hi, i have a brand new rhodium t-mobile version, flashed with the nrg rom feb 1st.
when i use the data connection the phone connects to the edge network, while the same sim card connects to 3g/H on a motorola milestone. i read on google that 2 or 3 users (the phone isn't sell in argentina) that have the same problem...
the 3g network in argentina works in the 1900/850 band, so i have it configured that way but it doesn't work.
does anyone knows how to solve this, please?
thanks in advance
lean04 said:
hi, i have a brand new rhodium t-mobile version, flashed with the nrg rom feb 1st.
when i use the data connection the phone connects to the edge network, while the same sim card connects to 3g/H on a motorola milestone. i read on google that 2 or 3 users (the phone isn't sell in argentina) that have the same problem...
the 3g network in argentina works in the 1900/850 band, so i have it configured that way but it doesn't work.
does anyone knows how to solve this, please?
thanks in advance
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3G with the T-Mobile version (RHOD210) works on the 1700/2100 MHz AWS spectrum. You will not be able to use 3G on your network with this device. There is no fix or work around. This is a hardware limitation.
EDIT: You should have gotten the Tilt2 (RHOD300). This is the AT&T branded version that has radio hardware which supports your network.
cajunflavoredbob said:
3G with the T-Mobile version (RHOD210) works on the 1700/2100 MHz AWS spectrum. You will not be able to use 3G on your network with this device. There is no fix or work around. This is a hardware limitation.
EDIT: You should have gotten the Tilt2 (RHOD300). This is the AT&T branded version that has radio hardware which supports your network.
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ok, last question, why in the band section it has the option to use 1900/850 Mhz?
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm5...5611&navtypeid=6&pagetypeid=7&prevPageIndex=5
that´s what i thought that it would work..
lean04 said:
hi, i have a brand new rhodium t-mobile version, flashed with the nrg rom feb 1st.
when i use the data connection the phone connects to the edge network, while the same sim card connects to 3g/H on a motorola milestone. i read on google that 2 or 3 users (the phone isn't sell in argentina) that have the same problem...
the 3g network in argentina works in the 1900/850 band, so i have it configured that way but it doesn't work.
does anyone knows how to solve this, please?
thanks in advance
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If it truly does support switching bands, as the link you posted would indicate:
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm5...5611&navtypeid=6&pagetypeid=7&prevPageIndex=5
Then, I would recommend flashing the Stock ROM. Then see if you can get it to work with the stock T-Mobile ROM. If you can, then it probably is possible to do it using an Energy ROM as well. But, I don't think it is possible.
I am not that familiar with T-Mobile phones, since I use an AT&T Tilt 2. It seems unlikely that this would work, since in the United States even the T-Mobile HD2 doesn't get 3G when SIM unlocked and switched to use the AT&T network with an AT&T SIM.
lean04 said:
ok, last question, why in the band section it has the option to use 1900/850 Mhz?
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm5...5611&navtypeid=6&pagetypeid=7&prevPageIndex=5
that´s what i thought that it would work..
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That band switching feature is to set network preferences for your carrier outside of the US. The radio hardware does not support UMTS 3G. You will only be able to get EDGE speeds at best from this device on your carrier. You need the RHOD300 (Tilt2) to get 3G on your network.
that´s a bummer
thanks for your answers
lean04 said:
that´s a bummer
thanks for your answers
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Anytime. Sorry for the disappointing news.
I guess my cellphone uses EDGE, but I am not sure what it is capable of. My download speeds are so slow, that I would like to change this somehow. Reading the specs on the side of the box, says:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900& UMTS/HSPA Bands 1/2/5/6
Is it capable of anything other than EDGE? From what I am reading and experiencing, it seems that the speeds are not going to be anything other than slow...
What model?
What network?
Where are you?
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Model: r800a
Network: T-Mobile
Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA
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Unless you are on 4g or wifi I'm sorry to say... it probably will be slow
Download "speedtest.net" app and check your download speed. If it's around 1.5-3mbps then that's pretty normal for 3G
Have you selected WCDMA/GSM in the Network settings, if it is only GSM you will only get EDGE speeds, if not you will get HSDPA (H Icon), I have data enabled and it works flawlessly, It had hit 6Mbps as well for me.
you will only get edge on t-mobile, ur phone doesn't have the required bands for 3g, if you were on atnt you would get 3g using the r800a.
Man, that sucks... time to change my provider...
just to clarify, im 99% sure you should, globally atnt and other 850mhz 3g band carrier phones are usually compatible, tesltra here in australia being one, and telus in canada. atnt also has their own "4g" play version with its souped up hsdpa+ radio. but technically, as far as i can tell, there is no reason your phone should not run fine on their network.
you cant get t-mobile 3g on any version of the play, tmobile actually uses 2 different bands for 3g data, and usually only phones built for t-mobile will work on its network because the 2 bands are not common anywhere else.
I will be finishing my contract with VZ in about 2 months and I have seriously been considering getting a R800at (AT&T Xperia PLAY) and unlocking the bootloader to also remove the simlock. So that I can use it on T-Mobile here where I live. VZ has sucky service in my area and I hate them anyways.
My question is are there anyone people here using the AT&T 4G (I know its not 4G but 3.5G Xperia PLAY) on T-Mobile and with TMo converting their 2G to AT&T 3G compatibility are you able to use the 3G service on your PLAYs?
I know the service coverage is all subjective to where you live, just curious if anyone is doing this and what their feedback / thoughts are on it.
Thank you in advance
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I will be finishing my contract with VZ in about 2 months and I have seriously been considering getting a R800at (AT&T Xperia PLAY) and unlocking the bootloader to also remove the simlock. So that I can use it on T-Mobile here where I live. VZ has sucky service in my area and I hate them anyways.
My question is are there anyone people here using the AT&T 4G (I know its not 4G but 3.5G Xperia PLAY) on T-Mobile and with TMo converting their 2G to AT&T 3G compatibility are you able to use the 3G service on your PLAYs?
I know the service coverage is all subjective to where you live, just curious if anyone is doing this and what their feedback / thoughts are on it.
Thank you in advance
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I have the R800a on T-mobile USA and im stuck on Edge which is 2g. If you want 4G or 3.5G for your play your stuck with At&t otherwise if you go to t-mobile usa your stuck with 2g on your R800at the same boat as me.
I get 4g fine with an att sim on straight talk but sadly only 2g with t mobile sim. Suppose it doesn't matter to me though since in using r800i firmware. Stuck on 3g
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I get 4g fine with an att sim on straight talk but sadly only 2g with t mobile sim. Suppose it doesn't matter to me though since in using r800i firmware. Stuck on 3g
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Straight supports at&t frequences and towers.
ozzmanj1 said:
I will be finishing my contract with VZ in about 2 months and I have seriously been considering getting a R800at (AT&T Xperia PLAY) and unlocking the bootloader to also remove the simlock. So that I can use it on T-Mobile here where I live. VZ has sucky service in my area and I hate them anyways.
My question is are there anyone people here using the AT&T 4G (I know its not 4G but 3.5G Xperia PLAY) on T-Mobile and with TMo converting their 2G to AT&T 3G compatibility are you able to use the 3G service on your PLAYs?
I know the service coverage is all subjective to where you live, just curious if anyone is doing this and what their feedback / thoughts are on it.
Thank you in advance
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Have you considered using your 800X on another CDMA network instead of buying an 800AT?
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Have you considered using your 800X on another CDMA network instead of buying an 800AT?
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No. Most of my family has switched to tmobile. That and I can get an awesome rate as I have a relative who can hook us up n
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No. Most of my family has switched to tmobile. That and I can get an awesome rate as I have a relative who can hook us up n
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An awesome rate stuck on 2G doesn't sound worth it to me.
I would look into: Sprint, Boost Mobile, Metro PCS.
(Not sure if Virgin Mobile and Straight Talk are CDMA tho)
There's a list of current locations where T-Mobile support the 1900MHz band, you'll have to check it to make sure you're in one of those area, and to be on the safe side, not on the edge but within the city zone. http://www.androidcentral.com/tags/t-mobile
I live in Miami which is one of the supported location so I did exactly that. I cancelled my LG Nexus 4 preorder since it's taking a long time to ship and bought an R800i, talk about vast gap in performance. I will report on it once it get here, but I'm already certain it'll work in my area since already tested it on other devices.
Not sure if it's possible to unlock the R800at through Sony website method though.
I'm using the $30 100min and 5gb T-Mobile plan, usually keep an extra $10 deposited which give an extra 100min, and using the Vonage app to make free outgoing VoIP call.
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*Edit Note: R800i do not work on ATT nor T-Mobile 3G!
eksasol said:
There's a list of current locations where T-Mobile support the 1900MHz band, you'll have to check it to make sure you're in one of those area, and to be on the safe side, not on the edge but within the city zone. http://www.androidcentral.com/tags/t-mobile
I live in Miami which is one of the supported location so I did exactly that. I cancelled my LG Nexus 4 preorder since it's taking a long time to ship and bought an R800i, talk about vast gap in performance. I will report on it once it get here, but I'm already certain it'll work in my area since already tested it on other devices.
Not sure if it's possible to unlock the R800at through Sony website method though.
I'm using the $30 100min and 5gb T-Mobile plan, usually keep an extra $10 deposited which give an extra 100min, and using the Vonage app to make free outgoing VoIP call.
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My brother works for HP, but knows the Utah state Region Director. (Southern ID, and UT) With the deal I would be able to get a plan with 5 lines, 3 with 500 minutes and up to 5gb of data on each, then 200 minutes on the last two phones with only 200mb of data. As it would only be my wife and I, we would be able to set it up for about $45 for both phones with the 500 each, and 5gb of data for about $50-55 a month. Currently we are paying $120 a month for VZ and its service blows.
Yes, currently where I live there is no converted 2G from T-Mobile but eventually it will roll out. I am pretty sure I can live with 2G until its converted, couldnt be any slower then VZ where I live (50-70kbps)
Did some digging, this is T-Mobile USA's spectrum chart for 2G
850 MHz/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA 2G/3G
1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ 3G/4G
AT&T Spectrum
Frequencies used on the AT&T Network
850 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
850 MHz UMTS/HSPA 3G
1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA 3G
I realize that T-Mobile service is again, subjective, but I really do love this phone and despite borrowing a S3 for about a week, and a couple other phones, I really just dont have a strong desire to jump to another phone. I really enjoy this phone for what it was designed, gaming. And each time i use a a phone to play touchscreen gaming I want to scream.
On a side note, the Region Director did mention that he estimate sometime between second to 3rd quarter of next year where I live we should go live on the 2G conversion.
Actually 2G atleast on T-Mobile is more like average of 20-30kbps, at least from my experience. You will be able to use email and xda app, and slow webbrowsing, and Google Maps. Downloading apps from the Play Store is out of the question unless its small or you want to wait long.
Edit Note: Actually the speed is faster at 80-100kbps after speedtest.
I was considering rebuying the unlocked version of the S3 as well because of this 1900mhz support, but then there is a thread in its forum with tons of people S3 having hardware death.
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Actually 2G atleast on T-Mobile is more like average of 20-30kbps, at least from my experience. You will be able to use email and xda app, and slow webbrowsing, and Google Maps. Downloading apps from the Play Store is out of the question unless its small or you want to wait long.
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As I am always around wifi, at home and or at work (I work about 60 hours a week) I dont generally download from the PLAY store via 3G. And its not VZ's terribly slow data that driving me nuts its their service, I have had so many dropped calls, my wife too (Droid X)
But I guess what I am asking is, when the conversion is completed in my area, would I then be able to have 3G on this device? I guess we wont know for sure until it happens, but again T-Mobile did start converting it to give unlocked iphones on their service 3G.... and to free up spectrum for the planned rollout of their own LTE network.
I will let you know when I get my R800i in a few days, but I'm pretty certain of it. Many people have been utilizing this such as ATT iPhone owners and T-Mobile 3G worked on my Samsung Captivate.
Edit Note: Found out the R800i do not work with ATT nor T-Mobile 3G, but an unlocked R800at does.
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I will let you know when I get my R800i in a few days, buy I'm pretty certain of it. Many people have been utilizing this such as ATT iPhone owners and T-Mobile 3G worked on my Samsung Captivate.
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You mention R800i. While I am looking at the R800at. Should I be looking into the R800i rather then the R800at for T-Mobile in the USA?
Also any feedback you can provide when you get your R800i would be appreciated.
Here is whats listed as the bands for the R800i:
Band
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 (Quadband)
So guessing that with those bands in mind I should be looking into the R800i if I want to utilize T-Mobile USA's 3G network, and perhaps even maybe their 3.5...?
Actually the bands you listed are GSM bands, GSM are 2G.
The 3G bands for ATT and on the R800at are: 850/1900/2100MHz. Either having 850 and/or 1900 + 2100 support will get you 3G.
For T-Mobile, 3G bands are: 1700/2100 (known as AWS or UMTS). Some area have support for 1900 like we discussed. This is where the interlap come in and where unlocked phones that support 1900/2100 bands can get 3G on both T-Mobile and ATT.
There are different levels of 3G, the coverage area might be different. Lowest level usually is UMTS, have the widest coverage and use less battery, but slowest speed, I usually get an average of 3Mbps. Then there is HSPA and HSPA+, which have a large range of speed depending on the version (check Wikipedia). T-Mobile have Dual Cell HSPA which have theoretical capability of 42Mbps, but realistically you will get half of that, and not all devices support it, I get up to 26Mbps with this, outdoor and close to the cell tower of course. From experience, I find T-Mobile obviously have faster 3G speed, but sometimes poorer building penetration.
The Play support: HSDPA 7.2Mbps and HSUPA 5.76Mbps, so that's the max speed this device will be getting on 3G.
You can check the device specs on gsmarena.com for bands support, but they are not always accurate so beware.
This is also why I recommend Nexus phones, because the last two Nexus are pentaband 3G devices, which mean they can get 3G on every GSM carrier in the world. There are few pentaband devices and fewer good pentaband phones.
Well I got my R800i, but disappointingly it doesn't get 3G with T-Mobile, but I checked the spec again and it seem the R800i only support the HSDPA 900 / 2100 bands, I didn't realize this sooner since all other international phones I have bought do support the 1900 band so I just assumed.
But the AT&T version do support the 1900 / 2100 bands, so I'm still confident if you buy that version and figure out how to unlock it, you will be able to get 3G on T-Mobile in the 1900MHz supported areas.
I did a speedtest of the 2G speed and I get around 80-100kbps download speed. So about 10kilobytes per second.
Side note, on the dialer, you can dial: *#*#4636#*#* which will bring you to a menu where you can set which band the phone will use, although it is labeled by region (you'll have to press the Menu button to bring up the option).
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Well I got my R800i, but disappointingly it doesn't get 3G with T-Mobile, but I checked the spec again and it seem the R800i only support the HSDPA 900 / 2100 bands, I didn't realized this sooner since all other international phones I have bought do support the 1900 bands so I just assumed.
But the ATT version do support the 1900 / 2100 band, so I am still confident if you buy that version and figure out how to unlock it, you will be able to get 3G on T-Mobile in the 1900MHz supported areas.
I did a speedtest of the 2G speed and I get around 80-100kbps download speed. So about 10kilobytes per second.
Side note, on the dialer, you can dial: *#*#4636#*#* which will bring you to a menu where you can set which band the phone will use, although it is labeled by region.
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Thank you for the info and thank you for clarifying.
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So after that I went on ebay looking for an unlocked R800at. Found one, not great price, but it was at a pawn shop 1.5miles from my house so I picked it up.
Here are the results: (see attached images).
Somethings I found:
-You have to search for the network operators and select specifically the 3G T-Mobile network. Might need to manually enter the APN for data/mms to work.
-With stock AT&T rom, I only seem to see the phone switching between E (2G) and H+. Since HSPA+ coverage isn't as abundant and you might see the signal deteriorate quickly depending on your location coverage. Edit: I see the 3G and H logo with R800i rom, may be it was just cosmetic?
-With stock AT&T rom, I can't seem to log into Google's Market at all regardless with Data or WiFi while using the T-Mobile sim. Maybe a limitation ATT specifically put in? But this is no problem after flashing another rom.
-As expected, Bootloader Status: Not_Rootable. So I can not get into fastboot mode meaning it require the test point method to unlock the bootloader. Still, I can easily flash the R800i ftf which will allow the NXT rom to be bootable (the ftf that work for me is the R800i_4.0.2.A.0.58_Enhanced). Then root it using "SuperOneClick", had to use x-Parts's CWM installer version 5 to correctly install cwm.
Still will have to fiddle with it more to see what else I can find. As for the R800i I will have to suck up the 15% restocking fee.
chery2k said:
I have the R800a on T-mobile USA and im stuck on Edge which is 2g. If you want 4G or 3.5G for your play your stuck with At&t otherwise if you go to t-mobile usa your stuck with 2g on your R800at the same boat as me.
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How did you unlock it for use with t-mobile? I searched the forums to no avail. The only way I can find is to use a code you have to buy or you have to request through at&t and I don't have at&t so they won't provide me with one.
I can find ways to unlock the bootloader... is that the same thing?
Sorry I'm not familiar with sony ericsson
blu422 said:
How did you unlock it for use with t-mobile? I searched the forums to no avail. The only way I can find is to use a code you have to buy or you have to request through at&t and I don't have at&t so they won't provide me with one.
I can find ways to unlock the bootloader... is that the same thing?
Sorry I'm not familiar with sony ericsson
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With the code your thinking of the sim unlock. Which you can get from AT&T, if you want the bootloader unlocked you need to get in touch with Alejandrissimo to unlock it... its a free service he offers.
Check you PM
I'm not sure where I would post this exactly anyhow =p but I don't know much about antennas and such and what the US primarily uses for phone towers and 4g and all that. How well would the European version of the s5 work in the US? More specifically the G900K which is for Europe usage.
Some specifics for the euro s5:
Network:
LTE 800/850/900/1800/1900/2100/2600); UMTS (850/900/1900/2100MHz) ; GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz)
HSPA (Download/ Upload) LTE Cat4 (150Mbps/50Mbps) / HSDPA+ 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps / 3G / EDGE / GPRS
ReapersDeath said:
I'm not sure where I would post this exactly anyhow =p but I don't know much about antennas and such and what the US primarily uses for phone towers and 4g and all that. How well would the European version of the s5 work in the US? More specifically the G900K which is for Europe usage.
Some specifics for the euro s5:
Network:
LTE 800/850/900/1800/1900/2100/2600); UMTS (850/900/1900/2100MHz) ; GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz)
HSPA (Download/ Upload) LTE Cat4 (150Mbps/50Mbps) / HSDPA+ 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps / 3G / EDGE / GPRS
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1st, this should have been posted in the Samsung Galaxy S5 q&a forum. It looks as if the radios are similar, but you cannot flash roms or any other software that are NOT designed for your phone. That's how bricks happen
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Well duh.. Wasn't planning on rooting. I'm just curious as to how compatible.. Don't want to get a phone with no 4g in the us
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Well duh.. Wasn't planning on rooting. I'm just curious as to how compatible.. Don't want to get a phone with no 4g in the us
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You will have to unlock the phone to use in the U.S. Also sometimes stock software is not always compatible in the U.S. You will likely have issues with text and mms messages because of incorrect apns, as well as 4g issues.
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joeyhdownsouth said:
You will have to unlock the phone to use in the U.S. Also sometimes stock software is not always compatible in the U.S. You will likely have issues with text and mms messages because of incorrect apns, as well as 4g issues.
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I know a company out of China where they unlock it and do all that stuff. Just need to figure out how well it works lol
I am using an att branded s9 on t mobile. I have successfully flashed to t mobile firmware, so wi fi calling works. When I compare the bands supported there are many differences between the two phones.
(https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-s9-sm-g960-g965-model-number-differences/)
Is there any practical difference in the performance of these phones on t mobile network?
joelcop said:
I am using an att branded s9 on t mobile. I have successfully flashed to t mobile firmware, so wi fi calling works. When I compare the bands supported there are many differences between the two phones.
(https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-s9-sm-g960-g965-model-number-differences/)
Is there any practical difference in the performance of these phones on t mobile network?
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Yes, and it also will depend on where you live. Some T-Mobile bands are not supported on the ATT version of the phone, so it's possible your signal/data could be weaker or slower depending on what the strongest bands are in the area. The ATT version also does not support the 600mhz band which is T-Mobile's new "big thing" they are rolling out. But if your phone is working and you are happy with it everywhere you go, I wouldn't worry too much. Maybe you can find someone with a Tmo S9 and just do some speed test/signal strength comparisons based on where you are.
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Yes, and it also will depend on where you live. Some T-Mobile bands are not supported on the ATT version of the phone, so it's possible your signal/data could be weaker or slower depending on what the strongest bands are in the area. The ATT version also does not support the 600mhz band which is T-Mobile's new "big thing" they are rolling out. But if your phone is working and you are happy with it everywhere you go, I wouldn't worry too much. Maybe you can find someone with a Tmo S9 and just do some speed test/signal strength comparisons based on where you are.
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thanks I'll try that