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Looks like we are one step closer to marshmallow. The T-Mobile website now shows the phone in T-Mobile testing phase.
Update: Download some marshmallows now.
Taking them way too long. Verizon already is pushing out Marshmallow for the Note. They are usually the last carrier. I'm disappointed with development from this phone.
you sure about that? to me it still shows that it is under manufacturer development
Maybe we'll see it in April
Telus may rollout Marshmallow at March 30th for s6 edge. what about t-mobile
I believe tmobile has always been the slowest in releasing updates. ..don't be surprised either April or May timeframe
I couldn't help it. I used JUMP to get the S7 Edge. In Reality it's exactly what I wanted the S6 Edge to be. I really have zero complaints about the S6 Edge. I'll miss seeing how it handles marshmallow. I think it'll fit it well.
Can't blame you. ..I'm thinking of upgrading myself. ..this update is taking to long
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Looks like we are one step closer to marshmallow. The T-Mobile website now shows the phone in T-Mobile testing phase.
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Actually if you click on the phone it shows that it's still in manufacturer development.
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Well, Sprint just beat TMobile to marshmallow.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...eir-android-marshmallow-over-the-air-updates/
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Well, Sprint just beat TMobile to marshmallow.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...eir-android-marshmallow-over-the-air-updates/
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It is kind of hilarious we are now reading Android N developer preview stuff, seeing lowly Sprint rolling out updates to M and we are reading that it's still in a development phase as far as TMobile goes. I not one that thinks M is going to be that great we absolutely need to have it Android. I'm more disappointed I have been a long time Tmobile customer, and going from my first Android, my beloved Nexus One that was put at by Google at the time, to switching over to Samsung and basically being the good little follower/updater of every TOL device they put out prior to my current S6Edge which I obtained on the first day of availability last April 2015 and my wifes Note5 I recently updated her to from her Note 3. TMobile used to be known as the leader of the pack supporting their USA customer base.
Lastly, in the past up thru the latest 5.1.1 updates, it was really easy to flash an International version, use a Kerenel that played happy with TMobile hardware, and occasionally requiring an additional flash of a file to fix call audio issues and we all were golden. I'm guessing that once a TMobile supported Android M Bootloader is available, we can then happily start flashing away the many International Android M ROMs already being posted on those Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S6 Edge sites.
I could be wrong on that, but I really thing once we have a bootloader posted we can all go back to complaining about this or that specific ROM issues, instead of pounding the web sites for Tmobile to get it's act in gear. Really....Sprint ahead of Tmobile....scratching my head
Sprint rolls out their updates first when business is mediocre.
Still waiting for M. This is why I dont buy Tmo S7.
Im start hate samsung, so many versions for the same cellphone or watch, I never want say this but with iphone dont happen thinks like that..
Well, finally it's showing on T-Mobile's page that it is in testing phase.
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There's a petition gng around to release MM for all S6/S6 edge devices so maybe that help...
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Here's the petition on Samsung's software update policy for those who are tired of it. I request you all to please sign it, so we can raise our voice. After signing, don't forget to SHARE it.
Samsung Mobile : Software update policy of Shamesung - Sign the Petition!
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-mo...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=whatsapp
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I know what you mean fabioplata, that's why I went to nexus 6p. Let me tell you that the grass is most definitely greener on this side.
And yes Alex9090 seems like I made a mistake when I started this thread, maybe my excitement got to me. But its in T-Mobile Testing phase now.
KingP1n I don't see Samsung changing their ways anytime soon. They are trying to use touchwiz in a way to make money from it. But the end result is always the same it takes too many resources away from the base OS and the whole experience feels like riding on the short bus.
This is my last Sammie phone anyway... I've been pretty disappointed in it and should have waited to buy it - always out to be the early adopter.. i need to knock that crap off..
Having to wait for hell to freeze over before getting the update just hammers it all home...
The worst part is that this will most likely be the last update this phone will get.
Imagine next year we will be where S5 owners are now last to get if ever get Android N
The worst part is that this will most likely be the last update this phone will get.
Imagine next year we will be where S5 owners are now last to get if ever get Android N.
I bought the Note 7 last week and received it Tuesday and after going through the settings etc noticed that some things are missing or is completely different on Verizon's version of the note 7. I was able to get the Samsung cloud back but is there anyway to get the maintenance section back for Ram management?
There is a great thread about that. Do some looking around a you should get all the info you need.
Can i please get some advice? (sorry a bit long but thought i need to provide the background info).
I have been given a Samsung Note 7 as a compensation-related gift by my network operator Vodafone and to cut a very long story short i have almost exhausted all possibilities with Vodafone and Samsung to get it exchanged for a different model or a credit.
I am currently looking at the possibilities of keeping my Note 7 if i feel i can assess (and possibly repair) it privately to confirm the safety implications and any other issues that may come up.
My questions are as follows:
1. Has anyone had success changing the Imei and model number? The reason is to protect myself from network barring and to retain app support. I have a previous Note and can use the imei. My plan was to change the model to G935F that of an S7 Edge. (There are some sites i came across but I wasn’t sure the guides were tested)
2. Can i root it and will i be able to update it regularly from core android?
3. Will the Wifi-calling feature work? Sounds like a small thing but its quite important. I have this feature on my Note 7 already and activated on my account and its very useful to me.
I live in the UK and I am an Engineer by trade. I worked for a cellular phone repair centre a number of years ago that specialised with Samsung and Nokia phones.
Whilst i have some experience and contacts in the industry, my knowledge of the current software/ firmware platforms on the market is limited so i would greatly appreciate any advice you can give.
Thanks in advance
not too sure about how you would transplant the hardcoded iemi number mate... are uk note 7s actually confirmed being banned?
You can root it and from that you can add features from the xposed library that will surely extend the life of your note 7 for years.. by which time the note 8 should be out in some form.
I read on maybe this site, or another, that someone had their Note 7 thinking it was the S7 yet still fully functioning as a Note 7 (Grace UI, etc)
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not too sure about how you would transplant the hardcoded iemi number mate... are uk note 7s actually confirmed being banned?
You can root it and from that you can add features from the xposed library that will surely extend the life of your note 7 for years.. by which time the note 8 should be out in some form.
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Thanks for info. I'm not sure if they will fully inforce a ban but the procedure for returning the n7's is pretty much the same, minus the fire proof boxes (read into that what you like). I want to see what needs to be put in place if they do.
Any idiots guide for rooting and where to download files would be appreciated.
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I read on maybe this site, or another, that someone had their Note 7 thinking it was the S7 yet still fully functioning as a Note 7 (Grace UI, etc)
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If you do that would be great.
I'm trying to stoke up some support in the uk to appeal to Samsung to at least reassess the n7's already out there but there's only a few interested. I believe there is more support in the US which may provide a much stronger case.
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If you do that would be great.
I'm trying to stoke up some support in the uk to appeal to Samsung to at least reassess the n7's already out there but there's only a few interested. I believe there is more support in the US which may provide a much stronger case.
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The official release date in the UK for the Note 7 was next week, October 28th, which ironically was the same date as the Note 2 release, Note Edge release and Galaxy View release, just different years.
Call me crazy, I recognize a pattern here.
I am a serious Note user, so instead of following the crowd I will either consider the LARGE 18.4" Galaxy View or the 6" Curved Screen Huawei Mate 9. Hmmm, Mate, Note?
For some strange reason there aren't many Samsung Stylus Devices available, can't find the Note Pro 12.2 on sale anywhere. Something is definitely up. All I know is I feel sorry for those Pixel, iPhone 7, V20 blinded sheeple.
What's their reason for refusing to exchange?
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What's their reason for refusing to exchange?
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Samsung can't help because I didn't buy it direct and Vodafone said it was giving to me as a gift and not linked to my account so I need to deal with Samsung. I know this sounds ludicrous but Vodafone are a nightmare and I was ready to book myself into rehab after the effects of previous issues. I could take this up with an ombudsman but it takes time and I'm not sure I have the energy.
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Samsung can't help because I didn't buy it direct and Vodafone said it was giving to me as a gift and not linked to my account so I need to deal with Samsung. I know this sounds ludicrous but Vodafone are a nightmare and I was ready to book myself into rehab after the effects of previous issues. I could take this up with an ombudsman but it takes time and I'm not sure I have the energy.
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The recall is voluntary. Do not believe those people who say your IMEI will be blocked or barred. It will only be blocked if the phone was purchased in a payment plan and You fail to return it. Or if You fail to keep the payments. The recall is absolutely VOLUNTARY. Do not be afraid. Many of us are keeping the phone, because we know the risk is now minimal.
All electronics have the possibility to fail. All batteries have the risk of catching fires. This risk is a lot greater when the device begins their lifecycle. So now the risk is minimal. Samsung did not take "probability" into consideration before sending those replacement phones. Meaning if you had 50 in 2 million to catch fire with the original. Now you had 50+30* of catching fire in the replacement. (*More o Less)
Samsung has a great opportunity to collect data and usage information with us. Otherwise if people panic they will just scrap the Note Series all together.
Good Luck! ?
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In short: No you can't change your IMEI, but that is not needed. If you don't want Samsung to directly know that your device is a Note 7, you need to change your device name in build.prop (but to do this you need root) and to deactivate software updates.
But I recommend you to not use the device. Samsung may not release any software updates, and the risk of exploding is still there. Even if the risk is very small, it can happen at any time, and the more time you spend with this device, the bigger is the risk.
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In short: No you can't change your IMEI, but that is not needed. If you don't want Samsung to directly know that your device is a Note 7, you need to change your device name in build.prop (but to do this you need root) and to deactivate software updates.
But I recommend you to not use the device. Samsung may not release any software updates, and the risk of exploding is still there. Even if the risk is very small, it can happen at any time, and the more time you spend with this device, the bigger is the risk.
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Thanks for your reply SaschaHa. I am just weighing up my options while waiting for a reply from Samsung hq. If i was use it I would be after I had assessed it internally.
Although Samsung wont provide updates will I be able to semi - regularly update it manually from stock? Eg nougat 7 was originally in the pipeline for the n7.
Also would wifi - calling get carried over/ integrated in the build?
CerveCesar said:
The recall is voluntary. Do not believe those people who say your IMEI will be blocked or barred. It will only be blocked if the phone was purchased in a payment plan and You fail to return it. Or if You fail to keep the payments. The recall is absolutely VOLUNTARY. Do not be afraid. Many of us are keeping the phone, because we know the risk is now minimal.
All electronics have the possibility to fail. All batteries have the risk of catching fires. This risk is a lot greater when the device begins their lifecycle. So now the risk is minimal. Samsung did not take "probability" into consideration before sending those replacement phones. Meaning if you had 50 in 2 million to catch fire with the original. Now you had 50+30* of catching fire in the replacement. (*More o Less)
Samsung has a great opportunity to collect data and usage information with us. Otherwise if people panic they will just scrap the Note Series all together.
Good Luck! ?
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Thanks CerveCesar for your advice. How will you be upgrading your roms ie to nougat 7 etc?
ccsuk said:
Thanks for your reply SaschaHa. I am just weighing up my options while waiting for a reply from Samsung hq. If i was use it I would be after I had assessed it internally.
Although Samsung wont provide updates will I be able to semi - regularly update it manually from stock? Eg nougat 7 was originally in the pipeline for the n7.
Also would wifi - calling get carried over/ integrated in the build?
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You only can update it manually if some rom developers port firmwares from other Samsung devices to the Note 7 (if Samsung doesn't release updates). But that mostly is only possible for the same Android version, so there might never be a Nougat rom for Note 7. So then the only possibility to get a newer Android version is to use a AOSP / CM(14) based rom, if a developer created one for the Note 7. But without proper drivers by Samsung, that's difficult. And I think, the most developers are going to use other devices instead of risking a burning N7.
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Thanks CerveCesar for your advice. How will you be upgrading your roms ie to nougat 7 etc?
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I'm staying factory. I did not disable the 80% battery option because we ran a study and found overcharging to be 1 of 3 factors in starting fires. If Samsung sends the Nougat update, then I will just update. The customs ROMs I'm not a big fan of, because it seem one always looses some cool feature like heart monitor, Samsung Pay or scanner. I got a Note 3 that I plan to use as my flying phone and my Note 7 will be my daily driver
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I'm staying factory. I did not disable the 80% battery option because we ran a study and found overcharging to be 1 of 3 factors in starting fires. If Samsung sends the Nougat update, then I will just update. The customs ROMs I'm not a big fan of, because it seem one always looses some cool feature like heart monitor, Samsung Pay or scanner. I got a Note 3 that I plan to use as my flying phone and my Note 7 will be my daily driver
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Do you mean 60% battery limitation update? Fyi I spoke with a samsung rep today that had called into one of the stores, he believes there is a kill type update coming to force customers hands. I have the 1st addition (non batt update) so if I was to keep it I would have to root. As mentioned wifi calling is also an issue. Samsungs got a lot to answer for ditching such a great device and one that can be repaired
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Do you mean 60% battery limitation update? Fyi I spoke with a samsung rep today that had called into one of the stores, he believes there is a kill type update coming to force customers hands. I have the 1st addition (non batt update) so if I was to keep it I would have to root. As mentioned wifi calling is also an issue. Samsungs got a lot to answer for ditching such a great device and one that can be repaired
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Unless they have a Sprint Note 7 60% otherwise you can bump up to 80% charge. I recommend you get advise from an Engineer rather than a Sales Rep
I no longer have the pictures but click:
1.- Settings
2.- Device Maintenance
3.- Battery Icon
4.- Advanced Settings Menu
5.- Disable the "Limit maximum charge to 60%" tab
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ccsuk said:
Samsung can't help because I didn't buy it direct and Vodafone said it was giving to me as a gift and not linked to my account so I need to deal with Samsung. I know this sounds ludicrous but Vodafone are a nightmare and I was ready to book myself into rehab after the effects of previous issues. I could take this up with an ombudsman but it takes time and I'm not sure I have the energy.
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CerveCesar said:
The recall is voluntary. Do not believe those people who say your IMEI will be blocked or barred. It will only be blocked if the phone was purchased in a payment plan and You fail to return it. Or if You fail to keep the payments. The recall is absolutely VOLUNTARY. Do not be afraid. Many of us are keeping the phone, because we know the risk is now minimal.
All electronics have the possibility to fail. All batteries have the risk of catching fires. This risk is a lot greater when the device begins their lifecycle. So now the risk is minimal. Samsung did not take "probability" into consideration before sending those replacement phones. Meaning if you had 50 in 2 million to catch fire with the original. Now you had 50+30* of catching fire in the replacement. (*More o Less)
Samsung has a great opportunity to collect data and usage information with us. Otherwise if people panic they will just scrap the Note Series all together.
Good Luck! ?
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I just want to be clear about something. You guys are from the UK, yes?
Is the recall not the same as the US or elsewhere where the recall is mandatory and not voluntary?
BozQ said:
I just want to be clear about something. You guys are from the UK, yes?
Is the recall not the same as the US or elsewhere where the recall is mandatory and not voluntary?
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I'm not from the UK however I did purchase the Singapore (Same as UK) version and I'm using it on ATT Mexico.
Please refer to the Voluntary recall at: http://www.samsung.com/us/note7recall/
As of today the recall is only mandatory in Germany. Note 7 is banned on all flights in the US and part of Mexico. The mandatory recall will take time as the Consumer Product Safety Commission has to run a full investigation on the matter
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BozQ said:
I just want to be clear about something. You guys are from the UK, yes?
Is the recall not the same as the US or elsewhere where the recall is mandatory and not voluntary?
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I am
CerveCesar said:
I'm not from the UK however I did purchase the Singapore (Same as UK) version and I'm using it on ATT Mexico.
Please refer to the Voluntary recall at: http://www.samsung.com/us/note7recall/
As of today the recall is only mandatory in Germany. Note 7 is banned on all flights in the US and part of Mexico. The mandatory recall will take time as the Consumer Product Safety Commission has to run a full investigation on the matter
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Hello from Singapore then.
I suppose you're keeping your unit then.
Hello,
I am new here. I heard about this from the IT personnel at my work. I am hoping someone here can help me. Obviously by my heading ... I have a Galaxy Note 7 and I do not want to turn it in. I have had no issues with it and do not have any other phones I want to get until May when the Note 8 is suppose to come out. What I am looking for is if there is some way around the system updates. I saw that someone had a set up that worked with the older Note series, but nothing that I can find that has been used on the Note 7. If there is, please let me know and if possible, I may need a little guidance thru it. Thank you.
mjrpaine said:
Hello,
I am new here. I heard about this from the IT personnel at my work. I am hoping someone here can help me. Obviously by my heading ... I have a Galaxy Note 7 and I do not want to turn it in. I have had no issues with it and do not have any other phones I want to get until May when the Note 8 is suppose to come out. What I am looking for is if there is some way around the system updates. I saw that someone had a set up that worked with the older Note series, but nothing that I can find that has been used on the Note 7. If there is, please let me know and if possible, I may need a little guidance thru it. Thank you.
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Welcome on xda!
It's a better way to ask your question in the device specific forum. Just search for the note 7. There are the people with the same phone (and probably the same question). So I think the chance of getting an answer is there higher...
Regards
Gaukler Faun
mjrpaine said:
Hello,
I am new here. I heard about this from the IT personnel at my work. I am hoping someone here can help me. Obviously by my heading ... I have a Galaxy Note 7 and I do not want to turn it in. I have had no issues with it and do not have any other phones I want to get until May when the Note 8 is suppose to come out. What I am looking for is if there is some way around the system updates. I saw that someone had a set up that worked with the older Note series, but nothing that I can find that has been used on the Note 7. If there is, please let me know and if possible, I may need a little guidance thru it. Thank you.
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I am not a user of note 7 but I had read about the problem with battery. They said that is not to much space around the battery and for this explode. So I think that you have to return it immediately because it is serious problem and if you don't return it 1 day you will face it.
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mjrpaine said:
Hello,
I am new here. I heard about this from the IT personnel at my work. I am hoping someone here can help me. Obviously by my heading ... I have a Galaxy Note 7 and I do not want to turn it in. I have had no issues with it and do not have any other phones I want to get until May when the Note 8 is suppose to come out. What I am looking for is if there is some way around the system updates. I saw that someone had a set up that worked with the older Note series, but nothing that I can find that has been used on the Note 7. If there is, please let me know and if possible, I may need a little guidance thru it. Thank you.
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I am a part of a group that can help with battery issues amd we just released an app to block updates.
mjrpaine said:
Hello,
I am new here. I heard about this from the IT personnel at my work. I am hoping someone here can help me. Obviously by my heading ... I have a Galaxy Note 7 and I do not want to turn it in. I have had no issues with it and do not have any other phones I want to get until May when the Note 8 is suppose to come out. What I am looking for is if there is some way around the system updates. I saw that someone had a set up that worked with the older Note series, but nothing that I can find that has been used on the Note 7. If there is, please let me know and if possible, I may need a little guidance thru it. Thank you.
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dude seriously its not worth it the note 8 will be coming real soon . risking your life and your loved ones for a few days of ocd heaven is not worth it
Samhith mSrivatsa said:
dude seriously its not worth it the note 8 will be coming real soon . risking your life and your loved ones for a few days of ocd heaven is not worth it
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The note 8 doesn't come out until at least May. I don't have another phone to use until then (since they took my old phone when I got this and they cant get my phone back) and I am not locking into another phone and not being able to get the note 8.
Note 7 has a battery issue which caused some units to explode. You should return the device to samsung and get a refund. Because this phone is discontinued and Samsung disabling all the remaining note 7 units. You can't carry a note 7 in flights also. Get a refund or get any other samsung device. Almost 90%+ units are returned. Be safe and return the device.
nikhil007.n2 said:
Note 7 has a battery issue which caused some units to explode. You should return the device to samsung and get a refund. Because this phone is discontinued and Samsung disabling all the remaining note 7 units. You can't carry a note 7 in flights also. Get a refund or get any other samsung device. Almost 90%+ units are returned. Be safe and return the device.
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I know the issues. I also know it was a small percentage that did meltdown. I know I can't take it on a flight ... and I haven't been on a plane in over 4 years ... so I'm not worried about that. Samsung has also stated it is over 93% that has been returned.
As I stated, I am not looking for anyones input to turn in my device. I am keeping it until it either doesn't work, melts down, or the note 8 comes out. I am not putting myself into a 2 year payment on a phone I dont want. I dont have a ohone to use since they took my note 5 in exchange. So that's the end of that discussion.
Again, it's not worth it, you should return the phone and get the refund, believe me, someday you'll regret it if you don't.
I received the help I needed. This can be locked. Thank you.
mjrpaine said:
The note 8 doesn't come out until at least May. I don't have another phone to use until then (since they took my old phone when I got this and they cant get my phone back) and I am not locking into another phone and not being able to get the note 8.
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if you really like the note then get a note 5 there are a ton of roms here that port every single feature if you like a curved display get an s7edge both are great phones or
This morning I got a message from Verizon advertising two new (to Verizon anyway) models, a LG k20(no misprint) and a Samsung galaxy j7 (wtf are these things lol) they are actually economy models of both manufacturers which really isn't important. What is important is both boasted nougat api. I'm wondering if it would be possible to get tw nougat port for the note 4 . if its being launched on there 99$ phone it must be out for the flagships.
Supposedly there's a rumor of a nougat update in the works for the note 4. Whether it's just a test build and if it'll ever see the light of day is up for speculation, but we might get lucky and get our hands on a leak. The note 5 is set to receive nougat though so that's probably our best bet for a TW nougat option.
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Supposedly there's a rumor of a nougat update in the works for the note 4. Whether it's just a test build and if it'll ever see the light of day is up for speculation, but we might get lucky and get our hands on a leak. The note 5 is set to receive nougat though so that's probably our best bet for a TW nougat option.
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I hope you're right and just based on the fact that they had to recall the Note 7, I hope they'd throw us a bone and develop 7.1/7.1.2 for us I could understand if they didn't go further than THAT (i.e. Android 8). I mean, us Note 4 users didn't have any real update options for current year models on the Galaxy Note line when our 2 years was up. I wonder if somehow getting a petition going would help at all, but who knows how many Note 4's are still out there in use. My mom also has one, I've got at least one coworker that had one, I'm not sure if she still does or not.
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I hope you're right and just based on the fact that they had to recall the Note 7, I hope they'd throw us a bone and develop 7.1/7.1.2 for us I could understand if they didn't go further than THAT (i.e. Android 8). I mean, us Note 4 users didn't have any real update options for current year models on the Galaxy Note line when our 2 years was up. I wonder if somehow getting a petition going would help at all, but who knows how many Note 4's are still out there in use. My mom also has one, I've got at least one coworker that had one, I'm not sure if she still does or not.
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We may also have hope with ported S7 nougat ROMs as well.
I doubt a petition would do much good though, Samsung would look at it and go "lol, cute". I agree that we should at least get nougat though. I work at a VZW dealer and I still see a decent amount of Note 4s in use, so it's by no means a dead device. I tend to sort of 'bond' with the N4 users that come into my store and even though I'm obligated to try to get them to upgrade, they always say stuff like "I don't want a new phone, there's nothing out there that does everything this one does!". Makes me happy every time