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This is my 1st Android phone Overall the phone is simply superb esp cam and the screen and the looks - I am using the silver version and its the best looking phone as per me.
Coming from Iphone 3GS I think Sound Quality through headphone is not good enough.Its OK for casual listening but not good to use as a MP3 player.I have tried multiple headphones - Hippo VB, Nuforce NE7 and found overall quality of music is lacking. Even with PowerAmp, results were same. GSM arena test indicated distortions after connection headphone.
What DAC is used by the Xperia Arc ? Is there any chance that firmware update would improve the Sound quality ?
That's interesting. I come from SE c905, which I used as an mp3 player the whole time and was almost blown away by the sound quality of Xperia Arc.
But then, I guess I don't count as an audiophile anyway. ^^
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This is my 1st Android phone Overall the phone is simply superb esp cam and the screen and the looks - I am using the silver version and its the best looking phone as per me.
Coming from Iphone 3GS I think Sound Quality through headphone is not good enough.Its OK for casual listening but not good to use as a MP3 player.I have tried multiple headphones - Hippo VB, Nuforce NE7 and found overall quality of music is lacking. Even with PowerAmp, results were same. GSM arena test indicated distortions after connection headphone.
What DAC is used by the Xperia Arc ? Is there any chance that firmware update would improve the Sound quality ?
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I also come from a iPhone 3GS and I'm quite pleased with the sound
here is GSM arena result (headphone attached)
Xperia Arc
THD : 0.179
IMD + Noise : 0.314
Stereo crosstalk: -46.6
Iphone 4
THD : 0.0036
IMD + Noise : 0.092
Stereo crosstalk: -68.4
Xperia Arc lacks in these 3 areas compared to Iphone.
I read Galaxy S with Vodoo driver is best audio output ever seen. Can anyone compare the output with Vodoo ?
cherryfish said:
That's interesting. I come from SE c905, which I used as an mp3 player the whole time and was almost blown away by the sound quality of Xperia Arc.
But then, I guess I don't count as an audiophile anyway. ^^
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bartbla said:
I also come from a iPhone 3GS and I'm quite pleased with the sound
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Overall Sound quality is good - it is just not audiophile grade IMO . I think only with decent headphones you can find the difference.
Which headphones have you used?
I'm very critical of sound quality and think that my Arc sounds better than my ipod and my daughters ipod touch.. I don't really pay much attention to stats.. they're mostly meaningless..
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Stereo crosstalk is the only problem you can hear when you're using headset (and that's only if you try to listen L and R discrete audio with only 1 earplug attached). Every other stats is pretty much good (inaudible, if there's imperfection)
Not an audiophile, so maybe you can catch all the tiny little noise by your ear that I can't
I switch phones quite often and have had samsungs, motorolas, and ofcource once upon a time an iiphone.
This is the first time I have a SE, I must say I think it has the best audio compared to all other brands out there. I use it with my klipsch headphones and while its not the best, I like it alot.
The samsung with Voodoo is much better than stalk, but I think my arc is still marginally better than Sam+Voodoo
Don't wish to start an argument but surely if you're an audiophile, you wouldn't be using a phone to listen to music on.
I also have an iphone 4 and to be honest i cant tell a different at all between the sound quality, so its just as good if not better than the iphone 4. The phone also has easy to access equalizers within the music app..
Its ok, I would put it next to an iPod.
I think it lacks overall, giving a ... medium experience.
Im using Phonaks Audeo PFE.
It cant compare against a Cowon E2 though and thats probably the cheapest of Cowons line.
Also the placement of the headphones jack is so stupid, since I use a phone bag, I cant put it inside the bag while listening music ...
If I want quality I use my Cowon, for random music listening I take my Arc.
Im not an audiophile yet, but I do care about clearness and detailed sound. Those youtube rips give me goosebumps when I hear them
wow majority of you are pleased with the sound quality It will be interesting to know on which setup you have tested the music . Lets start a template to compare Sound Quality(SQ)
Headphone used :
Your previous SQ benchmark :
Music Player Used on the Arc:
(Stock, powerAmp etc)
Music files used:
Equalizer used :
Overall SQ impression:
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Headphone used : Hippo VB
Your previous SQ benchmark : Iphone
Music Player Used on the Arc: Stock player
(Stock, powerAmp etc)
Music files used : MP3 all encoded at 320kbps
Equalizer used : Flat(very less energetic) , Hip pop (boosts the bass and treble but it suits music I hear - Trance)
Overall SQ impression:
Decent enough but overall clarity is not top notch. Bass is not as deep. Treble is smooth. Loudness is not a problem at least for me . I would rate SQ 7 out 10. ( Iphone 9 out 10 )
I use power amp with equal bass and trebble. With sennheiser mm70i soldered to Arc stock cables. The sound quality is as good if not better of iPhone.
The mm70i was designed for iPhone of course
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Does DPS Manager from CyanogenMod works? Maybe you could improve the sound quality using that. I used to have HTC Wildfire so SE is far more best.
Headphone used : stock
Your previous SQ benchmark : SE C905
Music Player Used on the Arc: stock
(Stock, powerAmp etc)
Music files used: stock ones, some of my own (now I actually hear a difference in the quality, lol ^^)
Equalizer used : Normal, Rock
Overall SQ impression: I was pretty impressed by the sound, especially the bass, especially in Rock mode. Not at all an expert, though. ;-)
1235sam said:
here is GSM arena result (headphone attached)
Xperia Arc
THD : 0.179
IMD + Noise : 0.314
Stereo crosstalk: -46.6
Iphone 4
THD : 0.0036
IMD + Noise : 0.092
Stereo crosstalk: -68.4
Xperia Arc lacks in these 3 areas compared to Iphone.
I read Galaxy S with Vodoo driver is best audio output ever seen. Can anyone compare the output with Vodoo ?
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Before my iPhone 3Gs I used a Galaxy S with stock software, the sound was overdone (to much mid and distorted) by the standard samsung eq settings and they could not be disabled...
This was one of the reasons to go back to a iPhone 3Gs, but now the sound on my Arc is as good or better.
The SQ of the Arc is good but not perfect. Even with high quality iems (I use my Sennheiser IE8 and Sony EX700's) the soundstage isn't that great either. If you want good sound quality, go for a standalone mp3 player from Sony, Cowon or Samsung. I still use my Sony X Series Walkman and I must say that the sound quality is brilliant.
I am curious to know which DAC is used in the Arc.
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I am curious to know which DAC is used in the Arc.
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anyone ?
I read in a website (gsmareana.com I think) that the audio with the headphone connected has higher than normal cross-talk and IM distortion. Is this true? Is this tablet on par with the likes of the high end Sony Walkman MP3 Players? Would you consider the sound audiophile quality?
hello all,
When you compare the mi5 and the OP3 we can notice that the audio quality of the mi5 is better. The mi5 uses integrated Qualcomm Aqstic audio codec which delivers high quality audio but my real question is, can we get the same audio on the oneplus 3 as they both have the same snapdragon 820 chipset? I dont have much knowledge about if it would work or not but if there is a possibility then we should try to port it.
You must be doing something wrong, the audio quality from the headphones from both these phones is near identical. Qualcomm Aqstic is a marketing gimmick as Qualcomm processors don't even use that good DACs to start with. The OnePlus 3 uses an NXP audio amp which I'm pretty sure the mi5 doesn't have an off board amp which makes it so that the OnePlus 3 can drive bigger higher impedance headphones. Now you probably have some sound enhancements enabled on your mi5 which CHANGE the sound not make it better. Look in your audio settings you probably have the Mi sound enhancement thing on
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You must be doing something wrong, the audio quality from the headphones from both these phones is near identical. Qualcomm Aqstic is a marketing gimmick as Qualcomm processors don't even use that good DACs to start with. The OnePlus 3 uses an NXP audio amp which I'm pretty sure the mi5 doesn't have an off board amp which makes it so that the OnePlus 3 can drive bigger higher impedance headphones. Now you probably have some sound enhancements enabled on your mi5 which CHANGE the sound not make it better. Look in your audio settings you probably have the Mi sound enhancement thing on
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I don't own either of these phones, in fact I have an LG G4 and I am planning on buying either the mi5 or the oneplus 3. According to all the reviews the audio is better on the mi5 so I was wondering if we could port this on the oneplus 3. I don't know much about DACs or amps so I wouldn't really know but if the mi sound enhancement works on the mi5 then why couldn't we port that to the OP3?
If you plan to root the phone, install viper4android, best audio enhancement I've come across... Used it for the past 4 or 5 years on 3 or 4 devices now.
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I don't own either of these phones, in fact I have an LG G4 and I am planning on buying either the mi5 or the oneplus 3. According to all the reviews the audio is better on the mi5 so I was wondering if we could port this on the oneplus 3. I don't know much about DACs or amps so I wouldn't really know but if the mi sound enhancement works on the mi5 then why couldn't we port that to the OP3?
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My brother has the LG G4 and this thing blows it out of the water in terms of straight sound quality no mods. The test done by GSMArena that shows it underperforms in the headphone area was before a sound quality software update i think 3.2.0 or w 3.2.1. it should be on par with the mi5 in sound quality at least. it can drive headphones very loud also so its not like the Galaxy S6 with very good sound quality but not loud at all
Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
Even I am interested in this. The specs talk about Hi-res audio. It has Dual 5-magnet speakers with dual NXP smart amplifiers and PMIC internal dual amplifier according to the specs. Does it really have a DAC or does it only have amplifiers. How is the sound quality. I would really like somebody to post their review.
DAC Performance
I don't have technical details on the DAC inside, and I have don't have v30 to compare, but I can tell you that the sound quality combined with DTS is amazing.
I am quite an audiofile and I was impressed with the sound quality. I don't like the bundled earphones unfortunately. I used my BT headset.
I have a P20 as well, which is a much more expensive phone with a DAC, and 5Z's sound quality is comparable. I love P20's headphones though.
The most important and the best thing about 5Z is that DAC/DTS works for bluetooth headphones as well. I have not seen any phone having this feature (may be S9, but I don't know). With phones such as OP, I had to root and use Viper4Android to make by BT headphones sound better. Now, with 5Z, I can keep my phone unrooted and enjoy the great audio experience.
Unfortunately, I don't like the UI and animations of 5Z, and I would use a custom rom when available. I am sure such roms will come for 5Z because with such high-end specs and aggressive pricing, many developers would buy this phone
Cheers
Andrew Lin said:
Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
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The sound is good but not on par with LG g6 for example. LG is way ahead in the sound part.
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I have both LG g6 and g7 but the Zenfone 5Z's sound is the best!!
5z doesn’t have any dedicated DAC as per few video reviews beebom or igyaan audio quality and amplification via headphone jack is not that great. I have a v20 with root and high impedance mode always on. I don’t think this phone compares to any of the recent LG flagships in terms of audio quality.The only place where 5z beats LG would be in the loudspeaker setup where 5z has stereo setup.
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I don't have technical details on the DAC inside, and I have don't have v30 to compare, but I can tell you that the sound quality combined with DTS is amazing.
I am quite an audiofile and I was impressed with the sound quality. I don't like the bundled earphones unfortunately. I used my BT headset.
I have a P20 as well, which is a much more expensive phone with a DAC, and 5Z's sound quality is comparable. I love P20's headphones though.
The most important and the best thing about 5Z is that DAC/DTS works for bluetooth headphones as well. I have not seen any phone having this feature (may be S9, but I don't know). With phones such as OP, I had to root and use Viper4Android to make by BT headphones sound better. Now, with 5Z, I can keep my phone unrooted and enjoy the great audio experience.
Unfortunately, I don't like the UI and animations of 5Z, and I would use a custom rom when available. I am sure such roms will come for 5Z because with such high-end specs and aggressive pricing, many developers would buy this phone
Cheers
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I sincerely hope you weren't serious when you said you are an audiophile!
First of all, you can't rate any phone's DAC or AMP performance by using BT headset. Bluetooth headphones have their own inbuilt DAC that they use to process sound when they receive audio in the form of digital signal via Bluetooth from the phone. Then by using their internal inbuilt DAC they convert that Digital signal to Analog signal.
Second of all, are you even serious when you rate Huawei P20/P20 pro sound as great ? Huawei/Honor phones have one of the weakest audio performance out there. Puny amp, okayish DAC, nothing more. Similar is the case with P20/pro.
"P20 is a phone with a DAC !" Which phone isn't the one with DAC? Every phone has one. Some use inbuilt one inside their processors, some employ custom ones for better sound fidelity.
"DAC/DTS works for headphones too!" DAC doesn't work for Bluetooth headphones, it's just that 5z allows to change sound settings of Bluetooth headphones from phone's stock settings. It by no way means that phone's DAC is being involved in Bluetooth headphones. It's simply not possible.
And DAC and DTS aren't the same things either that they can be written interchangeably.
I hope it helps. I by no way mean that 5z has bad audio quality but just corrected some of the things that weren't correct.
I frequently use aux in my car and this is the first device that doesn’t make distortion in sound during high volume. I love it. My car sound system is like concert place now.
The whole Hi-Res audio thing is mainly just marketing and playback support, less to do with the actual quality of the DAC and amp. Nowadays most smartphones can play 24-bit audio at high sample rates (eg. 192kHz). Sony marketed that for many years but their phones kept using on-board Qualcomm DACs with low output voltage (~0.35V from Z5 to XZ Premium). I have the Z5 and I think it's audio quality is good for IEMs but it can't drive some larger headphones very well.
ASUS says there's smart amplifiers but those seem to be for the speakers rather than the headphone. PhoneArena did a review recently and measured the output voltage of the headphone jack to be only 0.252V! That's even lower than the Sony Xperia XZ Premium (0.36V). Of course it's not the end-all, but a higher output voltage would be better at driving higher impedance headphones.
Some users talk about EQ modes sounding better but these things can't improve the quality of the hardware's output (eg. distortion and stereo crosstalk). All they can do is alter the tuning to your preference.
The DAC on the 5Z is just ok ; not audiophile grade by any yard stick . It struggles with high impedance proper headphones like ATH
Which ATH do you have? I had MSR7 and the Xperia Z5 (0.35V) was good enough to drive it for most songs. Does it hiss with low impedance IEMs? Do you hear any distortion or stereo crosstalk? Hopefully someone does measurements...
How does it perform compared to Xperia Z5 to XZ Premium?
I am currently having Sound Magic e80c earphones which have impedance of 64 Ohms. Can one confirm whether it can work on 5z? Currently I am using it with Oneplus One and it works fine.
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I am currently having Sound Magic e80c earphones which have impedance of 64 Ohms. Can one confirm whether it can work on 5z? Currently I am using it with Oneplus One and it works fine.
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You will be disappointed. As the output voltage is quite low, this phone isn't capable of driving high impedance headphones.
It's a shame that Asus is making fool of people in the name of "DTS headphone". I have e10C and I have to take the volume all the way upto 100% for movies.
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Which ATH do you have? I had MSR7 and the Xperia Z5 (0.35V) was good enough to drive it for most songs. Does it hiss with low impedance IEMs? Do you hear any distortion or stereo crosstalk? Hopefully someone does measurements...
How does it perform compared to Xperia Z5 to XZ Premium?
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M30x ..
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Rahul 2007 said:
You will be disappointed. As the output voltage is quite low, this phone isn't capable of driving high impedance headphones.
It's a shame that Asus is making fool of people in the name of "DTS headphone". I have e10C and I have to take the volume all the way upto 100% for movies.
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Yeah the DTS headphone X is a gimmick ..
I think there is presently no phone in the market which will come near LG V20, G6, V30 and G7 headphone audio performance, particularly with respect to driving high impedance ear/head phones. Actually, I am searching for another brand other than LG which will give a similar high end audio performance. I have a V20 and partnering that with my Sony MDR 7506 headphones or Venture Electronics MonkPlus earbuds (both having impedance around 60 ohms), the sound quality is awesome which I never found in other smartphones.
Andrew Lin said:
Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
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Just sold my LG v30+ due to screen ghosting issues and bought the 5z.
The DAC is good for headphones.
I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
All these phones are nothing compared to a vibe p1 on resurrection remix
I have LG v20 and in the hopes of gettin listening to mind-blowing awesome sound, I bought FiiO music player and I couldn't get satisfied on anything. Poweramp on LG always destroys low end or certain frequencies (usually male voice) when pushed a little hard and when not pushed, there's no low end to talk about at all. FiiO has no low end frequency at all.
The only thing that came have a little satisfaction was my good old Lenovo Vibe p1 on resurrection remix. Seeing how you guys are rating LG v20 as great or the best, is there something I'm not doing to get the best out of it? I've tried it on earphones, Bluetooth etc but it just doesn't cut it.
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I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
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May be it can drive .. but I find the audio fidelity not that great compared to even the A1 . Music just doesn't sound wholesome .
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i owned lg g6 and the 5z audio quality is not that bad by any means, it's quite OK by 2018 smartphone standard, with it's gimmicky features such as dtx, hi res audio support , etc.
the LG quad dac is the king in the smartphone audio for now, but again, the 5z audio quality is not bad, unless you are very picky about audio quality,
even lg g6 / v30 dac chip still can't compete with my iBasso dx150.
if you never use a true hi res audio player before, the 5z audio quality will be just fine for you.
even for me imho, it's good enough.
Hi, I just got my phone, and it has low sound when playing media and with distortion, could it be that my unit is faulty?
Sound quality through headphone jack is good to me, its stereo speaker is fine. I had a lenovo vibe x3 which has same DAC chip as LG V10 and i think mate 20 sounds better. And louder too. But my mate 20 has yellow tint issue on half bottom display, like top is cold but bottom has warm color. How about yours?
Speaker is trash, compare to Mate 9 and Mate 10.
Can anyone tell me what sound quality is like out of the speakers. Don't mean headphone jack just the speakers themselves???
Thanks
zaqwdcvfr said:
Sound quality through headphone jack is good to me, its stereo speaker is fine. I had a lenovo vibe x3 which has same DAC chip as LG V10 and i think mate 20 sounds better. And louder too. But my mate 20 has yellow tint issue on half bottom display, like top is cold but bottom has warm color. How about yours?
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I now have Lenovo Vibe X3 and I'm thinking about buying Huawei Mate 20 because of its screen and battery. But sound quality... Are you kidding??? Mate cannot sound better just because Lenovo Vibe X3 has a dedicated sound guts (one of the best implementations of mobile DAC and a couple of amplifiers) whereas Huawei - not. There are sound labs test which tested Huawei. And it's not a musicphone. FOR SURE...
listening in Neutron app (both phone support hires) with same headphone (Fiio F9 pro) gave me that personal opinion, yeah im not kidding when it comes to music. gsm tested same dac for different result (kirin 970 and 980 using same dac) and what make that mate 20 sound lab test result was bad for listening to music. at the time i bought mate 20, i considered note 8 exynos version also, had brought an earphone to test both and bought my first huawei in the end.
Que DAC de audio tiene el mate 20? Es "HD"?
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Que DAC de audio tiene el mate 20? Es "HD"?
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Works in HD mode with good headphones, i dont had problem with sony WH-1000XM3 and poweramp paid and beta version, getting 96khz, 24 bit of output with codec ldac bluetooth, with cable u ll get 192khz
mate 20 speaker sound a bit poor compared to mate 10 or even mate 9 ,
Not a lil bit, really poor compare to Mate 9 and 10
Use this App it's work with me to boost the sound.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.goodev.volume.booster&hl=en_US
You can not boost the sound because the hardware is trash.