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Capped at 2G by T-Mobile?

I bought 2x Samsung Galaxy Note 2 phones off newegg for $650 each. These are unlocked phones, specifically, this device:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16875176414
The data service for just about everyone I've tried sucks horribly. I decided to give T-Mobile a try since they offer 4G HSPA+ 42 in this area.
The person in the store says that I can buy prepaid sim cards. I wind up ordering them over the phone since they only cost $1 instead of $30 for a microsim if you order it that way. The website says I can get 2GB of 4G data per month for $60. I pay my $66 and change after tax.
Immediately, I notice I am getting crappy 2G / Edge comparable speeds. I call customer service and they tell me that because the phones are unlocked and not bought from T-Mobile that 2G / Edge is the maximum speed I can get and that 4G speeds are not possible without purchasing a phone direct from T-Mobile. Neither the person in the store, nor the person that sold me the sim over the phone mentioned this and they are refusing a refund.
Is there any truth to what they are saying about not being able to get 4G if I don't purchase direct from the service provider. Are there any work arounds?
I'm burning with rage right now.
Thanks,
-Bob

r0b126 said:
I bought 2x Samsung Galaxy Note 2 phones off newegg for $650 each. These are unlocked phones, specifically, this device:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16875176414
The data service for just about everyone I've tried sucks horribly. I decided to give T-Mobile a try since they offer 4G HSPA+ 42 in this area.
The person in the store says that I can buy prepaid sim cards. I wind up ordering them over the phone since they only cost $1 instead of $30 for a microsim if you order it that way. The website says I can get 2GB of 4G data per month for $60. I pay my $66 and change after tax.
Immediately, I notice I am getting crappy 2G / Edge comparable speeds. I call customer service and they tell me that because the phones are unlocked and not bought from T-Mobile that 2G / Edge is the maximum speed I can get and that 4G speeds are not possible without purchasing a phone direct from T-Mobile. Neither the person in the store, nor the person that sold me the sim over the phone mentioned this and they are refusing a refund.
Is there any truth to what they are saying about not being able to get 4G if I don't purchase direct from the service provider. Are there any work arounds?
I'm burning with rage right now.
Thanks,
-Bob
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They told you right about the Edge. Our phones don't use the band that T-Mobile uses for 3G.

what about 4G? and are there any work arounds for this? How is t-mobile selling the galaxy note 2 to its customers with the 4g service?
Are there any providers that offer faster than 2G / Edge for Galaxy Note 2?
Also, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875176414
I posted a bad link in the original thread earlier

Kno you will have to ... go with Att .. man and there prepaid is not as good as Tmoble ..... Blahhhhhhhhhh that sucks
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I use Straight Talk with AT&T and it has 3G. Thing is AT&T & ST are parting ways. You can only find Straight Talk AT&T Sim cards on Walmart.com & eBay now, and they're going fast. Straight will only be using T-Mobile and that will suck. I'll change so fast their heads will spin if they try to force me from AT&T to T-Mobile.

Although the International Note II's don't have same bands as Tmobiles HSPA+ and you normally will only get 2g/Edge, if you are one of the lucky ones in a TMobile refarmed area you should get HSPA.
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T-Mobile's version of the Note 2 has the HSPA+/4G band for their specific network which the N7105 doesnt have..
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Well A) you've bought an n7100 which doesn't support dc-HSDPA anyway so you'd only get up to 21 instead of 42mbps
B) you bought it without checking if it supports the radio bands you need for your carrier, which it doesn't, which is why you're only getting 2g speeds. It's nothing to do with t mobile capping you to 2g
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Immediately, I notice I am getting crappy 2G / Edge comparable speeds. I call customer service and they tell me that because the phones are unlocked and not bought from T-Mobile that 2G / Edge is the maximum speed I can get and that 4G speeds are not possible without purchasing a phone direct from T-Mobile. Neither the person in the store, nor the person that sold me the sim over the phone mentioned this and they are refusing a refund.
Is there any truth to what they are saying about not being able to get 4G if I don't purchase direct from the service provider. Are there any work arounds?
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Wow, lots of wrong information both there and in this thread.
This is a quick post so some of my numbers might be wrong, but here's the basics:
Two years ago, t-mobile's 3G/4G relied on the 1700 band, which the N7100 doesn't support.
To make a long story short, t-mobile is using 1700 for LTE, and moving their 3G onto the univerally supported 1900 band, which works on our N7100 and most international phones.
This is a gradual rollout. If your area has been 'moved', you'll get 3G. And by gradual I mean one tower at a time.
I don't think they expect full US 1900 3G till end of 2013.
It's only recently that NY had enough 1900 band support that I have now decided to move over to t-mobile.
we might not support 4200, I did some random spot testing and I think I was only getting 2100.
Previously, with my note 1, I had to dump t-mobile and go to AT&T which fully supports 1900.
- Frank

I went to Dallas the other day and brought the Tmobile sim with me. The my speed changed from E to H+ (sometimes 3G) and the data connection was considerably faster than 2g or 3g, but I frequently get a message stating, "You have lost data connectivity because y".... the rest of the message is cut off and I haven't found a way to read the entire thing because touching it brings me to a settings screen and trying to move the text by swiping or sliding clears the message.

Just a couple questions

Hello everyone so I just have to ask. I am strongly considering moving to T-Mobile from Verizon considering T's new promotions. Gonna go to the Note 3 if I do. So what I want to know is how is the development? Is anyone from the central Kentucky area or East Tennessee area (I travel between the two a lot.) How is the coverage, 4g coverage, 4g speed? Just doing some research before I make the jump. Any opinions is appreciated.
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Development is picking up. Tweaked by dwitherell is the best you can get.
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I think newer Verizon phones have SIM cards, not sure of details, but maybe you could get 1 month prepaid SIM from T-Mo and possibly test it? The problem with asking others is that a person on one side of town could have totally different coverage from the person across. In some less populated areas T-mo may have less coverage, but you can use WiFi calling and alleviate some problems that way.
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here for more info on using VZ phone on T-mo
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2570564

Use Verizon Note 4 on AT&T?

As Verizon is charging $700 compared to the 800+ at&t is charging for an off contract note 4 I was wondering if its possible to use the off contract verizon Note 4 on AT&T. I have a mobile share plan with AT&T with other lines still in contract so I can't easily switch to verizon or I would. Does anyone know?

danmanca said:
As Verizon is charging $700 compared to the 800+ at&t is charging for an off contract note 4 I was wondering if its possible to use the off contract verizon Note 4 on AT&T. I have a mobile share plan with AT&T with other lines still in contract so I can't easily switch to verizon or I would. Does anyone know?
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How would one use a CDMA device on a GSM network??

It was my understanding that all Verizon phones now had a SIM slot for LTE Compatibility? I assumed if the Sim slot was unlocked you'd be able to put an AT&T sim card in and configure carrier settings and get access but wanted to confirm?

Dr. Evo said:
How would one use a CDMA device on a GSM network??
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Most modern Verizon phones have GSM radios in it, and it's unlocked.
The problem with using Verizon's Note 4 on AT&T is LTE. They don't have the same radio, so you'd be stuck on AT&T's 3G.

This was the conversation I had with an AT&T rep today. She was convinced I could just buy the Note 4 from VZW at $699 and bring it over to AT&T... she didn't mention, nor did she seem to be aware that LTE would not work.

Yes well, it all depends on the ATT LTE Band that's in use in your area. I have a VZW S5 that's on ATT prepaid pulling LTE all day. Band 7 I believe.
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VZW phones generally have radios with some overlapping LTE band coverage with both ATT and TMO. AWS Band 4 I believe is used by all 3 carriers but not in all areas of the US.
Unfortunately VZW mainly uses Band 13 and ATT band 17 although supposedly Samsung devices have this enabled in the Hidden Menus but I have never gotten band 17 on ATT.
My 2 cents

Verizon's website says their model supports bands 4 and 13. The AT&T website says their model supports bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 17, 20, and 29. From what I remember, AT&T's primary LTE bands are 4 and 17 so if Verizon is being completely truthful and it doesn't support any other bands other than 4 and 13, your LTE coverage may be spotty or even completely non existent.

Verizon Note 4 is out now...
Anyone have a report yet?

I can confirm verizon note 4 is working on at&t & tmobile.
I just got my verizon note 4 today and i put my tmobile sim in it and i had to do apn settings and it worked fine the only problem is lte is not working it worked on hspa and my speeds were 6mb down and 2.5 mb up. Which is good for me.
But if u want to use lte u have to enable band 4 which is locked on verizon model. To enanble it u neef to root ur phone with chainfire root (it's the only method to root right now) but it will trip knox sensor and void ur warranty .
And same applies for at&t. No lte but 6mb on hsps looks good to me.

asjassar said:
I can confirm verizon note 4 is working on at&t & tmobile.
I just got my verizon note 4 today and i put my tmobile sim in it and i had to do apn settings and it worked fine the only problem is lte is not working it worked on hspa and my speeds were 6mb down and 2.5 mb up. Which is good for me.
But if u want to use lte u have to enable band 4 which is locked on verizon model. To enanble it u neef to root ur phone with chainfire root (it's the only method to root right now) but it will trip knox sensor and void ur warranty .
And same applies for at&t. No lte but 6mb on hsps looks good to me.
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Im using it right now on AT&T. Im getting HSPA+ but no LTE. For some reason I'm having trouble sending MMS though. Anyone know of any tweak I could make to the APN to get MMS working?
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asjassar said:
I can confirm verizon note 4 is working on at&t & tmobile.
I just got my verizon note 4 today and i put my tmobile sim in it and i had to do apn settings and it worked fine the only problem is lte is not working it worked on hspa and my speeds were 6mb down and 2.5 mb up. Which is good for me.
But if u want to use lte u have to enable band 4 which is locked on verizon model. To enanble it u neef to root ur phone with chainfire root (it's the only method to root right now) but it will trip knox sensor and void ur warranty .
And same applies for at&t. No lte but 6mb on hsps looks good to me.
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Im using it right now on AT&T. Im getting HSPA+ but no LTE. For some reason I'm having trouble sending MMS though. Anyone know of any tweak I could make to the APN to get MMS working?

cadorette said:
Im using it right now on AT&T. Im getting HSPA+ but no LTE. For some reason I'm having trouble sending MMS though. Anyone know of any tweak I could make to the APN to get MMS working?
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Im using it right now on AT&T. Im getting HSPA+ but no LTE. For some reason I'm having trouble sending MMS though. Anyone know of any tweak I could make to the APN to get MMS working?
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U just need to enter the right apn settings. I'm getting mms just fine on straight talk. My problem is that our phones support air view with pen and finger, and yet they buried the setting so deep we need root to access it and make it stick. I used nova launcher to access the setting but it turns back off once the phone is put to sleep. Stupid! Just let us decide If we want it or not!!!
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asjassar said:
I can confirm verizon note 4 is working on at&t & tmobile.
I just got my verizon note 4 today and i put my tmobile sim in it and i had to do apn settings and it worked fine the only problem is lte is not working it worked on hspa and my speeds were 6mb down and 2.5 mb up. Which is good for me.
But if u want to use lte u have to enable band 4 which is locked on verizon model. To enanble it u neef to root ur phone with chainfire root (it's the only method to root right now) but it will trip knox sensor and void ur warranty .
And same applies for at&t. No lte but 6mb on hsps looks good to me.
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So chainfire root will work for the Verizon Note 4?

zounduser said:
U just need to enter the right apn settings. I'm getting mms just fine on straight talk. My problem is that our phones support air view with pen and finger, and yet they buried the setting so deep we need root to access it and make it stick. I used nova launcher to access the setting but it turns back off once the phone is put to sleep. Stupid! Just let us decide If we want it or not!!!
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Finally have the APN set right to send/receive mms. Problem is anything over 1mb fails. Pics send and receive just fine but if for some reason the pic is say, 1048kb, the mms fails, everytime.
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cadorette said:
zounduser said:
U just need to enter the right apn settings. I'm getting mms just fine on straight talk. My problem is that our phones support air view with pen and finger, and yet they buried the setting so deep we need root to access it and make it stick. I used nova launcher to access the setting but it turns back off once the phone is put to sleep. Stupid! Just let us decide If we want it or not!!!
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Finally have the APN set right to send/receive mms. Problem is anything over 1mb fails. Pics send and receive just fine but if for some reason the pic is say, 1048kb, the mms fails, everytime.
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Try using messenger from play store. I couldn't get samsung messages working right for me. The only problem I have now is when I try to call from recent list the phone number is all messed up and tries to call the number as an international
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Got Messenger from the Play store, (the Google one) and had the same issue. So I closed it out and re-sent via Samsung messages and lo and behold it went through. I'm far from noob but not quite understanding the picky nature of sending the mms!
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cadorette said:
Got Messenger from the Play store, (the Google one) and had the same issue. So I closed it out and re-sent via Samsung messages and lo and behold it went through. I'm far from noob but not quite understanding the picky nature of sending the mms!
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At least you got it to work finally. :good:

Just ported my work number (verizon) to my personal account (ATT) and they let me keep my note 4. I used the APN settings for the ATT S5 and am getting around 10mbps/down and 2-5mbps/up. I'm not rooted yet but will be working on that to see if I can get LTE functional.
I use Hangouts for SMS so that was already working.
s5 settings I used...
forum.xda-developers.com/att-galaxy-s5/help/apn-settings-verizon-s5-att-t2851951/page2

I have a POS s3 mini as a work phone (att) I've put that Sim in my Verizon s4 and all was good. Traveling internationally put the att Sim in my vzw note 4 I get voice but not data connections.

goinovr said:
Just ported my work number (verizon) to my personal account (ATT) and they let me keep my note 4. I used the APN settings for the ATT S5 and am getting around 10mbps/down and 2-5mbps/up. I'm not rooted yet but will be working on that to see if I can get LTE functional.
I use Hangouts for SMS so that was already working.
s5 settings I used...
forum.xda-developers.com/att-galaxy-s5/help/apn-settings-verizon-s5-att-t2851951/page2
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So the Note 4 requires root to enable the service menus in order to enable the various bands available on the phone. Verizon has chosen to restrict this access. You need to modify the build.prop and the efs\carrier\hiddenMenu file. So until a root procedure is available the retail version is stuck with HSPA+, which isn't too bad I guess.
Working on my s5 I have made the changes but I am still figuring out how to exactly turn on the disabled bands. I am also hoping these modifications will apply to the Note 4 once root is available.
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narmstrong79 said:
I have a POS s3 mini as a work phone (att) I've put that Sim in my Verizon s4 and all was good. Traveling internationally put the att Sim in my vzw note 4 I get voice but not data connections.
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You have to modify the APN settings after you put the ATT sim in the VZW phone.
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB424489&cv=820

I'm wondering if anyone has tried flashing the phone with ATT's firmware. Perhaps this is a more benign method which, as a plus, would show ATT logos throughout the interface. I'm having a verizon note 4 given to me; I'm considering my options.

AT&T vs. StraightTalk Wireless

Does anyone know which of these two has the most or strongest coverage areas with 4G / 4G LTE in the USA? I'm asking because I'm currently using AT&T and their services cover just about every area I have been to. The 4G is awesome. But StraightTalk gives you 5 GB of high-speed data for just $45.00 /mo. while AT&T only offers 2 GB. Is StraightTalk's services as good as or better than AT&T's?

Straight talk uses 3 different networks for byop. Sprint,at&t, and T-Mobile networks. If youre using an at&t modeled phone on straight talk youre still using at&t network. If you brought a tmobile phone to them it would use t mobiles network. And same thing for sprint phones. But why not go to cricket? Im using my unlocked d851 on cricket which is also at&ts network. But i get 10gb LTE for 60 a month. Im definitely happy with it. I havent gone over my high speed limit yet. Ive been with cricket for 5 months now
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Gurren Lagann said:
Does anyone know which of these two has the most or strongest coverage areas with 4G / 4G LTE in the USA? I'm asking because I'm currently using AT&T and their services cover just about every area I have been to. The 4G is awesome. But StraightTalk gives you 5 GB of high-speed data for just $45.00 /mo. while AT&T only offers 2 GB. Is StraightTalk's services as good as or better than AT&T's?
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talksickisil said:
Straight talk uses 3 different networks for byop. Sprint,at&t, and T-Mobile networks. If youre using an at&t modeled phone on straight talk youre still using at&t network. If you brought a tmobile phone to them it would use t mobiles network. And same thing for sprint phones. But why not go to cricket? Im using my unlocked d851 on cricket which is also at&ts network. But i get 10gb LTE for 60 a month. Im definitely happy with it. I havent gone over my high speed limit yet. Ive been with cricket for 5 months now
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I see. It's good to know that 10 GB is good for a whole month. Did you know that StraightTalk also offers 10 GB / mo. for $55.00 /mo.? BTW, I decided to go with StraightTalk AT&T's services! I love AT&T!

No i didnt know that. Well maybe ill switch to them next month. I had a sprint phone i used with them a couple years ago. Do they still have a processing fee on bill payments? Because cricket is 60 dollars even. Ill def go for 55/ month straight talk. I just hope they dont give me a sim that uses t mobile network. Att is so much better in chicago area than tmo
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Thats super legit. I just checked straight talk .com i can just order a sim card thats att compatible since my phone is unlocked. Have you began your service yet?
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Gurren Lagann said:
Does anyone know which of these two has the most or strongest coverage areas with 4G / 4G LTE in the USA? I'm asking because I'm currently using AT&T and their services cover just about every area I have been to. The 4G is awesome. But StraightTalk gives you 5 GB of high-speed data for just $45.00 /mo. while AT&T only offers 2 GB. Is StraightTalk's services as good as or better than AT&T's?
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Thanks for the info. Ill be saving 60 dollars a year beginning next month. The reason i asked if youve activated, im wondering does straight talk use a att.net based apn or if they use an aiowireless.net apn like cricket does. No big deal either way i guess. I can testify the aio apn works just fine but i just imagine an apn with "att" in the address to be faster lol.. This is based on nothing

talksickisil said:
No i didnt know that. Well maybe ill switch to them next month. I had a sprint phone i used with them a couple years ago. Do they still have a processing fee on bill payments? Because cricket is 60 dollars even. Ill def go for 55/ month straight talk. I just hope they dont give me a sim that uses t mobile network. Att is so much better in chicago area than tmo
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Thats super legit. I just checked straight talk .com i can just order a sim card thats att compatible since my phone is unlocked. Have you began your service yet?
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Thanks for the info. Ill be saving 60 dollars a year beginning next month. The reason i asked if youve activated, im wondering does straight talk use a att.net based apn or if they use an aiowireless.net apn like cricket does. No big deal either way i guess. I can testify the aio apn works just fine but i just imagine an apn with "att" in the address to be faster lol.. This is based on nothing
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No. I have not begun my service yet. I just ordered a StraightTalk-AT&T Micro-SIM Card Kit off of eBay. It's coming form North Carolina. I live in South Carolina so I'm hoping to have it by Saturday. I'm switching when I get it. I've already used up my 2 GB of High-Speed Data from AT&T GoPhone. 2 GB is no where near enough data for me. I can't wait to switch!

Questions about moving to AT&T

Hey everyone,
I was just gifted a Verizon M9 with s-off. It's currently running Lineage OS and TWRP. I don't have Verizon service myself, and I tried to throw my wife's AT&T nano sim in there (I have a micro sim and don't want to cut it unless I know it's going to work). For a few seconds I got fast H+ network access, before the data signal cut out. I've read online that the Verizon M9 should be GSM sim unlocked out of the box. I tried several APN's, but none of them brought back the data connection.
Am I missing a step? Is this not something that can be done? Is this an issue since she has a real AT&T sim, but it won't be an issue if I cut down my black wireless sim?

Well, my new Black Wireless sim came in and it worked just fine. Now I'm off to see if I can unlock some LTE bands.

Were you able to get AT&T LTE to work on the Verizon version? I was curious for a friend who might grab this phone and switch Straight Talk networks later.

I'm still working on that. I band unlocked the phone and my phone will connect to AT&T LTE for 1-5 minutes, then it loses all signal until I manually switch it to GSM again. I feel like the issue is at Black Wireless, but they don't want to add my IMEI to their database since it's a Verizon phone.

I also have a Verizon HTC One M9 and am using it on Cricket (which is owned and operated by AT&T). I'm able to keep a signal. H+ most of the time. If I manually reset the network, then do a network search then select Cricket, the signal will reset to 4G LTE for a few hours or until I get a call. After the call it gets stuck on H+.
I'm not rooted and s-off....yet.
Great phone though. If I didn't have Cricket I'd just settle for H+ all the time.
Hopefully this thread will pick up and we'll get some help staying locked into LTE
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I did see a thread around here with a tutorial on how to edit the bands in the phone and even add more bands. But you have to be rooted.
I'm going to try it when I get the spare $25 for the Sunshine app.

From my experience tearing down my VZW M9, I think that the VZW version has a completely different antenna. When I replaced my USB port, I noticed the VZW version only has one antenna connector going to the USB connector, where the GSM versions you see in tear down videos have two.

phreak311 said:
I also have a Verizon HTC One M9 and am using it on Cricket (which is owned and operated by AT&T). I'm able to keep a signal. H+ most of the time. If I manually reset the network, then do a network search then select Cricket, the signal will reset to 4G LTE for a few hours or until I get a call. After the call it gets stuck on H+.
I'm not rooted and s-off....yet.
Great phone though. If I didn't have Cricket I'd just settle for H+ all the time.
Hopefully this thread will pick up and we'll get some help staying locked into LTE
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I did see a thread around here with a tutorial on how to edit the bands in the phone and even add more bands. But you have to be rooted.
I'm going to try it when I get the spare $25 for the Sunshine app.
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There was a thread where someone mentioned to edit some folders in setup, I think, and relabel Verizon to whatever GSM you're switching to.
But I can't find it.