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I've been using the Nexus 5 as a developer test phone and the HTC M8 as my main phone, and now that the M8 is getting long in the tooth, I bought the HTC 10 a week ago, but the scroll stuttering and jitteriness and jankiness is far more apparent (even with transition animations).
Every SD 82x phone I tried in the stores had the same issues, though the LG G5, Moto Z, and Pixel were not as bad (in that order). Surprisingly the Galaxy S7 had the most jankiness.
Now that I have a Nexus 4, 5, M8, M9 (which I'm also testing), and 10 side-by-side, the smoothness is apparent in the 4, 5, M8, and M9, and the lag is apparent in the 10. I can't say it's just my specific phone because it's behaving exactly the same way I saw the demo models of it and the other SD 82x phones behave (minus the three better-performing ones I mentioned above).
Can someone explain this? I've tried everything I can think of to fix it, including clearing app/OS/Dalvik/etc cache, rebooting, wiping, etc... while I don't want to go back to an old phone, I'm just not impressed with the 82x phones and the Pixel is unavailable and the Moto Z & G5 may have too many inconvenient features for me (I'm on Verizon so I'm a bit limited on selection and I'm not sure a custom ROM overall makes my life easier).
Has anyone done any conclusive tests on this jankiness between the 80x/82x phones? I can make a video but it will take me awhile; I'd rather find an app to show the difference, or maybe I can record the screens through Android Studio though I haven't used it in a while.
I have the Z3 (SD801) and the 10 (SD820), i see exactly the opposite of what you are refering. Maybe a video can help to understand what are you refering.
dhinged said:
I've been using the Nexus 5 as a developer test phone and the HTC M8 as my main phone, and now that the M8 is getting long in the tooth, I bought the HTC 10 a week ago, but the scroll stuttering and jitteriness and jankiness is far more apparent (even with transition animations).
Every SD 82x phone I tried in the stores had the same issues, though the LG G5, Moto Z, and Pixel were not as bad (in that order). Surprisingly the Galaxy S7 had the most jankiness.
Now that I have a Nexus 4, 5, M8, M9 (which I'm also testing), and 10 side-by-side, the smoothness is apparent in the 4, 5, M8, and M9, and the lag is apparent in the 10. I can't say it's just my specific phone because it's behaving exactly the same way I saw the demo models of it and the other SD 82x phones behave (minus the three better-performing ones I mentioned above).
Can someone explain this? I've tried everything I can think of to fix it, including clearing app/OS/Dalvik/etc cache, rebooting, wiping, etc... while I don't want to go back to an old phone, I'm just not impressed with the 82x phones and the Pixel is unavailable and the Moto Z & G5 may have too many inconvenient features for me (I'm on Verizon so I'm a bit limited on selection and I'm not sure a custom ROM overall makes my life easier).
Has anyone done any conclusive tests on this jankiness between the 80x/82x phones? I can make a video but it will take me awhile; I'd rather find an app to show the difference, or maybe I can record the screens through Android Studio though I haven't used it in a while.
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You have a verizon phone?
On my Verizon 10 I've used VZW marshmallow, U.S Unlocked marshmallow, and Unlocked Nougat software. VZW mm was definitely not as smooth as unlocked mm, and gets completely blown out of the water by unlocked nougat.
The 10 is one of the consistently smoothest android devices I've ever used. Sure there is the odd hiccup here and there, but nothing like what you're experiencing so I'm inclined to say it's software related.
My guess is that what you are seeing is described in this article, which also explains how to make the problem visible to everyone: https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.xda...vers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/amp/
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You have a verizon phone?
On my Verizon 10 I've used VZW marshmallow, U.S Unlocked marshmallow, and Unlocked Nougat software. VZW mm was definitely not as smooth as unlocked mm, and gets completely blown out of the water by unlocked nougat.
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Interesting; I wonder what's going on under the hood of the VZW phones that we can't detect? I've already disabled as many VZW as I could when I got the phone, and when I look at CPU-Z or GeekBench, everything seems to look fine... is there some way to find out what's going on? Like which exact [system] apps are drawing more power or CPU or RAM? Maybe there's a tweak under the hood that's inefficient, or VZW is tracking more info than it should.
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The 10 is one of the consistently smoothest android devices I've ever used. Sure there is the odd hiccup here and there, but nothing like what you're experiencing so I'm inclined to say it's software related.
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The Nexus 5 is the smoothest Android phone I've ever used, very close to iPhone quality (at least before Steve Jobs died). I'm not sure how to verify that the HTC 10 is as smooth as you describe, I haven't found any videos that reflect that, though I haven't checked T-Mobile or AT&T or Spring stores.
What contradicts it being VZW is how smooth the LG G6 and Moto Z runs... the latter about Nexus 5 quality, the former almost that.
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My guess is that what you are seeing is described in this article, which also explains how to make the problem visible to everyone: https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.xda...vers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/amp/
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I tried the GPU Profiler, which is interesting, but seems buggy on this phone, as it froze some bars on the screen whenever I activated it (EDIT: I discovered this was due to Twilight running), and Chrome completely obscures it for some reason (the #1 app I use that I'm having the jank with). One odd thing I noticed while scrolling was that the frame rate would be mostly fine in settings, but when it hit the end/beginning of the list and after my finger was off the screen and the animation stopped, a bunch of new red bars would spike after the screen was doing nothing... very strange it would try to redraw redundant screens for another second but do it terribly too.
It would be nice to figure out what apps/functions are causing the spikes. Let me know what else you've tried or I should try that probably won't break the phone.
So I'll go play with some phones, exchange this one for a Moto Z, and maybe run the profiler on some other comparable phones.
Not being dismissive but I do not have this issue and nor have I had on any HTC phone since the evo 3d which was pants.
The 10 is silky smooth..I do use the pixel launcher but even with the sense lts been fine.
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My guess is that what you are seeing is described in this article, which also explains how to make the problem visible to everyone: https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.xda...vers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/amp/
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Not being dismissive but I do not have this issue and nor have I had on any HTC phone since the evo 3d which was pants.
The 10 is silky smooth..I do use the pixel launcher but even with the sense lts been fine.
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I've noticed a surprising number of people don't notice jank (or frame rate issues) until they're pointed out, however I can't not notice them (and they're on every Android phone to varying degrees) as I expect the scrolling to behave consistently and when it's not it can drive me nuts because my eye or thumb go where the screen is expected to scroll to but then the content inconsistently goes there.
The easiest way to tell if your HTC 10 has jank is to go into Developer Options > Advanced, and enable "Profile GPU rendering", and if you're seeing a lot of vertical bars going above the horizontal bar (especially inconsistently or in huge blocks), that's where your jank is and will annoy most people; you can at least use that as an eye test for how well you notice jank (and I wish I didn't notice it).
Example: http://imgur.com/a/CzdOE
Testing the Nexus 5, Nexus 4, and Blackberry Priv (at Verizon), the Nexus 5 is *actually* buttery-smooth like 90+% of the time, the Nexus 4 has a lower average framerate but is still more smooth than any other Verizon phone I've owned, and the Priv hands down was the smoothest (with the highest consistent frame rate) even as shown by the GPU profiling bars (strange because it has a Snapdragon 808 and QHD), so I can't explain why some phones are better than others nor why the older processors seem to run better overall (an exception being the LG V20 at Sprint that ran beautifully with hardly any jank, though I didn't profile it).
What I'd like to know now is not which phones run better or not but what exactly is causing the jank; I've read that the profiler shows sub-60fps when a function takes longer than 16ms to process, so I'd like to know which functions in which classes in which apps are doing this, and I highly suspect Verizon (or maybe even Qualcomm) are inserting their own functions in what they considered their top flagships at the time to track usage or try to optimize performance their own way with the unintended (and apparently un-noticed) effect of reducing performance. There could be some issues with Qualcomm though I believe that's less likely.
If anyone knows how to capture these functions, please let me know, as I'll be looking into whether I can see Verizon's source code differences to see if they're doing what I think they're doing (otherwise there's something about their network CDMA/EVDO/LTE software and/or SIM card that's slowing things down).
Now that I have a HTC 10 in my possession (I did not when I previously replied to this topic), I must admit the jank you are seeing, to which I consider myself sensitive as well, is not there. I have it side by side with my Nexus 6 (which is very smooth) and the 10 is not any more 'janky' in places the Nexus is as well. I do have the international model without any carrier modifications, that will probably be in my favor as you mention. So overall, when it comes to performance of the UI and apps, I'm pleased. The Galaxy S7 Edge (exynos chipset) I have is so much worse, but on that device I do notice a positive difference when I start to tweak the kernel settings (change the governor and other such settings you should not have to worry about if the manufacturer did its job properly).
My problem with the HTC 10 is described in this thread, it regards a display refresh rate which I consider too low on the 10. Maybe you notice this as well?
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I've noticed a surprising number of people don't notice jank (or frame rate issues) until they're pointed out, however I can't not notice them (and they're on every Android phone to varying degrees) as I expect the scrolling to behave consistently and when it's not it can drive me nuts because my eye or thumb go where the screen is expected to scroll to but then the content inconsistently goes there.
The easiest way to tell if your HTC 10 has jank is to go into Developer Options > Advanced, and enable "Profile GPU rendering", and if you're seeing a lot of vertical bars going above the horizontal bar (especially inconsistently or in huge blocks), that's where your jank is and will annoy most people; you can at least use that as an eye test for how well you notice jank (and I wish I didn't notice it).
Example: http://imgur.com/a/CzdOE
Testing the Nexus 5, Nexus 4, and Blackberry Priv (at Verizon), the Nexus 5 is *actually* buttery-smooth like 90+% of the time, the Nexus 4 has a lower average framerate but is still more smooth than any other Verizon phone I've owned, and the Priv hands down was the smoothest (with the highest consistent frame rate) even as shown by the GPU profiling bars (strange because it has a Snapdragon 808 and QHD), so I can't explain why some phones are better than others nor why the older processors seem to run better overall (an exception being the LG V20 at Sprint that ran beautifully with hardly any jank, though I didn't profile it).
What I'd like to know now is not which phones run better or not but what exactly is causing the jank; I've read that the profiler shows sub-60fps when a function takes longer than 16ms to process, so I'd like to know which functions in which classes in which apps are doing this, and I highly suspect Verizon (or maybe even Qualcomm) are inserting their own functions in what they considered their top flagships at the time to track usage or try to optimize performance their own way with the unintended (and apparently un-noticed) effect of reducing performance. There could be some issues with Qualcomm though I believe that's less likely.
If anyone knows how to capture these functions, please let me know, as I'll be looking into whether I can see Verizon's source code differences to see if they're doing what I think they're doing (otherwise there's something about their network CDMA/EVDO/LTE software and/or SIM card that's slowing things down).
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I'm an avid overclocker on PC and a seasoned gamer, I tweak my system to get every single bit out of it, I can notice xfire jitter when most can't and can see drops in performance visually when usually a benchmarking tool is required, I'm not lying to you or trying to sound like you're going mental, there is obviously a problem present, I just don't have it.
Perhaps try my set up.
Vipers latest rom and the pixel launcher straight from Team Blackouts library, I have a very minimalistic phone with very little running so perhaps that too is a factor, I'm talking to social networking besides whatsapp and snapchat and they're disabled from startup until opened.
There could be many variables to take into consideration, a powersaver on the device could be the problem or simply heavy app load even from system and normal apps with no user interaction, it's a very subjective problem and seeing as others don't have it? I'd say it's not the device it's management of the system.
A clean install and a reboot, then allowed to settle with stock kernel would suffice to test to see if there is an issue with scrolling and jitter. I think until that's been done the debate will continue.
PS: Again not being funny or dismissive just my opinion.
dladz said:
I'm an avid overclocker on PC and a seasoned gamer, I tweak my system to get every single bit out of it, I can notice xfire jitter when most can't and can see drops in performance visually when usually a benchmarking tool is required, I'm not lying to you or trying to sound like you're going mental, there is obviously a problem present, I just don't have it.
Perhaps try my set up.
Vipers latest rom and the pixel launcher straight from Team Blackouts library, I have a very minimalistic phone with very little running so perhaps that too is a factor, I'm talking to social networking besides whatsapp and snapchat and they're disabled from startup until opened.
There could be many variables to take into consideration, a powersaver on the device could be the problem or simply heavy app load even from system and normal apps with no user interaction, it's a very subjective problem and seeing as others don't have it? I'd say it's not the device it's management of the system.
A clean install and a reboot, then allowed to settle with stock kernel would suffice to test to see if there is an issue with scrolling and jitter. I think until that's been done the debate will continue.
PS: Again not being funny or dismissive just my opinion.
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Verizon locks the bootloader so it's a calculated risk for me to root my phone... not sure it's worth it. A different/stock ROM may cause the phone to perform as well as any other, but I haven't seen any evidence of it.
I'm not sure if you've run the GPU Profiler, but that's an assured way to compare with other phones how the frame-rate consistency is.
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Now that I have a HTC 10 in my possession (I did not when I previously replied to this topic), I must admit the jank you are seeing, to which I consider myself sensitive as well, is not there. I have it side by side with my Nexus 6 (which is very smooth) and the 10 is not any more 'janky' in places the Nexus is as well. I do have the international model without any carrier modifications, that will probably be in my favor as you mention. So overall, when it comes to performance of the UI and apps, I'm pleased. The Galaxy S7 Edge (exynos chipset) I have is so much worse, but on that device I do notice a positive difference when I start to tweak the kernel settings (change the governor and other such settings you should not have to worry about if the manufacturer did its job properly).
My problem with the HTC 10 is described in this thread, it regards a display refresh rate which I consider too low on the 10. Maybe you notice this as well?
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Did you compare them with the GPU Profiler in Developer Options? That's an assured way to eliminate any biases or subconscious filtering. You can even record video if you want; I would be curious to see the results.
Ultimately I would like to know how I could find out which function(s) are causing the frame rate to drop below 60 so consistently on these phones.
I can't tell if the issue you're describing in that thread is the same; the issue I'm describing is primarily smoothness, which isn't just frame rate or "refresh rate" whatever that is exactly, but consistency of frame rate (~30fps consistently would be completely fine with me). The jankiness is marked by stuttering, jitteryness, and laggyness, and is shown in the Profiler by a lot of chunky bars jumping up above the line inconsistently.
Here's two screenshots. First is the HTC 10 (Maximus rom, no further customization), other is a completely stock Nexus 6 on Android 7.1.1. The app on the screenshot is lightning browser, the website is androidpolice.com. The Nexus is a little smoother but not by much. It has some large spikes sometimes as well, just like the HTC 10. Both are much better than a Galaxy S7 Edge (Exynos). In terms of jank I rate them Nexus 6 (least jank) - HTC 10 - S7 (most jank).
Hi Guys
I was wondering how is the ram management, looking at some videos and post they was all in late 2017, now with a couple of updates and stuff I was wondering how the Pixel XL 2 fares in keeping apps open.
I was thinking of getting the Pixel XL 2 because I enjoy taking photos and the camera is amazing on the Pixel 2, my only grips with it is that I'm a heavy multi-tasker as well.
I've seen videos in 2017 that it struggles to hold 10 or less apps, but I was wondering with kernels and ram tweak, how is everyone with the ram, are apps kept in or reloading?
In my experience, apps do tend to reload but the device is good at reloading back to where you were in the app for the most part.
Running Flash kernel!
As far as I'm concerned, I've not experienced any slowdowns or multitasking issues with my device considering it has "only" 4GB of RAM.
You'll notice app reloads here and there from time to time, but that's not a dealbreaker. The same also occurs on 6GB devices, and even more frequently on an iPhone.
The phone feels very fast anyway, thanks to the very lightweight and bloat-free stock Google firmware. Less bloat = less wasted RAM for useless crap
There's no change, I'm on P and it reloads like hell , ok it opens really fast but it's kinda annoying. On ram management Samsung experience they did a really good job this year, the s8 that I have holds a lot of applications
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There's no change, I'm on P and it reloads like hell , ok it opens really fast but it's kinda annoying. On ram management Samsung experience they did a really good job this year, the s8 that I have holds a lot of applications
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Shame, I'm on the OnePlus 5T so apps don't even reload after 20 apps open. Tested it just now. Includes 2 games.
But the camera just seems so good on the pixel...
I had ip5t too , really good performance. But no stereo speakers , and the camera are deal breaker to me.
Hello fellas,
I have a query to you all who are using this device for more than six months up to a year, the Nokia 6.1 or Nokia 6 2018 edition, is this a problem free device? I am looking to purchase this this specific model is currently undergoing a sale in India and would like to pick it up for my mother, who is a senior citizen, so a few basic things I need to know.
I don't need much from a cheap phone. I just need to know the following things, is the earpiece volume of the device in-call loud enough? Is the loudspeaker itself loud enough? How much SoT are you getting on Pie? Is there any known problem occurring in long term? Because the reviews are not good of the device and that makes me wonder whether there is any real problem with the device or not.
I will really appreciate your useful inputs on this.
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is the earpiece volume of the device in-call loud enough? Is the loudspeaker itself loud enough?
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No problem for me with call volumes.
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How much SoT are you getting on Pie?
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Like anything, depends on what you're doing. I don't often run mine dead, but I'd say average 5 - 6 hours SoT mostly light web browsing extrapolating to if I did run it dead. It's standby battery drain isn't the greatest, but not terrible either. I often only charge it every other day, but I'm not a super heavy user.
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Is there any known problem occurring in long term?
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I have lots of little complaints about the software. While I'm able to workaround or ignore them, I don't highly recommend this device. It's lots of little things. Double tap to wake is terribly unreliable. I've never got USB MTP file transfer to work at all and ADB is unreliable. I workaround that using SMB, but I doubt the average senior citizen has a file server set up if transfers to/from phone are needed. The camera is not very good; Google camera port makes it somewhat better. The RAM management is terrible; Nokia actually bundled a fscking third party "battery protection" task killer in the system. I could go on, but most of these land in the annoying category. They might well be stuff your mother would never notice.
On the upside, it's running Android Pie. Mine is currently installing the May 2019 security patch as I type this, and I only paid US $150 for it new, so it's got all that going for it.
I like to call it the most adequate phone ever. Lots of little aggravating problems, but nothing so bad as to make me buy something else (I bought it under duress - my primary phone had died, and backup had funky buttons). The hardware is pretty nice for the price point. If old Motorola (Google's Moto devs, not Levnovo!) had built the ROM for it, I bet it would be a killer low end mid-ranger. As it is, it is a little mediocre.
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No problem for me with call volumes.
Like anything, depends on what you're doing. I don't often run mine dead, but I'd say average 5 - 6 hours SoT mostly light web browsing extrapolating to if I did run it dead. It's standby battery drain isn't the greatest, but not terrible either. I often only charge it every other day, but I'm not a super heavy user.
I have lots of little complaints about the software. While I'm able to workaround or ignore them, I don't highly recommend this device. It's lots of little things. Double tap to wake is terribly unreliable. I've never got USB MTP file transfer to work at all and ADB is unreliable. I workaround that using SMB, but I doubt the average senior citizen has a file server set up if transfers to/from phone are needed. The camera is not very good; Google camera port makes it somewhat better. The RAM management is terrible; Nokia actually bundled a fscking third party "battery protection" task killer in the system. I could go on, but most of these land in the annoying category. They might well be stuff your mother would never notice.
On the upside, it's running Android Pie. Mine is currently installing the May 2019 security patch as I type this, and I only paid US $150 for it new, so it's got all that going for it.
I like to call it the most adequate phone ever. Lots of little aggravating problems, but nothing so bad as to make me buy something else (I bought it under duress - my primary phone had died, and backup had funky buttons). The hardware is pretty nice for the price point. If old Motorola (Google's Moto devs, not Levnovo!) had built the ROM for it, I bet it would be a killer low end mid-ranger. As it is, it is a little mediocre.
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Thanks a ton for a really excellent well put feedback can't appreciate it more. Wish more people talked as clear as you.
Anyway, the camera part is a bit scary, I mean I don't understand to what extent it's 'not very good', I thought for the price its supposed to have a decent enough camera. My camera expectations from it is none whatsoever, but when you say not good, I wish I knew exactly against what I can relate it to.
That automatic task killing thing is terrible too.
Funny thing, I actually just bought my mother a Asus Zenfone Max M1 (not the PRO variant), and while the phone is good and all, I can't stand its ZenUI, and ironically it also has some RAM clearing stuff built-in, which for the life of me I can't disable. Other than that I hate the blue channel of the display, which is absurdly high, and no option to decrease it anywhere and the new 18:9 ratio is plain nonsense to my eyes. So I am returning it and thought as the Nokia 6.1 came in offer it would be a great buy, especially the price has gone down to 6999 INR (100 USD) under this sale.
Hmm, I am bit confused now. Not a very good camera, software inconsistencies and poor choice like that of the task killer etc., dunno what to do. Sale ends tomorrow anyway LoL.
In any case, thanks once again for your input.
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Hmm, I am bit confused now. Not a very good camera, software inconsistencies and poor choice like that of the task killer etc., dunno what to do. Sale ends tomorrow anyway LoL.
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The camera sensor is probably fine. I think it is the software side image processing that is lacking. There is a Google camera port that works almost flawlessly (I've had a few FCs) that improves the image quality quite a bit. For what it's worth, my perspective is probably skewed by the fact that my wife is using a Pixel 3XL, and it is hard to say enough good things about it for a phone camera.
However, I think my Moto X (2015) took better pictures than the Nokia 6.1 (2018) does. Without the Google camera port, I think my ancient Galaxy S3 took better pictures than the stock Nokia camera. Software matters on phone cameras, a lot, and I don't see it as HMD Global's strong suit.
Nokia didn't design the camera on this phone. They partnered with a company called Evenwell to handle the camera and some other utilities; that's where the "battery protection" task killer came from. So it's an Android One phone, but it still comes loaded up with some third party telemetry and crapware.
Introduction
I have never written anything like this before. You might know me as the creator of the Omega kernel for the 6T, and now the 8 Pro. But I wanted to share my experience coming from a OnePlus 6T, to help everyone make a better decision whether to upgrade or not -> I'll cut to the chase... Upgrade now.
I have been using the OnePlus 6T since it was released in November 2018. Before I had almost every OnePlus since the 2, but kept changing between the current top iPhones and OnePlus-es. That changed with the 6T. I was blown away by the speed and responsiveness vs the iPhone 8 Plus I had before that, and Google really upped their game with Android Pie.
Since the 6T I never really wanted to get back into the Apple ecosystem, Android was just too good to use.
Kernel devving on the 6T was also very enjoyable, once a person finds out some of the quirks of the OnePlus code additions.
Enter the 8 Pro
I'll just say this comparing it to the 6T (I never wanted to try the 7 Pro series because of the pop-up camera): OH MY GOD. It's like going from a Fiat Panda (no offense to Fiat) to a Tesla. It's mind-blowing.
The looks. The blue on the 8 Pro is so beautiful, this is the first time I will keep the clear case on the phone that was provided in the box.
The speed. I know, it's mostly a perception, because of the 120Hz display, but oh my does that make a difference... Of course there is the 865 chipset, faster RAM, etc, but that screen is what blows you away the first time you boot it up.
The feel of the device. It's heavier than the 6T, but that's a good thing. You feel it's sturdier.
The experience. It's like opting for the red pill. You never want to go back. I think OnePlus perfectly nailed the combination of hardware and software on this one. After so many years a true flagship.
Setup
It took about an hour to setup from scratch. Yes, I know there is a OnePlus Switch app, but that would rob me from experiencing the setup itself, and I need that. Blazing fast.
Near stock Android experience, with just the right additions. I can tweak to exactly how I like it.
For those who are like me, and want to turn off vibration for everything (since I find it annoying). Go into USB debugging mode, and do:
Code:
adb shell
Code:
appops set android VIBRATE ignore
This disables all standard Android vibrations. If you are finnicky and want to be more granular, or do away with vibrations coming from a certain app:
Microsoft Teams - which I use quite a lot - seems to ignore every single setting I have in notifications, but you can disable app-specific vibrations with:
Code:
appops set com.microsoft.teams VIBRATE ignore
Just substitute "com.microsoft.teams" with the package name you want to turn vibrations off for...
I always disable Sleep Optimization, as I need to have notifications always.
Initial thoughts
Now this is a flagship. Incredible. From the way it feels in your hand, to how blazing fast it is. Battery seems good (see attached screenshots) - I know it has to settle in since it has only been 16 hours, but still. I'm impressed.
By default the screen is set to 120Hz but FHD display. I changed it to 120Hz and QHD resolution. I mean why have a phone like this if you don't enjoy to the max?
How is it vs the 6T?
Huge upgrade.
Camera - will test further over the weekend, but one-two pics I already took are much crisper and more vibrant
Speed - incredible jump forward, and the 6T is still no slouch in 2020...
WiFi - much more stable, seemless roaming now works fully on my home mesh router system. It didn't on the 6T...
OxygenOS - I know most of the added stuff in OOS 10.5 will come to the 6T, but the additions are very nice. Horizon lights, the new fingerprint animation, raise the phone to quiet the ringtone, are all very nice touches.
As I spend more time with the phone I will update this thread accordingly. If anyone has any questions, don't be shy to ask.
The display
OK guys, after two weeks now, let's talk about the display.
Few points: resolution, size, refresh rate, colors, brightness.
Resolution:
You can run in in 1080p or 1440p - some say they can't tell the difference between the two, but I personally can, and I can't go back to FHD... Text is crisper, photos have more detail, it simply looks better. And I read a lot of emails, so it's good to have beautiful fonts on the screen -> BTW I stay on stock Android's Roboto fonts, I simply prefer the more condensed fonts.
Size
6.7". Damn. I never thought I would have such a big screen, but after two weeks my wife's iPhone XR's 6.2" is just small. Because of the size, more calendar entries, more emails, and all my Fitbit stats actually fit on one screen! ...finally
One thing, though. On 1080p, the display density is set differently than 1440p. So if you switch to 1440p (QHD), all text becomes bigger. I'm not that old (yet), so you can actually go into System - Developer options - about 2/3 down Drawing - Smallest width - and change from 411 to 432. Now the scaling is the same as with 1080p, but the fonts are still crisper. (This took me two weeks to figure out )
Refresh rate
This is the biggest jump from my 6T. At first, I was like "yeah it's smooth". After a week, I looked at my son's Pixel 3a, and I asked "what's wrong with it?!?". Then I looked at my wife's iPhone XR, and I asked "what's wrong with it?!?" I'm now spoiled with the 120Hz, and now my work laptop seems slow...
This is the red pill I talked about.
And now the technical part: frame render time is around 6ms, meaning that there is virtually no dropped frame. It took precision to tune the hardware and software to perfection, and it shows!
Colors
Two categories: bright(er) screen is perfect. Colors are accurate, and photos show exactly what it is in real life. Perfect.
Dimmer screens do seem to have a green tint (standard settings), and overblown blacks (DC dimming). But this is something I'm certain will be fixed in an upcoming update, so I'm not worried.
Brightness
After the refresh rate, this is the next best thing. I started testing the phone inside, so it was nothing special. But when I used it in the car as a GPS, even in direct sunlight I was able to see everything clearly. Incredible. Compared to the 6T, and even an iPhone 8 Plus, this thing is bright, and beautiful to look at!
Performance
OK, so next up is performance. It's now been a bit more than 3 weeks with the phone, and I've had ample time to check out performance. Again, this is coming from the 6T.
Few points: general feeling, multitasking, gaming.
General overall feeling
It's fast
In more detail LOL: With the 6T, after booting up the phone, I always had to give it 4-5 hours to "settle in", and after that time performance was great. With th 8 Pro, I'm not really seeing that. It's already fast to begin with.
My primary usage is: emails, WhatsApp, Microsoft Teams, phone calls, camera, photos. I do tons of multitasking, listen to music in the meantime, etc., and not a glitch, no lag.
Some raw performance indicators: snapping multiple portrait shots one after another is finally working. The 865 chipset does wonders for this, and on the 6T I had to wait 2-3 seconds before I could shoot again.
Multitasking
Snappy, no reloading of apps, everything stays in memory. And now with 12Gb of RAM, everything stays in memory even if I use the most memory-hog app of all, the camera. Switching on a "regular" work-day between emails, calendar, Teams, Spotify, etc. is so seamless, it's an incredible experience.
Everything stays in memory (it does get cleared overnight to help with idle drain, but I'm good with that). Coming from the 6T (and maybe that has to do with the kernel moving from 4.9.y to 4.19.y), memory management is tons better than before. Background task killing decisions are much better, and not once have I had Fitbit close on me during an exercise, it always was able to track my GPS in the background.
Another (previously taxing) scenario was: biking with Fitbit tracking my stats in the background, checking out Google Maps where I am, and doing a Whatsapp video call (I have a bike mount). On the 6T, after the video call, it started killing either Fitbit or Maps in the background, now it's all good.
I guess all this can be attributed to two things: better memory management code written by OnePlus (YAY!), and the faster LPDDR5 memory. All in all great.
Gaming
I'm not much of a gamer, I'd consider myself a social gamer. I occasionally have Clash Royale installed - when my son also installs it . But, it's limited to 60fps, and on top of that the Android code optimization is terrible, so not much of an experience there.
But lets' talk about two games in particular that manage higher FPS: Fortnite and Pokemon Go.
Fortnite: I just had to try it. I rarely play on my PC, but with all the hype, I wanted to try it on the OnePlus 8 Pro. And WOW - they really mean business...
In the menus and before playing, it's limited to 30fps (I guess to save battery, and it doesn't matter in the menus anyways), but during gameplay it was just as smooth as my gaming PC which has a 90Hz monitor. Impressive. And I even got to 4th place! :victory:
If anyone of you is into playing FPS on your phones, this is a game-changer. Also, because of the high RAM, in-game experience is top notch, with zero lag.
Battery seems decent, based on my 20-minute round, I reckon one can go around 4 hours of playtime, which is quite incredible.
Pokemon Go: Previously, my biggest gripe with Android was the performance (or rather lack of...) of Pokemon Go, especially compared to iPhones. The game takes full advantage of the 120Hz display, and it's simply gorgeous. Throwing curveballs is a breeze, and overall exprerience is now MUCH better than the iPhone. Plus add to that that I could probably manage 5-5.5 hours of game time with a full charge.
Summing up
I guess when you have a powerful phone, it doesn't matter what you throw at it... It simply performs incredibly well. And the 8 Pro is a damn powerful phone.
Camera
OK, it's camera time! It's now been 4 weeks with the phone, let's talk about the camera. Again, this is coming from the 6T.
Few points: general feeling, everyday shots, videos, low light.
General overall feeling
This rocks. On the 6T, I almost always had to shoot multiple shots to ensure I have a good picture there. Now - my use case is mostly taking pictures of the family, and they are always moving Also, family sports don't have when there is good lighting, so I was almost always struggling with getting good pictures...
Not anymore. In the first few weeks I did take multiple photos (habit I guess), but it's no longer needed. 95% of the time the photo I take is simply perfect. I think the biggest testament to this is my broader family, and everyone uses iPhones -> since the 8 Pro, they keep on complimenting me on the quality of the photos, and always ask me what phone I have
Everyday shots
Yes, because the family is always moving around (including our rabbit), it's very difficult to get a decent picture. With the 8 Pro, it's actually very easy to do that now. I guess because of the better sensor, shutter times have been reduced, so motion is no longer showing on the pictures (unless of course there is significant movement). But these are the more difficult scenarios.
For simpler scenarios, like group picture with everyone posing, the rabbit laying down, etc., the pictures are perfect, good enough to immediately take to a print studio, even without editing.
Videos
Honestly, this is the best part I am lucky to have a 21:9 QHD monitor, and I love watching movies on it. I was always bummed that none of the previous phones was able to shoot in that format. With the 8 Pro, they introduced Cinematik 4K. I now always shoot in this mode, in 60fps. And oh my it's beautiful. It already fills the whole screen on the phone, and it's immersive, but when I show the family the videos on my home computer, they are in awe. And it's perfectly fluid with 60fps! And this captures every single detail in sports, so perfect.
Low light
I only include this section because for some reason people actually take photos in low light...
Now in the Netherlands it only gets dark after 11PM, so this is a bit difficult to test, but every single dusk picture I took turned out perfectly, again prompting my family members to ask me what kind of phone I have. LOL
That sums it up (for now), do let me know if you have any questions!
Screenshots attached
My personal setup
Accounts, setups
- One personal Gmail account, IMAP idle
- One family-level Outlook.com account for the family calendar, push sync
- One company Office365 account for work, push sync
Apps
- Calendar: Google Calendar
- Email: Nine Email - works perfectly with all accounts, as well as supports dark mode and email aliases
- Gallery: OnePlus gallery - it's fast and also shows an icon for portraits
- Social apps: Twitter, WhatsApp, Microsoft Teams, LinkedIn, Google News
Settings
- Screen set to QHD and 120Hz, automatic brightness
- WiFi and Bluetooth scanning both disabled
- Disabled "Hey Google" for the assistant
- Dark mode, of course
- Disabled haptics, as per post #1
- Disabled Bluetooth Discoverable
- Disabled Sleep Standby Optimization - I want to receive all notifications as they arrive, even at night
Great Review, i also had the 6t as my daily driver before. As i bought the 8 Pro i remember your last words about the 6t, that you will not switch to another Phone... And now you bought the exact device as me...
Don't know whats better: The Phone or that it will run with omega Kernel.
Thank you.
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Great Review, i also had the 6t as my daily driver before. As i bought the 8 Pro i remember your last words about the 6t, that you will not switch to another Phone... And now you bought the exact device as me...
Don't know whats better: The Phone or that it will run with omega Kernel.
Thank you.
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Thanks! I loved the 6T. Like I said, I wasn't too happy about the 7 Pro's pop-up camera, but already the 7T was tempting. But then the leaks came out about the 8, it started to look better.
And I have to say, this is one hellova' phone.
Great review & sums it up rather nicely, I have the 12/256gb Glacial Green and I just love it.....? For the same reasons as yourself. Owned every OnePlus from the 3T but this is the first that really is a true flagship......:good:
Duncan1982 said:
Great review & sums it up rather nicely, I have the 12/256gb Glacial Green and I just love it.....? For the same reasons as yourself. Owned every OnePlus from the 3T but this is the first that really is a true flagship......:good:
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I loved the 3T. That selfie camera was a league of its own. I remember trying to compile CyanogenMod for it. Good ole days...
And back to 8 Pro - I was testing frame rendering this morning, and per-frame rendering time is ~5ms. So even on QHD resolution with 120Hz there are no frame drops. Simply incredible.
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I loved the 3T. That selfie camera was a league of its own. I remember trying to compile CyanogenMod for it. Good ole days...
And back to 8 Pro - I was testing frame rendering this morning, and per-frame rendering time is ~5ms. So even on QHD resolution with 120Hz there are no frame drops. Simply incredible.
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Ahhh yes the good ol' days .......? To me I'm like chainfire i used to root and mod all my devices, now there is not so much of a need to, as much as I'm sure your kernel is fantastic, I'll just stay stock, locked.....?
Which is unusual for me as with all OnePlus devices it's been the first thing I have done, now im not so much compelled to (again I'm sure your kernel is fantastic).
Enjoy and have fun with it, I'm sure you will.......:good:
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Ahhh yes the good ol' days .......? To me I'm like chainfire i used to root and mod all my devices, now there is not so much of a need to, as much as I'm sure your kernel is fantastic, I'll just stay stock, locked.....?
Which is unusual for me as with all OnePlus devices it's been the first thing I have done, now im not so much compelled to (again I'm sure your kernel is fantastic).
Enjoy and have fun with it, I'm sure you will.......:good:
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Well... Don't tell anyone, but I'm also bootloader locked currently...
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Well... Don't tell anyone, but I'm also bootloader locked currently...
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Shhhhh you typed that out loud .......? Who knows I might get tempted to unlock, but like I said it would only be for kernel, as all other mods are not needed or there are no other reasons.......root is something that has unfortunately died.
Before we needed to, there was a reason to, now it's not so much......anyway broken record .....?
#Oneplus you nailed it with the 8 Pro......?
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#Oneplus you nailed it with the 8 Pro......
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Absolutely agree
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root is something that has unfortunately died.
Before we needed to, there was a reason to, now it's not so much......anyway broken record .....?
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Have to disagree on this, as I think it still mostly depends on what you're going to do with your device, the way you use it, the level of 'freedom' you need to have on your system/apps.
Having been root on each and every device I've had for the past 10 years, I know I could never go backward. Not just because of adblockers (yeah, I could use a vpn-based adblocker but battery consumption is not comparable) or for Lucky Patcher, but for the level of control that you get on almost every part of your system and apps.
But I guess it depends on people, different devices for different needs
(no intention here to start a debate on whether root or non-root is best, just sharing a different opinion, peace ^.^ )
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Have to disagree on this, as I think it still mostly depends on what you're going to do with your device, the way you use it, the level of 'freedom' you need to have on your system/apps.
Having been root on each and every device I've had for the past 10 years, I know I could never go backward. Not just because of adblockers (yeah, I could use a vpn-based adblocker but battery consumption is not comparable) or for Lucky Patcher, but for the level of control that you get on almost every part of your system and apps.
But I guess it depends on people, different devices for different needs
(no intention here to start a debate on whether root or unroot is best, just sharing a different opinion, peace ^.^ )
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Absolutely some do require for a few things, also some like the freedom of the device is theirs.....no debating and each has their own take on the matter .......:good:
I still root, but it's definitely far less necessary than it was a few years ago. I do it for Google dialer and vanced and that's about it now
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Absolutely some do require for a few things, also some like the freedom of the device is theirs.....no debating and each has their own take on the matter .......:good:
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I still root, but it's definitely far less necessary than it was a few years ago. I do it for Google dialer and vanced and that's about it now
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Exactly. For some people, root is still a necessity. To each their own.
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Congrats on your new phone and kernel.
Sounds like a great device. The price tag on the purchase of two of them right now which is what I would need, is a little too steep. If I'm able to switch, I'm glad to have the 6t's as a backup device if needed
Great review kristfpetho!!!
I will be getting one soon..
Good Read! I'm impressed with my 8Pro Green Machine! Cool ?
Thanks for the review, I am waiting till end of November for buying a new phone so probably go for this or for the 8t but don't know what the price will be and if it's worth the upgrade or go for the cheaper 8pro at that moment... I guess 6 months difference in hardware or software won't make it a huge difference I assume.
Hi. I've had the phone for a bit more than two weeks now, and especially the past week this phone has been unbearably laggy. At times, video playback will lag behind audio (not on bluetooth or anything), app transitions are extremely sluggish, and anything to do with camera cannot even come close to sustaining 60fps. I'm not even playing games or doing anything intensive on this phone, just social media and taking pictures here and there. I haven't used any ADB debloating tool due to the fear that it'll break functionality, but if that helps i'll take a go at it. Has anyone been experiencing similar performance issues with the Exynos model? I am seriously regretting "upgrading" from my broken OnePlus 6T, at 3 years old it was so much more performant than my S22. How would I even go about diagnosing this? Thanks in advance.
During set-up of the phone,did you use Smart Sitch to restore a back-up of any data ?
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No, I've set up everything from scratch. I've tried increasing RAM+ to 8GB from the default 4, but it hasn't helped.
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No, I've set up everything from scratch. I've tried increasing RAM+ to 8GB from the default 4, but it hasn't helped.
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I'm pretty sure increasing the RAM+ value, which essentially represents the swap memory, your phone slows down because you're using more of your phone's storage for things the RAM memory should take care of. 8GB is plenty enough for daily usage. There's no need for what Samsung did.
Try turning the feature off altogether with "adb shell settings put global ram_expand_size_list 0"
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I'm pretty sure increasing the RAM+ value, which essentially represents the swap memory, your phone slows down because you're using more of your phone's storage for things the RAM memory should take care of. 8GB is plenty enough for daily usage. There's no need for what Samsung did.
Try turning the feature off altogether with "adb shell settings put global ram_expand_size_list 0"
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I've read this somewhere else as well (with how much bloat there is in OneUI I thought maybe they put the RAM+ feature there for a reason), I'll try to run it with 0 for a while and report back. Still, could this actually be the cause for this much stuttering?
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I've read this somewhere else as well (with how much bloat there is in OneUI I thought maybe they put the RAM+ feature there for a reason), I'll try to run it with 0 for a while and report back. Still, could this actually be the cause for this much stuttering?
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Sorry! 0 actually sets it to default, which is 4gb. Set it to 2 from the settings, reboot and see how that goes.
Try reading this thing. It should give you an idea of what Ram+ is. While you're at it, got to the first page and have a look there. It's a very detailed thread on what you need to do to either get rid of the bloatware, tweak your phone and so on, without root.
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Sorry! 0 actually sets it to default, which is 4gb. Set it to 2 from the settings, reboot and see how that goes.
Try reading this thing. It should give you an idea of what Ram+ is. While you're at it, got to the first page and have a look there. It's a very detailed thread on what you need to do to either get rid of the bloatware, tweak your phone and so on, without root.
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Okay, good to know. I'll go through the thread (the message you sent was also helpful, I assumed it'd do the swapping once the memory is full) and debloat this as much as I could. But I still have to ask, is this the performance that I was supposed to expect from an 800€ phone?
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Okay, good to know. I'll go through the thread (the message you sent was also helpful, I assumed it'd do the swapping once the memory is full) and debloat this as much as I could. But I still have to ask, is this the performance that I was supposed to expect from an 800€ phone?
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I cancelled my preorder of the Exynos S22 because it took too long. I then ordered it from a store that brings international variants of all sorts of phones. My current S22 is from Hong Kong (TGY). What did I notice while using the phone? The battery life is TERRIBLE. I come from an iPhone 13 Pro which I used for almost 4 months but got rid of because of iOS. That thing was insanely good. I had absolutely no worries about the battery wherever I went and no matter what I was doing on it, because it was that good. Before that I used a Pixel 5, which was also the first phone which changed the way I charged my phone. Based on my usage, a full charge lasted me about 85-90% of what the iPhone lasted, so it was pretty close. This thing, TERRIBLE. I rooted it and cut the frequencies of all 3 core clusters almost in half to get half an hour more and get a little over 4h SOT.
So to answer your question, no it's definitely not worth it. I paid for this piece of rubbish 920€. Based on the experience I had so far, I wouldn't pay more than 600€ on it. I even wanted to return it and was looking to go back to a Pixel 5 which I regret selling in the first place, but after taking it out of the original white bumper case, in which I put it the second I unboxed the damn thing, I noticed small scratches all around the aluminium frame, which is supposed to be able to withstand a nuclear blast, based on Samsung's marketing BS. So the store tagged it as non-returnable because it's not "as new" anymore.
In conclusion, this is a terrible phone just because the battery is too small and the chipset is too inefficient for it, incompatible. And you are even "luckier" with your Exynos variant. FYI, Samsung sold SD variants of the S22 lienup in Koreea this time. Probably they didn't want to dissapoint their own people with their experimental chipset.
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Hi. I've had the phone for a bit more than two weeks now, and especially the past week this phone has been unbearably laggy. At times, video playback will lag behind audio (not on bluetooth or anything), app transitions are extremely sluggish, and anything to do with camera cannot even come close to sustaining 60fps. I'm not even playing games or doing anything intensive on this phone, just social media and taking pictures here and there. I haven't used any ADB debloating tool due to the fear that it'll break functionality, but if that helps i'll take a go at it. Has anyone been experiencing similar performance issues with the Exynos model? I am seriously regretting "upgrading" from my broken OnePlus 6T, at 3 years old it was so much more performant than my S22. How would I even go about diagnosing this? Thanks in advance.
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Hi,
It's true, there are reports everywhere of this problem. Every media app will stutter the image for a milisecond (twitch, instagram, youtube, etc) and the sound gets out of sync. A reboot works only for a couple of hours. Changing the ram will not solve this.
There are a lot of reports of this issue on the members app and they are aware of it. They say a patch will come but a lot has passed and the phone is almost unsuable for me. If I could, I would have return it.
I suggest you also report this on your members app.
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Hi,
It's true, there are reports everywhere of this problem. Every media app will stutter the image for a milisecond (twitch, instagram, youtube, etc) and the sound gets out of sync. A reboot works only for a couple of hours. Changing the ram will not solve this.
There are a lot of reports of this issue on the members app and they are aware of it. They say a patch will come but a lot has passed and the phone is almost unsuable for me. If I could, I would have return it.
I suggest you also report this on your members app.
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Damn, I went through a billion reviews before getting this thing, none of them mentioned this. It's been almost a month since I got the phone so I probably can't return it. And even if I could, I really don't have the time to switch phones, with banking apps and backups and crap it takes too much time for me to just constantly jump between ROMs or phones. Was the S21 this bad as well? How is everyone even recommending Samsung phones to people?
There was an update relased today. I installed it and checked the performace right away.
It's still there! every video starts with a micro stutter. What the hell Samsung...
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There was an update relased today. I installed it and checked the performace right away.
It's still there! every video starts with a micro stutter. What the hell Samsung...
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I just got the update as well. I'll try to install it but from your comments doesn't seem hopeful to actually help the issue. Still nice that they're this fast with updates though.
Side question, does video quality suck for you guys? Especially with the ultrawide, I get 2013-quality videos with a ton of artifacts, and its not even 60fps? (shows up at 41fps on file details).
Galaxy S22 has audio-video sync issues that need to be fixed
Samsung's latest Galaxy S22 flagship series is pretty darn good, but it is not perfect. Some lingering performance and stability ...
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Being fan and satisfied with Xiaomi for 6 years, I returned to Samsung (S22, exynos) 2 weeks ago to realize the biggest mistake I did! It charges slow, battery drain fast, multitasking gets slow, camera is disappointing at night and sticky in fast hand motions. Generally you can't count on it!
900€ trash 🫣. I can't even sell it .
Never, NEVER again Samsung.
Agree with everything that's been said here. I returned the s22 exynos and got my money back. I'm back to the s10e snapdragon version that works flawlessly with no lag, stable 60fps at games. The s22 is just a beautiful device but it doesn't work well at all, games suck hard playing on it at like 35-40 fps with lots of frame drops, and I dont think the updates are going to make any miracles with all this experimental hardware. A lot of stupid marketing on useless 4nanometres cpu that overheats and suffers from throttling. Are you kidding me?
I'm very happy with this s10e hongkong version, 3 years, updated to 4.0 and soon 4.1. After trying the s22 I found out that's not for what l had Samsung in mind due to my previous good user experience.
By the way: I debloated it as I know what to delete and what to keep not to lose any functionality. Battery wasn't as bad as other users, I was getting about 5-6h sot in 12-15h usage, but the phone lags bad in games and some menus. It has unforgivable issues as the desynchronized sound/video in youtube n other stuff for such a high price. Samsung ain't getting my money this time. Let's wait for pixel7- s22 Fe - Nothing Phone (1)
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ps: I believe it's a bad year regarding CPU. The 888 and 8gen1 are known for heating and eating more battery. So far the s21 series are better than the current s22, the pixel 6 series got some issues as well and yet another experimental CPU. One of the best choices is still the oneplus 8T? Come on. Wake up android market, some oldschool users are migrating to apple, which isn't on my plans personally.
Not that it's gonna change anything, but here's an update: the lag's worse than ever, audio playback will cut out randomly, media playback on the notification panel barely works. I still can't believe nobody outside this thread is talking about how despicable this phone is.
After the latest avda update with tons of debloating, the phone is running almost like a midrange phone.
I will keep it due to the size factor and cameras. But this is really unacceptable for the money asked.
xjust said:
After the latest avda update with tons of debloating, the phone is running almost like a midrange phone.
I will keep it due to the size factor and cameras. But this is really unacceptable for the money asked.
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Same here. Way too late to return it, nor do I have the time to go through the whole find a phone set up a phone process anyway. I'm gonna try to keep it as pristine as possible until the S23 and/or the Pixel 7 is out and see if I can trade-in for a reasonable price.
for me, it might be the iphone 14 pro
I'm missing tons of notifications and alarms now. This phone just keeps getting worse.