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I am not an Apple Fanboy. I do not own an iPhone, ever.
But seeing Apple Pay in video, I think Apple really understand what it takes to use NFC. Having to unlock your phone and/or enter a pin before tapping the phone to the NFC reader is more hassle then swiping a credit card and sign.
Yes thanks for the troll!
Oh and you really want anyone that gets their hands on your phone to also be able to spend your cash?
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curioct said:
Yes thanks for the troll!
Oh and you really want anyone that gets their hands on your phone to also be able to spend your cash?
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No trolling. I don't own and not planning to buy any iPhone, iPod, iPad, AppleTV nor Apple Watch.
There has to be a better way to authorize an NFC transaction then entering a PIN. Face unlock, voice signature comes to mind.
I like the security of entering a pin before authorizing the transaction. If someone steals my phone, they can go tapping all over town spending my money.
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I like the security of entering a pin before authorizing the transaction. If someone steals my phone, they can go tapping all over town spending my money.
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How about having the security yet not have to enter a PIN on a bright 5-inch screen in front of strangers?
IMO,
1. NFC on Android should work without having to unlock, like checking-in.
2. Wallet service should allow easier yet secure authentication. Like face unlock, voice recognition, even tap code!
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How about having the security yet not have to enter a PIN on a bright 5-inch screen in front of strangers?
IMO,
1. NFC on Android should work without having to unlock, like checking-in.
2. Wallet service should allow easier yet secure authentication. Like face unlock, voice recognition, even tap code!
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Strangers should not be that close to me in line to see me enter my code, whether it's the PIN pad at the register or my phone. Period. Shouldn't be that close anyway if I'm doing something on my phone, it's none of anybody's business to be snooping. That's considered my personal space, and you will get some F-bombs for being too close.
The idea of not having to authenticate without having to enter something is just not secure to me. And I sure as heck don't want to use voice recognition to tell everyone within earshot what my authentication code or whatever is.
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Strangers should not be that close to me in line to see me enter my code, whether it's the PIN pad at the register or my phone. Period. Shouldn't be that close anyway if I'm doing something on my phone, it's none of anybody's business to be snooping. That's considered my personal space, and you will get some F-bombs for being too close.
The idea of not having to authenticate without having to enter something is just not secure to me. And I sure as heck don't want to use voice recognition to tell everyone within earshot what my authentication code or whatever is.
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Then we get a newer version of google glass with sensors on the earpieces that press against your head and takes brainwaves. You "Think" of the code or passphrase, it gets then taken in by the sensor, encrypted, sent wirelessly to your device, decrypted, authenticated and you pay. As fast as a "thought", well some might have problems but that's another story.
Who will know your code then?... Well atleast until you find some or other method to read peoples minds.
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Strangers should not be that close to me in line to see me enter my code, whether it's the PIN pad at the register or my phone. Period. Shouldn't be that close anyway if I'm doing something on my phone, it's none of anybody's business to be snooping. That's considered my personal space, and you will get some F-bombs for being too close.
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There is a reason the pin pad on check out line has a small barrier. People can see what you type from the side. I can easily see the pattern or the PIN other people use to unlock their phone from a distance because their screen is so large and bright. Well outside of their "personal space". This is because PIN entry has a dilemma, it must display the pin pad that the user can see and large enough for the user's fat finger to touch.
The idea of not having to authenticate without having to enter something is just not secure to me. And I sure as heck don't want to use voice recognition to tell everyone within earshot what my authentication code or whatever is.
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No one suggested authentication is not needed. Voice recognition is not the same as voice signature. Say, the phone can display a random word and you read it to the phone. The phone knows your voice. This is better than entering the same PIN over and over again.
We should be able to configure our own restrictions.
I'd make $20 and below work without unlocking or entering a PIN. and only twice in an hour. Anything over $20 would need my PIN.
PIN Settings
You can set your pin to have a timeout of 15 minutes, 1 day, or never in Google Wallet. This seems like a good compromise. If you have it at one day, you can enter it before you leave your house, or your car, etc...
Biometrics
Biometrics really need hardware integration to be both convenient and secure. The reason Apple added the fingerprint reader in the iPhone 5s is that Apple makes you authenticate for EVERYTHING. In order to store keychain passwords on the iPhone requires that you use a pin on the unlock screen, and from there it's a combo of pin and password for every single thing. Download an app? Password. Change security settings? pin. Download a song? password. Without both a pin and a password for a secured iPhone you never have access to the whole thing but it's a huge pain in the ass.
Enter touch ID- you can register up to 5 finger prints to unlock it and purchase apps and songs- the most common tasks- and now to use NFC pay. It turns the previously annoying security into a simple tap-to-unlock affair. It's silent, it's instantaneous and it is completely private, and it still doesn't give you access to the whole phone. You still have to put in the PIN every time it restarts, and password for certain things. And even if someone gets a hold of the phone, the PIN, the password and the fingerprints, the owner can brick the device remotely with find my iPhone and have it beam its location to Apple until the battery runs out and blacklist its ESN. - I think that's what the OP is talking about when he says that only Apple "gets" NFC Payment- a ****pot worth of security made totally effortless.
I hate to say it but NFC- especially payments- on Android makes me nervous as hell. I like Android for its openness and the ability to customize it and get root access if I want to and make full use of my phone- but I and a lot of other people don't have time to take the security precautions that are necessary for NFC. Apple kind of bubble wraps its users and when it comes to paying for stuff with my phone and that huge unknown, as of now, I'd prefer to be bubble wrapped and pay for stuff with a couple of highly secure taps. Even with voice or face recognition locks- things that can be accomplished in software, without standardizing hardware, it requires a certain locking down of the OS and negates a lot of the appeal of Android.
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nookin said:
How about having the security yet not have to enter a PIN on a bright 5-inch screen in front of strangers?
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You don't have to. Wallet allows setting the Wallet relock timeout to be as long as 24 hours.
IMHO Apple's implementation of Biometrics is the best so far. That, coupled with the ease of Apple pay makes it the most safe and elegant implementation so far. If nfc payments have to take off, this is the way to do it!
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There is a reason the pin pad on check out line has a small barrier. People can see what you type from the side. I can easily see the pattern or the PIN other people use to unlock their phone from a distance because their screen is so large and bright. Well outside of their "personal space". This is because PIN entry has a dilemma, it must display the pin pad that the user can see and large enough for the user's fat finger to touch.
No one suggested authentication is not needed. Voice recognition is not the same as voice signature. Say, the phone can display a random word and you read it to the phone. The phone knows your voice. This is better than entering the same PIN over and over again.
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What if the place you're using it in is very noisy or has a lot of background chatter? How will it be able to recognize your voice under those conditions? Also voice signature sounds a lot like something that would have an annoyingly high failure rate.
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What if the place you're using it in is very noisy or has a lot of background chatter? How will it be able to recognize your voice under those conditions? Also voice signature sounds a lot like something that would have an annoyingly high failure rate.
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It is similar to what you do when voice dialing does not work. You can always fall back to PIN entry.
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You don't have to. Wallet allows setting the Wallet relock timeout to be as long as 24 hours.
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That is a very bad workaround. You are essentially giving up security. It is like you are tired of using key to unlock a door that you decided to leave the door unlocked, for 24 hours.
I think you're all taking this security thing a little too seriously. I've been using paypass contactless credit card for years now, and I love that it doesn't need any authentication up to $20. Above that it needs the PIN. I think this is the way to go, fingerprint is not bad either.
Well that may be the case but you have to remember that nfc is still new technology. Android has been using if for years (android phones). In all of that time it took apple like 5 years to make a iphone that has specs even worth mentioning. Also android has google wallet a nfc payment system like apple pay. So really it comes down to who can have more features in the long run. On samsung phones theres samsung wallet and im pretty sure on the s5 it uses fingerprint as well.
I've always been a privacy advocate and been knowledgeable about those law that protect us. After finding out judges can compel you to use your fingerprints to unlock your phone but compel you to give your password to unlock your phone/ your information, I've been looking to see if you can combine the two. I haven't found any yet but I thought someone here might now.
Is there a way require both a fingerprint and password/pattern/pin to unlock your phone every time? Would I have to download an app or something else? Is this even possible without me doing the coding myself?
Thanks in advance to anyone who answers or offers advice on how to achieve this.
Google gives you the option when you set up on initial boot .:good:
Icon000 said:
I've always been a privacy advocate and been knowledgeable about those law that protect us. After finding out judges can compel you to use your fingerprints to unlock your phone but compel you to give your password to unlock your phone/ your information, I've been looking to see if you can combine the two. I haven't found any yet but I thought someone here might now.
Is there a way require both a fingerprint and password/pattern/pin to unlock your phone every time? Would I have to download an app or something else? Is this even possible without me doing the coding myself?
Thanks in advance to anyone who answers or offers advice on how to achieve this.
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I wouldn't be at all worried about being ordered to unlock a device with the finger print for various reasons.
- 3 wrong attempts locks the device via password
- rebooting the devices forces a password entry
- every 48 hours the device will require a password entry
So as you see there's no way that anyone could be sure that your device will be unlockable with your fingerprint, and just because you have a fingerprint sensor doesn't mean you've set it up to unlock your device.
Even if you happen to suddenly find yourself in some dystopian universe with a big brother government somehow being able to prove you use the finger print sensor, it would be child's play to simply reboot the device (can even be done in your pocket without looking at the screen) or to use your wrong finger 3 times, or for 48 hours to pass, etc.
Hey everyone. Does anyone know how I can store a fingerprint on this but NOT use it to unlock the phone?
I want to be able to use it for apps like LastPass, or payments, but I do not want it able to unlock my phone. Can someone please tell me how to set that up? Thanks!
I don't have a solution for you, but I am very curious why you don't want it to unlock the phone?
skaforey said:
I don't have a solution for you, but I am very curious why you don't want it to unlock the phone?
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Because of Security / privacy. Police or government personnel are allowed to force you to unlock your phone if it is only locked with a finger print.
However, if you lock your phone with only a pin or password (Something you KNOW), it is protected by the 5th Amendment, and they can't make you open your phone.
Drashnar said:
Because of Security / privacy. Police or government personnel are allowed to force you to unlock your phone if it is only locked with a finger print.
However, if you lock your phone with only a pin or password (Something you KNOW), it is protected by the 5th Amendment, and they can't make you open your phone.
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This is not true at all. Also when you use a fingerprint you still have a passcode or pin that has to be set up.
Either way is it THAT big of a deal. What kind of situation would you get into that the police would ever want to get into your phone?? Even if they did.. what's on your phone that you would care if they saw...
I don't get people.
skaforey said:
I don't have a solution for you, but I am very curious why you don't want it to unlock the phone?
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aholeinthewor1d said:
This is not true at all. Also when you use a fingerprint you still have a passcode or pin that has to be set up.
Either way is it THAT big of a deal. What kind of situation would you get into that the police would ever want to get into your phone?? Even if they did.. what's on your phone that you would care if they saw...
I don't get people.
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Yes, you set a pin. But as long as you have your fingerprint, it no longer requires that pin to be used.
And it isn't a matter of what a person does or doesn't have on their phone. It's a matter of I don't want them on my phone without my permission, period.
As for it being true, it IS true. In addition to various court rulings, I was taught when I went for my CISSP Cert.
http://gizmodo.com/cops-can-make-you-fingerprint-unlock-your-phone-and-th-1653984192
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-iphones-fingerprints-20160430-story.html
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Anyway, this thread can be locked / deleted.
I used the support / chat feature on the phone to speak with a Google Rep. The functionality I want isn't present, but being of a security/privacy nature, has been escalated for inclusion in a future build. Thanks everyone.
This thread is to discuss how to accomplish the requested, not a discussion on whether or not you should be able to from a moral/legal standpoint.
That being said, I would love to know how to do this, but for a different reason entirely.
The closest thing I can offer is to reboot the phone if you have reason to believe you might be in a situation where the fingerprint could be used against you. When the phone boots, the PIN is required the first time instead of the fingerprint. If you press and hold the power button for about 10 seconds or long press for 1-2 seconds and tap restart, there are no other steps to reboot. It doesn't prompt or confirm the reboot.
I don't use fingerprint security at all.
But Doesn't Google have access to our pin codes and passwords.
That have to be used with biometric security?
If so a simple court order gets that done quickly.
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Yes, you set a pin. But as long as you have your fingerprint, it no longer requires that pin to be used.
And it isn't a matter of what a person does or doesn't have on their phone. It's a matter of I don't want them on my phone without my permission, period.
As for it being true, it IS true. In addition to various court rulings, I was taught when I went for my CISSP Cert.
http://gizmodo.com/cops-can-make-you-fingerprint-unlock-your-phone-and-th-1653984192
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-iphones-fingerprints-20160430-story.html
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Anyway, this thread can be locked / deleted.
I used the support / chat feature on the phone to speak with a Google Rep. The functionality I want isn't present, but being of a security/privacy nature, has been escalated for inclusion in a future build. Thanks everyone.
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When the police bist in just reset the phone... First login has to be a pin or password not a fingerprint.
If you're don't want you're phone used against you then take the ultimate plunge and smash that on the ground.
Or don't use the fingerprint scanner. Lol
Hi!
This is my first ever post on XDA but i have been a user for several years now and i am quite acquainted with flashing ROMs and modding my phones.
I am currently using a GS7 Edge and I am about to buy a new phone in a few days, I found a S20 Ultra 5G for a very good price in perfect condition and fullbox but the thing is that it's mic is not working (which isn't a problem for me since i am always using my Galaxy Buds for phone calls) and the cameras give an error that says that the camera is not working. I found out on the internet that this is a common error after an update and is fixable by downgrading the software.
Does anyone have a link to a website from where i can download the original Firmware for the phone or a OneUI based rom that is at most OneUI 2.5?
Thank you in advance for any future help.
That is a security software restriction, as far as I know, there's an advanced option of disabling device sensors, called "sensors off".
It does exactly what the name suggests, it started with Android 10 (corresponding to One UI 2.0), and at it's early stages, it used to disable literally every sensor even when doing a phone call.
But then, an exception was made to allow necessary sensors on necessary conditions.
You can disable it and reboot to check, in case it was already disabled, enable it, and enable it from status bar quick settings tiles, then disable it.
Found in developer settings >> quick settings developer tiles.
That's the only thing I know.
Mohamedkam000 said:
That is a security software restriction, as far as I know, there's an advanced option of disabling device sensors, called "sensors off".
It does exactly what the name suggests, it started with Android 10 (corresponding to One UI 2.0), and at it's early stages, it used to disable literally every sensor even when doing a phone call.
But then, an exception was made to allow necessary sensors on necessary conditions.
You can disable it and reboot to check, in case it was already disabled, enable it, and enable it from status bar quick settings tiles, then disable it.
Found in developer settings >> quick settings developer tiles.
That's the only thing I know.
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Thank you for your answer, I am going to try that when i get the phone and get back to you, but also, do you think it's a good deal for the equivalent of 375USD in my country's currency?
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Thank you for your answer, I am going to try that when i get the phone and get back to you, but also, do you think it's a good deal for the equivalent of 375USD in my country's currency?
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To be honest, that is extremely great price, and it draws a lot of suspicious, did you check the phone and made sure that it is real S20 5G?
Perhaps the screen has been replaced? On XDA Swappa, prices are as low as 490$ and up to 670$
You'd be a very lucky guy if the phone is okay XD
Hi to all,
I have encounter a boring problem with op9 pro paired with bluetooth headset (more than one).
every time I said on assistant by my bluetooth headsets (aftershokx aeropex, oneplus bullets wireless Z) any commands like "call mom" "open garage Stefano" "turn on stairs light", and so on, assistant telle me to unlock phone first (????). On assistant the option of "personal results on lockscreen" and the one relative to bluetooth devices is activated, but: "[...]yes, but first you need to unlock the phone.".
on my op7 pro i try same commands without any problems. So... which is the problem?
It's very boring, expecially driving, unlock the phone to use it to make a simple call or to open my garage door.
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Turn on smart lock -> trusted devices
craznazn said:
Turn on smart lock -> trusted devices
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This is not the solution... Is a workaround that I don't want to use for security reasons at work.
Don't use the screen lock.
Treat your phone like your hand and you don't need it.
Please reply with intelligent solution...
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Please reply with intelligent solution...
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I tried... for you, none.
You want security yet look what you're doing
Bank, g pay and other apps want security lock to function... So it's obvious that security lock screen need to be applied.
stefal639 said:
Bank, g pay and other apps want security lock to function... So it's obvious that security lock screen need to be applied.
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I see what you mean... sorry.
I don't use any of those apps and especially voice assistant. Bixby is even worse.
Try this:
How to Use Google Assistant Without Unlocking Your Android Phone
Google Assistant is a handy companion to have on your Android smartphone or tablet. To really get the most out of Assistant’s hands-free features, you’ll want to make sure it can work even when your device is locked.
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blackhawk said:
I see what you mean... sorry.
I don't use any of those apps and especially voice assistant. Bixby is even worse.
Try this:
How to Use Google Assistant Without Unlocking Your Android Phone
Google Assistant is a handy companion to have on your Android smartphone or tablet. To really get the most out of Assistant’s hands-free features, you’ll want to make sure it can work even when your device is locked.
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It's yet activated...
stefal639 said:
It's yet activated...
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Try clearing Goggle Play Services data.
Clear system cache.
Try a network reset (can't hurt).
You may have to delete/recreate the account if nothing else works.
Play with it... eventually you'll get it working.
made it, also clean flash of last ota...seems that something goes wrong with assistant because the problem still stay here also before a clean install.
stefal639 said:
made it, also clean flash of last ota...seems that something goes wrong with assistant because the problem still stay here also before a clean install.
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Check permissions, notifications and make sure no power management is enabled.
Possible conflict with another app.
Lol, sounds like it's settings could be screwed up by default.
Try searching Google for the same issue even on different makes/models as you're no alone... someone has found the solution.
OK Google [to do that you need to unlock your phone] - Google Assistant Community
Seems that is a problem that appear randomly from 2 years (expecially on OP).
no solution from google
stefal639 said:
OK Google [to do that you need to unlock your phone] - Google Assistant Community
Seems that is a problem that appear randomly from 2 years (expecially on OP).
no solution from google
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You can try contacting Google tech support. Occasionally they can be quit helpful... if they choose to.
A Bing search etc may yield better results.
I really try to keep my use of Google apps to a bare bones minimum.
I don't trust them... they earned it.
here is how i solve similar problem that not exactly the same but when i ask google assistance to turn flashlight for example it ask to unlock the screen 1st
1-open google app and press MORE
2-setting
3-google assistant
4-personalization
and final check every toggle on that screen (personal result, lock screen, etc. )
that should not ask to unlock the screen again check and let me know how it gose
yosry said:
here is how i solve similar problem that not exactly the same but when i ask google assistance to turn flashlight for example it ask to unlock the screen 1st
1-open google app and press MORE
2-setting
3-google assistant
4-personalization
and final check every toggle on that screen (personal result, lock screen, etc. )
that should not ask to unlock the screen again check and let me know how it gose
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Still don't work
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Still don't work
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Why it look different so you use custom rom
yosry said:
Why it look different so you use custom rom
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it's the latest OOS11, no custom rom. (italian language)
I am clueless did you did the voice match thing