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[Q] WinRT tablet as second monitor via Wifi?

Has anyone out there heard of any apps for WinRT that enable you to use the Surface or other RT tab as a second monitor via wifi? I'm thinking along the lines of DiplayLink, Air Display, MaxiVista, etc. for iPad.
I really need something like this, and if no one else is doing it, I'm going to have to put my dev shoes back on and write one. I can't beleive that this hasn't been done yet, but maybe there are some barriers on the WinRT OS side that make this tougher than I'm assuming?
Cheers.

jasonk910 said:
Has anyone out there heard of any apps for WinRT that enable you to use the Surface or other RT tab as a second monitor via wifi? I'm thinking along the lines of DiplayLink, Air Display, MaxiVista, etc. for iPad.
I really need something like this, and if no one else is doing it, I'm going to have to put my dev shoes back on and write one. I can't beleive that this hasn't been done yet, but maybe there are some barriers on the WinRT OS side that make this tougher than I'm assuming?
Cheers.
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Please do shout if you find one - I could use that as well
//M

Id pay at least 10$ for this app- and im sure that a lot of others would be willing to do the same. Allow me to use my ipad as a 2nd monitor with my Surface - Id pay 20$

You should be able to install a virtual graphics card (similar to http://www.zoneos.com/zonescreen.htm) and then extend the virtual display it gives you over VNC to the VNC client on Windows RT.
I haven't tried/played with that, though.

netham45 said:
You should be able to install a virtual graphics card (similar to http://www.zoneos.com/zonescreen.htm) and then extend the virtual display it gives you over VNC to the VNC client on Windows RT.
I haven't tried/played with that, though.
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This looks intriguing - but the warnings about windows 7 blue screen have me a little worried to even attempt to use it using windows 8. Id love to hear if this works - Im not willing to be the guinea pig - I had enough problems getting windows 8 to work on my Thinkpad with unsupported AMD ATI graphics drivers. As it is - I lost all of my power settings, and have no idea how to get them back - Ive seen a forum post recommend a repair installation of windows 8, but I am not confident. I have everything working, all of my software works, my RDP works, I just don't want to screw it up now.

jasonk910 said:
Has anyone out there heard of any apps for WinRT that enable you to use the Surface or other RT tab as a second monitor via wifi? I'm thinking along the lines of DiplayLink, Air Display, MaxiVista, etc. for iPad.
I really need something like this, and if no one else is doing it, I'm going to have to put my dev shoes back on and write one. I can't beleive that this hasn't been done yet, but maybe there are some barriers on the WinRT OS side that make this tougher than I'm assuming?
Cheers.
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I have searched google and found something for code:
1.DXGI :hardware acceleratedI desktop duplication on windows 8.its really fast.http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/windowsdesktop/Desktop-Duplication-Sample-da4c696a
2.hardware acceleratedI media foundation encoder.
3.hardware acceleratedI media foundation decoder and renderer.
I know little code and I hope you can write one.that will be great.

I would love to have this option as well. Is there a way to do it via the hdmi? My pc has hdmi and vga out. I have a monitor hooked up through vga. So would I be able to put the surface in the hdmi spot or is the mini on the surface just out not in?

Droopydroors said:
I would love to have this option as well. Is there a way to do it via the hdmi? My pc has hdmi and vga out. I have a monitor hooked up through vga. So would I be able to put the surface in the hdmi spot or is the mini on the surface just out not in?
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It's out only

Seriously need this. I would pay good $$ for an app like this. Please let us know if you make one or find one.

[Request] Getting Linux Distro Assistance

Made this thread so I can stop spamming the other threads with my annoying questions.
This thread is pointed towards someone that can help out by telling us how to get a Linux Distro runnning specifically on Fire TV.
So if anyone knows how,please assist us by doing so.
My main goal is to get a Linux distro with the extra capability of running Windows programs like PJ64 and many other great Windows programs.
First thing is,I need to know which one is absolutely the best one for running Windows programs at top performance through VM,Wine,etc.
I need this really,really badly.
*talks in your ear*
Really,really,badly.

retroben said:
Made this thread so I can stop spamming the other threads with my annoying questions.
This thread is pointed towards someone that can help out by telling us how to get a Linux Distro runnning specifically on Fire TV.
So if anyone knows how,please assist us by doing so.
My main goal is to get a Linux distro with the extra capability of running Windows programs like PJ64 and many other great Windows programs.
First thing is,I need to know which one is absolutely the best one for running Windows programs at top performance through VM,Wine,etc.
I need this really,really badly.
*talks in your ear*
Really,really,badly.
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Why do you need PJ64? is there some n64 game you are super obsessed with? most of the android emulators work very well on most games

Banjo-Tooie runs slower on Android than on PJ64,always causes a random exit,and always freezes when trying to enter the unga cave.
With PJ64,I should get much better speed and never have the same Mupen related issues.
I also have a bad experience of Majora's Mask getting its save data permanently corrupted time and time again on any edition of Mupen for Android.
There is also tons of benefits with not only Linux,but Windows usage as well.
I can do thing that the Android OS can't do such as:Multiple Windowed programs,yellow highlight text and better flash in a web browser,and more importantly,the right click function using my K400r for things like Flash Player real-time quality toggle.
Hopefully all of these things can work when done on a Fire TV with Linux plus Windows non-emulation.
I do have a massive 32GB USB stick for storing whatever I need.
I also hope someone finds the actual Fire TV equivalent to the USB stick mounting function so you no longer need to use a seperate app to mount/unmount your storage manually.

You do realize that the Fire TV runs on an ARM cpu, not x86, right?

It will be very cool, if we can run linux on fire tv.
I found other krait boxes works well, so I have a hope.

Since it might not even get that far if I don't,here's some links to one nice thing,especially since now it made all features free and removed all ads. (even though I can block them with AdBlock Plus)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
And the main website...
http://linuxonandroid.org/
I hope to at least get a fully enough functional Linux for the desktop computer charm with right clicking for a real context menu.
Maybe there is a Windows lover's Linux Distro for any other method that looks and almost feels exactly like Windows XP or Win7.
Edit:Also,the XDA development thread for it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009
And the Q&A thread as well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2161234

If anyone ever finds out how to get any form of Linux running,we will also need a way to delete the massive 2GB of Amazon's video caching to make up for the large amount of space needed for the Linux installation.
I still have a burning desire for desktop quality functionality on my Fire TV.
I am sure that many others might feel the same way.
In some wild dilusional chance,does anyone think that goat simulator (at least the older one) could run on Fire TV (then again,newer versions can be more polished) if we got access to running Windows programs?

retroben said:
If anyone ever finds out how to get any form of Linux running,we will also need a way to delete the massive 2GB of Amazon's video caching to make up for the large amount of space needed for the Linux installation.
I still have a burning desire for desktop quality functionality on my Fire TV.
I am sure that many others might feel the same way.
In some wild dilusional chance,does anyone think that goat simulator (at least the older one) could run on Fire TV (then again,newer versions can be more polished) if we got access to running Windows programs?
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As someone pointed out earlier even if we get linux your odds of running winxx are pretty slim as we are on an arm architecture.
Any VM type situation would only work for arm code and there is no windows arm. (well a long time ago there was an arm NT).

[Q] Full Windows 8.1 or 10 (x86, not WinPho) on Asus ZenFone 2

I know this question will come with some confused comments and answers... so Ill ask the question and qualify my question with some examples why I am asking and of what I am not asking.
Question: What is the likelihood of getting/shoehorning Full x86 Windows 10 (or 8.1 until 10 releases) onto this phone?
Qualifying statements:
1. I am not asking about Windows Phone OS at all. Everyone knows Microsoft screwed the pooch during their shift from Windows Mobile 6.5 to Windows Phone 7 then again from Windows Phone 7 to Windows Phone 8. That is why so many of us jumped ship from Microsoft's Phone offerings over to Android in 2010. This is 5 years later and Microsoft might be able to get some market share back, but only if they pull their head out of their a$$....
2. (Example of irrelevant answer... Why do you want full Windows when there is Win RT or WinPho???lol!!!!LMFAO!!!! TrolllFACE!!!)
There are plenty of usage cases to justify full x86 Windows on a mobile device. Microsoft and Intel are pushing on the tablet market but for some reason they have not begun to crack the phone market with Full WinTel.... Simply put, If someone is willing to pick up a Windows 8.1 x86 tablet with 1GB or 2GB of RAM for $200 or $300 bucks then they should be ok picking up a similar device with 4GB of RAM and the ability to make calls.
3. (Another example of irrelevant answer...But Android!!!! It rulz!!!)
First off I am an avid android user. We started with My wife and I getting the EVO 4G in 2010, then EVO 3D in 2011 (I know...), then Note 2 in 2012, and My wife switching out the Note 2 for the Huawei Ascend Mate 2 last year. Im holding on to my Note 2 for the final stretch with its 9300 mAh Zero Lemon battery. All phones we've gotten have been rooted and customized by me. I use Bluestacks and/or Andy OS on all of my Windows PCs and have owned several Android Tablets. In short I prefer Android over Windows phone and iOS and whatever else is out there... Now in saying that, I feel a full Windows device in a phone with sufficient processor and RAM would be able to run Windows as its main OS and Android as an emulator to satisfy my Android needs.

Very well put, I'm also interested in this.
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Also interested in this!

I think this needs Microsoft's direct support. IMHO these are some blockades the community will be met with:
1. Since Android uses a boot.img as stage2, some work have to be done for the boot image to be able to chainload Windows. Vanilla installation goes out of the equation.
2. Figuring out how to chainload a proprietary OS properly is, well, hard.
3. It seems like the device uses some special Intel modem and wireless chipset. Porting won't be easy (Look at Intel PRO...)
4. Although 5.5in is GIGANTIC for a phone, maybe explorer or metro won't be able to fit in it?
5. Onboard storage is lackluster to host a full desktop Windows.
6. Windows doesn't even have a dialer.
But generally, this is a great idea! Being able to run x86 apps on a phone, oh the feels!

I'd be very interested if it would run full x86 or x64 Windows! However as stated, I doubt that will happen.
Even then it would be a bit limited and the main issue I would imagine to be space. The screen is quite small for a 1080p window to display on. I'd want to probably run a 720p res for larger buttons and such, might fit a bit better.
Perhaps if you could have it all run off a memory card, but then it would be rather slow to boot and cache stuff?

Here check out this small presentation. Something could be possible with the virtualization extensions that intel processor has.

This totally depends on :
- how well Asus releases the source code.
- Bootloader unlockable or not, i.e. ways to work around the secure boot.
I tried similar things on Lenovo K900 which is running Z2580. Lenovo's open source release was just horrible since even building the kernel was difficult due to lack of info.
I was able to eventually built the kernel with KVM enabled, but was having trouble signing the kernel for the bootloader.
Just force loading the kvm.ko was not successful either since the stock kernel had some feature missing required by KVM.
I would be interested to work on this phone again if we can form a group.
kazuken said:
Here check out this small presentation. Something could be possible with the virtualization extensions that intel processor has.
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chinabull said:
This totally depends on :
- how well Asus releases the source code.
- Bootloader unlockable or not, i.e. ways to work around the secure boot.
I tried similar things on Lenovo K900 which is running Z2580. Lenovo's open source release was just horrible since even building the kernel was difficult due to lack of info.
I was able to eventually built the kernel with KVM enabled, but was having trouble signing the kernel for the bootloader.
Just force loading the kvm.ko was not successful either since the stock kernel had some feature missing required by KVM.
I would be interested to work on this phone again if we can form a group.
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sure we can start a group on slack.com
some other things that also come to my mind:
wine for x86
docker for x86
debian chroot
wine already has some ARM support

This would likely be much easier... Notice the 'high end' system reqs?
http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet/operators-and-oems
I think the biggest problem for Windows would be wrestling with the PowerVR-based gpu.. Those stupid things are usually a roadblock in just about every interesting project..

kazuken said:
sure we can start a group on slack.com
some other things that also come to my mind:
wine for x86
docker for x86
debian chroot
wine already has some ARM support
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Sorry for ressurecting this old thread but you would definitely be able to run Linux X86 on chroot. Then through wine you'd be able to run a lot of windows apps. Only issue is that performance would be low *unless* you'd output the GUI to android's framebuffer (FB0) which would require a kernel supporting this (outputting to framebuffer) which in turn would need Asus releasing the kernel sources so that to bake FB support.
So yeah it's all doable even with relatively good performance and by outputting the image (through MHL or chromecast) into the big screen would give us a X86 PC on the go. In fact I'd prefer it from running windows X86 natively because then you'd be losing calls and notifications... Imagine your *phone* running all your PC's software (well almost all as wine often has issues). You can buy one of those 128gb micro sds and your "phone" would have plenty of space for your (PC) data...

Stevethegreat said:
Sorry for ressurecting this old thread but you would definitely be able to run Linux X86 on chroot. Then through wine you'd be able to run a lot of windows apps. Only issue is that performance would be low *unless* you'd output the GUI to android's framebuffer (FB0) which would require a kernel supporting this (outputting to framebuffer) which in turn would need Asus releasing the kernel sources so that to bake FB support.
So yeah it's all doable even with relatively good performance and by outputting the image (through MHL or chromecast) into the big screen would give us a X86 PC on the go. In fact I'd prefer it from running windows X86 natively because then you'd be losing calls and notifications... Imagine your *phone* running all your PC's software (well almost all as wine often has issues). You can buy one of those 128gb micro sds and your "phone" would have plenty of space for your (PC) data...
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I tried it out. you can get GNUroot and GNUroot wheezy x86 on play store. I was able to get fluxbox with tightvncserver running (though no apps, but was able to get an image in vnc) i am now going to try lxde and then see if nomachine 4.0 will work. wine should be able to run photoshop cs2.

kazuken said:
I tried it out. you can get GNUroot and GNUroot wheezy x86 on play store. I was able to get fluxbox with tightvncserver running (though no apps, but was able to get an image in vnc) i am now going to try lxde and then see if nomachine 4.0 will work. wine should be able to run photoshop cs2.
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Problem with running your gui on a VNC server is that it is slow. It's (far) easier to setup though.
On my android machines I prefer to (basically) output an X Server window on the (machine's) frame buffer. You get real time performance (almost the same as if you had installed the OS natively), plus you get sound which is useful if one wants to run sound and video editing software (or plainly listen to music ). It's (quite) harder to setup but it has all been streamlined lately by a play store app named linuxdeploy (IIRC it has added X86 distros support lately).

Yeah... Don't use vnc, use xserver-xsdl . It's in the app store. Best Android X server. In your chroot, export DISPLAY=:0 after starting it up.
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ycavan said:
Yeah... Don't use vnc, use xserver-xsdl . It's in the app store. Best Android X server. In your chroot, export DISPLAY=:0 after starting it up.
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That's a great solution too! Hadn't thought to recommend it. It's easy to setup too.
Still outputting directly to framebuffer instead of an xserver app is quite faster (even than that!). But I'd expect the Xserver-XSDL performance to be quite good too.

OMG, this is SO interesting. I have been looking forward to put windows desktop in my phone since ages. Virtualization never let you go any further than Winxp. But now, this is another story. I am thinking of getting one of my own to help with the testing
Keep it up guys!

I ran photoshop cs2, via xserver xsdl, takes a while to load but eventually does, but its very hard to drag windows via xserver xsdl. i tried with vnc and was able to open a picture taken from the zenfone's camera and adjust levels. its alot easier to use a physical mouse and keyboard. but here are some screenshots of it running all on the android. it took brute force to create the x with the paintbrush and to drag a window. I ran it at 720p, also at 1080p. photoshop loads a lot quicker using xserver xsdl vs vnc.

You can change mouse settings when you start up xserver-xsdl. By default it's set up like the screen is a laptop touch pad.
The other thing you might want to try is a different Windows manager. I prefer fvwm2 since it's very light.
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*irrelevant reply alert*
This takes me back to running Linux on the Windows-based XDA Exec. Those were the days.
Anyway, this is a great idea and you're finding some interesting workarounds, but I think you should be looking to get Windows to run natively. Sure, it doesn't have a dialler, but I'm sure someone can hook something up - especially if the interface is anything like the old Voice Modems from when we could only get our internets at 56kbps. (You kids don't know you're born! In my day, etc)
Meanwhile, in the Enterprise world where we try to reduce the costs of people having a whole processor each that they carry around with them, we're looking at using PCoIP to deliver a PC experience on a tablet. Sure, it's a little laggy (we're talking milliseconds on WiFi, though) but you get a lot of processing power, and if you're using Amazon you'll get NVidia rendering too. That's more for workstation graphics - CAD etc, rather than gaming. But then, if you're looking at installing Windows on a Phone, you're probably not going to be trying to play GTA5 on it.
Again, this reply is irrelevant because I realise you probably don't want to shell out $20-$40 per month on a virtual machine with a full Office suite. Plus, it's less fun to play with and not quite as much of an achievement to have set up something that works out of the box.

Native Linux 64 bit maybe, you get a much better OS, customizable, better resources management, open source, faster and waste less battery plus you can create your own mobile friendly interface just like Ubuntu Touch. Someone said it might be possible to port dialer, modem and other driver's concept since android is linux based. Microsoft is a handicapped development private code and as linux creator affirmed, its therefore a crappy OS lol There is steam on linux and it can run OpenGL games faster with the same hw due to uncluttered OS.
The hardest part will be GPU acceleration.

aziz07 said:
Native Linux 64 bit maybe, you get a much better OS, customizable, better resources management, open source, faster and waste less battery plus you can create your own mobile friendly interface just like Ubuntu Touch. Someone said it might be possible to port dialer, modem and other driver's concept since android is linux based. Microsoft is a handicapped development private code and as linux creator affirmed, its therefore a crappy OS lol There is steam on linux and it can run OpenGL games faster with the same hw due to uncluttered OS.
The hardest part will be GPU acceleration.
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The .Net Framework is already Open Source. It's likely Windows 10 will go Open Source at some point. It's said to be the "last version of Windows" - probably similarly to the way MacOS X hasn't been replaced with MacOS XI. (There will still be a market for desktops when we have 128bit CPUs, and they won't just stick with the same 64bit kernel.)

Run MySQL server on AFTV?

I'm thinking of alternatives to my current setup--running MySQL for a unified library on my Macbook. It works great but I put a lot of money into it and don't want it running 24/7. I've never tried apps like Servers Ultimate Pro or KSWEB but both claim to have php, mysql among other things. AFTV is hardwired and I think it'd be more than powerful enough but I'd rather get some input before I attempt it. Anyone given these apps a try? Thanks
BTW--If you're thinking of attempting it you need to be rooted. I just have doubts because I haven't heard anyone talking about this but the apps have been around awhile.

KLit75 said:
I'm thinking of alternatives to my current setup--running MySQL for a unified library on my Macbook. It works great but I put a lot of money into it and don't want it running 24/7. I've never tried apps like Servers Ultimate Pro or KSWEB but both claim to have php, mysql among other things. AFTV is hardwired and I think it'd be more than powerful enough but I'd rather get some input before I attempt it. Anyone given these apps a try? Thanks
BTW--If you're thinking of attempting it you need to be rooted. I just have doubts because I haven't heard anyone talking about this but the apps have been around awhile.
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Sure. Why not. Linux is linux. If you can get a properly compiled mysql, go for it.

rbox said:
Sure. Why not. Linux is linux. If you can get a properly compiled mysql, go for it.
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Thanks rbox. I guess it must just be a question of which brand of linux. They vary slightly in terms of what system your on(set up process for mysql) But Ill play around with it when i have a little spare time. Thanks again!

2017 Shield controller mapping problems with PC

I just got the new Shield TV and have been very pleased with it so far. However, I use Gamestream a lot and the only way I have even been able to eliminate input lag from the controller is by connecting it directly to the streaming PC rather than through the shield device. Well this would work as intended, but I found that the new controller has messed up maps when connected directly to the pc. For example when you press down on the left analog stick it registers as a trigger pull or somehting.
I was looking for the config files on my PC to see if I could manually fix the problkem, but found ntohing. I assume the nVidia devs will fix this in a patch, as their controller is awesome and I see people buying it for gaming in general. I am going to post this on the Nvidia forums as well.
Does anyone know where the config file might be so that I can make the adjustments? I also tried third party software but it was super clunky and didn't work like I imagined.

I have the same issue. If you make any progress in the matter, please update.

bahnean006 said:
I have the same issue. If you make any progress in the matter, please update.
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You'll know the moment I do. I have a post on Nvidia and will be trying to fix it myself. I need to find the configuration file saved on my pc and modify it.

seh6183 said:
You'll know the moment I do. I have a post on Nvidia and will be trying to fix it myself. I need to find the configuration file saved on my pc and modify it.
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Alright awesome thanks.
I've tried speaking with nvida support through e-mail but I'm not sure they know what I'm talking about. I really like the new controller and would love to use it both with my shield and pc interchangeably. The old shield remote has zero issues on my pc but its just not comfortable enough to use longer then 30 minutes.