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Systemless root and systemless Xposed - Some questions

Hello,
at the moment I have a HTC 10 with normal root and xposed.
But I would like to have the option of installing OTA updates and I have some question:
- Is there any advantage between system and systemless root except OTA/Android Pay? Or is it still better to use system root?
- Can I still flash a custom kernel and other mods in TWRP?
- What do I need for systemless root and systemless xposed?
- Are there any disadvantages?
And it would be awesome if someone could give me a full guide how to do this.
I would start with flashing a RUU, but what should I do after that?
Thanks in advance!

I can't say anything about systemless Xposed, but I've been wondering about it. Main thing I want to know is if it will play nice with Android Pay. Right now, I'd rather have Android Pay than Xposed, but I'd like both.
As for systemless root, yes, you can still flash custom kernels thru TWRP. I'm running @flar2's Elemental X and have run them both successfully on LeeDroid and Venom. Some mods may have to have some special prep if they're not baked into a rom, such as AdAway, to work properly with systemless root.
The disadvantages to systemless root, to this point have been you can't run Xposed on it (not sure how it works now), and root is broken on some poorly coded apps, like ES File Explorer.
The easiest way to install systemless root now is just to install a rom. Put TWRP on and pick a rom. Both LeeDroid and Viper have options for systemless root. You're up and working out of the box with nothing special to do.

Superguy said:
I can't say anything about systemless Xposed, but I've been wondering about it. Main thing I want to know is if it will play nice with Android Pay. Right now, I'd rather have Android Pay than Xposed, but I'd like both.
As for systemless root, yes, you can still flash custom kernels thru TWRP. I'm running @flar2's Elemental X and have run them both successfully on LeeDroid and Venom. Some mods may have to have some special prep if they're not baked into a rom, such as AdAway, to work properly with systemless root.
The disadvantages to systemless root, to this point have been you can't run Xposed on it (not sure how it works now), and root is broken on some poorly coded apps, like ES File Explorer.
The easiest way to install systemless root now is just to install a rom. Put TWRP on and pick a rom. Both LeeDroid and Viper have options for systemless root. You're up and working out of the box with nothing special to do.
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Have a look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-systemless-xposed-t3388268
That's the reason why I'm asking - OTA is working, but Android Pay not (for me it doesn't matter. I never used android pay).
But I want to stay on Stock ROM, no Custom ROMs. I just want the ability to download and install OTA updates.
Edit: Well, I see that I still need stock recovery for OTA updates. It doesn't make sense to install systemless root, because I have stock system-image backup and stock recovery.
Is there any advantage between system and systemless root except OTA/Android Pay? Or is it still better to use system root?

Maik268 said:
Have a look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-systemless-xposed-t3388268
That's the reason why I'm asking - OTA is working, but Android Pay not (for me it doesn't matter. I never used android pay).
But I want to stay on Stock ROM, no Custom ROMs. I just want the ability to download and install OTA updates.
Edit: Well, I see that I still need stock recovery for OTA updates. It doesn't make sense to install systemless root, because I have stock system-image backup and stock recovery.
Is there any advantage between system and systemless root except OTA/Android Pay? Or is it still better to use system root?
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I am in the same position, just got the phone and want to install systemless root, systemless xposed and systemless Adaway... Mainly the reason I want this is because I dont want to s-off (you cant flash newer firmwares that come with updates) or I dont want to restore system and performing update after that... I just want stock rom with elementalx and those xposed goodies I want it so that when I get a notification about update, I dont need to backup anything, flash anything, just install update regularly like all normal people BUT still after update have root and xposed
I think its possible, but I have to do a little research before I get on with it.. Now first step is unlock bootloader

CrazyCypher said:
I am in the same position, just got the phone and want to install systemless root, systemless xposed and systemless Adaway... Mainly the reason I want this is because I dont want to s-off (you cant flash newer firmwares that come with updates) or I dont want to restore system and performing update after that... I just want stock rom with elementalx and those xposed goodies I want it so that when I get a notification about update, I dont need to backup anything, flash anything, just install update regularly like all normal people BUT still after update have root and xposed
I think its possible, but I have to do a little research before I get on with it.. Now first step is unlock bootloader
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Even with systemless root you have to restore stock recovery to use OTA updates
Well, I have a look at this next weekend when I have some more time.
Or I just try a custom ROM... :laugh:

Maik268 said:
Even with systemless root you have to restore stock recovery to use OTA updates
Well, I have a look at this next weekend when I have some more time.
Or I just try a custom ROM... :laugh:
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Yes but the amazing thing is that after you flash everything you want, you can immediately restore stock recovery and have stock recovery all the time after you have everything systemless
Then if you want to flash something you flash TWRP.. otherwise you just leave re-flashed stock recovery

CrazyCypher said:
Yes but the amazing thing is that after you flash everything you want, you can immediately restore stock recovery and have stock recovery all the time after you have everything systemless
Then if you want to flash something you flash TWRP.. otherwise you just leave re-flashed stock recovery
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Hello, I will receive my HTC 10 on Friday, and I all I want is to root and install Xposed Framework (A kernel would be nice too, but it's not a must) but I do want to receive OTA's and not having to flash the Rom each time that I want to update...
So if I root my phone Systemless, will I be able to Install Xposed (and a kernel) so when I receive an OTA, I just flash the stock kernel and install the update, then flash twrp again, without losing root or my data?
If so, how do I systemless root?
Thanks! :good:

Help With Installing OTA, Root, Xposed, TWRP, and a Process For Future OTAs!

I'm trying to install the new OTA that was just released while keeping Xposed, Root, and TWRP and coming up with a process for the future to apply each OTA going forward without dealing with the mess I'm dealing with now. Any and all help is appreciated . I'm very strong and comfortable with using fastboot commands and flashing and just need someone to help me wrap my head around the process of doing this and step by step instructions of achieving my goal. So currently I have downloaded the new OTA_PERFUME_WL_M60_SENSE80GP_VZW_NA_Gen_Unlock_1.80.617.1_R-1.53.617.5_release_480240aw6u8xea6328m583.zip file. I have the latest TWRP installed on my phone, I have the latest Systemless Root zip (BETA-SuperSU-v2.74-2-forceencrypt.zip), as well as the latest Systemless Xposed zip (Xposed-v85.6-sdk23-systemless.zip). I have also downloaded the TWRP clean system Backup 1.53.617.5_twrp.zip. My phone is a T-Mobile HTC 10 that I've converted into a US Unlocked model by S-Offing it, changing the CID to the super CID (11111111), and installed the 1.53.617.5 RUU. I tried doing different steps on different guides here and now my phone is all sorts of messed up. Root isn't working 100% (es file explorer fails when trying to toggle on root explorer, but fx explorer works fine), and Xposed is broken (modules don't work, Xposed app saying no framework found even though I've flashed it). Can someone help me with what I should do to be able to install the OTA, root, have Xposed, and keep TWRP so that way in the future, I can apply and OTA and keep the rest?
Thanks!

wschamps42 said:
I'm trying to install the new OTA that was just released while keeping Xposed, Root, and TWRP and coming up with a process for the future to apply each OTA going forward without dealing with the mess I'm dealing with now. Any and all help is appreciated . I'm very strong and comfortable with using fastboot commands and flashing and just need someone to help me wrap my head around the process of doing this and step by step instructions of achieving my goal. So currently I have downloaded the new OTA_PERFUME_WL_M60_SENSE80GP_VZW_NA_Gen_Unlock_1.80.617.1_R-1.53.617.5_release_480240aw6u8xea6328m583.zip file. I have the latest TWRP installed on my phone, I have the latest Systemless Root zip (BETA-SuperSU-v2.74-2-forceencrypt.zip), as well as the latest Systemless Xposed zip (Xposed-v85.6-sdk23-systemless.zip). I have also downloaded the TWRP clean system Backup 1.53.617.5_twrp.zip. My phone is a T-Mobile HTC 10 that I've converted into a US Unlocked model by S-Offing it, changing the CID to the super CID (11111111), and installed the 1.53.617.5 RUU. I tried doing different steps on different guides here and now my phone is all sorts of messed up. Root isn't working 100% (es file explorer fails when trying to toggle on root explorer, but fx explorer works fine), and Xposed is broken (modules don't work, Xposed app saying no framework found even though I've flashed it). Can someone help me with what I should do to be able to install the OTA, root, have Xposed, and keep TWRP so that way in the future, I can apply and OTA and keep the rest?
Thanks!
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I am also just starting this procedure... Just bought my 10 today, and I am starting slowly.. All I know is that if you dont change anything in /system directory and have stock recovery, OTAs perform fine.
So my plan is unlock bootloader, flash TWRP, root, flash ElementalX, install xposed and after that flash stock firmware. Both SuperSU AND Xposed should be systemless. I know that AdAway can also be systemless, but I have to figure out everything beucase I just charged and turn on the phone

Download Xposed for Material Design... I had the same issue with the "framework not found" error.

civicdelslow said:
Download Xposed for Material Design... I had the same issue with the "framework not found" error.
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Yeah I've downloaded the latest. Now I have an Xposed is installed but not active error :-/

The last version (85.6) doesn't work that well. It's better to install version 85.5 which works fine.

Temporary unroot?

Dear all,
I have my Z1C on the latest FW with Dual Recovery and root (SuperSU) but locked bootloader. Now, some apps will not run when they detect root. Can I "unroot" the phone in a convenient way and "re-root" when needed? Without using King Root and while keeping all my data etc.?
Cheers,
Ben

If you are willing to use Xposed, you can use a module called "RootCloak" which is used for hidding root from such apps which don't work unless your phone is not rooted.

BagOfLemon said:
If you are willing to use Xposed, you can use a module called "RootCloak" which is used for hidding root from such apps which don't work unless your phone is not rooted.
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Thanks. So Xposed works with Dual Recovery/locked bootloader?
I was hoping I could just uninstall SuperSU and re-flash it in TWRP to re-gain root.

nurunet said:
Thanks. So Xposed works with Dual Recovery/locked bootloader?
I was hoping I could just uninstall SuperSU and re-flash it in TWRP to re-gain root.
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I think it works with Dual Recovery, I'm not entirely sure though, same for Lock/Unlock BL but it should not impact how it works.
Also there is an option in several app for Root to disable it (Completely but you can re-enable it very easily)

BagOfLemon said:
Also there is an option in several app for Root to disable it (Completely but you can re-enable it very easily)
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There is in the version of SuperSU I am using, but it doesn't seem to work for the banking app I tried. Root cloak reportedly works for it, but I was unsure if Xposed would work with my config and did not want to risk a boot loop or similar.

nurunet said:
There is in the version of SuperSU I am using, but it doesn't seem to work for the banking app I tried. Root cloak reportedly works for it, but I was unsure if Xposed would work with my config and did not want to risk a boot loop or similar.
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It should work independently of your recovery so no worries. You can still download the zip to uninstall in case of something gone wrong or do a Nandroid backup to be sure

BagOfLemon said:
It should work independently of your recovery so no worries. You can still download the zip to uninstall in case of something gone wrong or do a Nandroid backup to be sure
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I guess I'll try this WE.

I tried it. In SuperSU settings I chose permanent unroot, rebooted, and voilà: The banking app worked. Then I flashed the latest SuperSU in TWRP, and root was back. Neat!

Order of operations (unlock, kernel, twrp, root, suhide)?

VZW Pixel on the way. I have ADB & fastboot ready through Android Studio SDK. dePixel8 downloaded. Just want to check the best order of operations here (spans multiple things):
1. Run dePixel8 to unlock bootloader
2. OTA update to 7.1.1
3. Boot to TWRP, install recovery
4. Boot-to-root
5. Flash ElementalX kernel, install kernel manager (root ver.)
5.5. Full unroot SuperSU?
6. Delete fstab.marlin in TWRP
7. Flash SuperSU 2.79 stable, systemless
8. Patch libandroid files, flash suhide, add apps to blacklist
Upon this, I should have my Pixel XL running Android 7.1.1, TWRP recovery, ElementalX kernel, Root, with SafetyNet fooled and Android Pay working... right? Should I do anything in a different order/way?

If I stop after step 5.5 I won't have root, but will have AP working I assume? Is 5.5 necessary if I do the remaining steps?

JU57US said:
VZW Pixel on the way. I have ADB & fastboot ready through Android Studio SDK. dePixel8 downloaded. Just want to check the best order of operations here (spans multiple things):
1. Run dePixel8 to unlock bootloader
2. OTA update to 7.1.1
3. Boot to TWRP, install recovery
4. Boot-to-root
5. Flash ElementalX kernel, install kernel manager (root ver.)
5.5. Full unroot SuperSU?
6. Delete fstab.marlin in TWRP
7. Flash SuperSU 2.79 stable, systemless
8. Patch libandroid files, flash suhide, add apps to blacklist
Upon this, I should have my Pixel XL running Android 7.1.1, TWRP recovery, ElementalX kernel, Root, with SafetyNet fooled and Android Pay working... right? Should I do anything in a different order/way?
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3 Make sure it is TWRP RC1
4 No, boot to root is dead after 7.1. Use 2.79 SR3 for all of this. And skip 4 anyway, in unneeded.
5.5 Here is where you flash 2.79 SR3. To be clear, you install it via TWRP.
6 Unneeded with the 2.79 SR3
And I doubt suhide will hide root, my understanding is that it currently does not. But I don follow it very closely.1

My understanding was that suhide works with the libandroid patches, but only with 2.79 stable, and not RC1+
Also, question... if flashing ElementalX isn't it recommended to have root before flashing, or does it not really matter?

JU57US said:
VZW Pixel on the way. I have ADB & fastboot ready through Android Studio SDK. dePixel8 downloaded. Just want to check the best order of operations here (spans multiple things):
1. Run dePixel8 to unlock bootloader
2. OTA update to 7.1.1
3. Boot to TWRP, install recovery
4. Boot-to-root
5. Flash ElementalX kernel, install kernel manager (root ver.)
5.5. Full unroot SuperSU?
6. Delete fstab.marlin in TWRP
7. Flash SuperSU 2.79 stable, systemless
8. Patch libandroid files, flash suhide, add apps to blacklist
Upon this, I should have my Pixel XL running Android 7.1.1, TWRP recovery, ElementalX kernel, Root, with SafetyNet fooled and Android Pay working... right? Should I do anything in a different order/way?
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Make sure before you power on you take the SIM card out. Then during the setup SKIP connecting to Wi-Fi. Then once you're through the setup unlock with dePixel8.
Take OTA update
Fastboot boot twrp RC 1 IMG
Install Twrp RC 1 zip from within twrp
Boot phone up then reboot to recovery
Flash SU 2.79 SR 3
Flash kernel if you want
Reboot
Don't use any other versions of twrp or SU. Also make sure your platform tools are completely up to date. Google also just released a separate download of them so grab those and you know for sure you're up to date

JU57US said:
My understanding was that suhide works with the libandroid patches, but only with 2.79 stable, and not RC1+
Also, question... if flashing ElementalX isn't it recommended to have root before flashing, or does it not really matter?
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I don't believe SUHide works even with the 2 libandroid replacements. That's what I have. I think I'll have better luck with RootSwitch. I'm working to come up with something similar to RootSwitch.

quangtran1 said:
I don't believe SUHide works even with the 2 libandroid replacements. That's what I have. I think I'll have better luck with RootSwitch. I'm working to come up with something similar to RootSwitch.
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There's a report in @Fenny's thread, here, about the files working on NMF26V stock for suhide.

JU57US said:
There's a report in @Fenny's thread, here, about the files working on NMF26V stock for suhide.
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I know, I've been following that and one off of that. I use fenny's instructions. However, those conversations gave me some ideas to attack this.

Root HTC10 Nougat 2.41.401.03

Hi guys,
I'm looking for a way to root my HTC10 Nougat 2.41.401.03. Could you give me some ideas what i'm gonna lose after root, notices and the link, please?
Thank you very much

unlock the bootloader using HTC Dev, flash the latest version of TWRP and then flash either SuperSU or Magisk (Magisk is a personal preference).
Just be wary that flashing a custom recovery and flashing either one of those will likely break the phones ability to update OTA.

silegeek said:
unlock the bootloader using HTC Dev, flash the latest version of TWRP and then flash either SuperSU or Magisk (Magisk is a personal preference).
Just be wary that flashing a custom recovery and flashing either one of those will likely break the phones ability to update OTA.
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Thank you , but would you mind send me the link of latest TWRP and Supersu, please ?

dvhuy95 said:
Thank you , but would you mind send me the link of latest TWRP and Supersu, please ?
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Flashable SuperSu
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/supersu/download/zip/SuperSU-v2.79-201612051815.zip
TWRP
https://eu.dl.twrp.me/pme/twrp-3.1.0-1-pme.img.html
Magisk
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk-v7-universal-systemless-t3473445
I think Magisk Root is better to have system less root, Android pay and snapchat works perfect, after flashing in magisk settings you have to turn on "magisk hide" and choose applications (android pay or snapchat and much more).

Hi, how can I install TWRP and then Magisk ?