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Will At&t flag the Galaxy Nexus in their systems, now that Google Play sells it unlocked? Because i remember back i first got my N1 from the Google a few years back, At&t flagged it and required me to add a smartphone data plan.
Do u guys think this will happen now? I'm thinking of getting the Gnex from google play for my brother, but he doesnt want to have to pay for a real data plan
*the reason that I am concerned about this is because I feel like the Google Play version of the GNEX is a whole new version due to new software version as well as the lack of 900mhz UMTS band (Band III)*
opinions pls ( and facts if possible)
Yes, if you have a smartphone it will eventually get flagged and you will have to add a data plan, this is not limited to the GN.
jopherr said:
Will At&t flag the Galaxy Nexus in their systems, now that Google Play sells it unlocked? Because i remember back i first got my N1 from the Google a few years back, At&t flagged it and required me to add a smartphone data plan.
Do u guys think this will happen now? I'm thinking of getting the Gnex from google play for my brother, but he doesnt want to have to pay for a real data plan
*the reason that I am concerned about this is because I feel like the Google Play version of the GNEX is a whole new version due to new software version as well as the lack of 900mhz UMTS band (Band III)*
opinions pls ( and facts if possible)
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Its the same exact device that's been on sale in Europe for 5 months now. Its not different. Still an i9250.
As the previous poster said, its not limited to the GNex, they'll kick you off of a non-smartphone plan sooner or later. Its not hard to figure out. Just switch to an AT&T MVNO and save yourself the trouble.
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Its the same exact device that's been on sale in Europe for 5 months now. Its not different. Still an i9250.
As the previous poster said, its not limited to the GNex, they'll kick you off of a non-smartphone plan sooner or later. Its not hard to figure out. Just switch to an AT&T MVNO and save yourself the trouble.
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what is a MVNO? it seems to be that the only phones that At&t will add a mandatory data plans to are the ones in their system & of course iPhones. there were plenty of people in the SGS2 thread that were using the international SGS2 on At&t without data plans. same with the international Galaxy note but thanks for the input xD
MVNO is like someone who resells AT&T service.
For example.... Boost Mobile and Virgin resell Sprint's service.
Straight talk uses at&t
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Yes. I got my gf a Samsung Vibrant to put in her ATT family plan. She had previously been using a feature phone that had Web access but no smartphone data plan. It was flagged the second month in.
She switched to Simple Mobile. A MVNO of T-Mobile. $40/month unlimited voice text 3g data.
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Disregard att, acquire straight talk.
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jopherr said:
Will At&t flag the Galaxy Nexus in their systems, now that Google Play sells it unlocked? Because i remember back i first got my N1 from the Google a few years back, At&t flagged it and required me to add a smartphone data plan.
Do u guys think this will happen now? I'm thinking of getting the Gnex from google play for my brother, but he doesnt want to have to pay for a real data plan
*the reason that I am concerned about this is because I feel like the Google Play version of the GNEX is a whole new version due to new software version as well as the lack of 900mhz UMTS band (Band III)*
opinions pls ( and facts if possible)
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Of course they will, it's a smart phone. If you want more control over your service, go with pre-paid from any number of vendors.
Also, JBQ verified it's the same pentaband hardware, just a marketing typo.
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Yes, if you have a smartphone it will eventually get flagged and you will have to add a data plan, this is not limited to the GN.
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My sister's vibrant hasn't been flagged for almost a year. This is because the Vibrant's IMEI range is not available to at&t.
The OP is asking whether we think AT&T will be given that imei range now that the GNEX is officially for sale, unlocked in the US, like the nexus one was. IE. Can I get away with dumb phone true unlimited data? This is never monitored or metered, (trust me my sister constantly tethers to 40 gigs of usage per month).
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Its the same exact device that's been on sale in Europe for 5 months now. Its not different. Still an i9250.
As the previous poster said, its not limited to the GNex, they'll kick you off of a non-smartphone plan sooner or later. Its not hard to figure out. Just switch to an AT&T MVNO and save yourself the trouble.
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Have been using my Galaxy Nexus on the AT&T $50 unlimited everything, including internet for dumbphones, GoPhone plan for quite a while now and my data still works. Still averaging 5mpbs or more. The good thing about it is that it's not metered. Last month, I used over 6gb of internet and have never been throttled or shut off.
I am concerned that Google will provide AT&T the IMEI numbers of all the Galaxy Nexus that they sell in the play store. If that's the case, then my days of $50 truly unlimited are over. I find that I don't use many minutes, so I might just go back to the $30 T-Mobile plan.
seriously?? I would have thought they would have been more strict about not having smartphones connected to the $50 unlimited everything plan.
Yeah, there are two ways to go about it. $15 internet for quick messaging phones on postpaid or $50 unlimited everything on prepaid.
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Have been using my Galaxy Nexus on the AT&T $50 unlimited everything, including internet for dumbphones, GoPhone plan for quite a while now and my data still works. Still averaging 5mpbs or more. The good thing about it is that it's not metered. Last month, I used over 6gb of internet and have never been throttled or shut off.
I am concerned that Google will provide AT&T the IMEI numbers of all the Galaxy Nexus that they sell in the play store. If that's the case, then my days of $50 truly unlimited are over. I find that I don't use many minutes, so I might just go back to the $30 T-Mobile plan.
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Yes this was exactly what I'm asking about. :/ I have a feeling that Google might give the carriers the IMEI numbers of the gnex as to not piss them off. I doubt the carriers are happy with Google selling an unlocked phone that is interoperable with the GSM carriers in the US.(similar thing happened two years ago with the nexus one but that was two years ago n Google might be bolder about their reentry into the unlocked phones business)
I wanna keep my $10 data plan D:
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So, has anyone that just received the U.S. Galaxy Nexus test this out on AT&T dumphone plan yet?
My friend does it on his international galaxy nexus (uses a gophone sim with a 50/month prepaid), I'm thinking about doing it myself.
I should have listened to my instincts and went of the N7100. I really wanted to like the ATT version. I got the device. immediately rooted it and flashed the CleanLite Rom. There were a couple things I missed too much and the additional $30 a month was not worth it since we do not have LTE and if we did the speeds are really only realized when downloading ir uploading huge files. Regular browsing is still website dependent,
However the phone is always seeking LTE. No way to turn it off. Having been on Mediat Net UL data was nice but I never used more than 700mb and that was when I was steaming TuneIn radio just to try it out. (I was listening to the same shows we have locally.at different times) I am a talk radio junkie. I love all the gad fests, from Kim Komand to Rush Limbaugh. I am plugged in all day at work.
I need the FM Radio and I did not want to pay $15 more a month for it and have to get a 3GB plan.Not to mention the battery use for radio is far less than streaming wifi or carrier data. So I called ATT and Provisioned my International Note 1 for Smartphone data ( I had to convince them I had a smart phone because you cannot have two dumb phones on a family share plan and the wife International SGS II i9100 shows up as a dumb phone to get the Family Shared 1GB plan. Now we have messaging as well which we did not have and unlimited calling which we did not have. and I will buy an N7100 when the prices drop below $600. Funny all these years I was under the radar. they "discovered " my Note a a smart phone and I always had to call to switch it back to MediNet. Now I had to convince them it was a smart phone...Funny how things work.
The international development is very much further as well. although a few "ported" ROMs are showing up on this side of things.
Love the form factor of the Note 2 and it was very fast. The additional processing and RAM were clearly noticeable.
S Pen much better. Notification LED nice. There is a reason to upgrade for sure. In my case the N7100 is the better choice.Warranties mean little to me since I root the devices out of the box,
I posted this for those who are on the fence and may have similar needs.
Thanks for the post, man. I'm fighting myself over whether I want to go grab a Note II today (been thinking about it non-stop all weekend). Heck, I was cussing when I saw your post in the MP and I missed out! I'd have bought it in a heartbeat (and saved a couple of hundred $$$ in the process).
I've already got the AT&T GSIII, so I'm not sure how much of an upgrade the Note II would be for me. I mean, I KNOW it would be an upgrade in some areas, but I'm just trying to figure out if it warrants the $$$ (and the money isn't a problem for me...I'm just debating myself as I always do on large purchases). I'd be buying off-contract (as I did with the SIII), so it's not a small amount of money.
I usually get my phones, the off-contract ones at least, from Best Buy because of their generous 30-day return window and their price matching. I guess I could always grab a Note II and give it a go for a couple of weeks. Then I'll know for sure whether it's a worthy upgrade or not and if not, I can always return it without a restocking fee.
Glad to see you got things figured out. Sorry I missed out on buying your Note II, but glad to see you got it sold quickly! :good:
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Thanks for the post, man. I'm fighting myself over whether I want to go grab a Note II today (been thinking about it non-stop all weekend). Heck, I was cussing when I saw your post in the MP and I missed out! I'd have bought it in a heartbeat (and saved a couple of hundred $$$ in the process).
I've already got the AT&T GSIII, so I'm not sure how much of an upgrade the Note II would be for me. I mean, I KNOW it would be an upgrade in some areas, but I'm just trying to figure out if it warrants the $$$ (and the money isn't a problem for me...I'm just debating myself as I always do on large purchases). I'd be buying off-contract (as I did with the SIII), so it's not a small amount of money.
I usually get my phones, the off-contract ones at least, from Best Buy because of their generous 30-day return window and their price matching. I guess I could always grab a Note II and give it a go for a couple of weeks. Then I'll know for sure whether it's a worthy upgrade or not and if not, I can always return it without a restocking fee.
Glad to see you got things figured out. Sorry I missed out on buying your Note II, but glad to see you got it sold quickly! :good:
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We have pretty good LTE coverage here...and I do use it..and I also had my time with 3 of the G3's...when they worked that is..
Looking at things objectively...is the Note 2 a upgrade worthy enough to leave the G3...IMHO...you bet it is especially if you like big screens...and can use the S-pen...
If those 2 things aren't enough to sway you...then maybe you should wait for the G 4 to come out...I would never go back to a G3 after using this one...to me it's leaps and bounds above them and custom roms will come...hell the sys dump for the ATT version just happened on the 6th of this month...so...IMHO...go get one and use it for a while...at least you will have a time with it to see what all the hubbub is about... and since they are still in short supply in many places...I don't think you will have any issue selling it if you don't like it..
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I don't regret leaving my gs3 one bit. You either want a bigger screen or you don't and the internals are certainly a bump up. Getting the note 2 was a little intimidating now I don't think I could go back to the gs3.
about att and international note 2 choices, basically the question is: LTE & warranty or lots more custom rom
I choose att version only because i like LTE. and i am sure the att version will have its asop, cm 10/11, miui, and some kernel.
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about att and international note 2 choices, basically the question is: LTE & warranty or lots more custom rom
I choose att version only because i like LTE. and i am sure the att version will have its asop, cm 10/11, miui, and some kernel.
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The problem with ASOP with the Notes is the S pen apps don't always work as they are Samsung apps and Samsung has been hoarding their drivers as well. The FM Radio did not work in Cyanogen. Needed a $10 app to make it work Spirit UL I think it was. I like the Samsung stuff well enough and eliminate the Social apps so I stick with the Stock Samsung ROMS. Especially since I am not a flashaholic and prefer to stick with a good ROM that only gets updated when there are major updates.
OP;us I am running 4..1.2 now and the ATT Note was a step back as far as Multiview etc went. Roms will be coming but like with the Captivate most of the good stuff will be ported from the N7100 developers
I dont get it. You bought it and sold it. So you save 30 a month? Did you buy it out right or sign contract. Contract arent you IN contract so you pay anyway? Full price?
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I dont get it. You bought it and sold it. So you save 30 a month? Did you buy it out right or sign contract. Contract arent you IN contract so you pay anyway? Full price?
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I bought it for $239 an signed a contract for two years I have been with ATT since Wireless began. I don;t plan on changing Carriers. We have had two upgrades for the past four years. I burned one to try the ATT version. Since I rooted it I don't feel right bringing it back and sold it instead made a few dollars toward the N7100 With the sale iof My Note either way it was going to cost me $300 to buy the N7100. Now it will be "free" or at most $100 more. I will use my wife's upgrade next year.
I buy her used International phones. She loves the SGS II i9100 and will be using that until it fails. Then I will find her a well used international SIII to keep her on the $30 non smartphone plan.
We pay $115 a month for two phones with UL everything except for the 1GB data Same as we were paying for two mediaNEt UL data phones with no messaging and 700 minutes. I don;t use a lot of carrier data with the FM radio especially.
Disregard me please. Im totally lost even more now. Att has a 1gb plan? I didnt know
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Thanks for the info
For me, its an easy choice. LTE. I live about 30 miles from AT&T headquarters, so LTE speed is amazing. As far as custom rom's go. I create my own stuff, so that does not concern me the slightest.
CM will come. Ive already setup the device tree, I just need to figure out the RIL stuff and defconfig in the kernel, to enable to qualcomm modem.
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Disregard me please. Im totally lost even more now. Att has a 1gb plan? I didnt know
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Yeah they have a family share plan with UL talk and messaging with 1 GB data shared. One smart phone and one dumb phone would be $115 a month. They charge $40 plus $30 for the "dumb" phone and $45 for the smart phone. If my wife were to get an ATT smart phone the bill would go up nearly $200 a year. $15 more a month Still sharing 1GB. Not worth it. I would go back to MediNet and two "dumb" phones. We have a couple old dumb phones we stick the SIM cards in when calling ATT. Except now I have declared a smart phone to get UL talk and messaging.
With 4GB shared the bill would be $15 more Her phone would Still be $30 the plan would go to $70 and my phone would drop to $40 Basically I would get 3GB more for another $25 a month. I would rather pay the extra $15 for 2GB if i should use over 1GB. Without LTE there is no way I would be using 2GB.
LTE is great. but for basic web browsing 4G is fine. Downloading huge ROM files would be nice at home with 30MPS LOL I would use the Carrier before the cable internet. But I don;t want to become dependent on high carrier speeds. Its like the carriers are drug dealers. they get you hooked then you pay pay pay.....
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Thanks for the info
For me, its an easy choice. LTE. I live about 30 miles from AT&T headquarters, so LTE speed is amazing. As far as custom rom's go. I create my own stuff, so that does not concern me the slightest.
CM will come. Ive already setup the device tree, I just need to figure out the RIL stuff and defconfig in the kernel, to enable to qualcomm modem.
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this is the best news i heard today
I'm sorry if this was posted elsewhere, I searched but couldn't find this question answered.
Last week I sent my girlfriend into a T-Mobile store here in RI to check out the Note 2. I was at work so I wanted her impression. She fell in love with it and now wants one. She's not a phone geek and always said she would prefer a flip phone if she could text on it,so I didn't think she would think too highly of it. I really wanted her input on how big it was
I figured I'd buy it for her for Christmas. T-Mobile store wants over $700 and the best International Note 2 price I've seen is $600 on special at Newegg.
I'd prefer the T-Mobile version for the future LTE but the extra $150 is a lot.
Any ideas on how to buy a T-Mobile version without paying over $700?
Also, are the benefits of the T-Mobile version worth the added cost?
Depending on where you live tmobile more then likely tmobile has not finished refarming 1900mhz in your area in that case the International note will only be able to get on edge before tmobile finishes their modernization. This is of course assuming you want to use it for on tmobile or an mvno.
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T-Mobile note 2 have the correct frequencies to operate in Tmobile's hspa+. International note 2 you will most likely be stuck with 2g speeds.
If you plan to use Tmobile's data plan buy the Tmobile version.
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We have the T-Mobile data plan.
I was hoping to spend $600 or so, that's not remotely possible paying retail.
I've seen some international note 2 for around $550 on eBay storefront for dailysteals.com.
However saving $150 would be pointless for me as I value data speed the most. I use upwards of 50 gbs monthly.
If you don't care as much about data speeds and streaming the savings may be worthwhile to you.
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After using my Note 2 for about an hour I got a text from AT&T saying they were switching my data plan because a LTE data plan was required. Previously I had an unlimited data plan. Sure enough, I checked my account online and now I have the 3 gb plan with $10 per 1gb over the limit. How can they do this? I don't want this? What are my options? I specifically bought the Note 2 paying full retail because I didn't want AT&T to know I switched phones. This sucks!!
I am pretty sure the recent fcc agreement with related fines for switching customers or forcing customers from their unlimited plans to limited plans was considered illegal. I would be *****ing up a storm and filing a complaint with the FCC, online. Wouldn't hurt to file an online complaint with the attorney general from your state either.
I had unlimited plan (non lte) which was grandfathered. After purchase of Note 2, noticed that I was put on a 3gb plan. I called AT&T and within 24 hours my unlimited plan was restored.
They switched me to the unlimited lte plan when I switched, att customer service was super helpful, almost too helpful. You might call them and see what they say.
Keep us posted.
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Just spent an hour on the phone with two dumb twits (in India from their accent) of AT&T's customer service department. They said I had an unlimited non-smartphone plan and that they could not upgrade me to an unlimited LTE plan. I mentioned the FCC ruling ( http://bgr.com/2012/11/07/att-fcc-fine-data-plans/ ) but I don't know if people in India even know what the FCC is. Those people on the phone don't give last names or employee numbers so they feel they are unacountable.
I've been using a smart phone for the past 4 years but apparently I was still on the non-smart phone plan. They said because of that they can not switch me over to the unlimited LTE plan. So, what should I do now? I will not stay wit ha limited plan. I'll switch to T-Mobile first. However my AT&T Note 2 will not work with T-Mobile's system I think. Also, I'd rather not switch as its a pain in the ass. I really hope I can get this resolved. Do you think I'd have beeter luck in person at a store?
That doesn't quite add up. How can you be on a non-smartphone plan with a smartphone for 4 years? So what plan did they have you at? And with unlimited data?
Either way, when I switched from my iPhones to the Note II, they had no problem switching my grandfathered unlimited plan to unlimited LTE. What they did tell me is they'd have to register me with a regular LTE data plan during the phone's sale, then they put it back to grandfathered unlimited status at activation, LTE and all.
Did you get the phone online or at the store?
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That doesn't quite add up. How can you be on a non-smartphone plan with a smartphone for 4 years? So what plan did they have you at? And with unlimited data?
Either way, when I switched from my iPhones to the Note II, they had no problem switching my grandfathered unlimited plan to unlimited LTE. What they did tell me is they'd have to register me with a regular LTE data plan during the phone's sale, then they put it back to grandfathered unlimited status at activation, LTE and all.
Did you get the phone online or at the store?
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When I switched from my dumb phone to my smart phone 4 years ago I didn't tell them about it so I guess I was still on the unlimited data for no-smart phones. Well, how stupid they are to think I go through 20-30 GB of data a month without it being a smart phone (I did a lot of tethering during those years).
I bought my Note 2 online. I assumed they wouldn't know about the phone switch since they didn't know about my phone switch 4 years ago. I guess because the Note 2 uses a different frequency they became aware of it that way. Anyway, it shouldn't matter. I was on an unlimited plan before and I think it is not unreasnable to be on an unlimited plan after switching. God how I hate AT&T. I was playing cards with some friends earlier tonight and an AT&T ad came on the TV. I wanted to throw something at the TV so badly!
Outsourced? It's your own damn fault!
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Just spent an hour on the phone with two dumb twits (in India from their accent)
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Never evereverever..never! call after normal business hours and or the weekend, you will get outsourced!...everever..never!!! My granddaughters Kindle Plus (1st Gen) fell victim to the known USB mini port failure,1 month out of warranty. My daughter called after normal business hours Monday..OUTSOURCED!!...ever.never. They told her it would cost her $150 to get it replaced , after a 1/2hr she gave up. She told me what happened, and I told here to call regular business hours. So she did the next day on Tuesday, not outsources, new Kindle Plus arrived this Friday no charge at all. They sent a return label to send the bad unit back within 30 day's. Don't know if you'll have this kind of luck, but from all of my vast past experience with this type of stuff you stand a much better chance calling 9-5 Monday thru Friday. These phone Reps in these far off lands can do the job, but they aren't given the authority to. So be firm but cordial, good luck, God speed, and eat hearty!
Steve,
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Never evereverever..never! call after normal business hours and or the weekend, you will get outsourced!...everever..never!!! My granddaughters Kindle Plus (1st Gen) fell victim to the known USB mini port failure,1 month out of warranty. My daughter called after normal business hours Monday..OUTSOURCED!!...ever.never. They told her it would cost her $150 to get it replaced , after a 1/2hr she gave up. She told me what happened, and I told here to call regular business hours. So she did the next day on Tuesday, not outsources, new Kindle Plus arrived this Friday no charge at all. They sent a return label to send the bad unit back within 30 day's. Don't know if you'll have this kind of luck, but from all of my vast past experience with this type of stuff you stand a much better chance calling 9-5 Monday thru Friday. These phone Reps in these far off lands can do the job, but they aren't given the authority to. So be firm but cordial, good luck, God speed, and eat hearty!
Steve,
P.S. ever.never.
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I'm on my phone, so, may I ask where you live? So I can convert time.
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I'm on my phone, so, may I ask where you live? So I can convert time.
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Upstate New York US, Just south of Syracuse New York. Eastern time slot. 11:15pm here.
Go into an Att store. I have been in several where the people are really nice and will help you work through this. If you don't find this to be true, go to a different store and try again. Unfortunately, you might have wasted your money getting the full retail version of the phone. Why not just return it and get one through Att or Best Buy? Mine cost me $175 with the contract extension and I'm happy as can be. As for your true unlimited data, this might be the end of that! Welcome to throttling (but check out the thread on how to bypass the data limit). Whatever you do, don't stop until you've found someone who helps you convert your plan to a grandfathered unlimited one.
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When I switched from my dumb phone to my smart phone 4 years ago I didn't tell them about it so I guess I was still on the unlimited data for no-smart phones. Well, how stupid they are to think I go through 20-30 GB of data a month without it being a smart phone (I did a lot of tethering during those years).
I bought my Note 2 online. I assumed they wouldn't know about the phone switch since they didn't know about my phone switch 4 years ago. I guess because the Note 2 uses a different frequency they became aware of it that way. Anyway, it shouldn't matter. I was on an unlimited plan before and I think it is not unreasnable to be on an unlimited plan after switching. God how I hate AT&T. I was playing cards with some friends earlier tonight and an AT&T ad came on the TV. I wanted to throw something at the TV so badly!
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So you never had unlimited data for smart phones and your mad at att?! You been cheating the system for 4 years and your upset at att?! You have to have smartphone unlimited data to be grandfathered into smartphone unlimited data, it doesn't take rocket science.
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When I switched from my dumb phone to my smart phone 4 years ago I didn't tell them about it so I guess I was still on the unlimited data for no-smart phones. Well, how stupid they are to think I go through 20-30 GB of data a month without it being a smart phone (I did a lot of tethering during those years).
I bought my Note 2 online. I assumed they wouldn't know about the phone switch since they didn't know about my phone switch 4 years ago. I guess because the Note 2 uses a different frequency they became aware of it that way. Anyway, it shouldn't matter. I was on an unlimited plan before and I think it is not unreasnable to be on an unlimited plan after switching. God how I hate AT&T. I was playing cards with some friends earlier tonight and an AT&T ad came on the TV. I wanted to throw something at the TV so badly!
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After your explanation, I see now why you were switched. Here's what's apparently happening. Your smartphone before the Note II apparently didn't require LTE or report that it needed it, hence why AT&T gullible-y never realized you were using a smartphone. It's also possible that your smartphone was also on the 3G network only, which is what most non-smartphones use. Although the Note II can run on 3G networks, it would still report to the carrier that it needs access to 4G to 4G LTE networks unless you had told it not to, which seems you didn't within the hour of using it. Of course, you wouldn't have known this since you just got the phone. It also would have told AT&T that your IMEI had changed the moment you put the sim card in, which would have revealed to AT&T that you did indeed have a Note II, hence this situation.
Either way, there's no way around this situation as far as I can see unless you ask them if there's a way you can be considered as grandfathered into regular unlimited data. If you're a long time AT&T user, cite that you've been a loyal customer, but tell them you'd hate to have to go to another carrier over this. You would also need to be under contract.
No offense, and I'm guilty in another form of this in a way, but due to your circumstances, it can be perceived that you tried to cheat the system, which is in no way AT&T's fault, but yours, and you're just upset that you got caught.
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After using my Note 2 for about an hour I got a text from AT&T saying they were switching my data plan because a LTE data plan was required. Previously I had an unlimited data plan. Sure enough, I checked my account online and now I have the 3 gb plan with $10 per 1gb over the limit. How can they do this? I don't want this? What are my options? I specifically bought the Note 2 paying full retail because I didn't want AT&T to know I switched phones. This sucks!!
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If its unlim smartphone data it will be grandfathered if u bought the phone and it was manually swapped. If u have unlim smartphone data and put your sim in an lte device without telling att, the system will automatically add the 3gb plan. Its not made to add unlim even if you have it. If you upgrade at a store online or over the phone with unlim data you will keep it.
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rogerbacon50 said:
Just spent an hour on the phone with two dumb twits (in India from their accent) of AT&T's customer service department. They said I had an unlimited non-smartphone plan and that they could not upgrade me to an unlimited LTE plan. I mentioned the FCC ruling ( http://bgr.com/2012/11/07/att-fcc-fine-data-plans/ ) but I don't know if people in India even know what the FCC is. Those people on the phone don't give last names or employee numbers so they feel they are unacountable.
I've been using a smart phone for the past 4 years but apparently I was still on the non-smart phone plan. They said because of that they can not switch me over to the unlimited LTE plan. So, what should I do now? I will not stay wit ha limited plan. I'll switch to T-Mobile first. However my AT&T Note 2 will not work with T-Mobile's system I think. Also, I'd rather not switch as its a pain in the ass. I really hope I can get this resolved. Do you think I'd have beeter luck in person at a store?
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You circumvented the system for 4 years, and now that has caught up with you..
Deal with it or go to a different carrier...very simple
What phone did you switch to the Note 2 from?
I'm with the guys above, looks like you were trying to beat the system and it caught up to you.
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Dumbo53 said:
Go into an Att store. I have been in several where the people are really nice and will help you work through this. If you don't find this to be true, go to a different store and try again. ... Whatever you do, don't stop until you've found someone who helps you convert your plan to a grandfathered unlimited one.
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I will give it another shot of two MOnday and see how it goes.
onthezone said:
So you never had unlimited data for smart phones and your mad at att?! You been cheating the system for 4 years and your upset at att?! You have to have smartphone unlimited data to be grandfathered into smartphone unlimited data, it doesn't take rocket science.
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Until two days ago I didn't know there were two seperate unlimited plans (one for smart phone and one for non-smart phones). The reason I didn't tell AT&T I switched to a smartphone 4 years ago is because I thought I would lose my unlimited data plan. It was not to save $15 a month. I could care less about that. It hindsight I should have told them and been on the unlimited smartphone plan but I was so concerned that they would cancel my unlimited data plan I din't do that.
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Either way, there's no way around this situation as far as I can see unless you ask them if there's a way you can be considered as grandfathered into regular unlimited data. If you're a long time AT&T user, cite that you've been a loyal customer, but tell them you'd hate to have to go to another carrier over this. You would also need to be under contract.
No offense, and I'm guilty in another form of this in a way, but due to your circumstances, it can be perceived that you tried to cheat the system, which is in no way AT&T's fault, but yours, and you're just upset that you got caught.
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Well, I may have cheated the system for $15 a month it turns out but that was not my intention. My intention was only to keep unlimited data. Don't we all "cheat the system" here everytime we do something that the networks don't want us doing with our phones? Tethering, trying to get around throttling, even rooting can be considered cheating the system. I always thought that was part of the spirit of modding and customizing.
wase4711 said:
You circumvented the system for 4 years, and now that has caught up with you..
Deal with it or go to a different carrier...very simple
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I like 'circumvented' better than cheated; it sounds less judgemental. Yeah, those may be my two options. If they are, I will choose option 2-- go to a different carrier. In that case, I'll be putting my 3-day old Note 2 up for sale I guess and buying one from T-Mobile.
Astom22 said:
What phone did you switch to the Note 2 from?
I'm with the guys above, looks like you were trying to beat the system and it caught up to you.
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I was using a HTC Touch HD. It was a great phone for the time and I installed Dutty's custom rom found on these forums. However a lot has changed in 4 years. I don't like the progress (or lack of it) with Windows and all of my 'must have' programs are now available on Android so making the switch was an each choice (and long overdue).
rogerbacon50 said:
Just spent an hour on the phone with two dumb twits (in India from their accent) of AT&T's customer service department. They said I had an unlimited non-smartphone plan and that they could not upgrade me to an unlimited LTE plan. I mentioned the FCC ruling ( http://bgr.com/2012/11/07/att-fcc-fine-data-plans/ ) but I don't know if people in India even know what the FCC is. Those people on the phone don't give last names or employee numbers so they feel they are unacountable.
I've been using a smart phone for the past 4 years but apparently I was still on the non-smart phone plan. They said because of that they can not switch me over to the unlimited LTE plan. So, what should I do now? I will not stay wit ha limited plan. I'll switch to T-Mobile first. However my AT&T Note 2 will not work with T-Mobile's system I think. Also, I'd rather not switch as its a pain in the ass. I really hope I can get this resolved. Do you think I'd have beeter luck in person at a store?
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A cheater and a Racist. So sick of people like you.
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A cheater and a Racist. So sick of people like you.
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I'm sorry to anyone who misconstrued my remarks. I was upset with the customer service reprezsentative and her thick accent was not making matters any easier. Perhaps that is why I mentioned that she was probably in India. I certainly didn't mean to disparage all Indians and if anyone took it that way I am sorry.
A followup session with a rep today resulted in pretty much the same thing, except they're giving me $50 off my next bill. Really though, by that point I didn't even try that hard. I've decided I'll switch to T-Mobile because, even if I got to keep unlimited data with AT&T there would still be the throtttling issues to deal with each month. T-Mobile may not have the breakneck speed of AT&T (right now) but I don't need 50+ Mb/s.
rogerbacon50 said:
Well, I may have cheated the system for $15 a month it turns out but that was not my intention. My intention was only to keep unlimited data.
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I don't know.. AT&T didn't discontinue unlimited or throttled data back then.. You shouldn't have had any issues keeping unlimited data when switching phones unless you wanted to save $15/month.
I'm on a family plan with one unlimited data phone, one that has the 4 gig for the price of 2 special from a while back and one no data phone. I know the plan with the 4 gig data phone has an upgrade so is it possible to get the phone on that plan and keep that 4 gig phone plan and just do the sim card swap to the unlimited one? Honestly the person on the 4 gig line doesn't care about upgrades or data so I figured if they could keep that 4gig plan I could take the phone and they could keep their phone.
Coolage2 said:
I'm on a family plan with one unlimited data phone, one that has the 4 gig for the price of 2 special from a while back and one no data phone. I know the plan with the 4 gig data phone has an upgrade so is it possible to get the phone on that plan and keep that 4 gig phone plan and just do the sim card swap to the unlimited one? Honestly the person on the 4 gig line doesn't care about upgrades or data so I figured if they could keep that 4gig plan I could take the phone and they could keep their phone.
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If all of the lines are on the same family account, you could upgrade the 4gb line. When you received the new phone just call VZW customer service and activate it on the unlimited line. OR, activate on the 4gb line then swap the sim card. Both methods are good.
One more question. I couldn't find anything about this online, but since it was a 4 gig for 2 gig special those years ago, will they be able to keep those 4 gigs or would they be forced to a 2 gig line?
Coolage2 said:
One more question. I couldn't find anything about this online, but since it was a 4 gig for 2 gig special those years ago, will they be able to keep those 4 gigs or would they be forced to a 2 gig line?
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Your unlimited and 4 gb lines are permanent. There will be nothing change to your account if you do what I shown you above.
I did the same thing. Upgraded 6gb data on my family plan then just simply swap sim. Now my UDP number is on note 4
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So would my steps be correct?
1. Use upgrade on 4 gig data plan to get note 4.
2. the sim card that comes with the galaxy note 4 holds the 4 gig data line so that goes into the current 4 gig data phone?
3. i just put my current sim card from my unlimited phone to the new note 4 before even putting the battery in and it activates? (as i've read from other people around here)
so is this good or am i missing something?
I'm thinking about buying it today so i just want to be sure.
Yeah pretty much. This is what I did in best buy last Friday
- upgrade the 6gb line to note 4
- take my UDP sim card and put it in note 4 even before it was powered
-put the new sim card (tied to 6gb now) into my old note 2
-now note 4 has a UDP and note 2 has a 6gb plan
It doesn't hurt also to tell the customer service guy what you intend to do. Most cases they'll be willing to confirm the method and help you out (based on my experience at least)
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andrep182 said:
Yeah pretty much. This is what I did in best buy last Friday
- upgrade the 6gb line to note 4
- take my UDP sim card and put it in note 4 even before it was powered
-put the new sim card (tied to 6gb now) into my old note 2
-now note 4 has a UDP and note 2 has a 6gb plan
It doesn't hurt also to tell the customer service guy what you intend to do. Most cases they'll be willing to confirm the method and help you out (based on my experience at least)
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Hey thanks man I appreciate it. Will do.
Baaaaah. I knew this was possible, however, while in the store they told me it wasn't. They said there was nothing they could do to the phone with the UDP because of the minutes associated with it, so that my bill would be up higher some ridiculous amount because I'd be forced to keep the old talk minutes from the family share.
Coolage2 said:
So would my steps be correct?
1. Use upgrade on 4 gig data plan to get note 4.
2. the sim card that comes with the galaxy note 4 holds the 4 gig data line so that goes into the current 4 gig data phone?
3. i just put my current sim card from my unlimited phone to the new note 4 before even putting the battery in and it activates? (as i've read from other people around here)
so is this good or am i missing something?
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Nope even more simpler, you don't need step 2. At the end you have a brand new SIM from the Note4 as spare. You don't need to touch your 4gb data line phone. When you received the new phone, just take the old sim from unlimited line and put into the note4.
Ok that makes me feel much better. One last question.
Since my phone is a bionic I have a mini sim and the note 4 has a micro. Could I actually have verizon transfer the plan from my mini to the micro that came with the note 4 or would I need a whole new micro sim card?
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Ok that makes me feel much better. One last question.
Since my phone is a bionic I have a mini sim and the note 4 has a micro. Could I actually have verizon transfer the plan from my mini to the micro that came with the note 4 or would I need a whole new micro sim card?
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Nope, not a problem if you don't have the same sim. When you received the new note4, power off the bionic, then call Verizon customer service and ask them you want to activate your note4 on your unlimited line. That's it.
If that's the case then this'll be much more easy than i thought assuming the verizon guy is willing to cooperate.
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If that's the case then this'll be much more easy than i thought assuming the verizon guy is willing to cooperate.
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Again, this is a normal procedure for the Verizon reps to activate your phone, nothing out of the norm. They will gladly do it without any issue. I have done this many times. Just tell them you received the phone for your line, but your wife loves the new phone, so you want to activate on the her line.
Will do. Thanks buddy.
I just did this same exact thing yesterday. A line on my family plan has a basic 3g phone with no data plan. I upgraded that, then did the whole switch on the internet when i got home from the internet. I got to even use the same sim that came with the note 4 on my account. I called verizon to put a data block on the 3g phone and also asked them if they still saw unlimited on my line. She was acting fishy and said she didn't see it, then i said that i saw it on my side and i've done this alternate upgrade twice in the past and if i lost my UDP, id return the phone tomorrow and switch to T-Mobile she then recommended the shared data plan and i told her no, i would go to verizon and return the phone and go to T-Mobile. Literally 5 seconds later she tells me "Ooooo i found it, you actually do still have unlimited. How great!".. I knew she was trying to play it off. But here I am downloading at 6MB/S at my home location :laugh:.
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I just did this same exact thing yesterday. A line on my family plan has a basic 3g phone with no data plan. I upgraded that, then did the whole switch on the internet when i got home from the internet. I got to even use the same sim that came with the note 4 on my account. I called verizon to put a data block on the 3g phone and also asked them if they still saw unlimited on my line. She was acting fishy and said she didn't see it, then i said that i saw it on my side and i've done this alternate upgrade twice in the past and if i lost my UDP, id return the phone tomorrow and switch to T-Mobile she then recommended the shared data plan and i told her no, i would go to verizon and return the phone and go to T-Mobile. Literally 5 seconds later she tells me "Ooooo i found it, you actually do still have unlimited. How great!".. I knew she was trying to play it off. But here I am downloading at 6MB/S at my home location :laugh:.
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So just to be 1000 percent sure on my behalf the transfer upgrade from basic line and switch back to basic plan after getting your new phone still works? I was just too much of a wuss to try it ,read a few horror stories on how vzw came back weeks later n took the unlimited away or forced the basic line to keep a data plan. If so I'll be doing this for my girl as she's jealous of my n4 or i may do this when the nexus. 6 drops. Any feedback from someone who did this with within the last month would be much appreciated
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So just to be 1000 percent sure on my behalf the transfer upgrade from basic line and switch back to basic plan after getting your new phone still works? I was just too much of a wuss to try it ,read a few horror stories on how vzw came back weeks later n took the unlimited away or forced the basic line to keep a data plan. If so I'll be doing this for my girl as she's jealous of my n4 or i may do this when the nexus. 6 drops. Any feedback from someone who did this with within the last month would be much appreciated
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If worse comes to worst, you can order the phone on a basic line from a Verizon store. Come home and immediately call Verizon and tell them that you want to do an alternate upgrade and but the basic phone back on the basic line and that you want to put the new Note on the UDP line. If they feed you the BS "we can't do that," thank them for their help and call another rep.... Although I've never had this issue... Ever! But let's say that start making the switch and tell you "the system isn't letting me make the switch without removing your unlimited," you can tell to leave the account how it is and that you'll be returning the note 4 the next morning.. There's only a $35 restocking fee but I literally did this whole process last night at 9 pm and it worked perfectly. The other plan reverts to a basic plan, you stay with the UDP, and end of story. I haven't heard about unlimited being taken away but there's competition on that you can threaten to leave to t-mobile if they try that in the future. Also one last measure which I think does work. If let's say, they do take away your UDP, I think you can return the phone and ask customer service to revert the line as it was before. I've heard mixed stories about this that it works for some and not for others. But ultimately, be honest and tell them you're doing the unlimited data plan loophole and you know it works because you have a few buddies that have done it successfully. They are willing to work with you.
Sorry for the long message! Hope this clears things up .
Alright tried unsuccessfully in one store but the reps are typically dicks there so no surprise I'm gonna try another nearby store and like you said worst case scenario If they come after my udp I'll just return the phone and get it back