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Help: Tilt 2 clock gets behind, displays incorrect time

I have a Tilt 2 from AT&T running Windows Mobile 6.5. I got it in October.
Sometimes my phone's clock will get behind, displaying a time that is an hour or more off. This morning, for example, I had the phone's alarm set for 9am. I woke up at 10am. When I looked at my phone, the clock displayed 8:30am. I power cycled it and it displayed the correct time.
My apartment has lousy cell reception, and I often have no signal at all when inside. Does this phone/OS rely on the cellular network to know what time it is?
Has anyone experienced similar behavior? Does anyone know if there is a fix for this?
I don't think I can trust my phone to wake me up until I find a way to fix this.

Does this happens when syncing Rhodium with pc?
or it happens even without sync?

The phone does rely on the network to keep time updated.
You could always turn off the automatic updating of the time. That may help.
1. Go to: Settings > Personal > Phone > Time Zone
2. Uncheck: Automatic change time zone and clock.
See if that helps.

orb3000 said:
Does this happens when syncing Rhodium with pc?
or it happens even without sync?
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I don't sync my phone with PC, and I don't have any push notifications activated.
The phone does rely on the network to keep time updated.
prjkthack said:
You could always turn off the automatic updating of the time. That may help.
1. Go to: Settings > Personal > Phone > Time Zone
2. Uncheck: Automatic change time zone and clock.
See if that helps.
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Turned off auto-updates as you suggested. Now we wait and see. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Clock falls behind, can't find the automatic settings
For the second time now, I experienced the same problem, where my clock on the Tilt 2 was behind. This time it was during the night and it was off by about 3 hours, and even missed the date change. The first time it was something around an hour. I don't know what's worse, because with the long time you know it's wrong when it's light outside and the time says it shouldn't.
The phone wasn't hot either, so, as far as I know it wasn't busy doing something else. The cell reception was fine here, and I was not syncing. To correct the problem, I looked for the setting to automatically set the time, based on the network. It's not off by precisely one or more hours, so it doesn't look like a timezone itself. Note that I have TouchFlo disabled, and I use the Windows 6.5 Today screen, so it might be a bit different. I looked through several settings beside the clock, but can't find it. Unless it's one and the same of course.
Any idea what could be causing this? Thanks for the powercycle tip.

I disabled what prjkthack said, I needed also to disable the sync option from Sense. This works for 'My Location' but screws other world clocks. Looks like a sort of 'base' clock is set wrong...

i have this issue with the tp and the hd2 both with energyrom.

att tilt 2 clock and date off when updated to new stock rom
hi iam having the same problems with my time and date being wrong everytime i softreset. the minutes usually always seem to be right but a couple hours off always and then you have to go in and manually set the clock. i also had to set the date when i softreset. i tried the my location button, didnt work. also called htc and talked to someone who said the time did have to be set manually, but i really dont think he knew what he was talking about. and it should have exact time from network and sat/gpr connections or even wifi? stange

Interesting. It appears that we might be fighting two different problems then. One that is a timezone offset (i.e. the minutes are the same, but the hours are off), and a full stall of the clock (with the time being off a random amount of hours and minutes).

clock advances one hour every night
Hi,
I have a similar problem with my clock: every night the clock advances one hour. If I do not correct the time, it will be two hours in advance after two nights.
This is since the night, where the daylight saving time ended.
Can anyone help?

I've had my phone over 6 months and two days ago it started having issues with keeping the correct time...
Odd indeed.
Maybe it's ATT causing the problem?

Go into Settings/Personal/Phone, then click the GSM/UTMS services tab. Click on "Time Synchronization", then Get Settings. If the "automatic change time zone & clock" box is checked, uncheck it.
That turns off the synchronization of the Tilt2's clock with the cell network, so that you can synch the time yourself. There are some third-party programs that will let you synch off a NTP server or the phone's GPS receiver -- I use Julien Schapman's Time Synchronizer.

It's not a att thing. I have the same problem since last week. I'm in Argentina and a couple of years ago we had daylight saving time. And the last year we had it we must change it on december 27th (the day it started to change in my phone in 2010. Now everytime i activesync with my pc it advaces 1 hour.
It's really annoying. And fyi my setting have disable automatic change timezone and clock!!
I don't know what to do
Cheers and happy new year
Ignacio

I'm in Argentina too, and having the same problem as Ignacio. The only thing I can add is that my Tilt2 started having this problem right after returning from Uruguay, which by the way, they are one hour ahead of us. My girlfriend has the same phone but she did not activate it while in Uruguay and she is not having this problem.
I really doubt it is just a Sync problem. I've tried every possible configuration and nothing. I wish it would be that simple.
We need a good chef for this one...
Regards
Fito

Offical fix: http://www.htc.com/europe/SupportViewNews.aspx?dl_id=1070&news_id=851
Or just install a ROM that doesn't have this issue (included this fix).

The time is not correct.

I have a stock ROM Tilt2 and I am loving it. The best phone yet. However, the clock has been off several times. It happened again today, it said 3:23 PM and it was actually 4:24 PM. I have a cab installed to stop the 1h 2m flip (if it matters). I have figured out that if I turn it to airplane mode and then back to phone, the time updates to the correct time.
Is anyone else having this same issue? And is it a problem with the phone or AT&T?

I've had the problem before. When I had the Touch Pro(Fuze) from at&t but unlocked for Tmobile. and when i first got my Touch Pro 2. i never really figured out what was wrong for the fuze but my tp2 stopped. I noticed it happening when I would unplugg my power that's when it would change time when I had my stock battery. When I changed it to the seidio battery it stopped happening. I don't think the battery has anything to do it but it might have just be a coincident.

torint said:
I don't think the battery has anything to do it but it might have just be a coincident.
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there are no coincidences, only the illusion of coincidence...

On my case, every time I do a sync with my lap top it changes me the time, no matter what I disable or adjust on Rhodium...it always changes me to a different time zone...

orb3000 said:
On my case, every time I do a sync with my lap top it changes me the time, no matter what I disable or adjust on Rhodium...it always changes me to a different time zone...
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I could have sworn there was a setting in activesync somewhere that would let you disable the time sync with the host PC...but I'm digging now and I can't find it anywhere in the menus on the phone or on the PC client.
I wouldn't be surprised though if there's a switch for that in the registry somewhere, I'll see if I can find anything that looks related...don't hold your breath though

Also has happened to me...
I have a Tilt2 stock ROM, and have had this happen several times. In searching these (and other) forums, the only thing that I have seen that remotely resembles this issue is the time zone issue (which I must suffer from as well since my time zone is always reverting to Indiana..I live in Eastern).
The first DAY I got my phone I noticed this time issue, and I chalked it up to an incomplete charge up or something to that affect, however it happened a couple of other times. The time on the phone would be off by some major amount of time (several hours), and it was not just the hour that was off, but also the minutes (so it was not purely a time zone issue).
I could not find anything to MAKE it correct itself, so I manually changed the time to the correct it, but I have not found anything to address this issue. Luckily it only happens every so often, but I would love to find out why...

Happens to me. Hours and minutes off.
If its off by 8 hours, I know to just fix it. If its off by 20 minutes, I'm late to class.
There's an app in the software recommended thread. SynchroTime. It's your only fix. When you see the time is incorrect, run it and it fixes itself. I have no idea why the time isn't synced to Tmobile's servers, or even an option for that.

i have the same issue, on AT&T as well
I am having the same issue on an AT&T phone. I have been all over the phone looking for a place where you tell the phone to sync to network time, with no luck. My laptop was off by four minutes, as well as my phone, so i believe it is an issue with syncing to the laptop, but i would prefer it sync to at&t.
Any ideas?

The only time I have observed TP2 to be off by one or two hours, was after running a GPS program, that was wrongly configured. The GPS application caused also a time change.

sirphunkee said:
I could have sworn there was a setting in activesync somewhere that would let you disable the time sync with the host PC...but I'm digging now and I can't find it anywhere in the menus on the phone or on the PC client.
I wouldn't be surprised though if there's a switch for that in the registry somewhere, I'll see if I can find anything that looks related...don't hold your breath though
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Thanks mate
If you find something please let me know
Cheers,
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Yeap has happened to me too. I'm using the stock ROM and it happened many times in the past. Actually what I observed was that the manilla clock was wrong (hours and minutes), while the windows clock was running ok. I have no idea how that's even possible.
I could not find out however the pattern of the above. I'm sure it has to be a manila thing though, cuz now that i have it disabled and using SPB mobile shell I have no similar incidents. It would be nice to know the fix though.

orb3000 said:
Thanks mate
If you find something please let me know
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I don't know if this is going to help, but I found this thread while searching for ideas on this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329080
Check it all out, but posts #7-9 in particular, that might be what you need, let me know if it helps in your case or not

hey guys.. i have this problem too. i have a sprint touch pro 2, and i installed energy rom this morning.
the clock is wrong because the time zone keeps changing to GMT when i live where it's supposed to be GMT +8
here's what i noticed:
1. for example, the exact time here is 8:30am, the phone always changes the time zone to GMT and using my local time, but the minutes are slightly off. (8:19am GMT) So when i change the time zone to +8, it becomes (4:19pm)
2. everytime i sync with my computer, the time corrects itself, and all i need to do on the phone is to change it to the correct time zone, and it's all fine.
3. the time becomes incorrect everytime i restart the phone, or turn flight mode off and back on.
4. when i remove the sim card and turn on the phone without the sim card, the time remains correct!
5. i concluded that it has something to do with the network. i went to settings->phone, and theres something there about time synchronization. unfortunately, i dont know why, but when i disable it on my energy rom, the time still updates.
6. i tried using the same sim on another windows mobile device. i turned on time sync on that device, and when i restarted the device, the time became incorrect also! but on this phone, when i turn off time sync, it obliges, unlike my touch pro 2.
7. the culprit here is the network. the phone syncs with the network's time, which is minutes early, and the time zone is set incorrectly.
why doesnt my touch pro 2 obey when i tell it not to sync time with the network?
i cant text because the time is messed up and the message gets lost in the recepient's mailbox.
i hope this gets resolved soon. i've been searching for a definite fix but i found none.

marvdmartian said:
hey guys.. i have this problem too. i have a sprint touch pro 2, and i installed energy rom this morning.
the clock is wrong because the time zone keeps changing to GMT when i live where it's supposed to be GMT +8
here's what i noticed:
1. for example, the exact time here is 8:30am, the phone always changes the time zone to GMT and using my local time, but the minutes are slightly off. (8:19am GMT) So when i change the time zone to +8, it becomes (4:19pm)
2. everytime i sync with my computer, the time corrects itself, and all i need to do on the phone is to change it to the correct time zone, and it's all fine.
3. the time becomes incorrect everytime i restart the phone, or turn flight mode off and back on.
4. when i remove the sim card and turn on the phone without the sim card, the time remains correct!
5. i concluded that it has something to do with the network. i went to settings->phone, and theres something there about time synchronization. unfortunately, i dont know why, but when i disable it on my energy rom, the time still updates.
6. i tried using the same sim on another windows mobile device. i turned on time sync on that device, and when i restarted the device, the time became incorrect also! but on this phone, when i turn off time sync, it obliges, unlike my touch pro 2.
7. the culprit here is the network. the phone syncs with the network's time, which is minutes early, and the time zone is set incorrectly.
why doesnt my touch pro 2 obey when i tell it not to sync time with the network?
i cant text because the time is messed up and the message gets lost in the recepient's mailbox.
i hope this gets resolved soon. i've been searching for a definite fix but i found none.
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marv, did you do a hard-reset right after installing that ROM? It's always a good practice, and a hard-reset is what ended up fixing this issue when it happened to me.

Found a solution that works for me
yup.. newly flashed rom.. and i hard reset a lot of times..
anyway.. i found a fix for it! i guess this is what many people around the forum are looking for. for some reason, the time synchronization setting in settings-phone doesnt seem to work.. i dont know why.. so i edited it through the registry..
go here:
HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL
and anything that says time sync or time zone sync, i changed it to 0. all is well now. and i'm so happy i found a fix myself.

marvdmartian said:
yup.. newly flashed rom.. and i hard reset a lot of times..
anyway.. i found a fix for it! i guess this is what many people around the forum are looking for. for some reason, the time synchronization setting in settings-phone doesnt seem to work.. i dont know why.. so i edited it through the registry..
go here:
HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL
and anything that says time sync or time zone sync, i changed it to 0. all is well now. and i'm so happy i found a fix myself.
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Great...I'm glad it worked for you. Thanks for sharing the solution!

now how do i tell everyone the solution? do i make a new hread? or will they just see this?..

marvdmartian said:
now how do i tell everyone the solution? do i make a new hread? or will they just see this?..
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Other than editing your post above to have a title like "Found a solution that works for me", that's all I know of. You could create a new post, but I would probably hold of on that until (if) you hear from other members that your method worked for them as well

oh alright..

this problem ocurs normally when you got your phone set to synchronize the time with your network,problem is that some network don't broadcast the right time sometimes.
you can disable it by looking in phone settings for network time tab and untick the box.
setting vary from from windows builds.
alternatively import the following reg setting to you registry;
HTML:
REGEDIT4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL]
"NITZEnable"=dword:00000000

GPS on Archos 101G9

anybody can use gps on archos 101g9? can't get no sat fix. app gpstest does not show any satellite. is this a further bug in ics?
running rooted ics 4.05 for sde (surdu_petru).

I have a Archos 80(same hardware though) and my GPS works fine on firmware 4.0.5
And if I may say so wow is it good, I get a GPS lock inside my house after about 20-30 seconds
Sent from my ice cream powered Nexus S

DarkhShadow said:
I have a Archos 80(same hardware though) and my GPS works fine on firmware 4.0.5
And if I may say so wow is it good, I get a GPS lock inside my house after about 20-30 seconds
Sent from my ice cream powered Nexus S
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mmh, where is my mistake? can't get gps lock with google maps, navigation and so on. car navigation is impossible. gps search is endless inhouse and outdoor
settings location + security:
"use wireless networks = off"
"use gps satellites = on"
"use location for google search = off"
edit:
found this in another forum
http://www.forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=64272
can anybody confirm?

Mine works great. I'm using 80g9. My archos is now my traveling/adventure teblet. I have two and like the screen size for jps etc in my jeep?
Sent from my ARCHOS 80G9 using Tapatalk

It's little bit mystic...
Hey guys,
last week i also thought about open up a thread related to GPS issues on the Gen9 series, because i had some trouble to get a fix as well.
I'm using an Archos 80 G9.
4carlos said:
mmh, where is my mistake? can't get gps lock with google maps, navigation and so on. car navigation is impossible. gps search is endless inhouse and outdoor
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The same with my device at first.
I used the rooted ICS 4.0.5 and GPS Status from the market and started some experiments.
There'd been no response from the GPS part at all.
After some time i used a serial port api tool to directly connect to ttyO0.
Though the GPS part uses some hex protocol i had been able to get a response from the chip, but it was not human readable.
So this way i made sure there's no hardware damage on my UART interface or GPS chipset.
Afterwards i did some hard resets and checked settings of the UART by typing:
Code:
stty -F /dev/ttyO0
I started to run GPS Status again and also deleted my AGPS data by using the tools menu. Then i changed GPS Status setup to stay active and prevent device from sleep.
I took a while, but then the first satellite came in sight, still no fix.
Next day i did the same after some time more and more satellite where seen, but still no fix.
I restarted my device again to boot stock firmware.
Same again... more and more satellites became visible... but then... suddenly a fix. In fact it took very very long and i'm not very satisfied with the situation.
After i re-booted to rooted firmware again i was able to get a fix here as well.
The signal reception is still far from being nice though.
Try to get a fix with stock firmware first, then reboot and check again with rooted firmware.
4carlos said:
settings location + security:
"use wireless networks = off"
"use gps satellites = on"
"use location for google search = off"
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Should be no problem with this setup.
AFAIK, these three settings address different services.
GPS should be set of course.
4carlos said:
http://www.forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=64272
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Nice thread, but people start to mix things up at some point.
Though the GPS and location service on Android OS is quite mystic, i'll try to concentrate on some facts.
Hardware:
- NL5550 chipset used on Archos Gen9 is up to date and not that bad
(merged into WL1283 chipset, see http://www.murata-ws.com/com7.htm)
- Due to hugh shielding areas, GPS reception is not the best with tablets (if compared to handsets).
- GPS antenna and position of the antenna seems to be problematic
Software:
- Firmware setup changed form HC to ICS
- size of the patch file for the chip had grown in ICS
(mabye they wanted to make thinks better, but they got worse)
So what could be done...
Hardware:
- I started searching for a better antenna to be placed in the housing
(e.g. helical/helix antenna)
- Place a HF-connector on the mainboard to use an external antenna
Software:
- Extract the firmware files from HC and try this setup for ICS
- try to find other devices based on the navilink chipset and compare their firmware setup
Basically GPS works on ICS and things in fact are not related to ICS itself.
Some firmware tweaks might be the cause of these issues.
The basic construcion of the hardware could have some side-effects on this as well.
Some people seem to have no trouble at all, so at least GPS reception is of course little bit depended on the weather and the area you live in.
I may post the HC firmware files here, if you like to try the HC setup on your device.
Cheers,
scholbert

GPS lib loops
Hi,
I can ONLY get my GPS to lock on if the wifi and location services are enabled and working.
This is because, the gpslib tries to speed up the lock and position information by going out on the internet and firstly fetch the time from the main European ntp server.
Looking at the system logs, it appears to get into an infinite loop waiting for a time update.
Therefore my gps WILL NEVER WORK if actuated with NO wifi.
However..... If I start the GPS application, (I am using mmaps) with the wifi on and the locaation services on I get a good lock, with 10-12 satellites with the Archos INSIDE my house, within a few minutes. (There is nothing wrong with the sensitivity of the GPS engine!)
If I then stop the app and turn off the Wifi and location serves and restart the app it will get a lock in a few seconds and stay working until I power down the Archos.
This is OK apart from the problem that I want to use the Archos in my car with no wifi.
cheers
Patrick

Hey superpat999!
superpat999 said:
I can ONLY get my GPS to lock on if the wifi and location services are enabled and working.
This is because, the gpslib tries to speed up the lock and position information by going out on the internet and firstly fetch the time from the main European ntp server.
Looking at the system logs, it appears to get into an infinite loop waiting for a time update.
Therefore my gps WILL NEVER WORK if actuated with NO wifi.
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Yes, thanks for pointing at this.
Try to disable automatic time sync in time & date settings menu and check again.
You should definitely get a fix without setting the other location services or having wifi enabled all the time.
superpat999 said:
However..... If I start the GPS application, (I am using mmaps) with the wifi on and the locaation services on I get a good lock, with 10-12 satellites with the Archos INSIDE my house, within a few minutes. (There is nothing wrong with the sensitivity of the GPS engine!)
If I then stop the app and turn off the Wifi and location serves and restart the app it will get a lock in a few seconds and stay working until I power down the Archos.
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O.k. this is also very helpful information. I must admit that sensitivity is not that bad, but could be further improved... that's why i also talked about hardware in my last post.
superpat999 said:
This is OK apart from the problem that I want to use the Archos in my car with no wifi.
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As stated above... getting a fix without wifi should work, i'm pretty sure.
Thanks again for this detailed descriptions!
Regards,
scholbert

big thanks for descriptions!
seems like a complicated science for a simple functionality
my older external sirf 3 receiver need only 5 minutes for sat fix after cold start (very cloudy!) and 10 up to 15 seconds in warm state. i wonder why the archos is much slower.
ok, i will give a new chance an try it again and again and again...and report later.
regards,
4carlos

Assisted GPS !!!!!
Hi,
Unfortunately The Archos uses assisted GPS
I am not allowed to post links yet so see:- the wikipedia entry for assisted GPS
The Archos "might" use the Qualcomm chipset "GPSONE" , I am not sure but a lot of phone makers use it:-
see the wikipedia entry for GPSONE
Like I said in a previous post in the other place, I wish Android tablets were not still so mobile phone centric.
cheers
P

superpat999 said:
The Archos "might" use the Qualcomm chipset "GPSONE" , I am not sure but a lot of phone makers use it:-
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Please refer to my post above:
Hardware:
- NL5550 chipset used on Archos Gen9 is up to date and not that bad
(merged into WL1283 chipset, see http://www.murata-ws.com/com7.htm)
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Archos uses TI NaviLink chipset. GPSONE is Qualcomm only and there's no Qualcomm chip inside our units.
TI NaviLink supports AGPS as well but it does not rely on that.
In other words even without assisted data you'll get a fix... sooner or later
Assisted GPS is always an option to get faster fix.
Did you try again with disabled automatic network time setting?
Regards,
scholbert

libgps loops!
Hi Scholbert
Thanks for correction re type of gps chip. Why I thought there was a GPSONE chip in the Archos was because the /etc/gps.conf uses the Qualcomm extra server site , see below.
However I still maintain there is an infinite loop in the ICS (or Archos modded) libgps. I have left the machine on for 8 hours and never got a lock without wifi.
I cannot post the /etc/gps.conf and the log here because I am too noob yet.
Instead have a look at my post here:-
forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=64272#p396064
regards
Patrick

Hey superpat999!
superpat999 said:
Thanks for correction re type of gps chip. Why I thought there was a GPSONE chip in the Archos was because the /etc/gps.conf uses the Qualcomm extra server site , see below.
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Yeah no problem, i'm a hardware addict... so if you need some info about the chips of G9 ask me
superpat999 said:
However I still maintain there is an infinite loop in the ICS (or Archos modded) libgps. I have left the machine on for 8 hours and never got a lock without wifi.
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I guess you're right... I made some further tests and must confirm, that i observed the same behaviour. This in fact is really annoying...
The GPS receiver receives satellite information (satellites can be "seen"), but there's no fix without beeing connected to the networks.
This is acceptable. We should contact the Archos developer's, especially user courville who has joined this forum for bug fixing.
He's an employee of Archos and one of the chief developer's, very friendly and helpful as well!
superpat999 said:
forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=64272#p396064
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Had a view at this thread and read your posting.
If the described behaviour is compiled in the lib, we can't fix it ourselfs.
Archos needs to fix this problem by tweaking the library.
If it is related to a setup option, we might easily fix it at least on a rooted device using a customized image.
Had anyone tried the 4.0.6. firmware test release yet... maybe GPS got fixed as well.
Regards,
scholbert

scholbert said:
If the described behaviour is compiled in the lib, we can't fix it ourselfs.
Archos needs to fix this problem by tweaking the library.
If it is related to a setup option, we might easily fix it at least on a rooted device using a customized image.
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Since GPS is integrated into wlan chip it may be necessary to power on wifi to power on also GPS part.
scholbert said:
Had anyone tried the 4.0.6. firmware test release yet... maybe GPS got fixed as well.
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On 4.0.6 GPS works exactly the same.
Some observations (GPS Test)
-it takes quite a while to aquire lock even with "fresh" aGPS data
-lock is not stable- it likes to dissapear even if I don't move tablet
-catching new sattelites "unlocks" the lock
-accuracy seems poor- GPS Test didn't report anything less than 80 meters (Xperia Arc S in the same spot has <20m)

I get a lock within 10 seconds with my G9 inside my house. The accuracy has gotten down to under 4 meters. On my particular tablet, it works fantastic. I never had to clear AGPS data. I think this is luck of the draw. Some work great, some not.
My ASUS TF101 has all the issues you guys describe. Unreliable and slow. Most people with the TF101 do not have my issue.
My wife's LG Optimus One GPS works great, locks in under 20 seconds and never unlocks. My Samsung Galaxy Ace struggles to get a lock but can maintain it once lock is achieved.
All these devices are running different Android versions so I agree that it is not a software issue. I tend to believe it is the fact some get better build quality antennas than others making some of the same devices work better than their twins.

i have tested copilot on 3 different archos G9 80s. All have gotten a lock in my house. I have tested one while driving to work and it maintains the lock.

anybody want an archos 101g9 ?????
hi,
i'm back here after testing my 101 and i'm not really lucky
thanks to all here first. i pursued the discussion with interest.
my archos did not work with gps at all!. i checked with gpstest and gps status apps indoor and outdoor several hours/days. no satellites found! nothing, zeroooooooooooo. clear sky, no clouds and NO satellites. i'm alone in the universe
what i did:
- device cold start (many times)
- switching on/off date and time from ntp server
- wifi on/off
- google location service on/off
no idea what happen. this is not my first archos. my older g8 had broken usb ports and was changed 2 times. the g9 freezes very often in cpu state "hotplug", run stable only with half speed and gps don't work. why gps need an internet connection?? i have no 3g stick in my tablet and no wifi in my car. yes, i can connect my phone with wifi tethering but sorry, that's not what i have planned. puuh archos, what do you think what customers tolerate. i love android, but the next tablet should be better an ipad
seems, there is a defect. how can i check my hardware before i put it in the trash?
thanks,
4carlos
by the way, my htc legend with froyo works great. it beams my to every point i wish!

Sorry to hear all you guys are having such problems with gps lock.
I have an original 8gb 9g classic. I have taken it through Honeycomb and up to the last ICS update. I have rooted it, over-clocked it and it has taken everything that I have thrown at it!
In every case, the gps has been first class. Using gpsstatus from the market, it locks on to 9 sats from inside my house within 30 seconds.
It was originally set to europe.pool in the gps.cfg file and I got a good lock with that. When I changed to rooted custom fw, I downloaded fasterfix from the market and used it to change the gps.cfg to uk.pool. This speeded up the lock and increased the number of sats to 11.
One thing that may help, has anyone tried toggling airplane mode on then off again. Whenever I install a new rom, on phone or tablet, I reboot the system at
least twice after setup and then toggle airplane on/off. This was an instruction in some roms that had wifi issues and I now do it as a matter of course.
It may be worth a try.
I use Co pilot live as satnav and it has never failed to lock on within seconds of being set up.

GPS on G9 still behaves strange...
First of all, thanks for posting your observations.
The GPS issue remains little mystic though
uphall said:
In every case, the gps has been first class. Using gpsstatus from the market, it locks on to 9 sats from inside my house within 30 seconds.
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I just got a fix within a minute, yesterday it was a no go!
The device actually needed a reboot before. What is responsible for this locking???
I got the fix by...
- deleting the AGPS data in the settings menu of GPStool
- setting the data update interval to never
- unchecked set system time from server in the device settings
- Wifi and 3G were disabled as well
So it's possible to get satelite fix without network connection.
But something may lock the interface. Afterwards it seems to be impossible to get a fix again... at least things get worse.
BTW, GPStool and the AGPS "framework" of the G9 use definitely different data bases for the assisted data. Maybe this causes locks as well...
So from what i can tell... disabling the AGPS function in GPStool definitely helped to get a fix.
uphall said:
It was originally set to europe.pool in the gps.cfg file and I got a good lock with that. When I changed to rooted custom fw, I downloaded fasterfix from the market and used it to change the gps.cfg to uk.pool. This speeded up the lock and increased the number of sats to 11.
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O.k. might try fasterfix... though it seems to set the timeserver to another domain... What else does it do?
We need more understanding of the mechanism in general.
Did anyone try the Gingerbread setup on ICS yet?
I may post the files here...
uphall said:
One thing that may help, has anyone tried toggling airplane mode on then off again. Whenever I install a new rom, on phone or tablet, I reboot the system at
least twice after setup and then toggle airplane on/off. This was an instruction in some roms that had wifi issues and I now do it as a matter of course.
It may be worth a try.
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Maybe it's worth a try but maybe it won't help anything.
As far as i can tell, a reboot certainly fixes some kind of lock on the interface.
But as long as we always guess there will be no improvement, nor we'll find the real reason for the missbehaviour.
uphall said:
I use Co pilot live as satnav and it has never failed to lock on within seconds of being set up.
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You lucky guy
Cheers,
scholbert

Scholbert
I can't find GPStool in the market - is that the correct name?
I would like to try your procedure to find out if my GPS is working at all.
Thx.
Don.

bufflehead said:
Scholbert
I can't find GPStool in the market - is that the correct name?
I would like to try your procedure to find out if my GPS is working at all.
Thx.
Don.
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i guess :
GPS Status & Toolbox (author EclipSim, can delete agps data)
also nice
GPS Test (author Chartcross Limited)
GPS Status (author espresso3389, nice graphical tool but only portrait mode)
btw.
upgrade to firmware 4.06 (fix for increasing gps stability) did not help in my case. only my problem has more stability now. still no satellites in sight. my htc legend shows a minimum of 5 satellites with the tools from above at my location (indoor) but still nothing with my archos. disappointing.
the better way is to check the gps functionality before rooting the tablet (loosing guarantee!). seems a weak point of tablet.
i'm searching for an external bt mouse. any recommendation? the mouse should be bought in germany.

Xtron PX5 TE706PL lock screen and wifi issue

Hi, new on here, looking for help for the following (searching found no solution):
Xtron TE706PL
PX5
Android Oreo 8.0
(let me know if you need more info)
1) A lock screen for the Xtron stock firmware (tried Nova launcher to no avail)
2) WiFi is intermittent (bluetooth is ok), it will work until the car is switched off and then when i switch it back on it stops randomly and won't find any wifi signals (tons in the area). I thought it may be some sort of 'sleep' setting, but it's set to always on under wifi settings. Usually a full reboot of the system activates it again, so possibly a software issue?

I've not seen the WiFi issue you speak of, but it's probably a configuration issue. Have you tried with your phone hotspot rather than random wifi hotspots dotted around?
No idea about a lock screen. Mine doesn't even offer that functionality. Quite frankly, I don't see why anyone would want one lol

skezza said:
I've not seen the WiFi issue you speak of, but it's probably a configuration issue. Have you tried with your phone hotspot rather than random wifi hotspots dotted around?
No idea about a lock screen. Mine doesn't even offer that functionality. Quite frankly, I don't see why anyone would want one lol
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There's tons of wifi's in the area, my mobile hotspot, my house + 7 other wifi signals. When it's working it picks all of them up, this is without moving. When it's working i can be on the move with my hotspot and it's ok, as soon as i turn the car off and go to start it again the wifi stops working. Xtron are sending a new aerial, but i do believe it's a software issue.
The lock screen would be ideal to secure the unit if it's stolen or whilst the car is being valeted. Even if an external finger print scanner can be programmed, it would be preferable. There must be something out there, would consider a custom firmware if need be.

300cnewbie said:
There's tons of wifi's in the area, my mobile hotspot, my house + 7 other wifi signals. When it's working it picks all of them up, this is without moving. When it's working i can be on the move with my hotspot and it's ok, as soon as i turn the car off and go to start it again the wifi stops working. Xtron are sending a new aerial, but i do believe it's a software issue.
The lock screen would be ideal to secure the unit if it's stolen or whilst the car is being valeted. Even if an external finger print scanner can be programmed, it would be preferable. There must be something out there, would consider a custom firmware if need be.
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It's definitely a software issue. No amount of aerials are going to fix that issue. I would update to the latest MCU and update.zip. Do you know how?
Wow, do you like live in the Bronx lol? You're aware if someone wants to steal the unit, they could easily factory reset it then your lock screen will do nothing. Not a clue on the external fingerprint scanner. No idea where you take your car to get it valeted either, but most of the time, you sit in the foyer watching while they do it. That is why they have a big glass window at garages/valet places etc.

skezza said:
It's definitely a software issue. No amount of aerials are going to fix that issue. I would update to the latest MCU and update.zip. Do you know how?
Wow, do you like live in the Bronx lol? You're aware if someone wants to steal the unit, they could easily factory reset it then your lock screen will do nothing. Not a clue on the external fingerprint scanner. No idea where you take your car to get it valeted either, but most of the time, you sit in the foyer watching while they do it. That is why they have a big glass window at garages/valet places etc.
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I believe the MCU is the latest version for GS installed MTCE_GS_V2.78_3
However, the android 8.0 version is 15th Jan 2018, which is old.
Reading on the forum, there's a post with android updates on the stock Rom up until March, however no new firmwares posted on there after then. But i know that there is June versions out there, do you know where they will be posted?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...5-mtcd-e-head-unit-discussion-thread-t3734189
Also regarding the lock screen, User Malaysk shows in his custom Rom that lock screen is activated, so it is possible. However, I'd prefer to try a stock Rom first to see if it fixes the WiFi issue, if it doesn't then i can return the unit to the seller. https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...-malaysk-roms-px5-2-4-gb-8-0-android-t3762724

Wifi issue is fixed by upgrading/changing MCU. Check out this post, https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=76666402&postcount=547
Try if you have latest version of MCU before trying with some other MCU.
As per this post, https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=76824916&postcount=772
Latest version MCU version for GS is, 2.84

smnrock said:
Wifi issue is fixed by upgrading/changing MCU. Check out this post, https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=76666402&postcount=547
Try if you have latest version of MCU before trying with some other MCU.
As per this post, https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=76824916&postcount=772
Latest version MCU version for GS is, 2.84
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Ah right, i can't find a download link, just someone saying that there's an update, can you find a download link anywhere?

I have the same problem of wifi with PB78ATTRP. I've just updated the MCU to v2.84 but nothing changed. Any solution?

giannnnn said:
I have the same problem of wifi with PB78ATTRP. I've just updated the MCU to v2.84 but nothing changed. Any solution?
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Not found a solution so just gunna return it. If you can't return yours, it may be worth trying a custom firmware like Malaysk rom

TV shows the wrong time

Hi,
I am in the UK. I have a Philips 48PFT5500 tv. For the last few years it has been displaying the correct time. But a few weeks ago started displaying the time as one hour ahead of the actual time (currently British Summer Time). Also the tv guide shows all the correct programmes but the timings are one hour ahead. I don't know what happened to cause this problem.
I checked the settings under "Settings/Region and Language/Auto Clock Mode", and it is set to "Automatic". I tried changing it to "Country Dependent" but it made no difference. Also I tried changing the tv guide data setting ("Settings/General Settings/Advanced/TV Guide") from "From the Broadcaster" to "From the Internet" but that made no difference to the displayed programme timings.
Does anybody know how I can get it to display the correct time?
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What time shows teletext, if any in this model?

It does have teletext. I tried it but unfortunately it is not working. The teletext page just shows a black screen with the page number at the top. I can change the page number but it doesn't show any text. I haven't tried the teletext for a long time so I don't know when it stopped working.

You can manually set the time. There is a manual about it. Site 72.

Thanks. I have manually set the time. Hopefully it will remain fairly accurate.
Strangely, in the manual it mentions that under "Auto Clock Mode > Country Dependent", there is a Daylight Saving option. However my TV does not have this option. Also the manual mentions that under "Region and Language > Clock", there is a Time Zone option. Again, my TV does not have this option.

This does not surprise me at all. Manufacturers sell different versions of the same model depending on the market. The manual is standard and/or often does not keep up with firmware changes.

Strangely, even if I manually set the time, it reverts to "Auto Clock Mode > Automatic".
I manually set the time a couple of days ago, but now it has re-set itself to Automatic, and is again one hour ahead of the actual time.

android_slave said:
Strangely, even if I manually set the time, it reverts to "Auto Clock Mode > Automatic".
I manually set the time a couple of days ago, but now it has re-set itself to Automatic, and is again one hour ahead of the actual time.
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Hi, my philips has been doing the same since i purchased it, i set the time and the next day its changed to 1 or 2 hours depending on the time zone, my hunch is that i have an iptv app that keeps changing the time itself, have you installed any apps since this time issue started?

I had a bit of a similar problem with my TCL smart tv before.
My auto sync date and time is always incorrect which blocks my Youtube app and if I set my date and time manually it will always reset to automatic after a power cycle.
In the end it fixed itself and my auto sync date and time became correct. I encountered the problem after I switched ISP so I think it originated and was also fixed in their system.

damien89 said:
Hi, my philips has been doing the same since i purchased it, i set the time and the next day its changed to 1 or 2 hours depending on the time zone, my hunch is that i have an iptv app that keeps changing the time itself, have you installed any apps since this time issue started?
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The only app I installed before this problem started was the Google Play Services app. (I still have the issue with the time on my TV.)

android_slave said:
The only app I installed before this problem started was the Google Play Services app. (I still have the issue with the time on my TV.)
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The problem may also be created by the device from which you get Internet on TV.