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Hi I want to buy a Samsung Note 8.0 for which model should I buy. I live in U.S. I know the LTE version here in US don't have phone capabilities. Can I install a custom rom for the one in US, if there is one, can someone point me to a thread. Please help, Thank you
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Hi I want to buy a Samsung Note 8.0 for which model should I buy. I live in U.S. I know the LTE version here in US don't have phone capabilities. Can I install a custom rom for the one in US, if there is one, can someone point me to a thread. Please help, Thank you
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Though I don't live in US, I don't think you could add phone feature by changing the rom.
I think you would have to have the international version that permits calls. I'm not sure if that will work in the states though because of frequencies etc.
Galaxy Note 8.0 Xposed Build N5120XXCMH2 / Baseband N5120XXBMD9 / Kernel CivZ-SphereXtreme-REV on Telstra LTE
If you're looking at the AT&T branded Note 8, SGH-i467, there's a thread in this forum on getting the phone capability enabled. I don't think anyone has been totally successful doing that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2430527
If VoIP will sufficiently meet your calling needs, you'll be fine with that model. If you don't want to deal with the idiosyncrasies associated with VoIP, get the international version, GT-N5100. The LTE frequencies won't work on AT&T's or T-Mobile's networks so you'll be at HSPA+ speeds, but it is a true 8" smartphone.
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afblangley said:
If you're looking at the AT&T branded Note 8, SGH-i467, there's a thread in this forum on getting the phone capability enabled. I don't think anyone has been totally successful doing that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2430527
If VoIP will sufficiently meet your calling needs, you'll be fine with that model. If you don't want to deal with the idiosyncrasies associated with VoIP, get the international version, GT-N5100. The LTE frequencies won't work on AT&T's or T-Mobile's networks so you'll be at HSPA+ speeds, but it is a true 8" smartphone.
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I bought one from amazon and it had calling capability. Should be the same for all of them.
The are different variants of the Note 8. Some have phone capability and some do not. The most common variant sold in the US (in Best Buy and big box stores) is WiFi only. The model sold in AT&T stores has LTE, but the phone functionality has been removed. The N5100, available thro some Amazon vendors, its a true smartphone, but only works on AT&T and T-Mobile's HSPA+ network.
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afblangley said:
The are different variants of the Note 8. Some have phone capability and some do not. The most common variant sold in the US (in Best Buy and big box stores) is WiFi only. The model sold in AT&T stores has LTE, but the phone functionality has been removed. The N5100, available thro some Amazon vendors, its a true smartphone, but only works on AT&T and T-Mobile's HSPA+ network.
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I use a note 8 LTE as my phone here in UK and am absolutly loving it....had to change from 3 mobile to O2 as 3 dont allow phone sims in tablets, seems O2 do cos its been working fine for about 3-4 weeks.
Rather than look foolish with a tablet next to my ear I purchased a galaxy gear which is not fully working as I am on stock 4.2.
Got rid of my note 2 and note 10.1 and have just a note 8, best thing I ever did!!!
Just bought a used Note 8 with LTE. I thought that was a N5120, but in the ABOUT section it calls it an SGH-i467M.
What do I have?
Thank you
Goto: Settings -> About device -> Model number, and it will answer your question .
As far as I know the only difference between GT-N5120 and SGH-i467M is that SGH-i467M is the model number used by AT&T in the USA and Roger's in Canada. But take that with a grain of salt -- I'm a GT-N5110 (Wi-Fi) owner.
Spidey01 said:
Goto: Settings -> About device -> Model number, and it will answer your question .
As far as I know the only difference between GT-N5120 and SGH-i467M is that SGH-i467M is the model number used by AT&T in the USA and Roger's in Canada. But take that with a grain of salt -- I'm a GT-N5110 (Wi-Fi) owner.
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Thanks Spidey01. I hear conflicting things, some say I will brick it if I use the 5120 ROM (4.2.2) and some like you say it's a name. Not ready to take a chance yet.
You might be able to ask your national branch of Samsung support but I'm honestly not sure they would know the difference. Their websites not very clear as far as I know. Here in the USA, it's classified as the SGH-I467ZWAATT for the LTE model and AT&T only.
They offer the Note 10.1 2014 on 2 out of 4 major carriers (T-Mobile, VZW) and the Note Pro 12.2 on 2 out of 4 major carriers (AT&T, VZW).
When I bought my Note 8, I went with the Wi-Fi only GT-N5110 because the 3G based GT-N5100 cost an too much via Amazon, darn imports.
Spidey01 said:
You might be able to ask your national branch of Samsung support but I'm honestly not sure they would know the difference. Their websites not very clear as far as I know. Here in the USA, it's classified as the SGH-I467ZWAATT for the LTE model and AT&T only.
They offer the Note 10.1 2014 on 2 out of 4 major carriers (T-Mobile, VZW) and the Note Pro 12.2 on 2 out of 4 major carriers (AT&T, VZW).
When I bought my Note 8, I went with the Wi-Fi only GT-N5110 because the 3G based GT-N5100 cost an too much via Amazon, darn imports.
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hmmm for a moment I had to look that 5120 model up. I see that it is the 3G, 4G/LTE, Wifi version. I only have the 5110 Wifi version.
Anyway, according to Samsung you have the AT&T US version.
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twospirits said:
hmmm for a moment I had to look that 5120 model up. I see that it is the 3G, 4G/LTE, Wifi version. I only have the 5110 Wifi version.
Anyway, according to Samsung you have the AT&T US version.
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Yup. It's a basterdized version of the 5120. There is no microphone, can't use any voice programs. They didn't want people using it to make phone calls. You wonder why I hate Rogers.
But I've also heard that if you try to put a 5120 ROM on, even if you use the Rogers LTE radio, you will brick it. Pretty sad. And they won't update it from the original 4.1.2.
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Yup. It's a basterdized version of the 5120. There is no microphone, can't use any voice programs. They didn't want people using it to make phone calls. You wonder why I hate Rogers.
But I've also heard that if you try to put a 5120 ROM on, even if you use the Rogers LTE radio, you will brick it. Pretty sad. And they won't update it from the original 4.1.2.
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No Microphone! hmm Well I guess I can cross out that model off my list. In another thread I mentioned that I plan on selling my wifi version and get the AT&T version and use it on T-Mobile but if there is no microphone than like you said, you can't make calls.
Guess I will have to get either the more expensive international version GT-N5100 or GT-N5120.
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Just a point of clarification, there are several differences between the N5100 and i467 that make it unsuitable as a primary phone. Besides the lack of a microphone, there's no ear speaker. Most importantly, there is no phone app, and nobody has been able to develop one that works reliably (there's a thread dedicated to this topic). So calls on an i467 would be VoIP.
Lastly, the N5120 is not well suited for the US, it has different frequency bands than the N5100. If you're using AT&T's or T-Mobile's network, get the i467 or the N5100, there is no advantage to getting the N5120.
http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/support/model/GT-N5120ZWATGY-techspecs
http://www.samsung.com/latin_en/consumer/mobile-phones/galaxy-note/galaxy-note/GT-N5100ZWLTPA-spec
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab/SGH-I467ZWAATT-specs
afblangley said:
Just a point of clarification, there are several differences between the N5100 and i467 that make it unsuitable as a primary phone. Besides the lack of a microphone, there's no ear speaker. Most importantly, there is no phone app, and nobody has been able to develop one that works reliably (there's a thread dedicated to this topic). So calls on an i467 would be VoIP.
Lastly, the N5120 is not well suited for the US, it has different frequency bands than the N5100. If you're using AT&T's or T-Mobile's network, get the i467 or the N5100, there is no advantage to getting the N5120.
http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/support/model/GT-N5120ZWATGY-techspecs
http://www.samsung.com/latin_en/consumer/mobile-phones/galaxy-note/galaxy-note/GT-N5100ZWLTPA-spec
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab/SGH-I467ZWAATT-specs
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How would you make VoIP calls with no microphone?
I don't have the i467, but I assume calls can be made using a headset. Prior to the N5100, I had a Tab 7.7 and made calls via VoIP using the speakerphone or bluetooth headset.
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How would you make VoIP calls with no microphone?
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Use an external microphone, i.e. 3.5mm or Bluetooth headset.
I467 has a mic
harry_fine said:
Yup. It's a basterdized version of the 5120. There is no microphone, can't use any voice programs. They didn't want people using it to make phone calls. You wonder why I hate Rogers
But I've also heard that if you try to put a 5120 ROM on, even if you use the Rogers LTE radio, you will brick it. Pretty sad. And they won't update it from the original 4.1.2.
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There is a mic in the AT&T SGH-I467 Note 8. Just that it has no radio for voice communication. I use Skype to make phone call voice over ip. I should wish AT&T is not all the users of this model. They have consistently delay the release of any Android updates since 4.1.2
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There is a mic in the AT&T SGH-I467 Note 8. Just that it has no radio for voice communication. I use Skype to make phone call voice over ip. I should wish AT&T is not all the users of this model. They have consistently delay the release of any Android updates since 4.1.2
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Doncha love the info peeps put out about the I467 model. Makes me wonder who to trust on these threads.
I have an AT&T model right now in the UK doing very well mind you... VOIP works using Text Plus.
Just have to sort out blasted SIM cards. As Britain does not play well with Belgium and Belgium does not play well with Holland. Like You need a SIM for every country in Europe. Bloody hell!!!!
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How would you make VoIP calls with no microphone?
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The AT&T SGH-I467 has a microphone and places VoIP calls superbly. I use it all the time. Please people. Do some research before presenting information that is not correct (i'm not saying your post was incorrect harry_fine). Incorrect info (models, specs, so forth) pollutes the threads and adds confusion to some already confusing topics for new users. -smiles-
Comparison
The following page may serve as a comparison between GT-N5100 and SGH-i467:
phonemore.com/compare/phones/samsung-galaxy-note-80-gt-n5100-16gb-vs-samsung-galaxy-note-80-4g-sgh-i467-16gb/814727
However it concludes that i467 is better than N5100 as the former is 4G LTE supported while the latter is 3G only. Dont know how much credibility in that.
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If there is no microphone, how does the camera record with sound? Look directly above the power button, you will find the microphone (at least on the I467)
I know this is an old thread, but since no one has responded to my new thread, I will ask my question here.
I have an I467 (yes, it has a mic, but NO phone app. You use VOIP instead) that needs an LCD/digitizer replacement.
The price of this assembly is quite high if it is advertised specifically for I467. I guess they are the Samsung OEM part.
The LCD/digitzer for N5100 or N5110 are cheaper. However, will they work on I467? Many sellers on eBay claim their LCD/digitizer will work for *BOTH* N5110 and I467 because they think I467 is Wi-Fi only too just like N5110. This is obviously a mistake. I467 is 4G LTE. I have it working in my hand!
However, since LCD/digitizer is not a function related to radio, just because N5100 is 3G, it doesn't mean its LCD would work on I467. Likewise just because N5110 is Wi-Fi only, it doesn't mean the display won't work on I467. I see it more like a mechanical fitting issue. Does anyone know for sure?
Lastly, does N5120 have the exact same hardware as I467 but differ only in software (e.g it has been programmed with different frequency bands)?
p.s. unrelated subject but a hard learned lesson to share. I467 (AT&T) has a locked bootloader. My understanding is I467M (note the ending -M) is the Canadian version, which is not locked, but I am not sure. Now this bootloader is so restricted that even if you download a STOCK ROM specifically for I467 (AT&T) posted online, it can still brick the phone! It happened to my first I467. I got a message saying software not authorized by AT&T has been detected, but it was an I467 *STOCK* ROM! Obviously AT&T has several different I467 ROMs, and those online resources do NOT have all revisions. Unless you put the same revision that you get from OTA or Samsung Kies, the bootloader would still reject it.
SGH-I467 is the AT&T version. SGH-I467M (note the ending M) is the Canadian version. Many people are mixing these two, but the difference can get you!
The AT&T version has the bootloader locked, but the Canadian version is UNLOCKED.
It is very easy to root SGH-I467M but much harder with an SGH-I467!
With a locked bootloader, I had to try many different tools and finally was able to root with Kingo Root (not Kingroot).
GT-5120 has an earpiece and proximity sensor. SGH-I467 does NOT. I don't know if SGH-I467M has these 2 hardware since mine is SGH-I467.
Although all 3 are LTE, since GT-5120 is an international version, it wouldn't have the same frequency bands as SGH-I467 or SGH-I467M.
Spidey01 said:
Goto: Settings -> About device -> Model number, and it will answer your question .
As far as I know the only difference between GT-N5120 and SGH-i467M is that SGH-i467M is the model number used by AT&T in the USA and Roger's in Canada. But take that with a grain of salt -- I'm a GT-N5110 (Wi-Fi) owner.
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SGH-I467 is AT&T (no ending M), but SGH-I467M is made for the Canadian carriers.
Though they are almost identical, they do have one vital difference. SGH-I467 has the bootloader LOCKED while SGH-I467M does NOT.
Since both SGH-I467M and GT-N5120 have unlocked bootloader, I was thinking about buying a GT-N5120 motherboard and swapping it into my SGH-I467. I wasn't planning on buying a SGH-I467M motherboard because I couldn't find them. Though GT-N5120 has international frequency bands not available in the U.S., with an unlocked bootloader, I thought I could just swap in my carrier's, T-Mobile, modem code.
Now I don't think it is doable at all. I have a Canadian Galaxy S4, SGH-I337M (bootloader unlocked, unlike the AT&T version). I tried to download T-Mobile's modem to my S4 thinking it may give me better data rate. Odin prompted Fail! (Auth) and S4 showed Secure Check Fail! After some googling, I realize regardless of unlocked bootloader, these phones/tablets are engineered to check if authorized modem codes are being flashed. I know for sure my S4's bootloader is unlocked because I have installed TWRP for recovery.
Since GT-N5120 has international frequency bands, turning it into a North American tablet is DOA if another carrier's modem code cannot be installed. If anyone questions why a custom ROM can be flashed to a phone/tablet with unlocked bootloader, it is because a custom ROM seldom comes with the modem code!
Really looking for a tablet that has the ability to make regular voice calls. I was interested in a xperia z ultra with its 6.4 " screen but would like something even bigger than that. I have read that voice calls are enabled in the tab pro and tab s series. Is this true? Obviously I would need a connected version. Are there any models that would work with my current Verizon sim? I am considering going tmobile if that is easier. I'm not sure why its so difficult to get a tablet with the capability to make phone calls. The Asus fonepad 7 interested me but the lack of high end specs dissapoints me. Does anyone have any suggestions? The 8.4 pro or tab s is the perfect size I think.
Run a search in the general thread on experience on T-mobile. If you get the international LTE version, it will supposedly work with voice on T-mobile with HSPA speed (no LTE available on US bands). Based on the bands, it would not work on Verizon that I am aware of. I do not believe a U.S. LTE version was ever released. Based on the 8.4 Tab S LTE (released on ATT), if they were to release a U.S. version, it would be without voice.
Here is a good place to start:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2768443
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2655241
Oh, and don't forget to hit thanks if this is helpful.
Getting a google voice #, download hangouts and the hangouts dialer, then any Android device connected to the internet can make voice calls.
I'm in the US and most of the US tablets have the cellphone functions disabled. I'm on AT&T Currently with a Huawei Mediapad X1 (LTE doesn't work, but HSPA+ seems decent enough)
It seems that if I get an international version the phone stuff is enabled, but then LTE probably won't work in the US?
Just looking for some direction as I'm only planning on buying the Tab S 8.4 if I can use it as my phone as well, I have no need to carry 2 devices.
I'm also finding it hard to tell which versions have the Snapdragon CPU. From what I can tell the CPU performance between Exynos and Snapdragon seems about the same, but the GPU performance of the Snapdragon seems much better. I do play a fair amount of games.
Thanks!
I am not great on the version numbers but T705 is the standard exynos 4G version.
I would say go for one where you can get a firmware for the UK or somewhere else.
My T805 (10.5" exynos 4G) has all the phone functions.
lynxblaine said:
I am not great on the version numbers but T705 is the standard exynos 4G version.
I would say go for one where you can get a firmware for the UK or somewhere else.
My T805 (10.5" exynos 4G) has all the phone functions.
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Is your T805 a US model?
So if I pickup a US LTE version can I just root it and add back the dialer app to make it work as a phone? Or do they lock out the phone functions some other way in the US?
Mine is a UK T805, but if it is actually that model, so a T705. It will be Exynos 4G. You got a few websites you are looking on that I can look at the models for you?
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Mine is a UK T805, but if it is actually that model, so a T705. It will be Exynos 4G. You got a few websites you are looking on that I can look at the models for you?
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If I get an international one from Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LVUUM6A/ref=gno_cart_title_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1QPS08K9FKKNF
That should work fine as a phone and the LTE ones should be snapdragon 800 equipped.
The issue is these international ones won't work with LTE bands in the US
So that's why i'm wondering if I get a US one (LTE bands will work in the US of course) can I somehow get the software on it to be able to use as a phone (As the US disables phone capability somehow)
My current phone is a Chinese LTE phone, the LTE does not work in the US, but I do get HSPA+ which is decent enough, It would just be nice to have US LTE and Phone working...
What network are you using, can check what Bands they are using?
lynxblaine said:
What network are you using, can check what Bands they are using?
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I'm on AT&T, I already know the international LTE phones won't work on the AT&T LTE Bands. I'll just have to live with HSPA+
So you would be getting a T707A if you got the AT&T specific one. or a T705 for the international.
There are no T707A custom ROMs, only for rooting. I guess it will not have phone software Regardless of the version of software on samfirmware.
T705 will do 3G nicely, where I live I get HSPA+ and its quick - only get 4G in town.
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So you would be getting a T707A if you got the AT&T specific one. or a T705 for the international.
There are no T707A custom ROMs, only for rooting. I guess it will not have phone software Regardless of the version of software on samfirmware.
T705 will do 3G nicely, where I live I get HSPA+ and its quick - only get 4G in town.
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Pretty much what I figured, I will just get the T705 international one and just live with HSPA+
From what I can tell all the T705 are snapdragon 800's, That Amazon link doesn't say what CPU it has. I'm pretty sure i'd rather have the snapdragon over the Exynos as the GPU appears to be way faster.
I think you will find the T705 is an exynos. Dont be fooled as with the intel modem they put exynos in their 4G versions.
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I think you will find the T705 is an exynos. Dont be fooled as with the intel modem they put exynos in their 4G versions.
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Hmmm, Exynos CPU seems fast enough, its the GPU I keep hearing is severely lacking with such a high resolution.....
I haven't had issues myself - I have found it fast. Especially if you disable any crap that comes with it you don't need.
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I haven't had issues myself - I have found it fast. Especially if you disable any crap that comes with it you don't need.
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Ok, good to hear. It will get rooted pretty quickly and I will remove as much junk as I can...
Where can the Note 10+ Global Exynos variant be purchased? Can it be purchased on the Samsung website like the US variants can?
Trying to grab the Exynos variant since it’s going to have the development potential.
TheForceUnleashed said:
Where can the Note 10+ Global Exynos variant be purchased? Can it be purchased on the Samsung website like the US variants can?
Trying to grab the Exynos variant since it’s going to have the development potential.
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I have purchased Exynos Variants for a bunch of different Samsung phones over the years. the "F" variant, N975F will work on ATT and or TMobile with no issues. (or N975F/DS)
If you want to buy, I have used two different places to buy in the past - both offer the Note 10 now -
Clove UK
or EBAY
Clove is an excellent source, fast shipping - good customer service and the major sellers on EBAY are also very good. I have used "Never MSRP" and I have heard that there are several others that I have heard are very good and reliable.
Whatever you choose, good luck
What version of the Note 10+ w/ an unlocked bootloader would be the best choice to use for Verizon?
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What version of the Note 10+ w/ an unlocked bootloader would be the best choice to use for Verizon?
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Verizon is cdma and the exynos variants are usually gsm only (AT&T and T-Mobile).
I doubt you'll be able to find what you're looking for.
yeah if you wan't an international version they will always be GSM where some of the US still uses CDMA. so whatever you bought you would need to check it supports the signal on network you want to use it on. also using an international phone you generally need to use a SIM from the local market for a set amount of time, my UK unlocked Note 9 actually has a disclaimer on the box it needed 5 minutes of calls with a european SIM before it would accept an international one, so that is also something you will have to watch out for or you end up having to pay to get an international sim and a several minute call at international rates to unlock the device for a US SIM.
I also use dual sim (F/DS) varieties of Samsung phones, they generally work fine on ATT in the US but they do miss some bands, specifically band30 which means that sometimes I have low speed or no data at all. Also, you won't get VoLTE unless enabled by your carrier. It's a trade-off. Of course you also won't get 5G until there's a dual SIM 5G variant.
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Verizon is cdma and the exynos variants are usually gsm only (AT&T and T-Mobile).
I doubt you'll be able to find what you're looking for.
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Verizon is ending CDMA support at end of this year. So it doesn't matter with Verizon anymore.
It should be noted that with Exynos F models, USA Carrier Aggregation does not work properly.
While the phone will function properly, it will not have the same network speeds as an equivalent USA model.
For example, I had in my possession a N960F and did a speed test next to a N920T (Note 5) and I was getting like 70-90Mbps down on the Note 5 and was only getting 15-30Mbps on the N960F in the exact same spots.
I've tested this many times and actually also with the N950F before that.
I'm only posting about this just to make people aware. I'm, sure there are some that will take the trade-off of slower speeds to gain the ability of root and development, but there are also some out there that prefer that their speeds not be gimped.
This has been discussed on many XDA threads in the Note 8, S9, Note 9, S10 forums for a couple of years now and can be duplicated exactly as mentioned.
If anyone has figured out a way to get proper USA CA on F model phones I'm one of the first that would love to hear about it.
I'm sure @iunlock would also.
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It should be noted that with Exynos F models, USA Carrier Aggregation does not work properly.
While the phone will function properly, it will not have the same network speeds as an equivalent USA model.
For example, I had in my possession a N960F and did a speed test next to a N920T (Note 5) and I was getting like 70-90Mbps down on the Note 5 and was only getting 15-30Mbps on the N960F in the exact same spots.
I've tested this many times and actually also with the N950F before that.
I'm only posting about this just to make people aware. I'm, sure there are some that will take the trade-off of slower speeds to gain the ability of root and development, but there are also some out there that prefer that their speeds not be gimped.
This has been discussed on many XDA threads in the Note 8, S9, Note 9, S10 forums for a couple of years now and can be duplicated exactly as mentioned.
If anyone has figured out a way to get proper USA CA on F model phones I'm one of the first that would love to hear about it.
I'm sure @iunlock would also.
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Yes indeed.
Along with @DeeXii around the same time I had the F variant of the Note 8 along side my T-Mobile Note 8 and ran numerous tests.
TL;DR, in areas with a lot of cell towers (in the city etc...) you won't notice a big difference (IF) your within a strong range (close) from a tower. When this happens you're connected to a single strong frequency.
While travelling on the road with both devices at the time it was very apparent that the F model was not handing off well (tower to tower), while the TM variant as expected did just fine.
It is in my opinion that those who have claimed that CA works on international variants are being tricked by getting real good speeds due to being connected to a strong signal from a near by tower / area. It's convincing I know...
We're convinced unless proven otherwise that CA is an issue with the international Exynos variants, whether it's the F or Korean N models. Yes, I'm aware of some N models showing icons that may say otherwise, however, it is yet to be seen if the CA is truly working as most people who have the international variants, often don't have the US variants handy to be able to compare them side by side under different conditions.
Believe me... I want to see CA to work lol.... I really really do, because I'd rather have an Exynos variant 100% over a locked down US variant.
As I wait for my Note 10+ to arrive tomorrow, as excited as I am for a new device, since it can not be rooted there's still an uncertainty in the back of my mind that doesn't bring me much assurance that I'll be 100% sold rocking a non rooted phone due to my apps that require root, tweaks that I do etc...
Engineering leak, oh if you're out there please show yourself.... :silly:
iunlock said:
Yes indeed.
Along with @DeeXii around the same time I had the F variant of the Note 8 along side my T-Mobile Note 8 and ran numerous tests.
TL;DR, in areas with a lot of cell towers (in the city etc...) you won't notice a big difference (IF) your within a strong range (close) from a tower. When this happens you're connected to a single strong frequency.
While travelling on the road with both devices at the time it was very apparent that the F model was not handing off well (tower to tower), while the TM variant as expected did just fine.
It is in my opinion that those who have claimed that CA works on international variants are being tricked by getting real good speeds due to being connected to a strong signal from a near by tower / area. It's convincing I know...
We're convinced unless proven otherwise that CA is an issue with the international Exynos variants, whether it's the F or Korean N models. Yes, I'm aware of some N models showing icons that may say otherwise, however, it is yet to be seen if the CA is truly working as most people who have the international variants, often don't have the US variants handy to be able to compare them side by side under different conditions.
Believe me... I want to see CA to work lol.... I really really do, because I'd rather have an Exynos variant 100% over a locked down US variant.
As I wait for my Note 10+ to arrive tomorrow, as excited as I am for a new device, since it can not be rooted there's still an uncertainty in the back of my mind that doesn't bring me much assurance that I'll be 100% sold rocking a non rooted phone due to my apps that require root, tweaks that I do etc...
Engineering leak, oh if you're out there please show yourself.... :silly:
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That's not accurate at all.
The Galaxy S10+ F model did 100% work with at least 2 bands carrier aggregation when used on T-Mobile and AT&T. Bands 4+2 on T-Mobile and 12/17+2 on At&t were aggregated. SOME models that were running a European CSC code from European countries did NO indeed have CA enabled in the US. Phones with Asias CSC codes had 2 band CA enabled in the US. It never supported more other bands CA in the US.
I experimented with this myself by flashing the main OXM ROM and then using a local country SIM immediately after flashing to change the CSC code of the firmware to one that SIM region. Every time it was a European CSC, CA would not longer work.
It's important to note that Wifi calling and VOLTE both worked on T-Mobile with the F model out of the box. This started with the S10 and i expect the same to be with the note 10.
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That's not accurate at all.
The Galaxy S10+ F model did 100% work with at least 2 bands carrier aggregation when used on T-Mobile and AT&T. Bands 4+2 on T-Mobile and 12/17+2 on At&t were aggregated. SOME models that were running a European CSC code from European countries did NO indeed have CA enabled in the US. Phones with Asias CSC codes had 2 band CA enabled in the US. It never supported more other bands CA in the US.
I experimented with this myself by flashing the main OXM ROM and then using a local country SIM immediately after flashing to change the CSC code of the firmware to one that SIM region. Every time it was a European CSC, CA would not longer work.
It's important to note that Wifi calling and VOLTE both worked on T-Mobile with the F model out of the box. This started with the S10 and i expect the same to be with the note 10.
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Excellent. Please provide us some more info then showing your claims.
What I have stated is indeed accurate as it was based on my own tests with the Note 8 lol...many have done the same as well. This issue regarding CA has been hashed to pieces in several threads with a lot of folks involved in showing concrete proof that it did not work with the phones we've tested it with at the time.
Show us with screen shots, detailed description where the phones were tested etc... that CA works on the F variant and we'll throw a party....
You have to remember that there are several of us that really want CA to work... it's not like we're against it.
Again, we've seen this claim before and it was due to the user not factoring in that they were in a "good signal area near a tower," where they were connected to a strong signal that made it seem like CA was working in respect to the bands the international phone supported... I'm not saying this is the case with what you have experienced, but until we can see proof.... with this situation it's all heresay unless proven otherwise... therefore...
What you've said is not accurate at all, because we have no proof... so please provide proof.
@DeeXii I'll tag you as I'm sure you're just as curious...
Looking forward to hearing back... :highfive:
Well, just received the N975FD Dual SIM model and i'm testing it with AT&T and Project FI in the US (which uses T-Mobile).
This unit rung the Singapore firmware. As i stated in my last reply, Carrier aggregation DOES work with BOTH networks.
Here are some observations for those are interested in getting the international version and use it in the US:
AT&T:
Surprisingly, VOLTE works out of the box with AT&T. This is a first for the international unlocked model. My AT&T SIM already had this feature provisioned on my account and it just worked when I placed the SIM into the Note 10+.
HD calling works as well (tested a call to another AT&T customer and a Verizon customer).
The device can do 2xCA with bands 2 + 12 and bands 2 + 4.
Speed is almost the same as the US model when using these frequencies.
No WiFi calling
Project Fi (T-Mobile).
VOLTE works.
HD calling just between T-Mobile customers.
The device can do 2xCA with bands 2 + 4. I have not seen it do 4+12 or 2+12 yet.
No WiFi calling (but that's normal to any phone that's not a pixel with Fi).
Verizon:
To be tested still
Like I mentioned before, if your international version comes from a European country, for some reason carrier aggregation no longer works. If you then flash an Asian firmware, have an Asian country SIM inside the phone when you flash the firmware and do a factory reset after you flash, carrier aggregation will start working with a US SIM afterward.
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It should be noted that with Exynos F models, USA Carrier Aggregation does not work properly.
While the phone will function properly, it will not have the same network speeds as an equivalent USA model.
For example, I had in my possession a N960F and did a speed test next to a N920T (Note 5) and I was getting like 70-90Mbps down on the Note 5 and was only getting 15-30Mbps on the N960F in the exact same spots.
I've tested this many times and actually also with the N950F before that.
I'm only posting about this just to make people aware. I'm, sure there are some that will take the trade-off of slower speeds to gain the ability of root and development, but there are also some out there that prefer that their speeds not be gimped.
This has been discussed on many XDA threads in the Note 8, S9, Note 9, S10 forums for a couple of years now and can be duplicated exactly as mentioned.
If anyone has figured out a way to get proper USA CA on F model phones I'm one of the first that would love to hear about it.
I'm sure @iunlock would also.
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It's not the model that causes this - it's your lack of the correct CSC. If it has a compatible CSC, it works just fine.
I'm currently debating rooting my new Note 10+ 5g to port over the T-Mobile CSC from a T-Mobile model like I did with the Note 8.
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It's not the model that causes this - it's your lack of the correct CSC. If it has a compatible CSC, it works just fine.
I'm currently debating rooting my new Note 10+ 5g to port over the T-Mobile CSC from a T-Mobile model like I did with the Note 8.
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That is 100% incorrect.
While flashing the CSC is a must on any locked or F model Samsung phone to enable all carrier features like video calling and VoLTE. It does not give the CA tables that are in the snap dragon's baseband to an Exynos device.
There for if you are on a US carrier and have a N975U/U1 next to a N975F, the speeds on the N975F will be significantly less than the N975U/U1. I'm surprised you have entered this debate again with these views considering your experience in the matter. Once again we have obtained an F model and tested against US variants and have concluded that as of now, simply flashing the CSC from T-Mobile or any US variant does not enable USA Carrier Aggregation on Exynos models. I am not trying to be mean or agumentitive here, but when you have people ordering from overseas potentially running into situations where they cannot return a device, it is very important to have 100% accurate information.
It should be noted that while on 5G it may be different because I do not think 5G uses the MIMO type actions of carrier aggregation. But also with that said. 5G phones do not use 5G 100% of the time. (See how 5G works for more info)
TLR - Yes unlocked international models "work" on US carriers. However their speeds will be much slower than on a US variant because international variants cannot do the Carrier Aggregation that US carriers need for full data speeds.
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That is 100% incorrect.
While flashing the CSC is a must on any locked or F model Samsung phone to enable all carrier features like video calling and VoLTE. It does not give the CA tables that are in the snap dragon's baseband to an Exynos device.
There for if you are on a US carrier and have a N975U/U1 next to a N975F, the speeds on the N975F will be significantly less than the N975U/U1. I'm surprised you have entered this debate again with these views considering your experience in the matter. Once again we have obtained an F model and tested against US variants and have concluded that as of now, simply flashing the CSC from T-Mobile or any US variant does not enable USA Carrier Aggregation on Exynos models. I am not trying to be mean or agumentitive here, but when you have people ordering from overseas potentially running into situations where they cannot return a device, it is very important to have 100% accurate information.
It should be noted that while on 5G it may be different because I do not think 5G uses the MIMO type actions of carrier aggregation. But also with that said. 5G phones do not use 5G 100% of the time. (See how 5G works for more info)
TLR - Yes unlocked international models "work" on US carriers. However their speeds will be much slower than on a US variant because international variants cannot do the Carrier Aggregation that US carriers need for full data speeds.
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I'm not sure where you got that information, but quite a few of us posted screenshots in the Note 8 days showing the CA tables on our N and F variants. I believe the CA combo info is within the keystrings.dat file but don't quote me on that.
Also - nobody should root their phone (needed to flash USA CSCs on N and F variant Samsung phones) and expect to be able to return the device afterwards. We are taking the risk anyway by ordering an overseas model phone.
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I'm not sure where you got that information, but quite a few of us posted screenshots in the Note 8 days showing the CA tables on our N and F variants. I believe the CA combo info is within the keystrings.dat file but don't quote me on that.
Also - nobody should root their phone (needed to flash USA CSCs on N and F variant Samsung phones) and expect to be able to return the device afterward. We are taking the risk anyway by ordering an overseas model phone.
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I'm getting my info from several tests done by myself and several others.
The tests on our Note 10 devices match exactly the tests we have done on Note8 and Note 9 international Exynos F models that people have been testing for years that simply do not do US Carrier Aggregation, even with the US CSC.
We have had two Note 10 F models, an unlocked US model, and a T-Mobile US Model. At the same exact location, my old Note 5 N920T pulls higher download speeds (because of Carrier Aggregation) than my brother in law's N975F.
Go find a T-Mobile N975U and see for yourself, however, I am not sure where you are located. I am sure there are some places in the country that might produce the same speeds on their phones simply because the towers in that area are older and do not have all of the bands some major markets have.
In those locations, you will probably see average download speeds anyways. In this situation, an Exynos model is acceptable as the speeds will be the same. However, when traveling the data will still be gimped obviously.
Bottom line is that if a person in a major market gets an N975F and flashes the T-Mobile CSC they will still have gimped data speeds when compared to a US snapdragon variant, period.
Believe me, there is no one more than myself and @iunlock that want CA to work 100% 1:1 with the N975U model but it's just not the case. It is what it is.
Also, it should be noted that CA does not just affect download speeds. It can also affect signal reliability in certain situations.
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I'm getting my info from several tests done by myself and several others.
The tests on our Note 10 devices match exactly the tests we have done on Note8 and Note 9 international Exynos F models that people have been testing for years that simply do not do US Carrier Aggregation, even with the US CSC.
We have had two Note 10 F models, an unlocked US model, and a T-Mobile US Model. At the same exact location, my old Note 5 N920T pulls higher download speeds (because of Carrier Aggregation) than my brother in law's N975F.
Go find a T-Mobile N975U and see for yourself, however, I am not sure where you are located. I am sure there are some places in the country that might produce the same speeds on their phones simply because the towers in that area are older and do not have all of the bands some major markets have.
In those locations, you will probably see average download speeds anyways. In this situation, an Exynos model is acceptable as the speeds will be the same. However, when traveling the data will still be gimped obviously.
Bottom line is that if a person in a major market gets an N975F and flashes the T-Mobile CSC they will still have gimped data speeds when compared to a US snapdragon variant, period.
Believe me, there is no one more than myself and @iunlock that want CA to work 100% 1:1 with the N975U model but it's just not the case. It is what it is.
Also, it should be noted that CA does not just affect download speeds. It can also affect signal reliability in certain situations.
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I take this as a challenge, my friend
Hold my beer...
Would flashing a different CSC get rid of the current carrier boot and shutdown animation? And, to flash a Tmo CSC on a rooted sm-n975f be as simple as flashing the new CSC in Odin?
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. . . . port over the T-Mobile CSC from a T-Mobile model like I did with the Note 8.
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Hey Kalm_Traveler. Long time no chat.
Please do that. I just picked up a SM-N975F/DS and would love to see that happen. I remember your old N8 thread well.
To update my earlier reply, just tested the FD model with Verizon.
VOLTE works out of the box.
HD voice works.
I've seen 2 x CA with bands 4 and 2 and then 5 and 2.
So while we are both going to see 3 x CA or 4 x CA, it can def do 2 x CA on the 3 carriers I tested.
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