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As I've posted a few times in this forum I think Google excluded the SDcard on purpose due to issues with the use of an SDcard with Android 3.0 and higher. I've seen this first hand with my Xoom tablet.
Here is a recent post by a developer on the Motorola Xoom forum on the details.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/493078#493078
Android is a really wierd beast. As much of the functionality in Android OS really isn't Anrdoid functionality but is functionality provided by the linux kernel and services underneath. Below might be a little over some folks head, but kind of sumarizes everything I currently know of the "external storage" issue with 3.2 and ICS going forward
Right now as it stands in Honeycomb 3.2.2:
SDCard
Tablet recognizes external SD Card and mounts it for R/W (/mnt/external1)
Special new android permission required to write to sdcard
Permission exists but is only to a few specific services in Honeycomb
Permission can not be requested by installed applications so they can't directly write to external SDCard via Java file IO commands. (apps can request permission for internal SDcard /mnt/sdcard but not external)
This means no write access using traditional Java.File IO methods you have to access files through the MediaStore provider API's as it can access the files for you. (Am working a utility app for this)
USB Storage
Linux Kernel in Android recognizes USB volumes when plugged into Xoom (but doesn't mount them)
Vold Daemon (http://vold.sourceforge.net/) is not configured (on GED device) to mount USB volumes when connected to device
MediaScanner/MediaStore service in android appears to scan all mounted volumes, but has issues with volume removal and doesn't store volume name with file information (covered in depth in other threads)
NO USB Storage mouting/read/write as configuration of Android default config doesn't have it setup
ICS - What I know so far:
External SD Card Storage
Issue of External SDCard access could be solved at either Kernel Level (just fix permissions on mount point) or Android Level (make android API for file access easier to use)
Don't see any evidence that anything has changed at the exposed API level. BUT the API's might be doing stuff differently on the back end that makes things work
The undocumented permission for accessing the external storage that you can't request for an application in 3.2 doesn't seem to be documented in 4.0. (Still don't know if an app can request it though)
Don't know if additional applications are given the "special" permission by default in ICS. In 3.2 things like Camera App, MediaPlayer, Email, etc don't have "special" permssion to write to external SDCard.
Don't know if they are changing the mount point locations in ICS, which could also change how its accessed. (permissions, priviledges etc)
USB Storage
No new documentation or changes (in SDK doc's at least) on MediaStore or other API's that traditionally deal with media storage.
Since most of the things keeping us from using removable storage are "behind the scenes" stuff there is no way to know if this will work or not untill Google tells us, or we have ICS and can test it.
MediaStore API "technically" has correct fields in current API's to allow it to support multiple removable storage devices, but with out more documentation, source code, or binary code there is no way to know if back end was updated to support it. Content would still need to be mounted by Vold first though.
Important to note that Google coould have implemented removable USB storage support just with modifications to Vold config without making changes to Android API's. And it would have some functionality (as it does on Custom Made Xoom 3.X roms) and it wouldn't show up as a change in the SDK docs.
Google made a big deal about how they were looking at new ways of handling external/removable storage in a way that made a file's location irrelevent/transparent for the user. Based on those comments earlier in the year I personally expected to see many more modifications to storage and file handling API's. All throughout the Android documentation they mention this is how the API's access the "primary" storage, but they don't get into details on how to access "secondary" storage, but they do hint that it exists.
The API's in theory could have been extended without changing their call arguments (just add new options to existing function arguments). But if that has occured, then its not in the current documentation. Incomplete documentation of the SDK is fairly common though on major revision releases from google, as their developers aren't exactly the best documentation writters.
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They didn't have SDcard expansion on the Nexus S either....
The Nexus S also didn't have an SD card slot. Would that be the same reasoning behind that?
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The Nexus S also didn't have an SD card slot. Would that be the same reasoning behind that?
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That could've just been a way to show off the new support for devices without sdcards that was a new feature in Gingerbread though.
vzontini said:
Permission can not be requested by installed applications so they can't directly write to external SDCard via Java file IO commands. (apps can request permission for internal SDcard /mnt/sdcard but not external)
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Wait, what? The Motorola Xoom shouldn't have an internal SD Card. With Honeycomb, the internal storage of a device is only partitioned into boot, recovery, system, data, and cache. There is no FAT-formatted partition on the internal storage that is mounted as a fake "SD Card" partition, because starting with Honeycomb when a device is connected to a computer file transfer is accomplished using MTP with the help of a FUSE daemon. So since there is nothing mounted at /mnt/sdcard if all you have is internal storage, then if you plug in a real SD card it should just mount at /mnt/sdcard and apps should be able to access it just fine using the old API and permissions used to access SD cards that have been in Android for generations.
Basically the problem he described boils down to Android's inability to deal with apps reading and writing to multiple external partitions. The API only deals with one external storage partition (http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html#filesExternal) so if you have a device with the internal storage partitioned like, for example, the Nexus S, where a large chunk of the internal storage is in a FAT-formatted partition mounted as if it were an SD card, and if this device also has a slot for a real SD card, then apps can't request permissions to read and write to the real SD card because the API only lets you deal with the fake internal SD card.
But this shouldn't have anything to do with devices like the Xoom and Galaxy Nexus, where there's only one internal storage device and on that device there is no FAT partition mounted like a virtual SD card, so any real SD cards you plug into the device should just mount as regular old SD cards that Android has always worked with.
EDIT: It just occurred to me that on devices like the Xoom and Galaxy Nexus, probably a directory on the /data partition is mounted at /mnt/sdcard so that poorly programmed apps that hardcode that directory to use for external storage will still work. Unfortunately this means that the API for accessing external storage will only be able to return file objects pointing to this portion of the internal storage and won't be able to make use of a real SD card. Until the Android API is enhanced to let apps read and write to multiple "external" storage partitions, this is indeed an issue.
I believe ICS will have full support for sd card slot.
Why?
There are lots of devices that can be upgraded to ICS, and it has sd card slot.
Otherwise, people will be mad if they upgraded to ICS, then the sd card slot becomes read only :-*
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gogol said:
I believe ICS will have full support for sd card slot.
Why?
There are lots of devices that can be upgraded to ICS, and it has sd card slot.
Otherwise, people will be mad if they upgraded to ICS, then the sd card slot becomes read only :-*
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It won't be read-only. They fixed that in Honeycomb already. However, apps still won't be able to read and write to it using normal file IO operations. They'll have to use the MediaStore APIs. Assuming nothing has changed from how it works in Honeycomb right now.
Personally I think we are giving Google/Samsung too much benefit of the doubt here. They are not putting in an SD card slot for the same simple reason that Apple doesn't have expandable memory on their devices; so that they can charge us more for higher capacity models. If they actually had a good reason for it then they would have explained it officially a long time ago.
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Chrono_Tata said:
Personally I think we are giving Google/Samsung too much benefit of the doubt here. They are not putting in an SD card slot for the same simple reason that Apple doesn't have expandable memory on their devices; so that they can charge us more for higher capacity models. If they actually had a good reason for it then they would have explained it officially a long time ago.
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The other reason is that they can control the speed of the storage. How many class 2 sd card disasters are out there where the person didn't know it was a slow card and wouldn't work with video recording, or even slow the experience down?
vzontini said:
As I've posted a few times in this forum I think Google excluded the SDcard on purpose due to issues with the use of an SDcard with Android 3.0 and higher. I've seen this first hand with my Xoom tablet.
Here is a recent post by a developer on the Motorola Xoom forum on the details.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/493078#493078
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I have an asus eee pad transformer and it has had full sdcard support (read and write access for all apps I installed) since its release with honeycomb 3.0 and it still has now on hc 3.2. Xoom was just crappy in this case. So this cannot be the reason for no sdcard on GN. But as some said before, the Nexus S also didn't have a sdcard.
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qwer23 said:
I have an asus eee pad transformer and it has had full sdcard support (read and write access for all apps I installed) since its release with honeycomb 3.0 and it still has now on hc 3.2. Xoom was just crappy in this case. So this cannot be the reason for no sdcard on GN. But as some said before, the Nexus S also didn't have a sdcard.
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Docked the transformer actually handles 2 SD cards and can also handle additional USB drives just fine. They get mounted to /removable/MicroSD and /removable/SD.
Chrono_Tata said:
Personally I think we are giving Google/Samsung too much benefit of the doubt here. They are not putting in an SD card slot for the same simple reason that Apple doesn't have expandable memory on their devices; so that they can charge us more for higher capacity models. If they actually had a good reason for it then they would have explained it officially a long time ago.
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Then why did Samsung put an SDcard slot in the SGSII models? And they're surely going to sell millions more SGSII's than Galaxy Nexus'. If they wanted to make money they should've taken SDcard slots out of the SGSII.
I think they did internal storage only on purpose, but not to make money... my guess is its for speed and chassis space reasons.
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Docked the transformer actually handles 2 SD cards and can also handle additional USB drives just fine. They get mounted to /removable/MicroSD and /removable/SD.
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That's right, I own the dock also. But even without the dock, SD card worked perfectly from day one. Additionally I think that ASUS offer the freakin' best support in terms of fast Android&firmware updates and (useful) pre-installed apps (like Polaris Office, Supernote, Splashtop Remote, MyLibrary, a nice File Manager, ...) of any manufacturer I know. But that's off-topic now
Chrono_Tata said:
Personally I think we are giving Google/Samsung too much benefit of the doubt here. They are not putting in an SD card slot for the same simple reason that Apple doesn't have expandable memory on their devices; so that they can charge us more for higher capacity models. If they actually had a good reason for it then they would have explained it officially a long time ago.
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Bingo. This to me sums it all up.
True, iPhone 16gb - $199, 32gb - $299. Not bad, 16gb extra for $100. I'm not sure it will work the same way with a Google phone. It's the exclusivity, you want an iOS device then you'll have to buy Apple's, with Google you have many other options and manufacturers.
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slimslim said:
True, iPhone 16gb - $199, 32gb - $299. Not bad, 16gb extra for $100. I'm not sure it will work the same way with a Google phone.
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Well, Samsung did it with the Galaxy Tab 10.1, it has no SD slot and on introduction the 32gb version was $100 extra.
Which is rather rich considering that a high quality 16gb microSD card can be had for $25. As an extra insult the internal memory in todays devices is almost always eMMC, which is more or less an SD card made to be soldered down, it has no better performance or features than a normal SD card. So it's a $75 markup straight into the manufacturers pocket.
Chrono_Tata said:
Personally I think we are giving Google/Samsung too much benefit of the doubt here. They are not putting in an SD card slot for the same simple reason that Apple doesn't have expandable memory on their devices; so that they can charge us more for higher capacity models. If they actually had a good reason for it then they would have explained it officially a long time ago.
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If this was the case... Where the hell are all the 32g nexus s devices at???
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i'll probably wait for the 64GB version before i get my hands on one
No SDcard support and a max internal storage of 16GB is a great way to get people to use Google Music...
It still confuses me as to why Samsung would chose not to include a physical SD card for the Nexus. The convenience of a removeable drive certainly outweigh a virtual one. It use to keep all sorts of different ROMs and stuff stored on my handful of memory cards.
I also just found out I can't transfer anything to my phone via USB on my work computer because it doesn't support MTP. Plus I can't reach 4g at my desk so downloading ROMs over 3g to my phone is going to be a royal PITA
SD cards slow down the phone. But I think there's a way to change the connection to mass storage when you connect to a pc.
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SD cards slow down the phone. But I think there's a way to change the connection to mass storage when you connect to a pc.
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no, there's not.
what type of work computer do you have? mac or a flavor of *nix?
I was always under the impression that the Nexus is a baseline phone of whats needed to run ICS so they didnt bother to put in a sd card
Zepius said:
no, there's not.
what type of work computer do you have? mac or a flavor of *nix?
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I've been able to transfer any file from windows 7 laptop to the GNex via USB cord. After plugging in, just tap the 'turn on mass storage mode' icon on the phone and you're in like flynn. I've moved over a few movies. Music was a pain all of mine is in wma format therefore I had to install google music on my laptop and upload my tunes into the cloud to access on my phone.
jonnyg1097 said:
I was always under the impression that the Nexus is a baseline phone of whats needed to run ICS so they didnt bother to put in a sd card
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no, its a unified storage. the phone system, apps, and personal data are on the same partition. this increases accessibility of data that is on the "sdcard"
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RawHideAndSeek said:
I've been able to transfer any file from windows 7 laptop to the GNex via USB cord. After plugging in, just tap the 'turn on mass storage mode' icon on the phone and you're in like flynn. I've moved over a few movies. Music was a pain all of mine is in wma format therefore I had to install google music on my laptop and upload my tunes into the cloud to access on my phone.
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there is no mass storage on the galaxy nexus.
I'm on a work PC so I'm stuck running Windows XP. It works just fine on my personal computers because they are up to date with the latest drivers. Although, it doesn't really matter cuz when I'm not working I have 4G or Wifi and I can just transfer via Solid Explorer...
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blah blah blah blah .....there is no mass storage on the galaxy nexus.
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Yes, there most certainly is.
Just because you don't know how to access it does not validate it's lack of existance.
Well, this doesn't resolve them from not having an SD Card but I was able to get around my main need for one. I basically just need a way to tinker with ROMs while I'm bored at work. Here's what I did:
1. Disable USB Debugging
2. Use MTP transfer
3. Plug into computer
4. Use File Explore to access Galaxy Media Device
5. Rename the file I want to transfer (usually .zip) to a ".mp3" file.
6. Move the file over
7. On my Nexus I used Solid Explorer to rename the file back to .zip
In Settings >> Storage >> ... >> USB Computer Connection, I see an option for Camera (PTP) with the description stating "Lets you transfer photos using camera software, and transfer any files on computers that don't support MTP" However I've never tried this option I always just use a WiFi connection.
3rdstring said:
In Settings >> Storage >> ... >> USB Computer Connection, I see an option for Camera (PTP) with the description stating "Lets you transfer photos using camera software, and transfer any files on computers that don't support MTP" However I've never tried this option I always just use a WiFi connection.
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Yeah, I tried that too. The files were all visible in explorer but everything was locked and it didn't actually allow me to transfer anything using it
cartisdm said:
I'm on a work PC so I'm stuck running Windows XP. It works just fine on my personal computers because they are up to date with the latest drivers. Although, it doesn't really matter cuz when I'm not working I have 4G or Wifi and I can just transfer via Solid Explorer...
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The computer I use at work is also running XP and has no issue recognizing my GNex when I plug it in.
more to the topic, i don't understand the lack of an sdcard, either. frankly, i fail to understand the rationale as to why one wouldn't be included. if it in any way had to do with read/write speeds, Sammy and Google clearly had to know about the new sdcards coming down the pike, with greatly enhanced read/write speeds. with Boot Manager, and the ability to flash numerous roms, the extra storage space would be nice because the ICS rom files are HUGE.
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more to the topic, i don't understand the lack of an sdcard, either. frankly, i fail to understand the rationale as to why one wouldn't be included. if it in any way had to do with read/write speeds, Sammy and Google clearly had to know about the new sdcards coming down the pike, with greatly enhanced read/write speeds. with Boot Manager, and the ability to flash numerous roms, the extra storage space would be nice because the ICS rom files are HUGE.
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The lack of ext sd was the deal breaker why I chose the i9100 over the Nexus.
If the next Nexus ships without ext sd then sadly I'm out for that phone too...
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Not quite sure why Sammy and Google would be concerned about the size of our ROM files and how to accomodate them.
n2ishun said:
Yes, there most certainly is.
Just because you don't know how to access it does not validate it's lack of existance.
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Are you trolling? You must be.
There is no such thing as a usb mass storage option on the Galaxy Nexus. Search and read up on what you find and you'll know that I'm right.
If you think I'm wrong, then post some proof. Good luck on that end.
HemRoyd said:
Not quite sure why Sammy and Google would be concerned about the size of our ROM files and how to accomodate them.
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i'm sure it wasn't at the top of their priority list. but, at the same time, they made a device without an OEM skin, and gave it an unlockable bootloader. they obviously knew that this would be a developer device. in fact, the Nexus line is generally known as a "developer device," hasn't it?! given the general overall outcry for storage space in smartphones, plus knowing that this would be a developer device, i would think that additional storage would have been something to consider. just my opinion...
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ccrows said:
The lack of ext sd was the deal breaker why I chose the i9100 over the Nexus.
If the next Nexus ships without ext sd then sadly I'm out for that phone too...
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it is disappointing, but wasn't a deal breaker for me. ext sd would have been an obvious plus, but 32 gb IS a lot of storage. but, can't really begrudge you for your choice. having to constantly worry about storage space is kind of a pita...
Theshawty said:
Are you trolling? You must be.
There is no such thing as a usb mass storage option on the Galaxy Nexus. Search and read up on what you find and you'll know that I'm right.
If you think I'm wrong, then post some proof. Good luck on that end.
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i think that too,he's trolling.
from months it is known that we haven't got mass storage mode,bt not only gnex users,all the honeycomb (or at least the major part..)tablets shipped last year,and all the phones shipped from gnex so on,has mtp storage connections and it's a standard that it's been choosed.i'm with that from last years on honeycomb and like that more than olders connections (pc suite\mass storage)
using win7 and all is ok,only prob is the transfer of many many small files,like icons,instead big files are very fast.heard of problems at using others OS,but luckly it's not my case...
ccrows said:
The lack of ext sd was the deal breaker why I chose the i9100 over the Nexus.
If the next Nexus ships without ext sd then sadly I'm out for that phone too...
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here in italy,with slow connections,it's a pain to store music\images and files on web clouds...slow 3g and not extended wifi-zones me to have all the stuffs inside memory...it's for that that i miss a bit an external microSD.not a so big problem,at least not so big to move on gs2 or another smartphone.like a lot gnex,hate the form factory of gs2 and prefer at all chip\screen(type,resolution and size)\full-touch(no phisical buttons)and google experience debloated from the beginning,but this is another story.dislike as hell the stupid speaker inserted from samsung.I'd like to have a 32 gb version like yours...here in italy only 16 gb version,and with 13 gb when empty i need a little bit more..
Theshawty said:
Are you trolling? You must be.
There is no such thing as a usb mass storage option on the Galaxy Nexus. Search and read up on what you find and you'll know that I'm right.
If you think I'm wrong, then post some proof. Good luck on that end.
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[email protected]:/ # ls /mnt/sdcard
ls /mnt/sdcard
12f767e7a5d0.incremental.zip
12f767e7a5d0.signed-mysid-IMM76K-from-ICL53F.12f767e7.zip
Alarms
Android
DCIM
Download
Lumberjack
MIUI
Movies
Music
Notifications
Pictures
Podcasts
Ringtones
SpeedSoftware
TitaniumBackup
TitaniumBackup_license.txt
UltimateCustomClockWidget
WHS Phone
burstlyImageCache
cfg_dun_status
cfg_uart_sel
cfg_usb_sel
clockworkmod
cloudtv
com.maildroid.pro
data
documents
gameloft
lightflow
maildroid-settings.xml
misc
neocore
roms
su (1).zip
tmp.wav
uccwOutput
vrtheme-backup
yume_android_sdk
zedge
[email protected]:/ # ls /data/media
ls /data/media
12f767e7a5d0.incremental.zip
12f767e7a5d0.signed-mysid-IMM76K-from-ICL53F.12f767e7.zip
Alarms
Android
DCIM
Download
Lumberjack
MIUI
Movies
Music
Notifications
Pictures
Podcasts
Ringtones
SpeedSoftware
TitaniumBackup
TitaniumBackup_license.txt
UltimateCustomClockWidget
WHS Phone
burstlyImageCache
cfg_dun_status
cfg_uart_sel
cfg_usb_sel
clockworkmod
cloudtv
com.maildroid.pro
data
documents
gameloft
lightflow
maildroid-settings.xml
misc
neocore
roms
su (1).zip
tmp.wav
uccwOutput
vrtheme-backup
yume_android_sdk
zedge
I see a resemblance. As Theshawty said, provide proof or please stop trolling.
cartisdm said:
Yeah, I tried that too. The files were all visible in explorer but everything was locked and it didn't actually allow me to transfer anything using it
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Well, if you're running OS X like me, you can use the file transfer utility that google made: android.com/filetransfer
It can be a little temperamental but it will get the job done
So I have spent a long time chasing down what have turned out to be dead ends to try and achieve my goal and I am sure the masters of all things android can point me in the right direction!
Here is my setup; N7 2013 rooted lollipop 5.02 stock kernel 500gb seagate wireless, slimport, pair of wireless ps3 controllers. I love the idea of having an easy to transport arcade but the only hitch I am running into is the storage on this thing. I have tried this app, that app (mountmanager, andsmb, cifsmanager, etc.... trying to mount a wifi drive for hours to no avail. From what I have come to understand is that somewhere along the lines they did away with that and my only option is to reflash the rom back to....? I would be so very appreciative for someone to help me out with a plan of attack. The best I could figure was 4.1.2 would work as what is described in this post is what I am after;
google for "nexus-7-tutorial-mount-network-share-as-a-drive" [I could not post web link]
is there anything I might be missing? again, thanks a million and I really did try and do all my research before asking a potentially easy question, I am kind of a dinosaur now... hell, I am still using a blackberry to make phone calls this last month has been a crash course in androidology!
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Are you wanting to mount the drive to the device or just R/W media from it?
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Are you wanting to mount the drive to the device or just R/W media from it?
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I need for the applications to be able to see the files and folders on it. the apps in question being retroarch and mame4droid. Writing would be nice for save states. I thought it would be great if they had the ability to see the lan like es browser can...
Hmmmm that sounds pretty complicated. The only I think to do it is to manually move the save back and forth. I'm no expert and may be totally wrong but I believe most apps just request data to be saved and android does it so what you want to may be damn near impossible unless you can rewrite android save area to a new one, or reprogram the app to save in another place. Again this is just speculation and i t might be super easy, maybe someone with a little more expertise can correct me.
at this point, I know it was working as of 4.12 and the updates past that changed things and made this hard if not impossible. Search for the link to maybe understand more. I will let this question air out for a week as I dont want to hassle with reverting back to that rom, but if I have to, I absolutely will! my N7 would love to have 500gigs!
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at this point, I know it was working as of 4.12 and the updates past that changed things and made this hard if not impossible. Search for the link to maybe understand more. I will let this question air out for a week as I dont want to hassle with reverting back to that rom, but if I have to, I absolutely will! my N7 would love to have 500gigs!
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Just a heads up- anything you've read about it working with 4.1.2 is for the 2012 Nexus 7 only. The 2013 N7 shipped with 4.3 so all ROMs for it are 4.3 or later so unfortunately 4.1.2 is not an option for you. And I personally have never come across a mod like what you're looking for, for the 2013 N7. It would be pretty damn cool if we could do that though, for sure.
From reading that tutorial, it looks pretty simple. Did you get sharing to work OK on a home network to a PC. Since I don't know much about that seagate wireless device, I'm guessing that part of the issues are how it is configured.
You don't mention what sort of a network configuration you are using. For example, since that tutorial taked about using the IP address, you would need to make sure the drive is configured - and I would assume with a static IP address. That makes it harder to use in a more "portable" situation, since the networking might be tricky. The rest of it - mounting an SMB share (similar to a windows machines shared drive) seems straight forward...
I may play with this (using a PC share) just to see...
Cheers
sbaeder said:
From reading that tutorial, it looks pretty simple. Did you get sharing to work OK on a home network to a PC. Since I don't know much about that seagate wireless device, I'm guessing that part of the issues are how it is configured.
You don't mention what sort of a network configuration you are using. For example, since that tutorial taked about using the IP address, you would need to make sure the drive is configured - and I would assume with a static IP address. That makes it harder to use in a more "portable" situation, since the networking might be tricky. The rest of it - mounting an SMB share (similar to a windows machines shared drive) seems straight forward...
I may play with this (using a PC share) just to see...
Cheers
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He's not planning on using it for simple file storage, he wants to actually mount it as another system drive and be able to run stuff off it just like it's part of the system. I do not believe it's currently possible.
Well, looking around more, you need to have the right kernel, and both of the main "custom" kernels for Lollipop (ElementalX and Glitch) do *NOT* have CIFS support. ElementalX had it for the KK releases, so all the tools that help you mount a shared drive will fail.
So, looks like it's 4.4.x for you!...and you will need a custom kernel as well. Even then, are you sure you can use the mounted directory for what you want? May not be where those games, etc. expect to see files...
Anyway, good luck
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_MetalHead_ said:
He's not planning on using it for simple file storage, he wants to actually mount it as another system drive and be able to run stuff off it just like it's part of the system. I do not believe it's currently possible.
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There are two issues here...1) can you even mount it at all - if it is "MOUNTED", then it's visible, and I understand that he doesn't want an intermediate program (like a file browser) in the middle. BUT...2) can his applications use it - i.e. can it be mounted as an overlay or as if it was an SD Card, etc.
If you can't even do #1, #2 is moot
sbaeder said:
Well, looking around more, you need to have the right kernel, and both of the main "custom" kernels for Lollipop (ElementalX and Glitch) do *NOT* have CIFS support. ElementalX had it for the KK releases, so all the tools that help you mount a shared drive will fail.
So, looks like it's 4.4.x for you!...and you will need a custom kernel as well. Even then, are you sure you can use the mounted directory for what you want? May not be where those games, etc. expect to see files...
Anyway, good luck
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There are two issues here...1) can you even mount it at all - if it is "MOUNTED", then it's visible, and I understand that he doesn't want an intermediate program (like a file browser) in the middle. BUT...2) can his applications use it - i.e. can it be mounted as an overlay or as if it was an SD Card, etc.
If you can't even do #1, #2 is moot
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Yeah that's why I said I don't think it's possible.
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_MetalHead_ said:
Yeah that's why I said I don't think it's possible.
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So I am trying to figure out if you are saying its not doable or...? When I mount a SDcard with an otg cable [using stickmount] it mounts just fine to a place where the apps (emulators) can find and access it. If I went to KK 4.4 and threw on elementalx... you are saying I may have another problem here?
BTW, thanks you guys for looking into this again! I feel like I am just one step away from a truly amazing setup!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58032907&postcount=2
I haven't tried it yet, but I'm going to give it a whirl tonight.
Iamsolost said:
So I am trying to figure out if you are saying its not doable or...? When I mount a SDcard with an otg cable [using stickmount] it mounts just fine to a place where the apps (emulators) can find and access it. If I went to KK 4.4 and threw on elementalx... you are saying I may have another problem here?
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No, what *I* was saying that that you need to make sure a "mounted" drive can be used. If it can't, it doesn't matter if you get it to work.
So, YES, if you go back to KK, and to something like ElementalX, then MAYBE you can get it to mount. Or as stated, Try CYANOGEN...they have the CIFS modules in the kernel, so you don't have to try to find the right one and "insmod" them (i.e. dynamically load them).
Has anybody tried the method of formatting an sd card into a partition for the note 7 the way it was done for the s7 and s7 edge?
There is no reason not to work!
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Yes if you mean Modaco
hamza_theclue said:
Has anybody tried the method of formatting an sd card into a partition for the note 7 the way it was done for the s7 and s7 edge?
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Yes if you mean Modaco version (ADB), there are other ways but I'm not a expert like that.
EDIT: Unless I did it wrong, didn't work. Probably Note 7 different upgraded touchwiz or something.
hamza_theclue said:
Has anybody tried the method of formatting an sd card into a partition for the note 7 the way it was done for the s7 and s7 edge?
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Might have to disappoint you as it seems Note 7 doesn't support adoptable storage.
http://m.androidcentral.com/things-know-about-galaxy-note-7s-sd-card-slot
statikk1 said:
Might have to disappoint you as it seems Note 7 doesn't support adoptable storage.
http://m.androidcentral.com/things-know-about-galaxy-note-7s-sd-card-slot
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Good to know, I tried the adb method but it didn't work for me, I just wanted to know if it was my mistake or if it just wasent gonna work.
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It's a method of bypassing a security feature. They have to close down these exploits because they want a bigger share of the enterprise market. Most companies aren't too keen on letting people receive sensitive data on an insecure device.
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This is extremely aggravating. Adopted storage can be made to be just as secure. What a pain in the arse these locked down phones are! I'd rather sacrifice most of these "security" features for freedom.
I hate adaptable storage
Is it still necessary with a 64gb phone? What would be the advantages? Just curious
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So what happens to the internal storage after you make the SD card adoptable?
Also there's a setting in the browser to set download to SD card.
But I see your point.
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If I am not wrong adoptable storage breaks your phone if you remove the SD card. And another phone won't read it.
I constantly switch SD cards and copy files from and to my friend's phones because it is faster than wireless methods.
Adoptable storage is good for people who just keep their SD card in all the time
shag_on_e said:
This is extremely aggravating. Adopted storage can be made to be just as secure. What a pain in the arse these locked down phones are! I'd rather sacrifice most of these "security" features for freedom.
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Might as well give up our guns for "security" while we are at it! Haha
xtzi said:
If I am not wrong adoptable storage breaks your phone if you remove the SD card. And another phone won't read it.
I constantly switch SD cards and copy files from and to my friend's phones because it is faster than wireless methods.
Adoptable storage is good for people who just keep their SD card in all the time
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If I understand it correctly, adoptable storage also lets you set up partitions on your SDcard. So part of it will still work just like in the past, therefore allowing you to still have a user defined section of it available to still transfer data by popping the card in and out of various devices. This would be the best of both worlds.
As a mobile gamer, I SERIOUSLY hope someone finds a way to incorporate adoptable storage on the Note 7!!!! The data folders for HD games are so big these days that with just 20 HD games or so I have almost run out of storage space already on my 64GB Note 7. I have rooted all of my previous Note devices for this very reason (in order to store game data on the external card), but was hoping that the Note 7 could be the first one that I would NOT have to root. Now Samsung has screwed this up AGAIN...just like last time with the Note 5 where there was no SDcard used at all.
If anyone can figure out a way to use adoptable storage on the Note 7, it will be tremendously appreciated!!!!!!!! Thx.
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Is it still necessary with a 64gb phone? What would be the advantages? Just curious
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The ways in which someone could use a memory card formatted in a typical manner is restricted. In a nut shell the phone treats it as a source for content like music or videos, but won't let you copy applications and other types of content to it. This also means that data that some applications use can't be moved to the cards. Applications that are for consuming content (ex: an audio book reader or a video player) potentially could use a lot of memory and there's no way to save it in anything other than the device's main memory. I personally struggle with 64-gigs. The Note 5 didn't have a memory card option at all. I have a GS7 and enabled it's memory card to be used as adoptable storage and it works great for my needs/demands. I had been hoping that between the 64 gigs built into the Note 7 and the 256 gig memory card available for it that I would have more than enough. But hearing the news in this thread strongly disappointments me.
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If I understand it correctly, adoptable storage also lets you set up partitions on your SDcard. So part of it will still work just like in the past, therefore allowing you to still have a user defined section of it available to still transfer data by popping the card in and out of various devices. This would be the best of both worlds.
As a mobile gamer, I SERIOUSLY hope someone finds a way to incorporate adoptable storage on the Note 7!!!! The data folders for HD games are so big these days that with just 20 HD games or so I have almost run out of storage space already on my 64GB Note 7. I have rooted all of my previous Note devices for this very reason (in order to store game data on the external card), but was hoping that the Note 7 could be the first one that I would NOT have to root. Now Samsung has screwed this up AGAIN...just like last time with the Note 5 where there was no SDcard used at all.
If anyone can figure out a way to use adoptable storage on the Note 7, it will be tremendously appreciated!!!!!!!! Thx.
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I don't have a link or anything but there is a no root method of doing it now. People just tend to advise not using it that way as if the card becomes corrupted for any reason it may negatively affect your internal HD. Also if the card us removed for any reason it can create problems because the OS isn't set up to react to the HD being removed.
I have no experience with it myself but that's what I read about it. Biggest use the SD card would have is utilizing some of it as RAM when a root releases officially but other than that everything I've read advised using it for storage only.
Kind if sad since I got the SD card ad a promo gift but hopefully all that space will come in handy as the phone updates or gets more root love.
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lorenzobjuarez said:
Well, that is EXACTLY what we are referring to in this thread. The source that you do not have the link to in order to enable Adoptable Storage on any device is referred to as the "ADB Modaco Adoptable Storage Method". It is supposed to work on ANY Marshmallow device, but for some reason as some of us have tested, it DOES NOT WORK on the Note 7. Samsung probably found out about it and BLOCKED it just because they think they know what's best. Its STUPID!!! Its a stock Android feature & should have been left alone!
Now my fear is that they somehow break this method on the S7 &S7 Edge with their stupid "Grace UI" update & it would have been pointless for me to exchange my Note 7.
Will be disabling "System Updates" with Debloater on my S7 Edge... try blocking THAT!!!
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Just finding this it now! I've been expectantly waiting for my 256 Gig SD card just so that I could partition it and use part for adoptable storage. I am beyond belief that Samsung has blocked it! Damn them!
hi i'm having app issues since i have android 11.
some emulators that I have (dolphin) do not have access to the microsd folder where I have the roms.
does this happen to you? Is there any solution? wait for the application update?
thanks
we'll just have to wait until devs update apps to be compatible with scoped storage
Yep, my microsd is readable till my phone lock himself. After that it dismount the card and I have a try at next day... same thing happens again and again. I didn't found a solution,but I still have 120 Gb free space in phone...
Meh... that's one reason I'm staying on Pie.
If I wanted scoped storage I have gotten a bloody Apple.
Is it possible for samsung to fix that microsd bug? or should it be google?
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Is it possible for samsung to fix that microsd bug? or should it be google?
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Assuming Google gives Samsung the leeway to fix it, Samsung could... eventually.
Lol, took over a year for them to fix the Buds firmware
Does anyone know of an e-mail to contact Samsung?
elevation_ph said:
Does anyone know of an e-mail to contact Samsung?
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You can phone them in the USA. Their tech support is pretty much worthless.
Best bet is a Google search but the OS is very new so it's going to be slim pickens. You might luck out though. Try other makes and models as it may be a shared issue.
I don't fully understand: the problem accessing your SD card is with any app, or with some particular apps? If the problem is with any app, this is a major bug that makes unusable a hardware section. Can you please clarify please? Thank you very much.
Update: I have read more about "scoped storage", and I think that the problem is only with apps that "need" to access beyond its own storage (like file managers, photo managers, etc). In that case, I think that the solution is just to keep with "old API" version of those apps, that will not have the Andoid 11 "scoped storage". I hope I am ok.
vaski88 said:
Yep, my microsd is readable till my phone lock himself. After that it dismount the card and I have a try at next day... same thing happens again and again. I didn't found a solution,but I still have 120 Gb free space in phone...
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elevation_ph said:
hi i'm having app issues since i have android 11.
some emulators that I have (dolphin) do not have access to the microsd folder where I have the roms.
does this happen to you? Is there any solution? wait for the application update?
thanks
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If you have Magisk: have you tried tze Magisk module mentioned here in XDA https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/module-exsdcard-write-access-enabler-5-0-8.3670428/?
Hello ! I am still trying to understand "scoped storage" before upgrading my Note 10+ to Android 11.
Does anybody know what will happen if using an "old" application targeted for APIS older than 30 ? Is it possible that old APKs still are allowed to access the SD Card ?
Example: I have a couple of apps (file managers type) used to do some back-ups to the SD Card. Using AppChecker, I have found that they are API 28 and API 29. So these APKs can still access SD Card under Android 11 ?
Thank you very much in advance.