy in the Indian Ocean on holiday a couple of weeks ago..... waterproof video
Problem is I really liked the Defy but is it really worth paying for twice £260 x2 ?
What is it like with 2.2 and will it ever get an open bootloader?
Convince me to get another one, because I can't decide.
BTW I'm now using a Nokia 5800, so it may not take too long before I get the urge.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=940683 ...... nice.

Hi!
pdjm43 said:
I bought my first Defy just before Christmas.
Well I lost my Defy in the Indian Ocean on holiday a couple of weeks ago..... waterproof video
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My condolences .
Problem is I really liked the Defy but is it really worth paying for twice £260 x2 ?
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Question is: What are alternatives and what features do you need? If you need waterproof video, the selection is probably limited . 260 Pounds sounds a bit expensive IMHO.
What is it like with 2.2 and will it ever get an open bootloader?
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1.Don't know yet, 2. probably not.
I personally think the phone is worth it's money and it is a solid and reliable device, but because of the locked bootloader I will not buy a Motorola phone again and hence will not convinve you in buying one.

By elementary economics/accountings, your bricked phone is historical and shouldn't be factor in your decision

pdjm43 said:
Problem is I really liked the Defy but is it really worth paying for twice £260 x2 ?
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Why pay so much? On ebay you can find new for 200-220 euros. i found mine for 190

problem resolved
checked on Ebay and put in a bid for £215 on a new sim free Defy and won. Was checking out Samsung Galaxy S as well, they look nice. FTR Nokia 5800 is fairly rubbish, but worth £70.... hello Ebay
The moral here was that we shouldn't be too tight with our money. Or tie string on your phone when in the sea, you choose.
out.

[Q] defy buying help

Hi all,
i am thinking of selling my galaxy ace (1month old) and buying a defy. Though the problem is there is no service center of motorola in my whole state. I am from India. What i want to ask is this-
does this phone has any bugs or shortcomings which may lead me to visit a service center. Samsing galaxy ace has a sod bug.
I really cannot take the risk of buying this phone if it has any bugs which might appear later.
Scanned the forum. Seems like phone can have earpiece issues. Can any Indian user confirm that we are not hving this issue.
About mb525 or mb526, Is there any way to check this on the shop?
Thanks.

seems like mb526 hasn't released yet but there are leaked roms of 526 which are compatible with red lense defy.

If before buying, you can check that the phone has red lens, then there shouldn't be a problem for the earpiece. (most red lens donot have earpiece problems) you can also check by entering the IMEI # on the box, here: moto110.com check if your phone is manufacuted in late jan -feb or later, 2011, then there shouldn't be a problem.
apart from doing something that may brick you phone, there is not a high possibility that may lead you to a service center. Make sure you keep all the ports closed when not using them. ( USB and Headphone slots)
Regarding MB526, there is no official news from moto about that, but there are leaked versions of Gingerbread (2.3.3 & 2.3.4) which have device name set to MB526 by default. This may be a hint to a new Defy+ or Defy2. Just a hint.
In a shop in india, you probably wouldn't be getting defy as MB526. But who knows, maybe the shop is selling defys with 2.3.4 already flashed. Only way to check is by switching it on, then going to system settings to find that out. It would say:
Model number: MB526
Android version: 2.3.4

dude defy is the best handset..i surveyed alot b4 buying this beautiful handset..defy is worth it..dint have any probs till now..and dude motorola has service centre in every city..
MB526 is not yet out in the market...only leaked android 2.3.4 is out which was for mb526(which also runs on mb525).
no ear piece problem till now...everything runs smoothly
btw ACE sucks to be frank...even u will think like me once u use defy with custom ROM

arpith.fbi said:
dude defy is the best handset..i surveyed alot b4 buying this beautiful handset..defy is worth it..dint have any probs till now..and dude motorola has service centre in every city..
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dude moto doesn't even have a single showroom in UP & Uttarakhand, let alone a service center. This was the main reason of me buying ace.
I will be buying defy online. And they have a june model. So I think I am sold. Thanks a lot guys.

praky said:
dude moto doesn't even have a single showroom in UP & Uttarakhand, let alone a service center. This was the main reason of me buying ace.
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moto doesnt have exclusive showroom anywhere in india i guess..but as far as i know they have service centre in all cities..at my place there r 2 service centres..
same case with sony ericsson..they dont have exclusive showroom..coz they cant keep a whole shop just to showcase few mobiles..
i understand that sellers dont keep moto phones after they backed out of indian market..they say no one buys moto..
even i bought online as models were not available at my place..i had to go to bangalore just to see defy with my naked eyes ..to feel it in my hands..but online price was cheaper..so i bought it

arpith.fbi said:
moto doesnt have exclusive showroom anywhere in india i guess..but as far as i know they have service centre in all cities..at my place there r 2 service centres..
same case with sony ericsson..they dont have exclusive showroom..coz they cant keep a whole shop just to showcase few mobiles..
i understand that sellers dont keep moto phones after they backed out of indian market..they say no one buys moto..
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hey dude, how to check for a service center in my city?
no one buys moto because there are no ads. you know i can have near 10 exceptional ads keeping in mind water resistant features of defy.

The biggest complaint I see on the non-us moto forum for Defy Indian users is the phones they're buying for (or from) their carrier are all 2.1.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/50767?tstart=0

[Q] Purchasing a new Phone
I'm also planning to buy Motorola Defy. But am not sure whether it would be a good decision or not. I live in India (presently at Kolkata, but would be shifting to Bangalore in a couple of months).
I have heard that the support of Moto over here is not impressive & I may land into trouble if there are some issues with the phone after the expiry of warranty period (coz many believe that most of the hardware inside moto aren't discrete & thus the whole board needs to be replaced). If this is true, the cost for repairing can be very high!
My second concern is the OS support. I don't know whats MB526 is actually. Do the new phones come with MB526 & no earphone problem?
What are the prerequisites, that I must check before buying this phone?

please guys this is moto and thats samsung !!
how u can compare ??
motorola = benz - bmw -
samsung = kia motor - lifan - ...

hei!how to check my moto defy manufracture date!
i used my imei and all of the code got behind the phone and i duno which one is msn number!
the site require msn number to check the manufracture date!help pls
edit: just checked with msn code on box
it is manufracture on january 2011
suppose not be problem for earpiece rite @@

Finally after a couple of months of deliberation i got my new Defy!
First check was camera lens colour and it was red! A check of the MSN number revealed that mine is manufactured on March 2011
After that i was pretty certain i got the BAYER camera but wanted to check that too so i ran adb and i got:
Code:
07-09 21:24:17.163 1233 1233 D LibCommonCamera: CameraCommon: Detected BAYER device
Gingerbread! Here i come!

Hi football fan, where did you buy from? And @ what price?

Hi football fan..me also looking forward to buy Defy after months of research
Well did u buy it from online..?'m looking it to buy from letsbuy or flipkart..!
and hows u r DeFy??

praky said:
hey dude, how to check for a service center in my city?
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just google
pritishnanda said:
My second concern is the OS support. I don't know whats MB526 is actually. Do the new phones come with MB526 & no earphone problem?
What are the prerequisites, that I must check before buying this phone?
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MB526 is a new defy model which will be released soon..
present defy model number is MB525.
OS support will always be there for defy officially or unofficially
As far as i know earphone problem is not an issue here.. very few people got this problem.
before buying a defy just make sure that it has red lens..coz all the new defy are red lens and will be red lens only.so support will only be fore red lens in future.
All the best

arpith.fbi said:
just google
MB526 is a new defy model which will be released soon..
present defy model number is MB525.
OS support will always be there for defy officially or unofficially
As far as i know earphone problem is not an issue here.. very few people got this problem.
before buying a defy just make sure that it has red lens..coz all the new defy are red lens and will be red lens only.so support will only be fore red lens in future.
All the best
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Dude any confirmation about MB526 releasing??actually 'm planning to buy defy if MB526 come i will wait..
read in some forums that it has speed of 1Ghz with gingerbread OS..
really confused now..

abirokz said:
Dude any confirmation about MB526 releasing??actually 'm planning to buy defy if MB526 come i will wait..
read in some forums that it has speed of 1Ghz with gingerbread OS..
really confused now..
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hardware is same in both mb525 and mb526...CM7 also comes with default overclocked to 1Ghz and gingerbread OS
well cant say when they will release mb526..still development in its OS is going on..final touches..u may have to wait alot !

arpith.fbi said:
hardware is same in both mb525 and mb526...CM7 also comes with default overclocked to 1Ghz and gingerbread OS
well cant say when they will release mb526..still development in its OS is going on..final touches..u may have to wait alot !
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Thanks for the info dude..
Seems to be go with MB525 is a better option i think..
Well MB526 got 1Ghz OMAP "3620" and 1700mAh battery these are the hardware differences i think..

abirokz said:
Thanks for the info dude..
Seems to be go with MB525 is a better option i think..
Well MB526 got 1Ghz OMAP "3620" and 1700mAh battery these are the hardware differences i think..
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not a big difference dude...CM7 in mb525 will deliver btr performance and hardly u may get 2 hrs extra on battery with 1700mAh

arpith.fbi said:
not a big difference dude...CM7 in mb525 will deliver btr performance and hardly u may get 2 hrs extra on battery with 1700mAh
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How will it deliver better performance? Does this oc the cpu to 1GHZ (the same as Gingerbread)?

[Q] Has anyone swapped a Sony display for a Sharp one?

Hi everybody,
I hope something similar hasn't been posted already, if so please forgive me. I've been doing a lot of reading and researching and haven't found an solution to my problem yet.
I accidentally broke the LCD screen in my Internacional HOX.. took it apart to see what Display I need and it came with a Sony Display. Has anybody had one of these in the international version??? All I've read is people having it with the ATT one... Mine is the Tegra3
Right now I'm in Nepal, and can only get the display from UK in a couple of days with a friend that flies in the country. Found some really nice Displays selling in the UK and Germany, contacted sellers but only one was able to respond and say his product was made by Sharp.
my question is... Can I change my Sony display for the Sharp one??? Or will I have syncing problems, color reproduction fault, etc?
I can't really afford to buy one of those expensive displays and send them back, airmail here takes over a month and seller would not replace my display. So I can't really test.
Anyone done this already?
Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated!!!

Garbled metallic sound when filming video

I bought three G5 with 3GB or RAM for myself, wife and mother. The plus model was not available at the time here in Sweden.
All three of the phones have a very strange and in your face garbled metallic sound when filming video. This sound distortion makes video in places where there is natural background noise unbearable. Is there anyway to fix this problem? Am I the only one with this issue? Lost a lot of video of my newly born baby because of this sound issue =(
Thanks

same thing here, G5 3GB RAM and mic sounds like rubbish, seems like the same issue the Nexus 5 had, where the filter were too aggressive and instead ruined the sound. the solution was to completely disable the filter with some kind of patch.

onryo said:
I bought three G5 with 3GB or RAM for myself, wife and mother. The plus model was not available at the time here in Sweden.
All three of the phones have a very strange and in your face garbled metallic sound when filming video. This sound distortion makes video in places where there is natural background noise unbearable. Is there anyway to fix this problem? Am I the only one with this issue? Lost a lot of video of my newly born baby because of this sound issue =(
Thanks
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Upload an example file to mega/yousendit/whatever, please - I'll examine it.

This is from the other day on my own phone. My wife has a zillion videos that sound the exact same way on her phone. This weird noise only shows up if there is background noise.
All three phones have this issues. All three phones are bought here in Sweden:
Moto G5
3GB RAM
16 GB ROM
64 GB SD card
Version: PVT1
SKU: XT1676
Build number: NPP25.137-15
Software Channel: reteu
Baseband Ver: M8937_8000.122.02.40R
Any clue on what this is and how to deal with it? Should I just return all three phones?

onryo said:
This is from the other day on my own phone. My wife has a zillion videos that sound the exact same way on her phone. This weird noise only shows up if there is background noise.
All three phones have this issues. All three phones are bought here in Sweden:
Moto G5
3GB RAM
16 GB ROM
64 GB SD card
Version: PVT1
SKU: XT1676
Build number: NPP25.137-15
Software Channel: reteu
Baseband Ver: M8937_8000.122.02.40R
Any clue on what this is and how to deal with it? Should I just return all three phones?
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I also bought mine in Sweden and I have the same problem...I already contacted Sweden Technical support. Please do the same so they are aware of the incident. If you check lenovo's forum there's more people with the same problem.
You can contact them in motorola rest of europe (roe) section. I'm not allowed to post links :/
Cheers!

jpm92 said:
I also bought mine in Sweden and I have the same problem...I already contacted Sweden Technical support. Please do the same so they are aware of the incident. If you check lenovo's forum there's more people with the same problem.
You can contact them in motorola rest of europe (roe) section. I'm not allowed to post links :/
Cheers!
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I just got a mail back from them saying they are "not aware" of the issue. Could you give us a url what gets around the "not allowd to post links" ie w w w dot xxxxxx/xxxx/ dot com

onryo said:
I just got a mail back from them saying they are "not aware" of the issue. Could you give us a url what gets around the "not allowd to post links" ie w w w dot xxxxxx/xxxx/ dot com
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I tried to workaround the link...lets see again:
motorola-global-en-roe dot custhelp.com/app/utils/prod_guided_assistant/g_id/5027/
If you guys know swedish you can try calling them

jpm92 said:
I tried to workaround the link...lets see again:
motorola-global-en-roe dot custhelp.com/app/utils/prod_guided_assistant/g_id/5027/
If you guys know swedish you can try calling them
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Skit bra
I'll call them tomorrow! Ericsson bought 50 G5 XT1676. All of the phones have that trash background noise when I asked around. I was given a phone but I bought two to give to my family.

onryo said:
Skit bra
I'll call them tomorrow! Ericsson bought 50 G5 XT1676. All of the phones have that trash background noise when I asked around. I was given a phone but I bought two to give to my family.
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They offered me to replace the unit on the mails, but it's obviously a common issue, so there's no point. Maybe they are more understandable on the phone. Also remember to ask if they know when is the spring finally arriving to Sweden
Tack!

jpm92 said:
They offered me to replace the unit on the mails, but it's obviously a common issue, so there's no point. Maybe they are more understandable on the phone. Also remember to ask if they know when is the spring finally arriving to Sweden
Tack!
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lol would be funny as hell if I could get all 50 owners of the phone at work to replace them
Sweden only has two seasons. 1) Dark season 2) Rain season

onryo said:
lol would be funny as hell if I could get all 50 owners of the phone at work to replace them
Sweden only has two seasons. 1) Dark season 2) Rain season
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I'm starting to realize :laugh:
Any news?

jpm92 said:
I'm starting to realize :laugh:
Any news?
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This is what Lenovo had to say. I returned my phones. Some of the others might do the same. Unfortunately for Lenovo Ericsson was going to buy a bunch of Thinkpad X1 Carbon laptops. They are freaking expensive. That is not going to happen now since Ericsson is afraid that Lenovo will not back up its products with fw updates.
Customer Reference number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Dear XXXXXXXXXXX,
I am writing to you regarding your Moto G 5 phones. The Repairs Department have reviewed your case and have unfortunately not been able to find a satisfactory solution to this sound distortion problem.
Please rest assured that this issue has been duly reported to the relevant department and it will hopefully be resolved in a future update. Regretfully, we are unable to provide any timeframe for future updates. I would therefore recommend that you return your Moto G 5 phones to the retailer to request a refund.
We would like to thank you for your patience and understanding in this matter. We are terribly sorry for any inconvenience that this has caused. For any further assistance or information please do not hesitate to get in touch with us.
We are reachable on 03339 997 550 to discuss the matter further with one of our experienced customer service agents. Please contact us any time between the hours of 8am and 6pm from Monday to Friday.
Thank you for contacting Lenovo-Motorola. I hope you have a nice afternoon.
Kind regards,
Xica
Lenovo & Motorola Mobility UK Ltd.

Just finding this thread. I bought a G5 in Denmark a few weeks ago. I've noticed the same issue. I think it's either a over aggressive noise reduction scheme they've incorporated, or a result of low quality mp4 audio bitrate for recording. Probably a combination of these. Have you found a thread on Lenovo - Motorola that I can find more info about this on? Cheers,

Damn, I'm starting to evaluate the possibility of giving it back and get another one (obviously not Lenovo). Screw them, couldnt they just release a update for it? I record a lot of videos usually and this is really annoying...
Thanks for the update though

Hey, looked into it some more. I used the Cinema FV-5 app and found that by disabling the "Automatic Gain Control" of the microphone the sounds are recorded more clearly.
So, the metallic garbled sounds are most likely largely due to an overly aggressive AGC setting on the native camera app combined with whatever settings they have on audio conversion.
Wouldn't it be nice if Moto made an update to the camera app so that you could disable the automatic gain control if you wanted to....

I talked to Motorola Support and they told me they're already working on it, but they can't give me any date. At least I know it will be fixed at some point.

I am on day 1 of my G5 testing, and yes, I also experience this horrendous "Finding Nemo" underwater sound, caused by overly aggressive audio filtering and/or AGC. FIX IT LENOVO!
onryo said:
This is what Lenovo had to say. I returned my phones. Some of the others might do the same. Unfortunately for Lenovo Ericsson was going to buy a bunch of Thinkpad X1 Carbon laptops. They are freaking expensive. That is not going to happen now since Ericsson is afraid that Lenovo will not back up its products with fw updates.
Customer Reference number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Dear XXXXXXXXXXX,
I am writing to you regarding your Moto G 5 phones. The Repairs Department have reviewed your case and have unfortunately not been able to find a satisfactory solution to this sound distortion problem.
Please rest assured that this issue has been duly reported to the relevant department and it will hopefully be resolved in a future update. Regretfully, we are unable to provide any timeframe for future updates. I would therefore recommend that you return your Moto G 5 phones to the retailer to request a refund.
We would like to thank you for your patience and understanding in this matter. We are terribly sorry for any inconvenience that this has caused. For any further assistance or information please do not hesitate to get in touch with us.
We are reachable on 03339 997 550 to discuss the matter further with one of our experienced customer service agents. Please contact us any time between the hours of 8am and 6pm from Monday to Friday.
Thank you for contacting Lenovo-Motorola. I hope you have a nice afternoon.
Kind regards,
Xica
Lenovo & Motorola Mobility UK Ltd.
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Don't abandon a potential ThinkPad purchase decision based on crappy consumer mobile phone product lines. The business-oriented ThinkPad laptops are superb - I have three ThinkPads here - R61, T430 and an R500, and as a service engineer who ONLY deals with quality equipment, let me tell you, you won't find better laptop hardware from ANY company. The "ThinkPad" range is a continuation from IBM's original line of ThinkPads, and they are the only laptops fully tested, approved, and signed off for use on NASA and ISS missions - that's how robust and dependable they are - the stuff of legends. The consumer <blah>Pad products are not worth a donkey turd, but the "ThinkPad" lines are hot stuff my friend, ANYONE worth their salt will back me up on this view, it's a given - they are built like tanks with carbon fibre composite, glass fibre reinforced plastic, and magnesium alloy construction - not the usual creaky, paper-thin plastic crap palmed off on the vanity market, aka consumers.
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jpm92 said:
I talked to Motorola Support and they told me they're already working on it, but they can't give me any date. At least I know it will be fixed at some point.
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"We heard your feedback and assure you we are seeking to resolve this issue"
The usual line from "The Corporate BS handbook"

mbwf said:
I am on day 1 of my G5 testing, and yes, I also experience this horrendous "Finding Nemo" underwater sound, caused by overly aggressive audio filtering and/or AGC. FIX IT LENOVO!
Don't abandon a potential ThinkPad purchase decision based on crappy consumer mobile phone product lines. The business-oriented ThinkPad laptops are superb
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No doubt the Thinkpad X1 Carbon is a really nice laptop. Its just the buyers for Ericsson want nothing to do with Lenovo now. Instead that department bought 25 'Dell XPS 15 9560' =(
Looks like the G5 is now has some ROMS! Yayyyy!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/g5/development
Somebody on IRC pointed out a work around for the video sound issues.

[Q] ghost touch in two different devices z2 play XT1710-07

hello all xda members. i have just purchased moto z2 play from store, in the very same day it started the ghost touch problem. i thought it was the screen protector, removed and the problem continued. after that I realized the device was defective, went back to the store, requested an exchange (in here we have 7 days grace period for defects). when the next device came and I already knew better. I tried to leave the device in the the charger for one hour and tried to use it while the charger was connected and voila: the problem occurs again in the new device.
both devices were brand new, bought at a very well known and respected store franchise, i have been using this store many years already and usually no problems related with their electronics. so i can scrap a problem from their side. it is a factory problem.
i have uploaded a screen record video for this error: https://youtu.be/BkbwPksg1Vs
I have seen in the forums the same problem occurring in different devices either with IPS or AMOLED screens such as: sony Xperia Z2, sony Xperia XA, HTC One X, Moto G4 Plus (I had one and never had a problem!) Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge and maybe more.
1-Other than a hardware problem, do you think this is a wide spread problem for android? any reports for iphone?
2-i will return the defective device, sure. i am thinking about exchange it for the Zenfone 3 Zoom, because it has same price and very similar characteristics. or should I try one more time the same device?
3-any other suggestions?
I have 5 days to make a decision.
Thank you all!

The first batch off the production line was probably bad. That's probably why Brazil was the first place to get the phone and why my phone was two weeks late to arrive.
If you don't use or plan on using Mods, buy a phone with a better camera.
Sent from my Moto Z2 Play using Tapatalk

Solved!
hello all,
my problem was related to a third-party charger from AUKEY model PA-T14 generating the error in all of its three USB outputs. Using original charger from Motorola, no problems after a week of testing. Thank you for the help.
best regards,

PiousInquisitor said:
The first batch off the production line was probably bad. That's probably why Brazil was the first place to get the phone and why my phone was two weeks late to arrive.
If you don't use or plan on using Mods, buy a phone with a better camera.
Sent from my Moto Z2 Play using Tapatalk
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Is the Z2 Play camera that bad?
I'm planning to buy this.