As the title... I know you can uncheck a button and raise the charging limit to 80%, but just wanna know if there's a method, with root or not, with custom Rom or not, to completely remove the limit and make my Note 100% again?
Really sick of this limit [emoji24]
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I'd love to know the answer to this question as well.
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alexcarterkarsus said:
As the title... I know you can uncheck a button and raise the charging limit to 80%, but just wanna know if there's a method, with root or not, with custom Rom or not, to completely remove the limit and make my Note 100% again?
Really sick of this limit [emoji24]
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Yes, replace the phone with a safer one and stop risking yourself or people around you.
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Yes, replace the phone with a safer one and stop risking yourself or people around you.
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Samsung Germany is a mess and positively retarded: 3 weeks ago they told me someone will contact me "shortly" with procedure for the exchange. 3 weeks later still no such thing.
It's them who made this mess out of a great phone in the first place, and then their disastrous customer service only made it worse.
I'm just trying to lessen the inconvenience unfairly heaped upon me here
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Extra 20% doesn't make much difference
So there are places where the exchange has not even started until now? That's bad!
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Extra 20% doesn't make much difference
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It does for me... after a whole day of medium use during the work day, I'm usually forced to plug in with 5% or less. If I have 20% more, I'll have the peace of mind and won't have to think about the battery whatsoever again
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I'm just trying to lessen the inconvenience unfairly heaped upon me here
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and should the device fail and cause damage to you or your property, how much of an inconvenience would that be ?
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and should the device fail and cause damage to you or your property, how much of an inconvenience would that be ?
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Should that happen, I have a very very valid legal case to go against Samsung for failing to respond in a timely manner to my request for exchange long time ago ?
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Should that happen, I have a very very valid legal case to go against Samsung for failing to respond in a timely manner to my request for exchange long time ago ?
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Where did you purchase your Note 7 from?
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Should that happen, I have a very very valid legal case to go against Samsung for failing to respond in a timely manner to my request for exchange long time ago [emoji56]
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Not if they claim it was caused when you circumvented their limiter ... is it worth the risk doing so rather than just suffer the minor inconvenience now.
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Where did you purchase your Note 7 from?
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Amazon Germany
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Should that happen, I have a very very valid legal case to go against Samsung for failing to respond in a timely manner to my request for exchange long time ago
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You will not have any recourse as Samsung stated from the beginning to shut the phone off and do not use it until you get a replacement. If you choose to circumvent their warnings then you are assuming responsibility.
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Samsung Germany is a mess and positively retarded: 3 weeks ago they told me someone will contact me "shortly" with procedure for the exchange. 3 weeks later still no such thing.
It's them who made this mess out of a great phone in the first place, and then their disastrous customer service only made it worse.
I'm just trying to lessen the inconvenience unfairly heaped upon me here
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For you as a European citizen the law is B+W. Samsung has NOTHING to do with your situation. You made your purchase through Amazon.de. If you log onto your Amazon.de account you will eventually find a help section that gives various advice of shoppers problems. If you are not satisfied with that you can further click on 'Contact us'. Here a new page will open where you can highlight your order and ask Amazon for a call back either now or when you are free.
I advise you click 'now' and your phone will ring immediately. You can then discuss your problem with the Amazon representative who will be most helpful.
IF you have one of the first batch, the Amazon rep' will send you a prepaid postal address where all you need to do is re-box your Note 7 and place the return label on the box, take it to your local post office where your printed receipt will be stamped dated and signed. As soon as Amazon.de receive that parcel you will be refunded directly to the method you paid originally. All done and dusted.
You have zero excuses for not doing this. Amazon.de will help you 100% with this situation. It wont cost you a cent. :good:
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You will not have any recourse as Samsung stated from the beginning to shut the phone off and do not use it until you get a replacement. If you choose to circumvent their warnings then you are assuming responsibility.
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That, is exactly why a legal case is necessary: did they really expect ppl to not use their phone, while not providing ANY recourse, either a replacement phone, any sort of replacement phone, or a speedy exchange? We paid big bucks for it... remember? That shining hole of 850€ in our bank account is screaming literally "compensation"
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That, is exactly why a legal case is necessary: did they really expect ppl to not use their phone, while not providing ANY recourse, either a replacement phone, any sort of replacement phone, or a speedy exchange? We paid big bucks for it... remember? That shining hole of 850€ in our bank account is screaming literally "compensation"
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Are you looking for a reimbursement, replacement unit or compensation? Had you contacted Amazon.de you would have received your money back within 7 days of your returning the purchase. That is the most any store will offer and better than some.
Let me add this. Thank God this was not the fruity brand. In this country once the plastic outer packing is broken the store will not replace it even though this is contrary to law.
There have been some genuine cases of stores not cooperating with those who have requested a full refund or exchange unit. Amazon.de is not, however, one of them.
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For you as a European citizen the law is B+W. Samsung has NOTHING to do with your situation. You made your purchase through Amazon.de. If you log onto your Amazon.de account you will eventually find a help section that gives various advice of shoppers problems. If you are not satisfied with that you can further click on 'Contact us'. Here a new page will open where you can highlight your order and ask Amazon for a call back either now or when you are free.
I advise you click 'now' and your phone will ring immediately. You can then discuss your problem with the Amazon representative who will be most helpful.
IF you have one of the first batch, the Amazon rep' will send you a prepaid postal address where all you need to do is re-box your Note 7 and place the return label on the box, take it to your local post office where your printed receipt will be stamped dated and signed. As soon as Amazon.de receive that parcel you will be refunded directly to the method you paid originally. All done and dusted.
You have zero excuses for not doing this. Amazon.de will help you 100% with this situation. It wont cost you a cent. :good:
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That part about Samsung not responsible for handling the exchange is simply not true: Samsung Germany specifically set up a webpage so customers who purchased Note7 through all channels in Germany could register their information in order for Samsung Germany to handle the exchange. And they replied repeatedly someone would contact me shortly for the detailed exchange plan... 3 weeks and nada
As for Amazon, it was them who initially pointed me to the Samsung Germany page, and that's about it. But you might be right, I should try them again
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That part about Samsung not responsible for handling the exchange is simply not true: Samsung Germany specifically set up a webpage so customers who purchased Note7 through all channels in Germany could register their information in order for Samsung Germany to handle the exchange. And they replied repeatedly someone would contact me shortly for the detailed exchange plan... 3 weeks and nada
As for Amazon, it was them who initially pointed me to the Samsung Germany page, and that's about it. But you might be right, I should try them again
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I am sorry to doubt you but I must on this occasion.
If you had called Amazon.de they would NOT have requested you contact Samsung. They have been instructed from day one to accept returns on all Note 7's.
Amazon.de will not request Samsung become involved as THE LAW states very clearly here in Europe that you MUST deal with the party who sold you the item. No one in Amazon has told you to contact Samsung. You are mistaken.
If you even mention Note 7 to an Amazon.de representative said rep will pee their pants to get that mobile from you. All contacts with Amazon.de are recorded and an email sent to you confirming the details of your call and action to be taken. Caution when you say you have spoken to Amazon as there will be a record.
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Amazon.de have not even sold the replacement Notes. I guess they are taboo in Amazon.de.
The chances are very slim
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The amount of people that had/have a ticking time bomb was/is counted at a total of 100 units out of the 2.5 million units first sold world wide. Not very high odds. I had bought one of the originals which didn't give me any problems, but after hearing the hype and that they would exchange it, I then got it replaced with a "safe" unit with green battery icon... all was good until this morning. Now they want me to only have 60% on a unit that THEY said (just like the original) works just fine! What kind of crap are these dummies playing? It does work fine. If it was not SO it would have failed very quickly, as they(news media) supposedly said happen on an commercial airplane, of all places..(I didn't know you could charge your phone on a plane, while in flight or what kind of games was this "person" playing to get it to so HOT) but it appears some moron was able to do this. Why and how I ask? hmmm... Anyhow, This has lead me to root the device in an attempt to circumvent their attempts at forcing BS on us. I have noticed that when the device is in (TWRP) recovery, it will charge up beyond 60%, so there is a (simple) way of getting around this BS; I just have yet to find it. I most likely will trade this in for the Galaxy edge s7, but i really like the S-pen so will have to wait an see how things go with the Samsung rep tomorrow; I guess if they can give me an unlocked international version like the duos I have now, I could live with that. They ARE basically the same except for just a few items (s-pen and USB type, if not mistaken)...but if not, Samsung will lose my business. What a bunch of F'd up'd individuals. Don't they product test their phones prior to launch, especially when using a new vender for batteries!? What kind of R&D are they working with (I work in R&D, this is complete BS)? My opinion IS this is just part of a BS deal with Apple, Inc. to settle some patent infringement crap from years ago. The truth is, anytime the mainstream news says something like this (over and over on all networks), it is always masonic BS. The fact is, unless you know someone with one that got burnt up, or at least got really really hot and started to smoke; I call it all BS. They really should have gotten to the bottom of this prior to exchanging any phones. These corporate morons always trying to save their own wallets and not anyone elses'. Should I find an all the time way to *fix* the 60% charge limit, I will post an update. Hope others will do the same. Without a doubt there IS a way. They did the limit by OTA update (that I didn't authorize in the first place-just forced pushed to phone) which is all software related anyhow...so there is a way by software to undo this error. :good:
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The amount of people that had/have a ticking time bomb was/is counted at a total of 100 units out of the 2.5 million units first sold world wide. Not very high odds. I had bought one of the originals which didn't give me any problems, but after hearing the hype and that they would exchange it, I then got it replaced with a "safe" unit with green battery icon... all was good until this morning. Now they want me to only have 60% on a unit that THEY said (just like the original) works just fine! What kind of crap are these dummies playing? It does work fine. If it was not SO it would have failed very quickly, as they(news media) supposedly said happen on an commercial airplane, of all places..(I didn't know you could charge your phone on a plane, while in flight or what kind of games was this "person" playing to get it to so HOT) but it appears some moron was able to do this. Why and how I ask? hmmm... Anyhow, This has lead me to root the device in an attempt to circumvent their attempts at forcing BS on us. I have noticed that when the device is in (TWRP) recovery, it will charge up beyond 60%, so there is a (simple) way of getting around this BS; I just have yet to find it. I most likely will trade this in for the Galaxy edge s7, but i really like the S-pen so will have to wait an see how things go with the Samsung rep tomorrow; I guess if they can give me an unlocked international version like the duos I have now, I could live with that. They ARE basically the same except for just a few items (s-pen and USB type, if not mistaken)...but if not, Samsung will lose my business. What a bunch of F'd up'd individuals. Don't they product test their phones prior to launch, especially when using a new vender for batteries!? What kind of R&D are they working with (I work in R&D, this is complete BS)? My opinion IS this is just part of a BS deal with Apple, Inc. to settle some patent infringement crap from years ago. The truth is, anytime the mainstream news says something like this (over and over on all networks), it is always masonic BS. The fact is, unless you know someone with one that got burnt up, or at least got really really hot and started to smoke; I call it all BS. They really should have gotten to the bottom of this prior to exchanging any phones. These corporate morons always trying to save their own wallets and not anyone elses'. Should I find an all the time way to *fix* the 60% charge limit, I will post an update. Hope others will do the same. Without a doubt there IS a way. They did the limit by OTA update (that I didn't authorize in the first place-just forced pushed to phone) which is all software related anyhow...so there is a way by software to undo this error. :good:
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Ok let's drop the conspiracy theories and do the math and the forecast projections on which Samsung would have formulated their final decision to kill the N7.
Firstly of 2.5 million recalled units, these include unsold inventory. There was actually just over 1 million units sold in the USA and around 200,000 in China.
Secondly now let's look at failures and projections.
100 incidents in NA over 34 days of device being on sale equates to 3 devices a day failing,
Assuming that failure rate continues based on those 1 million units after 1 year there would be 1068 incidents in USA
Now let's project that forward with Sales increasing to 6 million units sold in USA over the year, based on the failure rate reported by the CPSC we would be looking at 6,408 'dramatic'• failures.
[•clarification - a normal failure happens to all devices, a dramatic failure is the device frying itself and spewing smoke]
Now let's add Europe should the Note had been released there and estimate over a year it would have sold 10 million units, based on the actual failure rate of USA then we would be at 10,680
Add another 4 million units for China and Asian territories at 4,272.
So with a projected 20 million units based on the current failure rate of USA we would be looking at around 21,360 going up in smoke and potentially destroying property and injuring users..
Now that is only for year 1.
So we project forward. Let's assume in year 2 the devices shifted another 5 million units, and should the rate of failure be sustained we would then be looking at. 21,360 x 2 (second year) = 42,720 + additionally 5,300 total = 49,000 .... potential incidents.
The 'potential' number here shifts the normal risk / reward balance clearly more into risk than the possible rewards continued sales and incidents occurring would have brought.
Samsung are looking at a $17 billion hole in their account because of the Note 7. They did not cancel the device completely on a whim or media sabotage. They cancelled it because projecting forward based on the fact they could not resolve what we was causing them to fail, the potential damages and losses not only in liability but to the entire Samsung brand would be more than the $17 billion hole cancelling the device creates. That should tell you how serious the issue was and is.
But if you think you know better than Samsung and dream up conspiracy theories, please be my guest. The view from cloud cuckoo land must be breathtaking ....
But I think more of Samsung, and trust they made their decision based on the laws of probability and sound financial judgment. Clearly you think less of them if you think they would cancel a device and face a financial hole in their books based on media and Apple fanboys.
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"Samsung is committed to producing the highest quality products and we take every incident report from our valued customers very seriously. In response to recently reported cases of the new Galaxy Note 7, we conducted a thorough investigation and found a battery cell issue.To date (as of September 1) there have been 35 cases that have been reported globally and we are currently conducting a thorough inspection with our suppliers to identify possible affected batteries in the market. However, because our customers' safety is an absolute priority at Samsung, we have stopped sales of the Galaxy Note 7.For customers who already have Galaxy Note 7 devices, we will voluntarily replace their current device with a new one over the coming weeks.We acknowledge the inconvenience this may cause in the market but this is to ensure that Samsung continues to deliver the highest quality products to our customers. We are working closely with our partners to ensure the replacement experience is as convenient and efficient as possible"
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I will definitely look to get a replacement. But what about those of us that spent money on say a tempered glass screen protector? Cant just take it off and put it on a new phone. It's pretty much trash.
Yeah good question. I have a Zagg on mine. I think they have warranty however.
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I hope I don't need my Spen or the brick and cable because they disappeared mysteriously. Verizon wants $50 to furnish another Spen. Maybe Samsung should address the pen problems as well,
So. It sounds like not all Note 7s are affected, but ALL are being recalled just to be safe? Is that right?
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So. It sounds like not all Note 7s are affected, but ALL are being recalled just to be safe? Is that right?
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Looks that way. Verizon will act like they don't know about it if we call today though lol.
I am surprised the official release did not tell everyone to stop using the device immediately. Playing the odds with people's homes and lives is criminal negligence. Any delay by the carriers to notify customers is as well. Verizon playing dumb is risky. I have yet to be notified directly.
It's not like Verizon can claim they don't have my phone number...lol
My phone toom a week to set it up how i want. I wonder if we will get the same phone with.current settings or are they going to send us an entirely new phone? Also if they do send us our current phones back, then what about our warrenties on water resistance if they open the phonr up? And yes what about our glass protectors and the full body coverage i have on mine?
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My phone toom a week to set it up how i want. I wonder if we will get the same phone with.current settings or are they going to send us an entirely new phone? Also if they do send us our current phones back, then what about our warrenties on water resistance if they open the phonr up? And yes what about our glass protectors and the full body coverage i have on mine?
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You don't actually have a water resistance warranty, do you?
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You don't actually have a water resistance warranty, do you?
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I thought we all did, but now that you mention it i guess we dont actually have a warrenty. What i really meant was will it still be water resistant after we get it back? I remember reading somewhere in the s7 that after the screen ir battery is replaced even by samaung that its no longer water resistant or ubder warrenty or whatever.
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Looks that way. Verizon will act like they don't know about it if we call today though lol.
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I went to Verizon's website and the Note 7 is not available for sale, so they certainly know about it.
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So. It sounds like not all Note 7s are affected, but ALL are being recalled just to be safe? Is that right?
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In short, yes. An anonymous Samsung rep. stated to a South Korean news agency that < .01% of phones are affected.
Since they are all being recalled, this tells me that they can't definitely trace the bad battery back to a batch, date code, etc. You have to pull them all if you can't, and that is what Samsung is doing.
The fact that they are moving so quickly on this issue tells me it's definitely safety related. I imagine the Samsung production lines are working overtime to make new devices, and that somewhere [Samsung quality, the Samsung battery maker, etc.], heads will roll over this one.
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I went to Verizon's website and the Note 7 is not available for sale, so they certainly know about it.
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You can purchase, but the ship date has slipped to 9/30. Just yesterday, it was 9/7.
I'm beyond pissed guys (although I think we all are) I've had no problems with my VZW Note 7.... Great battery life and good performance and never gets too warm. Man what Android OEM doesn't have problems.... I've thought about LG devices but they have the bootloop problems!
I wonder if they'll let me choose a different color. I love the black, but that blue looks good too.
Regardless. This is a major PITA.
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I bought my note 7 from ebay, so what will be my options to get replacement ? not sure who is the original seller ( samsung or verizon or bestbuy _
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I hope I don't need my Spen or the brick and cable because they disappeared mysteriously. Verizon wants $50 to furnish another Spen. Maybe Samsung should address the pen problems as well,
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If you go to Samsung's website, you can file a repair thing for the spen. Just had to do it yesterday. The clicker part only halfway works so it gets stuck. All you got to do is print the label and send it in. I ordered one for $33 off of. Samusungs Amazon page, that I'll return once I get the new one. Figure it'll work in the meantime.
Do you think this is an out for everyone who cracked their screens?
My guess as to how they will handle the actual recall is that Samsung, or the carrier that you bought your phone from will send you a new phone, and you send the old phone back in the box that the new phone came in (they will have the return shipping labels in the box). Of course you will get an email stating the exact procedures prior to them sending the new phones. This is the only way I can think of so that the user is not without a phone during the recall. Just my opinion!
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My guess as to how they will handle the actual recall is that Samsung, or the carrier that you bought your phone from will send you a new phone, and you send the old phone back in the box that the new phone came in (they will have the return shipping labels in the box). Of course you will get an email stating the exact procedures prior to them sending the new phones. This is the only way I can think of so that the user is not without a phone during the recall. Just my opinion!
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Well i bought from Ebay seller, not sure how my return is handled
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Samsung has reportedly halted production of the Galaxy Note 7 in association with China and US authorities after several replacement units caught on fire.
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I read this but you know, out of how many million phones have been sold only 8 phones have caught fire. This doesn't mean all Note 7's are bad. In a mass produced item there is some fallout. Now this is a doozie no doubt but at least give Samsung a chance to investigate. I have a Note 7 and absolutely love it. If I have to send it back I will. But I aint gonna go turning it in just yet. It would be different if there were hundreds catching fire. But only 8 out of how many.... This just my opinion though.
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As of now, it's a temporary stop. Not permanent.
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This stop is likely a temporary one for safety until they can investigate all the reports. That way if there IS still a fault they have limited output. If there ISN'T them they can just restart.
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I read this but you know, out of how many million phones have been sold only 8 phones have caught fire. This doesn't mean all Note 7's are bad. In a mass produced item there is some fallout. Now this is a doozie no doubt but at least give Samsung a chance to investigate. I have a Note 7 and absolutely love it. If I have to send it back I will. But I aint gonna go turning it in just yet. It would be different if there were hundreds catching fire. But only 8 out of how many.... This just my opinion though.
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8 over what time frame? Curious to see if they rolled the dice how many of these would flame out over two years. I bet enough it would shock most people.
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My phone has been running like a champ.
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2nd deja vu happening again , now they are dealing with ion batteries not other hardware or anything , dont think samsung wants a third one , one thing i dont understand is why would they recall the whole set rather then recall the battery
Ugh, how could there be a second issue.
Anyone want to guess at the second issue?
Phone too thin? Part poking the battery? Battery not actually fixed? Different battery issue? Bad batteries made it in? Chemistry wrong?
It's over. Production won't be started again, stopping production is a massive thing and Samsung obviously know they have a design fault . Samsung will cut its losses and scrap the Note 7 because the brand is now ruined and trust is lost. Very sad.
I think it's more An economic decision. Until they are sure there's no problem, why continue production?
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I think it's more An economic decision. Until they are sure there's no problem, why continue production?
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If they were confident in their engineering and knew there was no problem they wouldn't stop. They obviously think there is a problem and are winding down. Theyre not going to say straight away there's a fault and "recall", it'll be "were looking into it". The phone is done for.
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8 over what time frame? Curious to see if they rolled the dice how many of these would flame out over two years. I bet enough it would shock most people.
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I'm just gonna wait and see what the say before I turn mine in. I can always go back to my N4 if need be. Dunno on your question, good point too and what plant they can be tracked to.. If they have multiple plants.
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Samsung has reportedly halted production of the Galaxy Note 7 in association with China and US authorities after several replacement units caught on fire.
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I really love N7 in term of hardware and what Samsung has done to the Note series to make it what it is today minus the problematic battery. Really hope they can bounce back for the N8. Shame that this may be the end of N7. With it, I do not know if there is a point of keeping the phone since halting production can also mean slow and can possibly stop software supports??!?!?
I'm just curious why there are no such cases in the rest of the world???it seems only in the US and in Taiwan ??
yes that's right
What ever is going on media is slowly killing the device... even me that loved and wanted this phone for ages are starting to wonder. I still doubt that any of new events are true but company like T-mobile with Apple help are killing this device. They don't need any proof they will be always able to fake an accident and this will be always a hit to Samsung... The best phone in world and with such problem it starts to become the worst... Who knows what will happen I'am still waiting for mine. Ordered on AUG17 and now should get it on OCT17 but this can always change. It's so SAD because with this N7 Samsung would 100% killed Apple and would have a more solid ground next year.
No explosion in EU, yet. Only in USA and Korea. Strange
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What ever is going on media is slowly killing the device... even me that loved and wanted this phone for ages are starting to wonder. I still doubt that any of new events are true but company like T-mobile with Apple help are killing this device. They don't need any proof they will be always able to fake an accident and this will be always a hit to Samsung...
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This. If anything the last couple of weeks made me hate the media even more (if that's possible). Hate is a strong word but there's something fundamentally wrong in our society with the way news are transported. Most of these articles are so phony it screams staging.
Nobody knows the true extent of the numbers. Only Samsung and it's not going to ever reveal the true figures. Even if it says it has. However aggressive anyone feels about the news coverage, certain sites have done a lot to verify their sources. Problem is a large company like Samsung cannot move as fast, plus investigating all the issues is not a quick process.
Regardless of the above paragraph , Samsung would not have done the first recall, now be stopping production temporarily if there wasn't a real issue.
I do wonder why there have been no reports in the EU too. It could mean there haven't been any, and or Samsung silenced any that had arisen. Don't forget not everyone wants to take a photo and upload to social media.
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No explosion in EU, yet. Only in USA and Korea. Strange
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We have 230V with a fixed 'zero' and only Exynos models. Perhaps that has something to do with regards to the quickcharging? But only a few phones are delivered here.
I think the 'refurbished' phones after the recall are actually regular production line phones, but X-rayed, updated and repackaged. If the X-ray showed nothing, I think you could still have a gen1 phone that is now bursting into flames. I don't think they will go through the trouble of opening up 2,5m phones and replace the batteries. That is more labour and time intensive than to bring out new units for about $200-250 worth of materials.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/09/sams...ended-production-of-galaxy-note-7-report.html
Full statement is they are adjusting the supply to the demand. US customers which is probably their biggest base, don't want the phone anymore.
If you already gave your Note 7 back for a refund but for some reason are still reading these Forums, say "HAY!"...
So much termoil in here I'm just watching it crash and burn.... *cough*
Loved my N7.. Got S7E.. For now.
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So much termoil in here I'm just watching it crash and burn.... *cough*
Loved my N7.. Got S7E.. For now.
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Same here. Got the S7 Edge on Tmobile Jump on Demand. If the 8 comes out and impresses us enough I may go to that in the spring/summer. Missing the Note. But the S7 edge is certainly holding its own
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I wonder if any devs are planning to keep their unit?
At this point it's more a study in human psychology than a device forum. You have venting posts from those that are pissed about what they endured, genuine hardship stories from those that bought third party that are orphans, and those in denial rationalizing away the incident and bolstering each others reasoning for keeping the phone. You normally have to pay for theatre this good.
I have a replaced note 7, I will wait the s8 launch, here my carrier will honor the 1 year warranty period, and, for that period, the exchange as well, so, in the meantime, I will enjoy my note 7, and, if I decide within the warranty period, will get a full refund, it is win-win situation!
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my carrier will honor the 1 year warranty period
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No one, at least no authorized dealer, is going to repair a Note7 under warranty or for cash. If something happens to it and if whatever that something is falls under warranty you'll be give the option of exchanging the phone for something else. To repair a recalled phone and put it back in the owner's hands is irresponsible and leaves whoever did it liable should the phone have an incident.
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At this point it's more a study in human psychology than a device forum. You have venting posts from those that are pissed about what they endured, genuine hardship stories from those that bought third party that are orphans, and those in denial rationalizing away the incident and bolstering each others reasoning for keeping the phone. You normally have to pay for theatre this good.
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Don't forget, you also have the morally superior and socially responsible people who know far better than anyone else, who are happily and vigorously spewing toxic file hate towards anyone who's still using the phone and even remotely contemplates the idea of keeping it, or even keeping it for a short period of time until they can figure out what phone to replace it with.
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No one, at least no authorized dealer, is going to repair a Note7 under warranty or for cash. If something happens to it and if whatever that something is falls under warranty you'll be give the option of exchanging the phone for something else. To repair a recalled phone and put it back in the owner's hands is irresponsible and leaves whoever did it liable should the phone have an incident.
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It may even be illegal to do that in Canada. Possibly illegal in the USA too.
I know in Canada, you can't give or sell a recalled product to anyone (unless they are involved in the recall and you are giving it to them to give your device back under that recall). I kind of wonder if a business would be liable under the consumer protection and safety act if they repaired a recalled product and gave it back. I assume they would, because they knowingly gave someone (a customer, no less), a recalled and "dangerous" product.
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Don't forget, you also have the morally superior and socially responsible people who know far better than anyone else, who are happily and vigorously spewing toxic file hate towards anyone who's still using the phone and even remotely contemplates the idea of keeping it, or even keeping it for a short period of time until they can figure out what phone to replace it with.
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It may even be illegal to do that in Canada. Possibly illegal in the USA too.
I know in Canada, you can't give or sell a recalled product to anyone (unless they are involved in the recall and you are giving it to them to give your device back under that recall). I kind of wonder if a business would be liable under the consumer protection and safety act if they repaired a recalled product and gave it back. I assume they would, because they knowingly gave someone (a customer, no less), a recalled and "dangerous" product.
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Yeah seems like many are scoffing at people still using the device until they can replace it which is amusing ....and I can do even better than that .I returned and got a refund for my first one, then quickly realized i made a mistake getting rid of it so got another one lol.
Simple fact is there is not currently anything on the market which can replace it at least for me.
And anyone who has a problem with that, tell someone who cares what you think because I dont
Illegal or not they can still be bought and be repaired.... if parts are available which admittedly would likely be an issue.
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Yeah seems like many are scoffing at people still using the device until they can replace it which is amusing ....and I can do even better than that .I returned and got a refund for my first one, tjen quickly alized i made a mistake getting rid of it so got another one lol.
Simple fact is there is not currently anything on the market which can replace it at least for me.
And anyone who has a problem with that, tell someone who cares what you think because I dont
Illegal or not they can still be bought and be repaired.... if parts are available which admittedly would likely be an issue.
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*GASP*
You must be morally bankrupt! Where is your sense of social responsibility and justice?
Think of the children!
If it only saves one life, it's worth it!
Who even NEEDS a phone like the Note 7 anyways? I mean, really, phones like that have no place in a civilized society.
Hey! Waiting for Samsung to ship me the "explosion proof box" to ship my phone back to Samsung.
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I just arranged an appointment to have my Note 7 returned on 3 November.
I am still sticking around because I am waiting for a report from Samsung, explaining what caused the batteries to combust.
Hey! And I'm with the other guy, this is better then any movie out right now. There is great drama on this forum. We have elation, sorrow, revenge, love, hate, and everything between.
I hate you all. I love you. It's outrageous. It's fantastic.
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my phone went back and I've moved on, but still watch this just to see when the problem is actually stated and to see if the people sticking with the phone blow up.
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Hey! And I'm with the other guy, this is better then any movie out right now. There is great drama on this forum. We have elation, sorrow, revenge, love, hate, and everything between.
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Yeah kind of like how married people are after 10 15 20 years
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/11/04/samsung-galaxy-note-7-cut-off-by-new-zealand-mobile-networks/ I even do not know how to comment it...
It isn't like one didn't know it was coming. Bound to happen sooner or later.
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This should be illegal
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Before it was just some rep saying it but now its official carriers are going to do this.
Time to backup efs and find a usable imei to change to
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Time to backup efs and find a usable imei to change to
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It's going to come to that. I am sure I can find a suitable old phone to clone.
was obvious something like this was coming, they can't afford to legally force people to return the phones but since the recall is in effect they can legally disable them due to safety concerns. it's the same as I was reading the other day certain UK insurance companies are looking to void the insurance if a Note is anywhere near the incident. they are already banned on pretty much every airline, is it really worth putting up with a year of having to avoid people who don't want the phone in any situation it could cause a problem? the local hospitals in my area in the UK actually have a full ban on the Note as well if you are in the hospital with one you will be escorted by security off the grounds of the hospital and not allowed to return until you have got rid off the phone off site.
so yeah if you want to use a service and they have safety concerns and want to ban something that is entirely up to them, if you want to hang onto something that is potentially dangerous and take a chance that is up to you, but end of the day if it's their house it's their rules.
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was obvious something like this was coming, they can't afford to legally force people to return the phones but since the recall is in effect they can legally disable them due to safety concerns.
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Yes, but who is the "they" here?
What's in it for Verizon or Vodafone? Samsung can't block IMEI numbers. I'm genuinely puzzled why the industry is so hell bent on getting all of these phones out of circulation. The efforts they are going to are not commensurate with the levels of damage to people and property we have seen. Which incidentally, seem to be declining by the day.
The fact is that a single Note7 is about 100x less dangerous than a single Honda (or any other) motorbike. Does it not strike people as rather weird that all these agencies are trying so hard to get rid of Note7's? It does me.
I would have thought all that was needed was for Samsung to say they there's a problem and that you shouldn't use it and that if you do, it's at your own risk. But they are trying MUCH MUCH harder than this. It's almost like they know something terrible about the phone and are not telling us.
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It's almost like they know something terrible about the phone and are not telling us.
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One of the phone has inside key for immortality hidden by one of samsung's engineer and now they try to find it by recalling all of them. Some people new it beforehand and tried to get to the key by smashing phone which then got fire as a result which gave solid base to recall all units by Samsung.
The rep from Verizon explained it to me. He also said Verizon employed some psychic to find the key by simply touching every note 7 before sent it to Samsung...
He said he hates one of the psychic to the guts because he touches iPhones as well and this is not professional.
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Yes, but who is the "they" here?
What's in it for Verizon or Vodafone? Samsung can't block IMEI numbers. I'm genuinely puzzled why the industry is so hell bent on getting all of these phones out of circulation. The efforts they are going to are not commensurate with the levels of damage to people and property we have seen. Which incidentally, seem to be declining by the day.
The fact is that a single Note7 is about 100x less dangerous than a single Honda (or any other) motorbike. Does it not strike people as rather weird that all these agencies are trying so hard to get rid of Note7's? It does me.
I would have thought all that was needed was for Samsung to say they there's a problem and that you shouldn't use it and that if you do, it's at your own risk. But they are trying MUCH MUCH harder than this. It's almost like they know something terrible about the phone and are not telling us.
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lets say your phone does fail and causes considerable property of physical damage what would you then do? in the majority of cases the person will try to sue Samsung, the carrier or other so these firms are taking every effort to get the point across if you are still holding onto the phone it is entirely on you, if they take every option to stop people using the phone they are 100% free and clear as they have done everything possible to stop the use of a potentially defective device.
now on the other hand looking at all the places and insurance firms trying to discourage use of the phone or banning it, if your phone goes up in say a locker and damages the belonging of several other people would you be willing to cover those damages? because with the amount of action taken to discourage the use of the phone you are at a point where the user is 100% liable and firms will ban it because they know the type of person hanging onto the phone will likely be the type who would try to sue someone rather than admit fault and that is why people are trying to stop the use of the device "in their house" because they know it is likely them who will lose out and have to take legal action to recoup damages.
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lets say your phone does fail and causes considerable property of physical damage what would you then do? in the majority of cases the person will try to sue Samsung, the carrier or other so these firms are taking every effort to get the point across if you are still holding onto the phone it is entirely on you, if they take every option to stop people using the phone they are 100% free and clear as they have done everything possible to stop the use of a potentially defective device.
now on the other hand looking at all the places and insurance firms trying to discourage use of the phone or banning it, if your phone goes up in say a locker and damages the belonging of several other people would you be willing to cover those damages? because with the amount of action taken to discourage the use of the phone you are at a point where the user is 100% liable and firms will ban it because they know the type of person hanging onto the phone will likely be the type who would try to sue someone rather than admit fault and that is why people are trying to stop the use of the device "in their house" because they know it is likely them who will lose out and have to take legal action to recoup damages.
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Gosh, I hadn't thought of that.
I promise you they will get sued and lose if they do that here in the US. It is not the carrier's job to protect citizens, especially if they have no proof the phone is definitely going to burn.
I believe it is against the law to posses a recalled product in Australia and several European countries. Not so in the United States.
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I promise you they will get sued and lose if they do that here in the US. It is not the carrier's job to protect citizens, especially if they have no proof the phone is definitely going to burn.
I believe it is against the law to posses a recalled product in Australia and several European countries. Not so in the United States.
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Looks like Australia doesn't outlaw recalled products.
http://www.productsafety.gov.au/news/samsung-galaxy-note7
There is no wording to mention it's illegal rather that ACCC "strongly urges"
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I promise you they will get sued and lose if they do that here in the US. It is not the carrier's job to protect citizens, especially if they have no proof the phone is definitely going to burn.
I believe it is against the law to posses a recalled product in Australia and several European countries. Not so in the United States.
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I have no idea where in the world it is legal or illegal to possess a recalled product but I agree wholeheartedly that there will definitely be lawsuits in the US if these phones are blacklisted. Without a doubt....
Question. If I see a robbery, rape, fire or an accident or some other public safety concern, should I attempt to dial 911 to assist or should I shrug it off because I am a rogue accident waiting to happen? Should I shudder in fear so much as to avoid calling altogether?
Should I report myself to authorities?.....lol
I'd say no because I am neither illegal or criminal, get it?
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I have no idea where in the world it is legal or illegal to possess a recalled product but I agree wholeheartedly that there will definitely be lawsuits in the US if these phones are blacklisted. Without a doubt....
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Having said that, here's me hoping that New Zealand users start suing which will serve to not give anybody else ideas :laugh:
http://www.droid-life.com/2016/11/0...imit-battery-60-continue-remind-users-recall/
Very soon Samsung will block all service.
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As long as Samsung gets replacement phones/refunds to all they promised, I don't mind the IMEI block so much. Problem is that 19 days ago, they promised me a replacement S7E would come "within 21 days". I contacted them yesterday about how this was going since 21 days is almost up, and...They have run out of S7E stock (black Onyx) and don't know when new stock is coming...
This is Australia though, where they have just sent the 60% thing through and no official IMEI block discussed, yet..
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Verizon in the USA is also considering flagging accounts and suspending service for those of us who have a Note 7. I purchased it outright for $864 and was totally blown away with how nice the phone is. I don't want to return it.
The first batch was recalled due to a failure of the batteries circuitry to stop the charge. Statistic tell me that if an electrical component were to fail (aka infant mortality) then it would occur very early in the like cycle of a device. My device was always left overnight charging (until I learned about the 80% rule and battery life), and would never even get warm to the touch on either the usb-C or wireless charging. I was confident that my chances were slim to have an issue, but I returned it when they got the second batch of phones.
The failure of the second batch is being blamed on internal battery layers that are so close that they short out causing the catastrophic shorting of the battery. Again, no one knows how close is too close for these layers as Samsung never disclosed the details of the design much further. My phone gets charged every 30-36 hours since I got it and I have not had any issues. My second (current) Note 7 is even cooler when charging than the first one and as I never charge about 80%, my risk is even less. (what ever "less than less than 1%" is) I figure if my batteries plates were shorting out, I would have known it by now. So I feel my current phone is also safe.
Samsung or Verizon can not force me to return it. What they can do is exactly what they are: constant texts about the recall and now Verizon has stated (the store rep told me this when I went to inquirer about any changes to the return policy) that after November 25th, they will be suspending service. They told me originally the date was Nov 7th, but it got moved back. So take it with a grain of salt. I sometimes think that the reps don't have a clue. They will give owners no choice if they do this. But the question I ask is do we really own this? Verizon has already returned every penny I paid for the phone back to me. So in a sense I have the phone now for free, and that's not quite right either.
With the S8 four months away and a new Note 8 5-6 months after that (if rumors are true), Samsung in Korea is giving some great deals for those of us who stay loyal. (Korean customers if they stay with Samsung not only get the same $100 (equivalent currency) credit we are getting in the USA, but are also getting an opportunity to upgrade with no penalty to the S8 and Note 8. The new S8 and Note 8 will be sold for 1/2 the list price to these customer! I only hope the USA will get this same offer.
I agree that airlines and businesses have the right to ban the phone, and the liability now rest 99.9% with those of us who keep the phone. We have been warned in many ways. Its a slippery slope. Where does our right to keep it cross the line and endanger someone else? I looks at this like the smoking ban in the USA. Restaurants use to allow smoking in the dining rooms. They then morphed into having a "smoking" and "non-smoking" sections. I cant tell you how many times I would be in the non-smoking section that was right next to a smoking section and still had to breath their second hand smoke. I was glad when all restaurants when smoke free as did most businesses. I happen to be on the other side of the fence on this issue.
I only hope someone here extracts the firmware and kernel and can adapt it to say the S7 or another note device. I'm guessing the new 8 series will be very similar.
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lets say your phone does fail and causes considerable property of physical damage what would you then do? in the majority of cases the person will try to sue Samsung, the carrier or other so these firms are taking every effort to get the point across if you are still holding onto the phone it is entirely on you, if they take every option to stop people using the phone they are 100% free and clear as they have done everything possible to stop the use of a potentially defective device.
now on the other hand looking at all the places and insurance firms trying to discourage use of the phone or banning it, if your phone goes up in say a locker and damages the belonging of several other people would you be willing to cover those damages? because with the amount of action taken to discourage the use of the phone you are at a point where the user is 100% liable and firms will ban it because they know the type of person hanging onto the phone will likely be the type who would try to sue someone rather than admit fault and that is why people are trying to stop the use of the device "in their house" because they know it is likely them who will lose out and have to take legal action to recoup damages.
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Save your breath... common senses does not apply here. At least to some. Saying anything other than keeping the Note7 will just cause you to be branded as part of the conspirator.
It makes no sense what so ever to keep the phone outside of ego issues. Either "look at me I am a rebel" or "I've got a phone you can't get."
- Alternatives with nearly the same specs are out (Pixel and V20 both outperform the Note 7)
- support is going to be dead, Samsung and 3rd party
- it's not going to receive updates
- it's a hazard, Samsung didn't just kill one of their golden eggs for fun.
- keeping your phone affects more than just you.
It's starting to look incredibly suspicious that the moment Samsung stopped Note 7 production, the fires went with them. Could someone be pulling the strings here? 285 000 Note 7s remain in America alone, and not one to my knowledge has caught fire in the past month. 1.5 million of them, and they were catching fire every day.
I get that you didn't do a search but a similar topic is still on the first page of this subforum.
There's probably three other similar topics on this. And all of them end up with the same tiresome squabble.
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It's starting to look incredibly suspicious that the moment Samsung stopped Note 7 production, the fires went with them. Could someone be pulling the strings here? 285 000 Note 7s remain in America alone, and not one to my knowledge has caught fire in the past month. 1.5 million of them, and they were catching fire every day.
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Have you considered one of the reasons we no longer hear about the Note 7 going pop is due to the fact that so much media attention and warnings from Samsung and the retailers who sold the device to the owners to return them that only a die hard number of owners are still holding onto their Note's. Now after all these warnings its highly unlikely that an owner is going to complain if his or her Note 7 went pop! I would think they would just keep silent don't you? Its not a general habit for us as a race to want our mistakes highlighted.
I am sure there are other reasons as well.
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Samsung also recalled 2.5 million washing maschines. Do you think this is also a conspiracy or could it be they went wrong somewhere in the making of their products?
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Samsung also recalled 2.5 million washing maschines. Do you think this is also a conspiracy or could it be they went wrong somewhere in the making of their products?
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Naw, everything is OK at Samsung. I own the washer. I just wear headgear and chest protection when I do the wash. I'm not worried about the Note7 either and will continue to use it until the end. I am a fortunate one though because I have protected my home with Samsung fire detection equipment and security cameras. Therefore I am very comfortable with my choices to live on the edge.
Consider these possibilities while remembering the funny tune from Monty Python. My washer explodes injuring me. I grab my Note7 to dial 911 and it bursts into flames. My fire detection equipment malfunctions allowing my home to burn down.
Who's fault is it?..... HA!
Makes me uncomfortable to have anything resembling a gun with Samsung's name on it pointed directly at me (the cameras) so it does..... lol And then there is this: https://www.wired.com/2016/05/flaws...let-hackers-unlock-doors-set-off-fire-alarms/
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Have you considered one of the reasons we no longer hear about the Note 7 going pop is due to the fact that so much media attention and warnings from Samsung and the retailers who sold the device to the owners to return them that only a die hard number of owners are still holding onto their Note's. Now after all these warnings its highly unlikely that an owner is going to complain if his or her Note 7 went pop! I would think they would just keep silent don't you? Its not a general habit for us as a race to want our mistakes highlighted.
I am sure there are other reasons as well.
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no.. i disagree. I think if mine did go "pop" that i would notify Samsung and make sure it was sent back to them. I WANT them to figure out the issue. I wouldn't be looking for any kind of payout, etc, i knew the risks when i continued to use the phone.
85% of us units have been successfully returned.
That will greatly reduce the number of new reports.
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85% of us units have been successfully returned.
That will greatly reduce the number of new reports.
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This could confuse users around the world. Since XDA is not exclusive to the U.S.
85% of U.S. users have been forced to return or exchange their Note 7.
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-85-percent-galaxy-note-7-phones-replaced-726910/
However in other countries the response may not be a massive, because carriers are not harrasing people to return their device or the exchange program may not be as beneficial as the U.S. was
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CerveCesar said:
This could confuse users around the world. Since XDA is not exclusive to the U.S.
85% of U.S. users have been forced to return or exchange their Note 7.
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-85-percent-galaxy-note-7-phones-replaced-726910/
However in other countries the response may not be a massive, because carriers are not harrasing people to return their device or the exchange program may not be as beneficial as the U.S. was
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Riiiight? That's why I said US. Most of the drama in the press came from the us and the cpsc piece also came the us. That's why what I said was relevant. Cases are dying down here since only 15% remain.
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no fires recently
How about this?
http://gizmodo.com/a-different-sams...source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Not the N7, a J5.
Maybe Samsung should really just revert back to removable battery design.
Or maybe they should, like they themselves said, make some serious changes in quality control.
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Any recent Note 7 fires?
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Hey man, use the proper terminology at least Don't you know we have to call all these incidents "explosions". It sounds much more dramatic. If you want to use "violent explosions" then that's good too.
Maybe also throw in a few words about putting the public in terrible danger and selfish individuals etc. You know the score...
Now keep on message!
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Hey man, use the proper terminology at least Don't you know we have to call all these incidents "explosions". It sounds much more dramatic. If you want to use "violent explosions" then that's good too.
Maybe also throw in a few words about putting the public in terrible danger and selfish individuals etc. You know the score...
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The disgraceful way the media dealt with this news was nothing short of absurd.
You are correct, NO Note 7 'exploded'. An explosion, in any form, would make the detonated device fragment into many pieces sending the Note 7 all over the place including floor, ceiling, walls etc. To date, every incident has resulted in the note catching fire BUT the device itself has not fragmented. WE can see after each fire the mobile is left in one burnt piece, its not even burnt to the point of becoming unrecognisabel.
I am NOT suggesting when the Mobile has gone pop that's its acceptable! I am stating it clearly doesn't explode.
I would guess the main concern is fire, the mobile could be the ignition point or catalyst for surrounding areas to ignite thus causing a fire. Again to date I 'think' such fires have been localised to a very small area that's IF a fire was caused at all. I saw a clip of a 4x4 going up in the USA but still have not read the results of the investigation so I am discounting that incident. I suggest the problems are what could happen rather than what will happen and that is the cause of the mobile becoming black listed in more and more public areas such as aircraft, boats, trains blah blah blah.
Regardless of our differences I sincerely agree the media has made a meal out of this matter. A true storm in a tea cup.
I also think Samsung had to make the recall BUT the way that recall has been actioned has been without co-ordination world wide causing numerous clients no end of hassle that is still ongoing. Samsung Korea have not come out of this situation looking well at all.
For a communications division that sells communication devices they need to learn to.......well, communicate!
Those trying to pre order the Gear S3 like myself are having one hell of a trial. No one seems to know the date when the Gear is going to be finally available nor if it will be bluetooth or 4G? Another total ****-up.
Ryland :highfive: