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Systemless root and systemless Xposed - Some questions

Hello,
at the moment I have a HTC 10 with normal root and xposed.
But I would like to have the option of installing OTA updates and I have some question:
- Is there any advantage between system and systemless root except OTA/Android Pay? Or is it still better to use system root?
- Can I still flash a custom kernel and other mods in TWRP?
- What do I need for systemless root and systemless xposed?
- Are there any disadvantages?
And it would be awesome if someone could give me a full guide how to do this.
I would start with flashing a RUU, but what should I do after that?
Thanks in advance!

I can't say anything about systemless Xposed, but I've been wondering about it. Main thing I want to know is if it will play nice with Android Pay. Right now, I'd rather have Android Pay than Xposed, but I'd like both.
As for systemless root, yes, you can still flash custom kernels thru TWRP. I'm running @flar2's Elemental X and have run them both successfully on LeeDroid and Venom. Some mods may have to have some special prep if they're not baked into a rom, such as AdAway, to work properly with systemless root.
The disadvantages to systemless root, to this point have been you can't run Xposed on it (not sure how it works now), and root is broken on some poorly coded apps, like ES File Explorer.
The easiest way to install systemless root now is just to install a rom. Put TWRP on and pick a rom. Both LeeDroid and Viper have options for systemless root. You're up and working out of the box with nothing special to do.

Superguy said:
I can't say anything about systemless Xposed, but I've been wondering about it. Main thing I want to know is if it will play nice with Android Pay. Right now, I'd rather have Android Pay than Xposed, but I'd like both.
As for systemless root, yes, you can still flash custom kernels thru TWRP. I'm running @flar2's Elemental X and have run them both successfully on LeeDroid and Venom. Some mods may have to have some special prep if they're not baked into a rom, such as AdAway, to work properly with systemless root.
The disadvantages to systemless root, to this point have been you can't run Xposed on it (not sure how it works now), and root is broken on some poorly coded apps, like ES File Explorer.
The easiest way to install systemless root now is just to install a rom. Put TWRP on and pick a rom. Both LeeDroid and Viper have options for systemless root. You're up and working out of the box with nothing special to do.
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Have a look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-systemless-xposed-t3388268
That's the reason why I'm asking - OTA is working, but Android Pay not (for me it doesn't matter. I never used android pay).
But I want to stay on Stock ROM, no Custom ROMs. I just want the ability to download and install OTA updates.
Edit: Well, I see that I still need stock recovery for OTA updates. It doesn't make sense to install systemless root, because I have stock system-image backup and stock recovery.
Is there any advantage between system and systemless root except OTA/Android Pay? Or is it still better to use system root?

Maik268 said:
Have a look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-systemless-xposed-t3388268
That's the reason why I'm asking - OTA is working, but Android Pay not (for me it doesn't matter. I never used android pay).
But I want to stay on Stock ROM, no Custom ROMs. I just want the ability to download and install OTA updates.
Edit: Well, I see that I still need stock recovery for OTA updates. It doesn't make sense to install systemless root, because I have stock system-image backup and stock recovery.
Is there any advantage between system and systemless root except OTA/Android Pay? Or is it still better to use system root?
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I am in the same position, just got the phone and want to install systemless root, systemless xposed and systemless Adaway... Mainly the reason I want this is because I dont want to s-off (you cant flash newer firmwares that come with updates) or I dont want to restore system and performing update after that... I just want stock rom with elementalx and those xposed goodies I want it so that when I get a notification about update, I dont need to backup anything, flash anything, just install update regularly like all normal people BUT still after update have root and xposed
I think its possible, but I have to do a little research before I get on with it.. Now first step is unlock bootloader

CrazyCypher said:
I am in the same position, just got the phone and want to install systemless root, systemless xposed and systemless Adaway... Mainly the reason I want this is because I dont want to s-off (you cant flash newer firmwares that come with updates) or I dont want to restore system and performing update after that... I just want stock rom with elementalx and those xposed goodies I want it so that when I get a notification about update, I dont need to backup anything, flash anything, just install update regularly like all normal people BUT still after update have root and xposed
I think its possible, but I have to do a little research before I get on with it.. Now first step is unlock bootloader
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Even with systemless root you have to restore stock recovery to use OTA updates
Well, I have a look at this next weekend when I have some more time.
Or I just try a custom ROM... :laugh:

Maik268 said:
Even with systemless root you have to restore stock recovery to use OTA updates
Well, I have a look at this next weekend when I have some more time.
Or I just try a custom ROM... :laugh:
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Yes but the amazing thing is that after you flash everything you want, you can immediately restore stock recovery and have stock recovery all the time after you have everything systemless
Then if you want to flash something you flash TWRP.. otherwise you just leave re-flashed stock recovery

CrazyCypher said:
Yes but the amazing thing is that after you flash everything you want, you can immediately restore stock recovery and have stock recovery all the time after you have everything systemless
Then if you want to flash something you flash TWRP.. otherwise you just leave re-flashed stock recovery
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Hello, I will receive my HTC 10 on Friday, and I all I want is to root and install Xposed Framework (A kernel would be nice too, but it's not a must) but I do want to receive OTA's and not having to flash the Rom each time that I want to update...
So if I root my phone Systemless, will I be able to Install Xposed (and a kernel) so when I receive an OTA, I just flash the stock kernel and install the update, then flash twrp again, without losing root or my data?
If so, how do I systemless root?
Thanks! :good:

Official Android Nougat, phh Superuser, Magisk Mod

Hello all,
Yesterday I did what many did and upgraded to Nougat as soon as it dropped, using the "sign up for Android beta" method. I came from a bootloader unlocked, rooted Nexus 5x running the latest version of 6.0.1 with a few basic mods - AdAway, Viper4Android, ElementalX Kernel w/ profile manager, Cf.Lumen and Greenify.
In upgrading to Android 7.0, I first flashed the system, vendor, boot and recovery image from the most recent version of 6.0.1 to revert completely to unrooted stock before taking the OTA.
After reading about this new method of systemless root that also seems to allow Android Pay to work, I'm trying to wrap my head around it before trying, and wanted some of the wise minds of XDA to confirm my procedure.
Current Status-
Device: Nexus 5x
Build: Android 7.0 NRD90M
Unlock Status: Bootloader Unlocked
Root Status: Unrooted
Boot.img and Recovery.img: Stock
Procedure:
1. Download latest TWRP, boot device into fastboot mode, and "fastboot flash recovery [TWRP file]"
2. Navigate to TWRP Recovery, locate phh root .zip (already downloaded to device), Magisk mod and ElementalX kernel, flash these.
3. Once booted, follow directions in the Magisk thread to mount the desired mods (AdAway, Viper4Android, etc.) while still passing SafetyNet check, and Android Pay will continue to work.
Also, if I understand correctly, future system updates will be possible using FlashFire and the OTA .zip while maintaining root status and the modifications, since \system is not modified using this method.
Any confirmation/feedback is welcome!
Thanks,
Moonboots

Moonboots said:
Hello all,
Yesterday I did what many did and upgraded to Nougat as soon as it dropped, using the "sign up for Android beta" method. I came from a bootloader unlocked, rooted Nexus 5x running the latest version of 6.0.1 with a few basic mods - AdAway, Viper4Android, ElementalX Kernel w/ profile manager, Cf.Lumen and Greenify.
In upgrading to Android 7.0, I first flashed the system, vendor, boot and recovery image from the most recent version of 6.0.1 to revert completely to unrooted stock before taking the OTA.
After reading about this new method of systemless root that also seems to allow Android Pay to work, I'm trying to wrap my head around it before trying, and wanted some of the wise minds of XDA to confirm my procedure.
Current Status-
Device: Nexus 5x
Build: Android 7.0 NRD90M
Unlock Status: Bootloader Unlocked
Root Status: Unrooted
Boot.img and Recovery.img: Stock
Procedure:
1. Download latest TWRP, boot device into fastboot mode, and "fastboot flash recovery [TWRP file]"
2. Navigate to TWRP Recovery, locate phh root .zip (already downloaded to device), Magisk mod and ElementalX kernel, flash these.
3. Once booted, follow directions in the Magisk thread to mount the desired mods (AdAway, Viper4Android, etc.) while still passing SafetyNet check, and Android Pay will continue to work.
Also, if I understand correctly, future system updates will be possible using FlashFire and the OTA .zip while maintaining root status and the modifications, since \system is not modified using this method.
Any confirmation/feedback is welcome!
Thanks,
Moonboots
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Howdy sir! I'm still learning myself so I can't give you a great answer, but it's been a few weeks so I thought maybe you already gave this a shot? I'm looking to follow about the same process soon. I'm currently bootloader unlocked with TWRP loaded on Nougat (NRD90S on 5X).
How'd this go for ya?
Thanks!

Help With Root

I'm a little lost on Root for the Pixel XL. I am currently running unlocked with Screw'd ROM - 3.1.2-****ery-20170712-1454. This is a BETA, but has been running really smooth for the last 2 days.
Security Patch Level - July 5, 2017
Vendor - NJH47D
Last time I tried to apply root while running PureNexus the phone continued to boot loop and I had to eventually flashall.bat and start over.
1. What version of SuperSU should I be flashing? The latest and newest or is there other versions that work better?
2. What are the correct steps? Is wipe cache/dalvik necessary before? Do I need to install anything on the phone beforehand?
Boot to TWRP, Flash SuperSU, Reboot? Easy as that?
I see this version being talked about a lot - SR3-SuperSU-v2.79-SR320170114223742.zip, but it isn't the latest available that I can see. The SuperSU thread states to install the latest version and using google brings me to many versions of SuperSU.
Lastly, after rooting will apps like SnapChat work? If not how to you bypass this?

So I just found some information after searching more. Some of it is dated. I currently have twrp-pixel-installer-marlin-3.1.0-0RC2.zip version for TWRP installed.
Is RC1 needed for root, and with what SuperSU version. Or which combination of RC2 and SuperSU work together?

jws86 said:
So I just found some information after searching more. Some of it is dated. I currently have twrp-pixel-installer-marlin-3.1.0-0RC2.zip version for TWRP installed.
Is RC1 needed for root, and with what SuperSU version. Or which combination of RC2 and SuperSU work together?
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When I was rooted I initially was using RC1, I think my supersu was V2.8? And no Snapchat, Pokemon go, and Android pay, etc, will not work. So a little work around for Snapchat, you need to log in first then flash supersu, or just go with magisk and enable magisk hide to make life easier.

sakumaxp said:
When I was rooted I initially was using RC1, I think my supersu was V2.8? And no Snapchat, Pokemon go, and Android pay, etc, will not work. So a little work around for Snapchat, you need to log in first then flash supersu, or just go with magisk and enable magisk hide to make life easier.
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Is there a guide to Root with Magisk somewhere floating around?

jws86 said:
Is there a guide to Root with Magisk somewhere floating around?
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I believe it's the same as when you flash supersu, don't quote me on that

sakumaxp said:
I believe it's the same as when you flash supersu, don't quote me on that
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Yeah I found the guide. It seems I need to flash stock image first before. So Magisk gives you the ability to root first, then download apps such as snapchat and still login if you use magisk hide?

jws86 said:
Yeah I found the guide. It seems I need to flash stock image first before. So Magisk gives you the ability to root first, then download apps such as snapchat and still login if you use magisk hide?
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Correct, downloading isn't a problem, but it'll just prevent you from logging in since supersu, trips safetynet

sakumaxp said:
Correct, downloading isn't a problem, but it'll just prevent you from logging in since supersu, trips safetynet
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I read through this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/how-to/guide-stock-7-1-2-root-safetynet-ok-t3617347
Seems pretty straightforward, however currently I have a ROM installed I'm really liking. To do this I would have to flash back to stock image, then go through the root process. My question would be after rooting, if I went to flash Screw'd again, doesn't it wipe everything and I would lose root again, then just have to flash it after the ROM?

jws86 said:
I read through this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/how-to/guide-stock-7-1-2-root-safetynet-ok-t3617347
Seems pretty straightforward, however currently I have a ROM installed I'm really liking. To do this I would have to flash back to stock image, then go through the root process. My question would be after rooting, if I went to flash Screw'd again, doesn't it wipe everything and I would lose root again, then just have to flash it after the ROM?
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Myself I've never been on screwd before, I would assume so, but in my experience the pixel XL is more complicated than my previous phones

If you just want root you shouldn't need to flash the stock image again. You would need to do that if you wanted to flash a custom kernel but not for root. You need to download the modified version of Magisk for the Pixel XL. The official version doesn't work on the Pixels. I'm not currently rooted as I went back to stock but I was using Magisk. At that time the latest version wasn't stable but it might be fixed now. You need to boot into fastboot TWRP, flash the Magisk zip, flash the TWRP zip and then boot up. After you are booted up you install the Magisk Manager app. The tricky thing is installing the right version of Magisk Manager that works properly with the unofficial build of Magisk that you are using. You can get more information in the Resurrection Remix rom thread which for some reason is the official place where the modified version of Magisk is hosted if you can't find good info about which combination of unofficial Magisk and Magisk Manager you should be using. Also when I used Magisk you needed to enable core only mode for it to pass Safety Net but that may no longer be the case. You should be able to find the most up to date info either in the thread you cited or the RR rom thread. Just remember that official builds of Magisk do not work on the Pixel. You need to stick with one of the unofficial builds.

jhs39 said:
If you just want root you shouldn't need to flash the stock image again. You would need to do that if you wanted to flash a custom kernel but not for root. You need to download the modified version of Magisk for the Pixel XL. The official version doesn't work on the Pixels. I'm not currently rooted as I went back to stock but I was using Magisk. At that time the latest version wasn't stable but it might be fixed now. You need to boot into fastboot TWRP, flash the Magisk zip, flash the TWRP zip and then boot up. After you are booted up you install the Magisk Manager app. The tricky thing is installing the right version of Magisk Manager that works properly with the unofficial build of Magisk that you are using. You can get more information in the Resurrection Remix rom thread which for some reason is the official place where the modified version of Magisk is hosted if you can't find good info about which combination of unofficial Magisk and Magisk Manager you should be using. Also when I used Magisk you needed to enable core only mode for it to pass Safety Net but that may no longer be the case. You should be able to find the most up to date info either in the thread you cited or the RR rom thread. Just remember that official builds of Magisk do not work on the Pixel. You need to stick with one of the unofficial builds.
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I think I got which versions of magisk and magisk manager I need to use from the other thread I had posted earlier. This helps to clear some things up for me though. I have both the .apk and the zip on my phone now. Getting a bit of a charge and I guess I'll go ahead and try it.

It worked, I'm officially rooted .Thanks for the help!

jws86 said:
It worked, I'm officially rooted .Thanks for the help!
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Cool.

Magisk installed on androidO but can't installed modules?

I successfully installed magisk by flash zip in twrp but fail to install modules.Is it because the module isn't for Oreo or because of the magisk framework?

FrostL4 said:
I successfully installed magisk by flash zip in twrp but fail to install modules.Is it because the module isn't for Oreo or because of the magisk framework?
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How do you istaled my friend share your metod!!!

caballon said:
How do you istaled my friend share your metod!!!
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I just flashed it through twrp.Maybe it has something to do with kernel elementalx that i have already installed. Even though magisk was successfully installed i can't open the manager sometimes and as you see i can't use any of its modules.
I do hope this will help.

I'm new to XL. From Magisk author in last post of this thread, XL isn't supported
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk-v7-universal-systemless-t3473445/page3
I used Magisk on 6P with Oreo....works great and easy. Not sure if it's ready for XL yet. I still have to unlock and then choose recovery method and root method. Although some are flashing trial TWRP versions, it seems that fastboot TWRP is still safest and mainstream method?
Then to root. It seems Chainfire SU is preferred method and it has SU hide option if you want Android pay? He does say the suhide method is probably temporary...
Do I have this right?

akenis said:
I'm new to XL. From Magisk author in last post of this thread, XL isn't supported
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk-v7-universal-systemless-t3473445/page3
I used Magisk on 6P with Oreo....works great and easy. Not sure if it's ready for XL yet. I still have to unlock and then choose recovery method and root method. Although some are flashing trial TWRP versions, it seems that fastboot TWRP is still safest and mainstream method?
Then to root. It seems Chainfire SU is preferred method and it has SU hide option if you want Android pay? He does say the suhide method is probably temporary...
Do I have this right?
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Thanks for your support.
Is there a flashing twrp version for pixel Oreo?Last time i checked there were only fastboot twrp.

FrostL4 said:
Thanks for your support.
Is there a flashing twrp version for pixel Oreo?Last time i checked there were only fastboot twrp.
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There are some RC versions, but it doesn't sound like they're ready for prime time yet.....like it takes 10 minutes to boot.

How to install magisk in Oneplus 5T?

I have a OnePlus 5T locked and unrooted phone having OxygenOS 5.1.7 installed. I am new to rooting and related kinds of stuff. Can someone help me to give some instructions to install Magisk in my device? I know the below steps, but at the same time, I am having some questions in my mind.
1. Unlock bootloader - I saw some commands here to unlock bootloader - https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74504347&postcount=4 - looks like these are outdated, last updated on Dec 2017. Are those work today also?
2. Install TWRP recovery - I heard that, OxygenOS 5.1.7 is having Project Treble supported. Can I use the same TWRP recovery mentioned in the above link?
3. Root using Magisk or SuperSU. What is the difference? What is systemless root? Anyway, I need to install Magisk Manager finally - Please suggest a way.
4. And the last one, How do I unroot my device if something goes wrong? Or is that possible?
5. I don't want to install any custom ROMs, I am fine with OOS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTpxvmwBruQ&t=193s
Most of your questions have been answered on xda, youtube, and reddit before. Please try searching before posting.

sarathsnair said:
I have a OnePlus 5T locked and unrooted phone having OxygenOS 5.1.7 installed. I am new to rooting and related kinds of stuff. Can someone help me to give some instructions to install Magisk in my device? I know the below steps, but at the same time, I am having some questions in my mind.
1. Unlock bootloader - I saw some commands here to unlock bootloader - https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74504347&postcount=4 - looks like these are outdated, last updated on Dec 2017. Are those work today also?
2. Install TWRP recovery - I heard that, OxygenOS 5.1.7 is having Project Treble supported. Can I use the same TWRP recovery mentioned in the above link?
3. Root using Magisk or SuperSU. What is the difference? What is systemless root? Anyway, I need to install Magisk Manager finally - Please suggest a way.
4. And the last one, How do I unroot my device if something goes wrong? Or is that possible?
5. I don't want to install any custom ROMs, I am fine with OOS.
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1. Yes the unlock commands remain the same till date.
2. Use the latest bluspark twrp which has the treble support, link mentioned is fine and if you need the direct link, its here
3. Use the latest Magisk as SU is a dead project now.
4. Whenever you want to unroot just dirty remove/uninstall all the mods, dirty flash the latest stock rom > Factory reset in recovery and lock the bootloader. I did a post here for the 6T and it should work the same way on 5T.
5. You can stay rooted on OOS no need of custom roms any more :good:
Let me know if you want to know anything else, Thanks.
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Funk Wizard said:
4. Whenever you want to unroot just dirty remove/uninstall all the mods, dirty flash the latest stock rom > Factory reset in recovery and lock the bootloader. I did a post here for the 6T and it should work the same way on 5T.
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What happens to the installed twrp recovery if I unroot?

sarathsnair said:
What happens to the installed twrp recovery if I unroot?
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Its replaced by stock recovery :good:

I got some more question too.
1.will I get official update from oneplus after my magisk root??
2.can I root my 5t with beta room ?
3.can I switch from beta to official and from official to beta once I rooted my device.
4.can I use confidential app like banking app.???

alisrovi said:
I got some more question too.
1.will I get official update from oneplus after my magisk root??
2.can I root my 5t with beta room ?
3.can I switch from beta to official and from official to beta once I rooted my device.
4.can I use confidential app like banking app.???
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1. Yes, but your phone will download the whole firmware at each update instead of the ota.
2. Yes
3. Yep you can.
4. Yes of course, but some apps will detect root. So you will have to use Magisk Hide (inside the Magisk Manager) to hide root from these apps.
Note : I didn't use OOS anymore but it seems to me that OOS overwrites root everytime you update, so keep in mind that you will have to reflash it everytime

alisrovi said:
I got some more question too.
1.will I get official update from oneplus after my magisk root??
2.can I root my 5t with beta room ?
3.can I switch from beta to official and from official to beta once I rooted my device.
4.can I use confidential app like banking app.???
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1- Yes, but you will recieve full sized zip (1.5+)GB automatically in rooted OOS. Incremental small sized ota won't work in case of root, and don't bother with it.
The downside of updating full whole zip is that you will loose root & twrp recovery after the update. So keep in mind, you will re-install both of them later.
2- I haven't tried beta, but i am sure yes
3- any switch between those requires clean flash in TWRP (wiping dalvik cache, cache, data, vendor and system). So, make sure to have backup in safe place.
4- yes, as long as you passed the safety net in Magisk. Magisk has a feature to hide root on certain apps of your choice, so you can use banking apps later
All my magisk installed whether in oos stable or custom roms, passed the safety net out of the box. So I haven't faced issues there.