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Which one would you choose?
(Assuming that WP7 won't get major changes to its UI itself and that the prototype is the final version of WP7)
I voted for WP7 but the question is - when should I choose? Right now there's no Windows Phone 7. All we've seen is an unfinished UI prototype. I wouldn't switch my 6.5 for that. WP7 shows a lot of promise but how it will materialize and when isn't at all clear.
vangrieg said:
I voted for WP7 but the question is - when should I choose? Right now there's no Windows Phone 7. All we've seen is an unfinished UI prototype. I wouldn't switch my 6.5 for that. WP7 shows a lot of promise but how it will materialize and when isn't at all clear.
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Good point here...
I voted WP7.
Why?
1. I dont like iPhone, because of all its restriction.
2. I am using WM6.1 (HTC Kaiser) and want to update/upgrade
3. I am about to move to Android, but I cannot get Nexus one here in my country.
However after I saw WP7, I think that would be my right choice to replace my HTC Kaiser.
I have been waiting for several years already and waiting another 1 year is fine with me
In the meantime I can still play around with Android on it.
gogol said:
1. I dont like iPhone, because of all its restriction.
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I hope you realize that WP7 is just as restricted...
freyberry said:
I hope you realize that WP7 is just as restricted...
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Hard to realize something that hasn't been announced.
It will be Android on Desire for me.. Have some experience with Android on the Hero which my brother has. Definitely much better than the Windows 6.5 on my TD2 and when Microsoft will release 7, Android will probably have some kind of new version too.. (a 2.5 or 3.0 next year maybe?)
You again?
And you sir, you got another super secret friend told you about that?
Of course there will be limitation or some kind of restriction on WP7, I knew that. But what exactly? I don't know.
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I hope you realize that WP7 is just as restricted...
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Well I agree that WM7 is a long way off. Might as enjoy WM6.5.x now while its here. The new GUI of the later builds is enough to keep you busy for a while. There are lots of new features and extras all the time. It is kind of ironic but the more I look at WM7 the more I see a generic OS like the motorolas use or something on a freebie cellphone.
WM6.5.x still has compatibility to thousands of apps and has a slew of homescreens to choose from to keep your appetite at bay for a while. I think WM7 looks cool... but like previously stated, it is too far to tell how it will actually play out. Are the videos we've seen just the homescreen, where the actual OS we're used to is underneath? Where is the file manager, start menu, etc. These are very important questions before waiting A YEAR to use it.
I would recommend just getting whatever you want now and by the time you're ready for a new one... WP7 will be out and you'll have a better understanding of how it works. I'd just hate to see you wait a year and the OS be a dud.
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You again?
And you sir, you got another super secret friend told you about that?
Of course there will be limitation or some kind of restriction on WP7, I knew that. But what exactly? I don't know.
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Looks pretty much confirmed to me, that WP7 will be restricted in EXACTLY the same ways as iPhone OS is.
(btw. they have the same kind of censorship in their Marketplace as Apple)
EVERYTHING announced so far goes perfectly in line with those rumors, so why should the rest of them be incorrect?
· WP7 will be announced at MWC, and there will be a demo, but this will be just the UX
· MIX will have specific developement focus sessions on WP7
· WP7 supports both Sliverlight (out of browser) and XNA
· Silverlight is version 3.0, with elements of 4.0 plus mobile specific features such as sensors etc
· XNA apps can be developed using XNA GameStudio 3.1
· SL apps developed using Expression Blend 3.x and VS2010
· MS will release a mobile version of VS / Expression which will be free, and VS2010 / Expression Pro will have a free add-on
· WP7 will have an equivalent of .NET CF embedded into SL, but no SQL.
· WP7 will have isolated storage which is accessible using LINQ
· The UX of WP7 is based upon a theme called “METRO” and is similar to Zune HD, but with a completely new “Start” screen.
· No multi-tasking (applications will pause when in the background, however they will support notifications using the MS Push Notifications environment)
· No .NET CF backwards compatibility, however a proportion of the data and business logic in .NET CF could be ported
· MS were confident to have devices ready for Sep 2010
· No MS manufactured device, however much tighter control of manufacturing process, so as an example each device has a 3D processing chipset, and MS provide all of the device drivers. So no platform builder. This enables OTA updates and simplified model for ODM’s
· Marketplace will support buy and try before you buy, as well as an API
· ODM / OEM will not be able to modify the “Start” screen, so no more HTC Sense / TouchFlo etc.
· MS are actually ahead of schedule which will surprise the analysts / journalists
· Browsing experience is currently faster / better than iPhone 3G, and they are aiming towards 3GS.
· Browser is based upon desktop IE7 codebase, but with some IE8 functionality
· No in browser Flash or SL
· WP7 has full integration with XBOX Live, and ability to purchase games
· WP7 will use the Zune software for music, videos, photos sync
· WP7 only supports app installation through service based delivery i.e. marketplace, so no side-loading
· MS will provide a hosted push notifications environment
That also answers the thread question: I hate restrictions, thus I'm going Android
I agree. WP7 is stupid OS for stupid phones and it is targeted at stupid (iPhone) consumers. Like somebody said before, it's not an OS, it's just Facebook on steroids. Android or Maemo are for us non-teenagers, power users etc.
For starter, you can have some customization WP7 Start Screen, while iPhone cant.
See? That's not EXACTLY like iPhone.
Oh well, let see after MIX if I still like WP7.
seed_al said:
Looks pretty much confirmed to me, that WP7 will be restricted in EXACTLY the same ways as iPhone OS is.
(btw. they have the same kind of censorship in their Marketplace as Apple)
EVERYTHING announced so far goes perfectly in line with those rumors, so why should the rest of them be incorrect?
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For starter, you can have some customization WP7 Start Screen, while iPhone cant.
See? That's not EXACTLY like iPhone.
Oh well, let see after MIX if I still like WP7.
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what's the difference between the giant squares of wm7 and iphone mini squares?
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what's the difference between the giant squares of wm7 and iphone mini squares?
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You pick and choose which 'giant squares' you get on your start screen on WP7 and they're actively updating ("Live Tiles") unlike the iPhone's static icons (73* and sunny!).
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You pick and choose which 'giant squares' you get on your start screen on WP7 and they're actively updating ("Live Tiles") unlike the iPhone's static icons (73* and sunny!).
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Well, that's not much of a difference. You can choose which "mini squares" you want on your start screen on iPhone OS. That leaves us with only one advantage for WP7 - updating of live tiles. So, WP7 sounds like a newer iPhone OS version, nothing more. In fact, iPhone OS will (probably) support multitasking in the next version.
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Well, that's not much of a difference. You can choose which "mini squares" you want on your start screen on iPhone OS. That leaves us with only one advantage for WP7 - updating of live tiles. So, WP7 sounds like a newer iPhone OS version, nothing more. In fact, iPhone OS will (probably) support multitasking in the next version.
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What kinda of multi tasking do you need? According to what I've read and seen. If you have an app open and then open another. The first one will be suspended but if you hit the back button on the phone it will take you right back to where you left off on the previous app. That pretty much like multitasking. It will still remember what you were doing on the app when you change. And then items that require to be active in the background will beable to with approval. I don't need my calculator active in the background when I switch apps. That's just one more thing I need to close all the time with my task manager at the moment.
I don't get it, what make you think WP7 = newer iPhone OS?
If let say the Start Screen can have background image customization, will you still say "Right, that is newer iPhone OS because in the future iPhone OS will have that feature as well".
Then what? iPhone will have Xbox integration as well?
And the "hubs" concept, is that also the next iPhone OS feature?
If that's what you believe, then everything will be the newer iPhone OS.
Of course there will be similarities, or similar restrictions, but saying they are exactly the same is just wrong.
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Well, that's not much of a difference. You can choose which "mini squares" you want on your start screen on iPhone OS. That leaves us with only one advantage for WP7 - updating of live tiles. So, WP7 sounds like a newer iPhone OS version, nothing more. In fact, iPhone OS will (probably) support multitasking in the next version.
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For starter, you can have some customization WP7 Start Screen, while iPhone cant.
See? That's not EXACTLY like iPhone.
Oh well, let see after MIX if I still like WP7.
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True, that's an advantage. I do think, when you compare the two locked down platforms, WP7 is really much better.
But still, it's just as locked down as iPhone OS. I don't want that. I want something that's open like Android (or WM6.5, but that's doomed).
Kloc said:
What kinda of multi tasking do you need?
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The same as on Windows XP or Windows 7 or WinMo 6X. Simply - multitasking.
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Of course there will be similarities, or similar restrictions, but saying they are exactly the same is just wrong.
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I'm not saying they are the same, but they are very similar. I hate iPhone OS (because of restrictions), and now I hate WP7 (for the same reasons).
watch apple will sue microsoft for a sliding to unlock mechanism XD
anyway its too early to tell, but i do wish there would be more apps developed for windows mobile 6.5 =\ i mean theres not much to do once you get done with all the nitty gritty stuff
i just have to say even though i am living with my desire and android if you think windows was worse with all its faults it wasnt, i so fed up with how poor android is that i have to come and say android is **** as **** as windows ever was so ram a sock in it ahh feel better.
Seems like you wouldnt get along with ANY operating system... maybe even iOS is too hard to handle for you.
Solution: Get a Dynatac 8000 by Motorola. It was the first of all MobilePhones and should totally cover your needs
Seriously, learn to give some arguments when you already decided to post some bul*s#@t
Greets Mate
Windows better!
I assume you are talking about your windows double glazing of your home, if that is the case Andriod is useless in comparison and I agree!
If you are talking about Windows Pocket PC in comparison then I can only assume you have not turned your Desire on yet!
Sam
elburna said:
Seems like you wouldnt get along with ANY operating system... maybe even iOS is too hard to handle for you.
Solution: Get a Dynatac 8000 by Motorola. It was the first of all MobilePhones and should totally cover your needs
Seriously, learn to give some arguments when you already decided to post some bul*s#@t
Greets Mate
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Off topic.
I'm loving that Motorola
Just imagine the hardware they could fit in that if someone had the balls to make a phone that big today?
I have a Dynatac 8000 on my mantle peice .
The one on there dynatec 8000 is perfect.
Could we please get some pertinent, on-topic comments here? I am also interested in a realistic comparison between these two OS, cause I am about to switch from WM to Android and I'm not sure I will have the same functionality...
Thanks in advance.
Conrad
Well, I switched from WinMo 6.1 on an HTC Touch Cruise. It had a nice custom ROM and worked very well.
The Desire is just fabulous to hold and play with, but it doesn't do any more than the Win phone. Desire screen is beautiful and so much more responsive than the old one. Internet surfing is much better.
Having flashed the old phone's ROM many times, you might think that I'd jump in to doing the same with the Desire, particularly as it only has 2.1 not Froyo yet.
But, I'm nervous about it ..... all this talk of rooting drives me up the wall!
And, I have to buy sat nav all over again - Middle east, Europe and South Africa - there goes 200 Euros! (no, Google directions don't work here).
Sorry to ramble on.
HTH.
Right. I miss my Pocket PC. I miss how ActiveSync would lose the partnership every so often. And how I had duplicates everywhere in Outlook after I re-created the partnership.
Are you for real? Android wins over WinMo 6.5 anytime. I have used a WinMo device for over 2 years and Android is a hell lot better then WinMo, and no, it is not even as unstable as WinMo.
I love android but i find it so unstable, unrooted stock. Killed the original sd card, my new sd card is partly corrupt. Stupid apps issue no space (i know u can root but u shouldnt have to).
Otherwise android has loads of pros against winmo and id choose android any day.
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(taking about stock android, not htc stuff on top of it)
Missing loads of stuff from good winmo. Also missing customer support (non existent for android).
Missing a proper bluetooth stack.
Missing a robust email client
Missing a sync that doesn't pixelate pictures
Missing a functional gallery
Missing the birthday and anniversary field
Missing a call recording app
Missing proper gsm/wav support
Missing a real install to sdcard function
Missing a real integration with Office
Missing the fact that however limited, winmo worked out of the box, android is a permanently beta product, needing hacks or waiting for updates
Missing a stylus (hehe)
Missing a properly moderated forum and a more mature audience
But I agree that htc sense on top of android is miles ahead of manila on top of winmo, especially since you are comparing winmo devices quite older than desire & co.
You can't compare the two. It's like comparing an amiga 2000 to a pentium powered PC
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what have you got against the Amiga 2000 !! >:d
I went with android because I believe Google is slightly less evil than Microsoft.
As far as the os is concerned they both have pros and cons, its down to personal preference in the end.
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what have you got against the Amiga 2000 !! >:d
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Nothing ! It was actually a praise
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Missing loads of stuff from good winmo. Also missing customer support (non existent for android). - did ms give you customer support for winmo??
Missing a proper bluetooth stack. - no its not get your facts straight
Missing a robust email client - yet again no its not lol
Missing a sync that doesn't pixelate pictures - oh no thats a deal breaker lol
Missing a functional gallery - erm ok if ya say so pal
Missing the birthday and anniversary field - no its not duh
Missing a call recording app - only a perv needs to record calls lol
Missing proper gsm/wav support - yes just what we all need a hasbeen audio codec lol
Missing a real install to sdcard function - nand chips are big enough these days this isnt needed....
Missing a real integration with Office - it neva guna happen end of the day use your head
Missing the fact that however limited, winmo worked out of the box, android is a permanently beta product, needing hacks or waiting for updates - just because google updates the os and microsoft dosent, hows that bad? the udate function was just for show on winmo cuz ms are lazy
Missing a stylus (hehe) - not even worth a retort lol
Missing a properly moderated forum and a more mature audience - from your last post its also missing an educated audience
Missing loads of stuff from good winmo. Also missing customer support (non existent for android). - did ms give you customer support for winmo??
Yes, there was an email address and a phone number.android has forum support, which is non existent
Missing a proper bluetooth stack. - no its not get your facts straight
Android bluetooth stack is really poor and unstable
Missing a robust email client - yet again no its not lol
Gmail client has only recently fixed some major bugs about quotation and links. Stock email client is lacking a lot of functions
Missing a sync that doesn't pixelate pictures - oh no thats a deal breaker lol
Yes it is
Missing a functional gallery - erm ok if ya say so pal
3D android gallery is slow, dodgy and has an awful crop function for contacts
Missing the birthday and anniversary field - no its not duh
Stock android contacts don't have those fields
Missing a call recording app - only a perv needs to record calls lol
I won't even comment that
Missing proper gsm/wav support - yes just what we all need a hasbeen audio codec lol
Most voip answering machines send messages as attachments in that format.
Missing a real install to sdcard function - nand chips are big enough these days this isnt needed....
Funny you have a desire with 120 MB for applications...
Missing a real integration with Office - it neva guna happen end of the day use your head
Use what ? Have you ever worked in a professional environment?
Missing the fact that however limited, winmo worked out of the box, android is a permanently beta product, needing hacks or waiting for updates - just because google updates the os and microsoft dosent, hows that bad? the udate function was just for show on winmo cuz ms are lazy
Yeah right
Missing a stylus (hehe) - not even worth a retort lol
Whew
Missing a properly moderated forum and a more mature audience - from your last post its also missing an educated audience
What else to say...half your post has spelling errors, the other half is a "lol"
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I forsee in the future an new all encompassing OS called WinDroid mwuahahahaaa *cough*
I've used both, WinMo 6.5 on a hd2, and Android 2.2 on a Desire. The Desire I found is brilliant and really shows how much both Android devices and the Android operating system have come on since the initial release (my first android was a htc Hero running cupcake).
WinMo is good, i just find Android does better, the things I require from a mobile device. I guess its the apps that are streets ahead on Android, and the amount of free ones available. Windows mobile app development has pretty much come to a grinding holt, and even the apps that are available for both platforms, they seem so much better on Android (facebook app is a good example).
Also its interesting using the touch screen on WinMo 6.5 on the hd2 and also using it on Android on the hd2 also. Its like your using a different handset? The screen is so much more responsive using Android its unreal.
I really like the hd2 but after using the desire aswell, the Desire running 2.2 is my weapon of choice.
Of course the desire has my preference at the moment, of course it's also one generation ahead of my old touch hd.
My post was to point out some aspect of the immaturity and - at times - non-professional aspects of android.
It isn't out yet, but give me wp7 over the same desire hardware and I'm not so 100% sure which I will choose between htc sense and wp7. Give me stock android vs wp7 and I will choose wp7 blindly. Give me winmo 6.5.3 vs stock android and I will choose stock android very reluctantly.
I don't give so much importance if android has 20000 games, 30000 cool apps, etc. I only need 10-20 well made programs.
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Hello,
Google Maps is a great end very great apps for our HD2.
The latest version appear to be the 4.1.1.
I would like to know if anyone have some news about a new build for Windows Mobile ?
Thanks a lot,
regards,
Nixeus
would be nice to see a new release, but since it's almost been 10 months since the last release...
Yes I am waiting for the new release since long. it was 4.1.1 last I used..
I think google has already abandoned WM 6. They are concentrating in Android development, new google map version only available on Android.
Yeah I also doubt that there will be any new versions of google maps for WM 6. First and foremost google has been focusing on the android platform since it's release which is kind of logic because android is a google product. What's more almost every renown developer has abandoned WM6 in favor of the other operation systems for smartphones so I don't think google is an exception. Sad but it seems to be like this.
I can't believe that its already happened but The HD7 has gotten an android port.
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/htc-hd7-gets-android-via-cooked-chinese-rom-video
Pretty slick. I would love to see Android on my LG Quantum. lol
My main issue w/ WP7 is that the APIs/apps don't exist ( sockets for 1 ) for doing things like streaming video ( a la orb ) and offline gps navigation.
ycavan said:
Pretty slick. I would love to see Android on my LG Quantum. lol
My main issue w/ WP7 is that the APIs/apps don't exist ( sockets for 1 ) for doing things like streaming video ( a la orb ) and offline gps navigation.
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What are you talking about? You can easily stream video to a WP7 device. Same goes for offline navigation.
Is it real 100% ?
Because they didn't provide any method and this a month of April fool day,
and one more.. how did they do it with what HSPL ??
Source of this video : XDA.CN
try setting up orb & go to mycast.orb.com, login & try to stream anything... ie on wp7 refuses to play any container, even asx files.
& offline nav... which offline nav app have you found in the Marketplace? Right now, I use TomTom 7 on my wm 6.5 phone. I also have A-to-B on my Quantum, but that is not an offline solution.
Navigon has to be side-loaded ( 'cause I have yet to find North American Navigon ) and then tricked into downloading NA maps from a local web server... so not very legit there.
Don't get me wrong, I do like Netflix and Facebook integration in wp7... I'm just irritated that this device was handicapped w/ the lack of APIs for normal daily stuff.
ycavan said:
Don't get me wrong, I do like Netflix and Facebook integration in wp7... I'm just irritated that this device was handicapped w/ the lack of APIs for normal daily stuff.
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It has nothing to do with API's being missing - all the API's you need (for these two purposes) are there. If I'm not mistaken there are a few Orb clients in the works - but my point was that you can stream to WP7 just fine. Heck, you can stream directly from your Media Center PC at home over 3G if you set it up right.
As for Navigon - you're correct, it's exclusive to TMODE, but the app exists and works just fine, again showing you that all the API's are infact there. The only non-standard APIs Navigon use are those to identify your IMEI and IMSI, which would not be needed were the app not exclusive in the first place.
I'd rather see WP7 ported to Android phones than the other way around. The hardware is so much better on the Android side, I'm not sure why anyone would ever want to do this.
Why would anyone want to downgrade the OS??
I love my hd7....but I would like to see this come to life. Fingers crossed.
^^^ I wouldn't necessarily call it a downgrade... More like a 2nd option. I wouldn't mind having it.
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^^^ I wouldn't necessarily call it a downgrade... More like a 2nd option. I wouldn't mind having it.
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Exactly.
Kinda like having windows 7 and Ubuntu dual boot...kinda
I'll say do I want android
I stopped developing for HD2 android to get wp7...I don't want to go back. Period
I would love to have this as an option. I'd still primarily use WP7 but it'd be great to duel boot and be able to use Android when I need or want something that is not yet available for WP7. I'd love it just to play Abduction! World Attack and for Google Nav.
I would love to be able to put android on my hd7.
Please give me more options guys!
Thanks!
Eww. I'd rather be able to dual boot WM6.5.3. Android is just a rip off of iPhone and WM6.5 anyways...
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Eww. I'd rather be able to dual boot WM6.5.3. Android is just a rip off of iPhone and WM6.5 anyways...
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Which both ripped off of Palm OS (aka Garnet OS).
Please explain how Windows Mobile ripped off Garnet OS or any Palm Product...
Nevermind... You can't.
Don't see how this is possible without HSPL or Haret, he probably just put an HD7 front side case on some Android device.
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how the hell did you guys go from Android on an HD7 to the same old idiotic "oh man WP7 sucks, WP7 is awesome, WM6.5.x sucks, Palm is awesome"
this has nothing to do with any of that garbage.
$5 says this thread will soon be full of the usual suspects bashing WP7 and its missing features.
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Don't see how this is possible without HSPL or Haret, he probably just put an HD7 front side case on some Android device.
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how the hell did you guys go from Android on an HD7 to the same old idiotic "oh man WP7 sucks, WP7 is awesome, WM6.5.x sucks, Palm is awesome"
this has nothing to do with any of that garbage.
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its possible they used jtag for this...
Hi there, When will Huawei watch GT2 pro get Harmony OS upgrade ?
Does anyone know about that ?
pretty sure never. they make a rumour about that while ago then people like me buyed that garbage but there will be no update to harmony
strange, from this page it seems that GT2 series has a confirmed upgrade to HarmonyOS 2.0
HarmonyOS 2.0: Eligible Devices, Updates, News and More [Updated 2022] - HU
Check everything about Huawei HarmonyOS 2.0/Hongmeng OS beta updates, news, rollout, stable updates, and the latest versions.
www.huaweiupdate.com
these are that type of news which are sometimes only partially true and are made to create a "hype" online.
if (big IF) it would go ahead, it would most likely be introduced on Chinese market. forget about european/USA market.