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How Samsung/Goodle displease loyal customers with their FRP

I love Smartphones, i do since i had for the very first time a HP IPAQ in my hands. It was back in 2004 and i had to buy a GSM Module to be able to use it as a phone too because by default it was a handheld.
After i sold it, i bought myself a HTC Charmer, and so it started, i became member of this wonderful community and always got help with any question i had. I also found customized ROMs and used them, specially after i bought my first Android device, a Samsung Galaxy P1000 Tab. From this moment on i was kind of addicted to Samsung devices, as yu can see in my Smartphone history i had some non-Samsung phones but soon came back to it. I also have a Samsung TV, Laptop, Toaster, Fridge, Dishwasher, Microwave. The last great device was the Galaxy ALPHA, it was the best device i had, so fast and not plastic anymore, aluminium made.
After it broke i got myself a Galaxy S6 Edge. Unfortunally i had the batch where the GPS does not work but because i rooted it before i noticed, i lost warranty. This really annoyed me because i paid 740 Euro for this device and though i need GPS, the phone was useless for me. I was about to buy me an Iphone but when i went into the shop i came out with a Samsung S6 Edge +...
but this time FRP is installed and for rooting it, i had to remove the Google Account. After rooting it i have to remove the google Account every time before i boot into Recovery because otherwise i will find myself in a bootloop which can only be fixed flashing a stock ROM via Odin, hoping to not get out of battery because FRP does not only block custom binaries, it also blocks charging the battery so if you run out of battery with FRP active and in the recovery-bootloop, you have to bring your device to a technician.
For this reason this was absolutely my last Samsung/Google Device. I know that other ANdroid devices also use FRP so my next one will be again an IPHONE. If the Microsoft devices would look better i would buy me a Nokia/MS because Windows Mobile 8 is pretty fast but they are too ugly.
SO here ends my Smartphone history, Iphone is not supported in this forum unfortunately, and i will miss it but i share the opinion, if i buy myself a device for over 800 bucks, nobody has the right to install me any kind of software which bricks my phone under circumstances. Specially without asking...

Hang on. Let me get this straight. You are complaining because Samsung/Google is preventing you from doing something (which creates a security risk) that you shouldn't be doing in the first place?
Are you going to blame Apple next because you can't jailbreak your iPhone?
They have every right to do that. They don't have to ask. You purchased that phone with the software on it. There is nothing shady about it. It's all about security.
The software doesn't brick the phone during NORMAL USE. If you root and mess with it, then that's on you, not Samsung or Google.

One thing is for sure, it's becoming harder to root and modify phones nowadays to the point where you you potentially have a bricked expensive phone and no way out of it, im not suggesting that the phone comes pre rooted, however by making it more and more difficult they are only going to antagonize people further , even since i first got a HTC HD2 ive been into hacking and modding phones, most of you probably weren't around back in those days on here but for those who were you will remember the amazing work gone in and it was relatively easy to root a phone, in stark contrast to today, why do they have to make it so bloody hard, i really want to root my S6 Edge plus the ads are annoying and nothing works except when you are rooted but no way am i risking it because of this FRP nonsense.

GibMcFragger said:
Hang on. Let me get this straight. You are complaining because Samsung/Google is preventing you from doing something (which creates a security risk) that you shouldn't be doing in the first place?
Are you going to blame Apple next because you can't jailbreak your iPhone?
They have every right to do that. They don't have to ask. You purchased that phone with the software on it. There is nothing shady about it. It's all about security.
The software doesn't brick the phone during NORMAL USE. If you root and mess with it, then that's on you, not Samsung or Google.
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This is a bull**** response.
Yes, they do have a right to do it... unfortunately.
That has absolutely nothing to do with his right to complain about how the phone companies are getting worse at locking us out, sticking us with bloat, making it hard to set up what we've purchased the way we want to... building in bricking systems is just a scummy move.
Don't worry though, I'm sure with enough people like you even our cars in the future will brick when we use the wrong manufacturer's tires.

i have just now discovered that my S6 Edge plus doesnt in fact have FRP, well after booting into download mode it says FRP off, it sayd "knox void" i did try and root trying the method on here but it didnt work or did it partially work, it;s been a few years since i last had a Samsung, OPO before this and HTC before that and both are different when it comes to rooting.
If it's a case i can root without having to worry about this FRP nonsense them ill be delighted with that.

jackfrost7 said:
This is a bull**** response.
Yes, they do have a right to do it... unfortunately.
That has absolutely nothing to do with his right to complain about how the phone companies are getting worse at locking us out, sticking us with bloat, making it hard to set up what we've purchased the way we want to... building in bricking systems is just a scummy move.
Don't worry though, I'm sure with enough people like you even our cars in the future will brick when we use the wrong manufacturer's tires.
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Lol that's a bull**** comparison. Putting different tires on a car in no way compares to MODIFYING YOUR DEVICE IN A WAY IT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE.
Yes, I agree with you on the bloatware though.
You also have to remember that only a small percentage of people modify their phones or even know what rooting is, so neither Samsung or Google have any issues installing security measures for the maybe 10% that screw with their phones.

children please stop this arguing

GibMcFragger said:
Lol that's a bull**** comparison. Putting different tires on a car in no way compares to MODIFYING YOUR DEVICE IN A WAY IT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE.
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It's not a great comparison, but I think it serves the purpose... unlocking/rooting is not modifying the device, its modifying the software (tires) running on the device (engine), which is arbitrarily restricted "because they can."
Look at everything you own, and look at how cell phones are different: even if you own them, you can't do what you want to them not because it's impossible, not because it would break it... but because the manufacturers' won't let you, and do a lot to actively punish you for trying to do so.
For some reason people don't like to realize that cell phones are computers with the ability to connect to phone networks. How many computers are locked down in a similar fashion to cell phones?
Stop sticking up for the phone manufacturers.

jackfrost7 said:
It's not a great comparison, but I think it serves the purpose... unlocking/rooting is not modifying the device, its modifying the software (tires) running on the device (engine), which is arbitrarily restricted "because they can."
Look at everything you own, and look at how cell phones are different: even if you own them, you can't do what you want to them not because it's impossible, not because it would break it... but because the manufacturers' won't let you, and do a lot to actively punish you for trying to do so.
For some reason people don't like to realize that cell phones are computers with the ability to connect to phone networks. How many computers are locked down in a similar fashion to cell phones?
Stop sticking up for the phone manufacturers.
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It's funny the car comparison actually. I work in the car business. Your can also modify the software in your vehicle. They are also powered by computers. Guess what? It voids the warranty on the engine, JUST LIKE A PHONE. Nobody is stopping anyone from modifying software in their phones, but don't expect the manufactures to make it easy, or honor the warranty.
It's not like swapping tires. Swapping tires is like putting a different case on your phone, which you are free to do. It's like putting jet fuel into your gas tank because "I own the car, I should be able to do what I want", and then complaining when the engine blows up....
I'm not defending anyone, i'm being realistic.

GibMcFragger said:
Nobody is stopping anyone from modifying software in their phones, but don't expect the manufactures to make it easy, or honor the warranty.
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No, they ARE stopping you, the only way we can do it is by working around their attempts to stop us.
GibMcFragger said:
It's not like swapping tires. Swapping tires is like putting a different case on your phone, which you are free to do. It's like putting jet fuel into your gas tank because "I own the car, I should be able to do what I want", and then complaining when the engine blows up....
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No, because tires are required to use the vehicle, a case isn't required to use a phone. And putting jet fuel into your gas tank would damage the vehicle, unlike changing the software your phone runs.
GibMcFragger said:
I'm not defending anyone, i'm being realistic.
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Okay, sure...

jonny68 said:
One thing is for sure, it's becoming harder to root and modify phones nowadays to the point where you you potentially have a bricked expensive phone and no way out of it, im not suggesting that the phone comes pre rooted, however by making it more and more difficult they are only going to antagonize people further , even since i first got a HTC HD2 ive been into hacking and modding phones, most of you probably weren't around back in those days on here but for those who were you will remember the amazing work gone in and it was relatively easy to root a phone, in stark contrast to today, why do they have to make it so bloody hard, i really want to root my S6 Edge plus the ads are annoying and nothing works except when you are rooted but no way am i risking it because of this FRP nonsense.
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i remember the old days, and you are right!

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Who's getting rid of the note 7?

Just wondering who here is keeping the note 7 and taking the risk of it exploding? I'm happy to keep mine though little annoyed that they've stopped gear VR support and I'm 80% certain Samsung will eventually force us all to return the note 7 by maybe a software update that renders the phone useless.
I honestly have no idea what phone I'd get, I had the S7 edge as a temporary replacement phone while the recall was going on and it didn't feel as good as the note 7, the software wasn't as good and I missed the little features like the swipe gesture in the camera app for example. I still have my note 4 but it uses a different sim card so will have to get an adaptor but even then the note 4 seems really out dated in comparison but I get to keep the S-pen which is the biggest reason I got a note device in the first place. I also have a gear s2 smart watch and while it should work with other android phones it's just works better with a Samsung phone. I hope Samsung do something quick maybe release a note 8 and replace the note 7s with it lol there's just no alternatives.
What are you doing with your note 7?

Heading to VZW over lunch. No clue what I'm replacing with, or if they will even allow me yet (VZW 3rd Party).

mikesaa309 said:
What are you doing with your note 7?
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Hanging on to it for as long as I possibly can. If the deadline for a replacement or refund is midnight on 31st December, I'll hand it in on 31st December.

Is a p**s take though like what about people who've brought cases for the note 7 and other accessories? I purchased my gear vr from ebay for £80 as the seller had it with the note 7 but didn't want it and I couldn't seem to find it anywhere online or in shops probably due to the recall. I had the S7 edge at the time so could still use it but now they've cut off note 7 support so I no longer can use my gear VR so I'd at least like to know exactly what's going on so I can possibly see about selling it. Add on top the money I've spent on apps which I can no long use on the gear VR it's just ridiculous. I personally wouldn't mind waiting through another recall as long as I get to keep and use the note 7 I have then just swap it for a new and hopefully completely safe note 7 but looks like the note 7 is done for.

I'm keeping mine. I will treasure it even more now knowing once it's gone, it's gone forever. Now I need to figure out a way getting rid of the 60% charging cap. I love this phone so much!

jak341 said:
Heading to VZW over lunch. No clue what I'm replacing with, or if they will even allow me yet (VZW 3rd Party).
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VZW was no help here. They said deal w Samsung. BS.

If I change the build.prop file, do you reckon I can trick the oculus app into thinking it's an S7 edge not a note 7?? I used it on the gear vr before the update and it seemed to work okay without getting stupidly hot even had it on charge lol.

The phones I want aren't out yet... Hoping final refund instructions come out in time to pre order the v20.. or maybe the pixel . I'm in the Philippines... Don't know how I can order the pixel lol

juliend said:
VZW was no help here. They said deal w Samsung. BS.
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If not today, give it some time. This is still breaking news and info. hasn't flown down yet.
I did notice in my VZW account that my Note 7 now says "Upgrade Eligible". This wasn't there yesterday. Something on the back end happened.
At minimum, I'm going to deactivate this device and put an old phone on the account for now.

TMO has offered to exchange me out of this POS. But as others have said, there is nothing out there right now to really hold it down. So my question is this, Nougat won't be released for the N7 I suppose, what is the true lifespan of the phone with updates not being released for it? And of course, there is the explosion possibility?

androidcentralsucks said:
TMO has offered to exchange me out of this POS. But as others have said, there is nothing out there right now to really hold it down. So my question is this, Nougat won't be released for the N7 I suppose, what is the true lifespan of the phone with updates not being released for it? And of course, there is the explosion possibility?
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Personally - and you have to make up your own mind on this - I am not even 0.000000000001 % bothered about the "explosion risk". You have about as much chance of winning Euromillions tonight, and in my view, that is no basis to reject a piece of equipment.
The lack of updates and also dismal resale value is much more concerning.
But worse than any of that, I think Samsung will send out an update that cripples the phone. They did it with Rev.1. so I have no reason to assume they won't do the same with Rev.2. Your choice to keep it may very well be taken out of your hands, which personally, I think is disgusting.

jak341 said:
If not today, give it some time. This is still breaking news and info. hasn't flown down yet.
I did notice in my VZW account that my Note 7 now says "Upgrade Eligible". This wasn't there yesterday. Something on the back end happened.
At minimum, I'm going to deactivate this device and put an old phone on the account for now.
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Yeah, I'm back on my OG HTC One, lol. So far 1 hour on the phone with Samsung and everyone is clueless. About to hang up and just hit VZW again in a day or two. I have to say, though, it's irritating to be paying on a device that is powered down and not activated on my line (Edge financing).

Time to cut loses. Thats what samsung did. The phone hase become a liability. Get your money back if you can.

juliend said:
Yeah, I'm back on my OG HTC One, lol. So far 1 hour on the phone with Samsung and everyone is clueless. About to hang up and just hit VZW again in a day or two. I have to say, though, it's irritating to be paying on a device that is powered down and not activated on my line (Edge financing).
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Why don't you just use it? Seriously there's been like 8 with problems out of what, 2 million, 3 million? Seriously you have more chance of being run over than having a problem with the device.
The thing with statistics is they can be unintuitive and lead to strange conclusions. Let's say one phone in every 500,000 is going to develop a fault and catch fire. From Samsung's perspective, that means they can be certain they will have lots of unhappy customers, potential lawsuits and bad publicity and therefore it's a bit of a no-brainer to stop selling it.
But from your perspective, you have a 500,000:1 on chance that your phone will have no problems. And in the remotely unlikely event that it does, how likely is it to kill you, burn your house down or anything like that. Even less likely. There are ZERO such reports.
So it's up to you, but for me, it's a no brainer to keep using it, and I hope Samsung will respect that point of view and not cripple our phones with some unnecessary and unwanted forced update.

Chippy_boy said:
Personally - and you have to make up your own mind on this - I am not even 0.000000000001 % bothered about the "explosion risk". You have about as much chance of winning Euromillions tonight, and in my view, that is no basis to reject a piece of equipment.
The lack of updates and also dismal resale value is much more concerning.
But worse than any of that, I think Samsung will send out an update that cripples the phone. They did it with Rev.1. so I have no reason to assume they won't do the same with Rev.2. Your choice to keep it may very well be taken out of your hands, which personally, I think is disgusting.
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Yeah I agree I'm not so much concerned about the explosion risk but just the lack of support and updates in the future. Wish they'd just let us take the risk I for one wouldn't sue Samsung if my note 7 does explode there's little chance that you haven't heard about the issues from somewhere therefore it's not Samsung's fault that I took the risk.

What did samsung do with the phone after they recalled it, if they didn't fix the issue?

Samsung UK web site has no mention of recall for v2.
Doing nothing until Samsung (who I bought it from) contact me. Even then it won't be going back until it's knocked out by Samsung.

Rick GM said:
Samsung UK web site has no mention of recall for v2.
Doing nothing until Samsung (who I bought it from) contact me. Even then it won't be going back until it's knocked out by Samsung.
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https://twitter.com/SamsungUK/status/785863444696272896, they want UK note 7 owners to give the phone back

mikesaa309 said:
Yeah I agree I'm not so much concerned about the explosion risk but just the lack of support and updates in the future. Wish they'd just let us take the risk I for one wouldn't sue Samsung if my note 7 does explode there's little chance that you haven't heard about the issues from somewhere therefore it's not Samsung's fault that I took the risk.
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Indeed. Just looking it up now, you are 500 times more likely to die from riding a motorbike than you are to have a fire with your Note 7. (Assuming 1 phone per 500,000 has a problem.)

best buy exchanged mine out with no questions asked. I was told to even keep the 256GB SD card. unfortunate I went to the dark side and got iphone7 plus. The LG was just cheap and I was unimpressed. Buying the Google Pixel XL outright to bring over to Sprint was not a option for me. I am done with Sammy with all the issues I have had with there products since the Note 4 and other house hold appliances. Iphone was my only option.

Some questions on the Note 7 Recall Saga

Hi,
I am the owner of Note 7 (replaced to the Green battery) , I had no issue with the phone (both the initial one and the replaced one). It is actually the 'coolest' (temperature wise ) phone that I had.
Reading all the information that circulated in the past weeks related to this saga of the Note 7, some questions came to my mind:
- Isn’t it strange that, after the recall has been declared, no more Note 7 ‘exploded’???
- Do you really believe that everybody switched off the phone immediately and is calmly waiting to ship the phone back?
- How come no phone ‘exploded’ in any dealer’s warehouse?
- Don't know of any case of phone going in flames in Canada, Europe, Middle East (are these ones 'special' in any way?)???
- Of all the returned phones, even if the carriers had a lot of concerns, was any single case of a device which caught fire?
- How come Samsung is not able to replicate the conditions so one phone will blow, even if they assigned hundreds of engineers? Why don't they seek help from a specialized company/agency in order to determine the causes?
- Is it Samsung ready to scrap all the R&D invested in the design of the most feature rich phone on the market? Why aren't they taking the time (even few months) to make sure they get it right and come back with something aka Note 7s, just in time for the end of year season?
- Aren't all these 'better safe than sorry', 'don't take any risk', etc. a bit over inflated by the media? Is this the biggest risk we take daily in our lives?
Please try to comment on these concerns and try to raise other reasonable questions

You talk about second recall in the first question...and yes it's very strange.
Second: in a video it's showing a gap between glass and metal . Haw hard could it be to insert something small and make a hole into the battery....and make it burn?
Now comes my question: I haven't seen no one video with burning note to show a minute or two BEFORE ignition. Every video shows only after or while it't burning. I must say that samsung now could be in front of a great attack from others...
P.S. I still think that N7 IS the best phone money can buy at the moment and I was PRO for a second excange. Anyway I will buy Note 8 on preorder next year.
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MariusB said:
Hi,
I am the owner of Note 7 (replaced to the Green battery) , I had no issue with the phone (both the initial one and the replaced one). It is actually the 'coolest' (temperature wise ) phone that I had.
Reading all the information that circulated in the past weeks related to this saga of the Note 7, some questions came to my mind:
- Isn’t it strange that, after the recall has been declared, no more Note 7 ‘exploded’???
- Do you really believe that everybody switched off the phone immediately and is calmly waiting to ship the phone back?
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Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
- How come no phone ‘exploded’ in any dealer’s warehouse?
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Because they are powered off.
- Don't know of any case of phone going in flames in Canada, Europe, Middle East (are these ones 'special' in any way?)???
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Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
- Of all the returned phones, even if the carriers had a lot of concerns, was any single case of a device which caught fire?
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Again, they are powered off.
- How come Samsung is not able to replicate the conditions so one phone will blow, even if they assigned hundreds of engineers? Why don't they seek help from a specialized company/agency in order to determine the causes?
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You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
- Is it Samsung ready to scrap all the R&D invested in the design of the most feature rich phone on the market? Why aren't they taking the time (even few months) to make sure they get it right and come back with something aka Note 7s, just in time for the end of year season?
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I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
- Aren't all these 'better safe than sorry', 'don't take any risk', etc. a bit over inflated by the media? Is this the biggest risk we take daily in our lives?
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We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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calinormy said:
You talk about second recall in the first question...and yes it's very strange.
Second: in a video it's showing a gap between glass and metal . Haw hard could it be to insert something small and make a hole into the battery....and make it burn?
Now comes my question: I haven't seen no one video with burning note to show a minute or two BEFORE ignition. Every video shows only after or while it't burning. I must say that samsung now could be in front of a great attack from others...
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.

I think samsung should and will find the actual issue soon enough, don't think they'd move further without knowing for sure what happened. That said, chances are it'll still be too late for note7, unless, hopefully, they find out there was never an issue to begin with or if the solution is completely software and able to implement it in time.
Let's use the 'explosive' words more careful than the media. There was never an actual explosion (which denotes a violent reaction associated with a shock wave) unless I have missed such event.
This defect probability appears to be quite low. That would explain why Canadian or European market, much smaller, didn't account in burning reportings yet.
Finally, I was reading thru the note's manual the other day. It is clear that it's expected from the owner a decent amount of care in using the device as, for instance, it states, amongst other things, that one should not wear it in his back pocket or sit on it to avoid it catching fire.
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MariusB said:
Hi,
I am the owner of Note 7 (replaced to the Green battery) , I had no issue with the phone (both the initial one and the replaced one). It is actually the 'coolest' (temperature wise ) phone that I had.
Reading all the information that circulated in the past weeks related to this saga of the Note 7, some questions came to my mind:
- Isn’t it strange that, after the recall has been declared, no more Note 7 ‘exploded’???
- Do you really believe that everybody switched off the phone immediately and is calmly waiting to ship the phone back?
- How come no phone ‘exploded’ in any dealer’s warehouse?
- Don't know of any case of phone going in flames in Canada, Europe, Middle East (are these ones 'special' in any way?)???
- Of all the returned phones, even if the carriers had a lot of concerns, was any single case of a device which caught fire?
- How come Samsung is not able to replicate the conditions so one phone will blow, even if they assigned hundreds of engineers? Why don't they seek help from a specialized company/agency in order to determine the causes?
- Is it Samsung ready to scrap all the R&D invested in the design of the most feature rich phone on the market? Why aren't they taking the time (even few months) to make sure they get it right and come back with something aka Note 7s, just in time for the end of year season?
- Aren't all these 'better safe than sorry', 'don't take any risk', etc. a bit over inflated by the media? Is this the biggest risk we take daily in our lives?
Please try to comment on these concerns and try to raise other reasonable questions
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If you want to keep the phone, go for it! You talk sense and you'd be absolutely annoyed at yourself if you listened to the majority of the blind leading the blind on here rather than your own intuition. Keep it! For now at least. Fools rush in. Don't be a fool.

its a dead story now, the media crapple fans have won. they have single handily destroyed the best phone ever created/produced. with apple falling and the public hoping to cash in. it was a perfect storm, a **** storm at that! i traded my safe note 7s in on monday, it was becoming obvious this was not going to go away. i hated to do it, and will be first in line next year for the note 8, or whatever it may be called

jejb said:
Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
Because they are powered off.
Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
Again, they are powered off.
You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.
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Powering them down doesn't prevent them from catching fire.

I saw a video from surveilence camera. I think was the last one from two days ago inside someone's hause/ room. I can understand that no one is recording 24/24 but at least in this case I am wright.
I think, for all of us with trust in Note brand that we should open an worlwide petition to samsung and ask to continue Note line next year.
If someone could make that I'
jejb said:
Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
Because they are powered off.
Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
Again, they are powered off.
You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.
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jejb said:
Which recall? The 2nd from Samsung or the 2nd from the CPSC? The CPSC says there have been 23 fires on the new phones. So obviously we're not hearing about all of them in the press.
Because they are powered off.
Not sure if there has not been any cases, but there is some speculation it may be a difference in the processor.
Again, they are powered off.
You are assuming they have not replicated it in a lab. Hard to say if that assumption is correct or not.
I'm sure most of us would love to see that happen.
We get it, you like the phone and don't want to get rid of it. But this is an unnecessary risk. I guess if you live alone in a detached single family dwelling, the only risk you're taking is your own well being. But the phone is not going to be supported, and will likely be shut off in one way or another.
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A video before ignition? Do you have a video camera trained on your phone 24x7? Actually, that'd be kind of suspicious if someone were videoing their phone just prior to it melting.
Sorry, I'm not buying into any grand conspiracy theory on this one. Something was not designed right, and Samsung (and us Note lovers) are paying the price. Simple as that.
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If, being powered off and not charging is not making them to 'explode' (they all like the word explode, even if it is nothing like this...), why all the shipping companies are making such a big deal in not accepting to ship back the returns (powered off and in no way connected to chargers)?
How come, no unit which was on display in the showrooms, always connected to charging and handled by hundreds of people in all the possible ways, was not 'exploding'? This is real 'luck' for Samsung...

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I saw a video from surveilence camera. I think was the last one from two days ago inside someone's hause/ room. I can understand that no one is recording 24/24 but at least in this case I am wright.
I think, for all of us with trust in Note brand that we should open an worlwide petition to samsung and ask to continue Note line next year.
If someone could make that I'
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Here's the funny thing. the video from the surveillance camera...... YOU DONT SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE WOMANS HAND.

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Powering them down doesn't prevent them from catching fire.
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Is there a case of one going up in smoke that was fully powered off? If so, I retract my comments, but would like a link to that information before doing so. The ones I've heard of were all powered on at the time.

23 cases reported to the cpsc since Sept 15. They are happening...it's just that not everyone instantly calls the verge.
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My guess is that those devices could have a faulty battery protection circuit that is attached straight to the battery(inside battery case). Those usually make the lithium batteries go boom when You mess with them. Although I tried shorting out this circuit once and all what happened was pretty much a discharged battery to 0% within a second and it wouldn't charge.
But. In case of those Note 7 explosions I think that this circuit gets waaay too hot and the electrolyte inside the battery is starting to boil and a chemical reaction goes off and BOOM!
Now time for the conspiracy theory with facts
Apple. That is the answer! Apple hired a group of people all around the USA to somehow burn their phones and to make sure that it will look like the battery exploded(hair dryer to the back of the phone?)
News say that most Note 7s are exploding in USA. And this way people would start hating Samsung because their phones aren't safe. And would buy iPhones! Well.. they failed. News report that most people after leaving Note 7 go for S7 Edge.
What do You guys think? Both about the realistic theory and the conspiracy theory?

https://www.change.org/p/samsung-sa...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

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That's a very reasonable petition and I thought for a moment about signing it.
However, I decided not to, and I'll explain why: Clearly the Note 7 has some safety issues and although we might debate how much of a risk it is, the fact remains that too many have been catching fire and this should not be happening in a properly designed and manufactured device. That being the case, it is unavoidable that Samsung had to stop selling them, especially if it could not be 100% certain what the cause of the fires has been.
Under these circumstances, I think it is fantasy to imagine that Samsung is going to dedicate development resources onto a withdrawn phone with a VERY limited user base. Asking for Nougat is a complete waste of time: it simply is NOT going to happen, ever. Since we can expect ZERO updates, then whether we like it or not, the phone is effectively finished. You'd be mad to plan on keeping long term an expensive product that will get no security or other updates ever.
What I *would* petition for is for Samsung to release a Note 7 mk II at the soonest opportunity. The Note 7 mk II would be a Note 7, identical in every respect except for the overheating problem fixed. I'd switch to one of those in a heartbeat.
Unfortunately, I don't think Samsung are going to do that. I think they want to ditch the Note 7 entirely, because of the bad publicity. And I don't think we will see a new S-pen Samsung untll fall 2017, and it won't be called a Note. I think this is a shame.

Recall IMEI Block, How Low Will They Go?

Ok, so I'm one of the "brave" ones that is keeping the Galaxy Note 7 despite what's going on (I'm sorry if you don't agree with this).
Anyways, so simply enough I have used a 'Package Disabler app' to block any future updates that could be pushed onto the Note 7 that would cap the battery charge limit or annoying me with any pop ups & notifications to return it like they did on the first recall; if T-Mobile keeps sending me text messages to return it, then I'm blocking their number as well... these things will NO LONGER a problem.
My only concern now is that since the CPSC is involved and has pretty much officially issued a recall to return all the Note 7's back to Samsung, how LOW will they go to get us to do that? The worse case scenario that I have seen people bring up is that somehow, someway the carriers will "blacklist" or "block" the IMEI numbers of any active Note 7's on their network, thus rendering the phone pretty much useless.
I'm not sure if there's a deadline to return these recalled devices, but I would HATE for my IMEI to be blocked out of service 3 or 6 months down the line & then T-Mobile telling me I have to go through Samsung for a refund now since I missed the return window for carrier returns & exchanges.
I think this is down right RIDICOULUS, (we live in America) but I am not completely dismissing the possibility of this happening considering all of the bad energy behind this whole situation.
Just a thought though, do you think that maybe this will be the next step, to block the IMEI completely & FORCE an exchange from us "diehard" fans REFUSING to return it? Seems like they could flex that muscle in this situation but I don't know.
What do you all think? Any input is GREATLY appreciated!

lorenzobjuarez said:
Ok, so I'm one of the "brave" ones that is keeping the Galaxy Note 7 despite what's going on (I'm sorry if you don't agree with this).
Anyways, so simply enough I have used a 'Package Disabler app' to block any future updates that could be pushed onto the Note 7 that would cap the battery charge limit or annoying me with any pop ups & notifications to return it like they did on the first recall; if T-Mobile keeps sending me text messages to return it, then I'm blocking their number as well... these things will NO LONGER a problem.
My only concern now is that since the CPSC is involved and has pretty much officially issued a recall to return all the Note 7's back to Samsung, how LOW will they go to get us to do that? The worse case scenario that I have seen people bring up is that somehow, someway the carriers will "blacklist" or "block" the IMEI numbers of any active Note 7's on their network, thus rendering the phone pretty much useless.
I'm not sure if there's a deadline to return these recalled devices, but I would HATE for my IMEI to be blocked out of service 3 or 6 months down the line & then T-Mobile telling me I have to go through Samsung for a refund now since I missed the return window for carrier returns & exchanges.
I think this is down right RIDICOULUS, (we live in America) but I am not completely dismissing the possibility of this happening considering all of the bad energy behind this whole situation.
Just a thought though, do you think that maybe this will be the next step, to block the IMEI completely & FORCE an exchange from us "diehard" fans REFUSING to return it? Seems like they could flex that muscle in this situation but I don't know.
What do you all think? Any input is GREATLY appreciated!
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Yes it is i can confirm from a manger friend who works at verizon
Expect this in the coming months

I'm glad to see someone else is planning on keeping the Note 7. I'm thinking of holding on to mine until the S8 comes out in February. The risk is low (statistically) and I love the phone. I disabled software updates.
If they do the IMEI block, I'm obviously sunk. I suppose they might do that at some point, but I assume they would have to give advance warning. I'd also like to see if they put a deadline on returning the phone--although I can't imagine they could refuse a return after that.

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I'm glad to see someone else is planning on keeping the Note 7. I'm thinking of holding on to mine until the S8 comes out in February. The risk is low (statistically) and I love the phone. I disabled software updates.
If they do the IMEI block, I'm obviously sunk. I suppose they might do that at some point, but I assume they would have to give advance warning. I'd also like to see if they put a deadline on returning the phone--although I can't imagine they could refuse a return after that.
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they have said for everyone to turn off the phone and return it to the retailer, so they wouldn't actually need to give notice before blocking the phones as they have already directly informed everyone to turn off and return them now.
so if you are keeping one all you are doing is keeping a phone that is likely to have no further development and also likely to be heavily targeted by people to stop use of the phone. basically hanging onto the phone all you are doing is asking for problems, as you are keeping something that has been deemed unsafe and had a direct instruction from the manufacturer to turn off and return as soon as physically possible.

Belimawr said:
they have said for everyone to turn off the phone and return it to the retailer, so they wouldn't actually need to give notice before blocking the phones as they have already directly informed everyone to turn off and return them now.
so if you are keeping one all you are doing is keeping a phone that is likely to have no further development and also likely to be heavily targeted by people to stop use of the phone. basically hanging onto the phone all you are doing is asking for problems, as you are keeping something that has been deemed unsafe and had a direct instruction from the manufacturer to turn off and return as soon as physically possible.
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By direct instruction from the Manufacturer does this mean Samsung has sent out Emails or Txts to Note 7 Customers? I ask because from what I have heard they haven't (yet/so far) like was the scenario during the initial recall.

The Phone Company said:
By direct instruction from the Manufacturer does this mean Samsung has sent out Emails or Txts to Note 7 Customers? I ask because from what I have heard they haven't (yet/so far) like was the scenario during the initial recall.
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they have issued the instruction via various news outlets and media as they have to by law and also via the phone suppliers, networks in the UK have been texting/contacting all Note owners telling them to turn off and return the device. so they have fulfilled their need to give notice that is why yesterday there was a massive amount of media coverage as the media coverage is used as a form of notice as it also reaches people who purchased from unofficial sources.

Belimawr said:
they have said for everyone to turn off the phone and return it to the retailer, so they wouldn't actually need to give notice before blocking the phones as they have already directly informed everyone to turn off and return them now.
so if you are keeping one all you are doing is keeping a phone that is likely to have no further development and also likely to be heavily targeted by people to stop use of the phone. basically hanging onto the phone all you are doing is asking for problems, as you are keeping something that has been deemed unsafe and had a direct instruction from the manufacturer to turn off and return as soon as physically possible.
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Again it's a VOLUNTARY recall. Read for yourself is in the first line and was updated today 10/13/16
http://www.samsung.com/us/note7recall/?cid=ppc-

Belimawr said:
they have said for everyone to turn off the phone and return it to the retailer, so they wouldn't actually need to give notice before blocking the phones as they have already directly informed everyone to turn off and return them now.
so if you are keeping one all you are doing is keeping a phone that is likely to have no further development and also likely to be heavily targeted by people to stop use of the phone. basically hanging onto the phone all you are doing is asking for problems, as you are keeping something that has been deemed unsafe and had a direct instruction from the manufacturer to turn off and return as soon as physically possible.
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Belimawr said:
they have issued the instruction via various news outlets and media as they have to by law and also via the phone suppliers, networks in the UK have been texting/contacting all Note owners telling them to turn off and return the device. so they have fulfilled their need to give notice that is why yesterday there was a massive amount of media coverage as the media coverage is used as a form of notice as it also reaches people who purchased from unofficial sources.
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You do realize, especially with the advent of the Internet (which brought about 'Alternative Media' that some of us Free-Thinkers totally do NOT follow Mainstream News in the slightest, or even have TV's, as anyone in their right mind should have figured out by now that 'News' is nothing more than misery and fear-mongering.
I choose to steer well clear of such form of negative mind-controlling indoctrination and as an individual who has control of their own mind I live life independently.
Thank you, and have a GREAT day!

I feel kind of sad
I feel kind of sad. Out of the large number of these phones only an extremely small fraction had a problem. We don't even know what the complete story was with the ones that had issues: Did the users use after-market chargers? Was it only a small lot of batteries that had issues?. I was looking forward to saving up and getting one.
The good side is that Samsung is a great company. I'm sure they will come out with a Note 7.5 or Note 8 in the near future that will be even better.

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You do realize, especially with the advent of the Internet (which brought about 'Alternative Media' that some of us Free-Thinkers totally do NOT follow Mainstream News in the slightest, or even have TV's, as anyone in their right mind should have figured out by now that 'News' is nothing more than misery and fear-mongering.
I choose to steer well clear of such form of negative mind-controlling indoctrination and as an individual who has control of their own mind I live life independently.
Thank you, and have a GREAT day!
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But yet you have a smart device.... Way to be a free thinker.

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You do realize, especially with the advent of the Internet (which brought about 'Alternative Media' that some of us Free-Thinkers totally do NOT follow Mainstream News in the slightest, or even have TV's, as anyone in their right mind should have figured out by now that 'News' is nothing more than misery and fear-mongering.
I choose to steer well clear of such form of negative mind-controlling indoctrination and as an individual who has control of their own mind I live life independently.
Thank you, and have a GREAT day!
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yet you are posting on a site that also covered the news that the phones should be turned off and returned, that is why I said other media as well as they have sent the info out in that many ways unless you are living under a rock you will have seen it.
@Novarider they have to put that as they can't force people to give up the phone, but basically by the way they have worked it if you hang onto the phone should it fail or have problems it comes back to you, should it break down the road it's discontinued so you have no option to get it fixed or replaced, the same as after the instruction the phone companies and other companies have the right to ban the phones use over safety concerns, so while they say voluntary basically you are taking all responsibility for the device.
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I feel kind of sad. Out of the large number of these phones only an extremely small fraction had a problem. We don't even know what the complete story was with the ones that had issues: Did the users use after-market chargers? Was it only a small lot of batteries that had issues?. I was looking forward to saving up and getting one.
The good side is that Samsung is a great company. I'm sure they will come out with a Note 7.5 or Note 8 in the near future that will be even better.
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the problem is with the new ones there is too much fear from people so it was easier to just kill the device.

Here in France it seems that Samsung will do the replacement of the phones, not the carriers. I think I'll ask for a S7Edge, and then I'm considering keeping both phones, not retirning the Note7... Apparently in the first recall, only the first phone batch was IMEI disabled, so if you didn't return it, you would end up with a phone-disabled device. But I don't really care if they disable my Note7 IMEI, as I wouldn't use it as a phone anymore but more like a Note phablet/media player/relic of the past (and kept safely inside a metallic/glass box while not in use). My only hope is that they would disable the new S7E I'd got, simply because I didn't return the Note7... But it's going to go to waste after all so I don't really think they'll care about it... What'd ya think? (Please no comments about risks and safety).

Rado_vr6 said:
But yet you have a smart device.... Way to be a free thinker.
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You got me there!
Although I did sell my Gear VR on eBay as I wholeheartedly do NOT consent to "virtual" reality. ACTUAL reality for me all day long please!

Mwyann said:
Here in France it seems that Samsung will do the replacement of the phones, not the carriers. I think I'll ask for a S7Edge, and then I'm considering keeping both phones, not retirning the Note7... Apparently in the first recall, only the first phone batch was IMEI disabled, so if you didn't return it, you would end up with a phone-disabled device. But I don't really care if they disable my Note7 IMEI, as I wouldn't use it as a phone anymore but more like a Note phablet/media player/relic of the past (and kept safely inside a metallic/glass box while not in use). My only hope is that they would disable the new S7E I'd got, simply because I didn't return the Note7... But it's going to go to waste after all so I don't really think they'll care about it... What'd ya think? (Please no comments about risks and safety).
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you will totally have to return the device to get a new one, as if you don't you technically still have the product even if they disable it.

They would not call it a voluntary recall then torn around and blacklist the imei of the devices. Blacklisting them would make it not voluntary

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you will totally have to return the device to get a new one, as if you don't you technically still have the product even if they disable it.
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On first recall I got the replacement phone shipped with a box to return the old phone. I could've kept both phones if I wanted to. I'm pretty sure they'll do the same thing again but this time I'm really considering keeping it, not returning any phone back to Samsung. When IU asked the Samsung lady I got on the phone, she said that old phones will be IMEI blacklisted anyway, she didn't told me about anything else... but who knows .
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From Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxynote7/comments/53rngg/_/d7wasiu
Seems "safe" not to return it (no extra charge). I'll ask the Samsung employee about this (and record the call in the process) but I think that's what I'm gonna do.

Mwyann said:
On first recall I got the replacement phone shipped with a box to return the old phone. I could've kept both phones if I wanted to. I'm pretty sure they'll do the same thing again but this time I'm really considering keeping it, not returning any phone back to Samsung. When IU asked the Samsung lady I got on the phone, she said that old phones will be IMEI blacklisted anyway, she didn't told me about anything else... but who knows .
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From Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxynote7/comments/53rngg/_/d7wasiu
Seems "safe" not to return it (no extra charge). I'll ask the Samsung employee about this (and record the call in the process) but I think that's what I'm gonna do.
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it seems unlikely they will let the phones stay in the wild when returning, things will be up in the air due to the amount of people involved in the recall, but I would put money on when the dust settles they will go after the people who failed to return as they will technically have 2 devices while only paying for one.

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it seems unlikely they will let the phones stay in the wild when returning, things will be up in the air due to the amount of people involved in the recall, but I would put money on when the dust settles they will go after the people who failed to return as they will technically have 2 devices while only paying for one.
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What if it's been "stolen"? Do you think they'll bother looking for proofs that my phone hasn't really been stolen and sue me?

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What if it's been "stolen"? Do you think they'll bother looking for proofs that my phone hasn't really been stolen and sue me?
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The word you're looking for is "fraud"
They're shipped back and forth with tracking, are they not? How would you show it has been stolen?
Also, they wont be suing you, that's something an insurance agency will do.

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What if it's been "stolen"? Do you think they'll bother looking for proofs that my phone hasn't really been stolen and sue me?
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they will ask for a crime report, meaning you would also need to make a false report to the police, or the insurance firm who is likely recovering the devices will come after you for it down the road.

Samsung UK not giving up!

I got a notification on Saturday from Samsung with said that on Jan 31st they are issuing another update which will prevent battery charging completely and disable mobile network access.
This is GREAT news, because it means there can be ZERO question of whether I'd be able to get a refund or not when I take my Note7 back when the S8 comes out (or whatever else I decide to change it to.)
Thanks Samsung!
(Of course the update won't affect me, so I'll carry on using my Note7 until then.)

This had also crossed my mind, if one owns Note7 until S8 Note8 is released, will samsung be willing to replace Note7 (a flagship device) for the next best thing equivalent at the time S8 Note8 is launched?
Another question also crossed my mind, regardless if I have everything that came with the phone and I am lawful owner of the phone but have no proof of purchase, will smasung still be willing to replace it for me or thats just a pipe-dream?
To my understanding, samsung cannot refuse to replace Note7 to anything but the best thing available at the time, so when note8 S8 is out etc, they shouldnt be offering S7 as a replacement at the time, what do you think?
Also, another thought (bare with me here) , samsung had 96% of 3million devices sold returned, of which 220000 were taken under very intense testing and investigations to reproduce faults and what not, so look at this now, once all is now done and clear to public, they have over 2.5 million note7 in stock that require a new safe battery replacement issue, reboxing and should sell worldwide or in some limited regions for a discounted price as a safe refurbs (some time soon I guess), they wouldnt just burry all that gold worth pile of Note7's now , would they?
I almost sense a new "Note7S" coming out some time very soon, carrying "S" on the back as being SAFE with probably reworked same capacity safe battery or with some 3000mAh battery and free wireless charging backpack battery pack case that samsung was selling for note7 phones.
Your thoughts?

Chippy_boy said:
I got a notification on Saturday from Samsung with said that on Jan 31st they are issuing another update which will prevent battery charging completely and disable mobile network access.
This is GREAT news, because it means there can be ZERO question of whether I'd be able to get a refund or not when I take my Note7 back when the S8 comes out (or whatever else I decide to change it to.)
Thanks Samsung!
(Of course the update won't affect me, so I'll carry on using my Note7 until then.)
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Hi how are you going to manage that this 31st January will not affect you? Please share as I still have note 7.
M.

xxxMJTxxx said:
Hi how are you going to manage that this 31st January will not affect you? Please share as I still have note 7.
M.
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I've got all the updates blocked mate. Have a search on this forum and you'll find plenty of ways to do that, depending on what updates your phone has had already.

Ok
It had 60 percent battery cap update forced to me overnight last year but I flashed that with older firmware so it went back to 100 percent, I also installed old 6.3 package disabler and blocked all programs mentioned on forum.
Is there anything else would you advice to do additionally?
M.
Thanks

xxxMJTxxx said:
Ok
It had 60 percent battery cap update forced to me overnight last year but I flashed that with older firmware so it went back to 100 percent, I also installed old 6.3 package disabler and blocked all programs mentioned on forum.
Is there anything else would you advice to do additionally?
M.
Thanks
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I'm no expert mate, but I think you are good to go. You could try No Root Firewall as well I guess, but I haven't bothered. I have decided not to take ANY Samsung updates though - even for things like Smart Switch and Samsung Health etc - just in case the crafty barstards decide to hide something nasty in their apps.
They've been utter sheets about this whole thing. They have TOTALLY forgotten that they DO NOT own MY phone! It is MINE, not THEIRS!

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I'm no expert mate, but I think you are good to go. You could try No Root Firewall as well I guess, but I haven't bothered. I have decided not to take ANY Samsung updates though - even for things like Smart Switch and Samsung Health etc - just in case the crafty barstards decide to hide something nasty in their apps.
They've been utter sheets about this whole thing. They have TOTALLY forgotten that they DO NOT own MY phone! It is MINE, not THEIRS!
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Ha Ha I thought so!
I have no root firewall but not sure how to set it up being honest
I had Samsung Billing pushed to me few days ago but for some reason I cannot find it under applications in my mobile so I hope Evil Sam is not hidden there waiting to reactivate.
So really we will see after 31st what is going to happen, I really would hate to go back to Note 3 I still have, however it was also good mobile for few years back ago.
How many people still are using/own N7 in UK you reckon?
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How many people still are using/own N7 in UK you reckon?
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Honestly, I have no clue, but I guess it must be quite a few. They wouldn't be going to the trouble of writing software updates for just a handful of phones would they!
I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones? For some clever people, they have behaved like they have the brains of goldfish.

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Honestly, I have no clue, but I guess it must be quite a few. They wouldn't be going to the trouble of writing software updates for just a handful of phones would they!
I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones? For some clever people, they have behaved like they have the brains of goldfish.
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the same update is world wide, altering it for different countries is a minor point as the majority of the changes comes in the form of the bands and network support, if they are removing all network support all they need is something that works on the exynos hardware, also the UK phones are the international phones so they are actually used across a load of countries so it is probably a large portion of the world covered by the same update as the UK.
also as I said there is little need for the networks to do their modifications since they all come in the form of network support that has been removed in this update.

No matter what it's going to be a nightmare. I wouldn't expect it to be as simple as walking into your carrier's store and swapping out for s8 - even though I do remember someone over at Samsung saying there was going to be a discount on "the next big thing". I'm in San Jose so Im going to HQ with mine, f em.

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I wonder why on earth they didn't actually stop to think WHY people are not returning their phones?
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They're probably paranoid about being sued on the off chance someone else's phone blows up. It would be bad press if it happens again, probably followed by ignorant people saying that Samsung should have tried harder to stop it, etc etc, because some people have probably missed the whole thing till now and haven't noticed anything. Plus, Samsung wants to be able to say 100% recalled and returned.
FYI I don't own this device, just trying to answer this question. Maybe all of you who have it should put "Proud owner of the Note 7. Take that Samsung" or something in your sigs lol. It would be kinda funny to see.
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in my country, Mexico, there have not been, any sort of batt capping updates, or any threatening messages about anything! as no burning reports here, the consumer bureau has not issued any order or authorization on the matter, here would be unlawful to capp or restrict the use of a legally owned device, so, all very cool over here

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Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.

BarryH_GEG said:
Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.
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All doesnt matter and all goes against the law, just risk of hazard makes them liable indefinitely until its back at their possession and no harm caused during the time.
Im no fain hearted and I dont own 7 figure bank account but I know its not a rocket science to bring giant companies such as apple or samsung to their knees, again, its not for faint hearted, I was talking from a legal stand point.
Darkness and high-cliff edge walking heights are usually appearing dangerous things for most, until they're certain and know there is nothing dangerous/hazardous in the dark and walking the cliff edge not without protections and precautions, metaphorically speaking.
Take a case where mobile phone gets on fire and one or many people suffers fatal consequences, days, months or even years from now, and investigators dig up samsung note7, who they gonna blame? Who has the case against who? Looking from even early state all cards are against samsung where there disaster happens or not samsung should be waist deep to do whatever necessary to sort their clients out. And yes they can try to attempt "write their own laws" warning consumers, threatening with return closing deadlines, refusing to take back dangerous devices back in, blocking devices, etc its their cards their game against everyone, not that they are more than the majority, I call it one against all and no matter how much money they are worth, it can take just few big cases and they will soon realize what wrong turn things can take, not that they would be willing to take such risks when and if case is brought to the round table.
Heck, even a 3 year ago my 10+ year Honda got a safety recall letter warning about potentially defective airbag systems and all was replaced at surprisingly my convenience cost free, even the car was bought second hand and I am probably 3rd or 4th owner of that vehicle, auto manufacturers know about how this game be played out i suppose, has been in this game before or seen it happen, consequences are clear to them if potential event take place, they would not only put someone deep in dirt, they would be there themselves as a consequence, so they took no risks, and I was pleasantly surprised at the same too how much forthcoming they were to sort this out, and note - this is 10+ year old product, not much different case to the one were talking about here, and I believe if they went this far with thing such as this, how much further they would have taken things if they would have found out that these vehicle models would have been a hazardous risk of fire and explosion while driving, parked at house garage etc? Go beat this statement

BarryH_GEG said:
Samsung can do anything they want. If you think whatever that is violates a law or your rights as a consumer its up to you and/or whatever governmental agency is involved to get them to do something different. That could take months. Many months. In the meantime you'll be stuck living with whatever decision they make - whether it's "legal" or not. Fighting multi-billion dollar conglomerates isn't for the feint of heart.
Sadly there are people who've tried to do the right thing that are stuck in Samsung's matrix and no law or governmental agency has rescued them. I can't imagine said agency's will feel a lot of sympathy for people who've held on to a phone declared potentially dangerous by its manufacturer for the length of time being discussed here. "I kept my potentially dangerous phone because I didn't like any of the alternatives" or "I was waiting for the Galaxy S8 to come out" seem like pretty self-serving reasons not to take advantage of all the remedies (including a full refund) Samsung provided. This isn't black and white and certainly not a typical "fit for purpose" issue.
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I reckon you work for Samsung. You must do, or you would have quit your tiresome campaign by now.
And as for "Samsung can do what they like", well let's see how successful they are on Tuesday shall we?
I'll post my update from my unrooted Note7 on Wednesday.

Chippy_boy said:
I reckon you work for Samsung. You must do, or you would have quit your tiresome campaign by now.
And as for "Samsung can do what they like", well let's see how successful they are on Tuesday shall we?
I'll post my update from my unrooted Note7 on Wednesday.
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I've unrooted Note7 also, dont want to touch any mods yet until its definitely necessary

Mr.Ultimate said:
Im no fain hearted and I dont own 7 figure bank account but I know its not a rocket science to bring giant companies such as apple or samsung to their knees
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Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/

While I'd love to see Samsung getting screwed right back, I can't imagine there won't be a final return date of some sort and them actually exchanging the phone for the new models. They just sound too cheap for that

BarryH_GEG said:
Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
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Im not going to talk much, but that's not even serious case and analogy is just wrong. Compare this - buying matchbox to light the fire place at home but these matchboxes keep exploding and potentially setting itself on fire on random times (case #1) vs. match box that doesnt have 100% of the content or doesnt light up/doesnt burn every time you strike it (case #2).
Yes, its no brainer about law diminishing returns, if you dont have serious case and intelligent sought trough evidence, plan put together that will be serving to the finish line, and all , dreamland ego and being naive left behind - there is no chance to expect something good coming out of it.
We're talking about life threatening hazardous product here.
Have a great day.

BarryH_GEG said:
Read this. The poor sod has been fighting Samsung since 2015 over his SGS4. At the end of the day you have to put a value on your time. The amount of time you'd have to spend even with legal assistance is probably worth more than what you spent on your Note7. The time some here have spent fighting the fighting noose is probably worth half the cost of their phone.
I'm all for principle but there's also the law of diminishing returns. Life's too short to intentionally seek out battles. At least for me. If I'm going to invest heap loads of my time that could be spent doing other more entertaining and productive things it wouldn't be over a mobile phone. It would be for something far more noble.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/20/samsung-cant-use-in-box-warranty-to-kill-galaxy-s4-lawsuit/
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Barry, my plan is to take my Note7 back to Samsung when I am ready (and not before) and ask for my money back, which I am very sure they will agree to, since they are obviously so very keen to get it back.
If in the monumentally unlikely event they say, "no, we'd like you to keep it please" (you're not REALLY suggesting that are you???!?) then I can file a small claim online in 20 minutes. It's a total no-brainer.
Sorry to disappoint you.