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[REQ] Separate threads for GSM vs. VZW!

Seriously.... many accessories incompatible between the two, e.g. batteries... can we get separate threads or at least some posting guidelines to identify GSM or VZW?

Yes please!

I second this motion!
Please at least tag posts with [VZW] or [GSM]

Yes please! At least for Accessories!

Problem is most retailers don't even tell you if its make for one or the other. It kinda makes me mad. We just need to be more specific with the titles of threads IMHO.
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hammer2309 said:
I second this motion!
Please at least tag posts with [VZW] or [GSM]
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This is good enough.

lp1527 said:
Seriously.... many accessories incompatible between the two, e.g. batteries... can we get separate threads or at least some posting guidelines to identify GSM or VZW?
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I think this is very much needed!

I have had a couple other phones that have 2 variants(GSM & CDMA) and the only sub forum I have ever seen them split is the dev section. I don't think they will split the accessories section. We just have to do a better job at tagging the threads as mentioned before.

I agree. I don't like too much separation. I like to easily see whats being done for the other side. The Dev section is hard enough.

Is there anyone that auctually looks at the request device thread?

Please answer me this question. I have been looking at the request device thread and it appears that only popular devices are only being added and no one cares of the request device thread. These are the most common i see on the thread:
ASUS Padfone 2
LG Escape
LG Optimus L9
Acer S500
Other Acer Iconia series
Motorola RAZR series
Now for my request is the pantech burst because we have a forum that is just getting way too cluttered http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1487576 I have submitted a request for this device three times now. For development: we have a rooted Gingerbread, a rooted Ice Cream Sandwich, three custom roms, have Clockworkmod recovery, AND working on getting CM10, AOKP, and AOSP working. We are very close to getting CM10 to work as a daily driver. Infact here is the link to how the progress is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1818618
I extremely find this outrageous that the popular devices get one and very "unpopular" devices dont. I never see people carrying a Samsung Galaxy Player (proud owner of one) yet it has it's own forum.

One thing you need to understand is that this is a development site. As that's the case, of course newer and more popular devices will have a forum added for them because they have a lot more interest so therefore devs are more likely to develop for the device.
If a device has next to none development, there'll be less activity from the developers and that generally means less people will be interested in the device.
What would you suggest? XDA add a forum for each request that comes through?
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No not that. I just find it outrageous that no matter how many times you post in the new device request forum, they will not listen. Many people in that thread requested for the asus padfone 2 and im pretty sure there is plenty of dev support for the device. If there is some dev support like the burst i think it deserves its own device thread. I mean really, we are so very close on cm10 and yet no forum. The only thing not working is the data and wifi.
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I already explained why the forums that keep being requested haven't been created. See the first paragraph of my first post.
Explain how you would decide which devices had a forum created for them then. Obviously you feel that the current system isn't working, so what do you feel would work?
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KidCarter93 said:
I already explained why the forums that keep being requested haven't been created. See the first paragraph of my first post.
Explain how you would decide which devices had a forum created for them then. Obviously you feel that the current system isn't working, so what do you feel would work?
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Obviously the current system doesn't work for the end users nor the developers of lesser known devices. I own one of the most requested devices ever at one point and we don't have a forum yet. (Samsung Galaxy Relay T699) I would suggest taking any device that has a recognized developer working for it that is willing to moderate and implementing a system based on that. I would also suggest greater grouping of similar devices using sub-forums. It's too bad that this site's code doesn't allow for the use of tagging by subject or group, as that would help. Its not a simple solution as new devices drop every week it seems, but I maintain that a device so similar to the GS3 should have a forum lol.
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onebornoflight said:
Obviously the current system doesn't work for the end users nor the developers of lesser known devices. I own one of the most requested devices ever at one point and we don't have a forum yet. (Samsung Galaxy Relay T699) I would suggest taking any device that has a recognized developer working for it that is willing to moderate and implementing a system based on that. I would also suggest greater grouping of similar devices using sub-forums. It's too bad that this site's code doesn't allow for the use of tagging by subject or group, as that would help. Its not a simple solution as new devices drop every week it seems, but I maintain that a device so similar to the GS3 should have a forum lol.
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If XDA was to add a forum for every device which has got a bit of development going on, then a load more moderators would be needed, OR the workload of the current moderators would be at the point where they couldn't truly moderate.
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Thus the part about letting the developers take responsibility for moderating their own device(s). Apart from hosting and storage limitations I wouldn't have a problem with each device having a forum, but honestly at this point there are probably 20 devices back in legacy that could be moved and merged and open that space up. The way I see it - admins are rapidly becoming elitist.
What would the problem be with more moderators anyway? I constantly see people in Miscellaneous Android offering to moderate the (nonexistent)forum for their device if that's the issue.
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I truly think the system is fine but the moderators seem to not take the time to view the devices thats being requested and see if the device deserves a forum. E.x. samsung galaxy s3 mini, you never see people carrying that device but it automatically gets a forum. The pantech burst is att's first LTE phone and it is still being sold for $1 USD and for $120-150 on ebay, maybe even more. All what i ask for the moderators is to look through that forum. If they cannot add that certain device, state a reason why
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I realize for the devices that arn't as popular theres no way xda can create a full forum for each one and moderate it without an insane load on the existing mods. I just wish for the less popular that there might be maybe a manufacturer specific forum that way it can hold multiple devices, only a handful of new forums would be created if that, etc.. like Asus / Pantech / Acer / Motorola

onebornoflight said:
Thus the part about letting the developers take responsibility for moderating their own device(s). Apart from hosting and storage limitations I wouldn't have a problem with each device having a forum, but honestly at this point there are probably 20 devices back in legacy that could be moved and merged and open that space up. The way I see it - admins are rapidly becoming elitist.
What would the problem be with more moderators anyway? I constantly see people in Miscellaneous Android offering to moderate the (nonexistent)forum for their device if that's the issue.
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You really think the moderator committee would let someone be a moderator just because they've asked for it?
The MC have to be sure that the person is ready to be a mod and that process takes too much time for something that isn't needed.
nightfire37 said:
I truly think the system is fine but the moderators seem to not take the time to view the devices thats being requested and see if the device deserves a forum. E.x. samsung galaxy s3 mini, you never see people carrying that device but it automatically gets a forum. The pantech burst is att's first LTE phone and it is still being sold for $1 USD and for $120-150 on ebay, maybe even more. All what i ask for the moderators is to look through that forum. If they cannot add that certain device, state a reason why
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Using the basis "you never see people carrying that device", all I'd expect to see on XDA is a load of blackberry's and iPhones mainly.
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I realize for the devices that arn't as popular theres no way xda can create a full forum for each one and moderate it without an insane load on the existing mods. I just wish for the less popular that there might be maybe a manufacturer specific forum that way it can hold multiple devices, only a handful of new forums would be created if that, etc.. like Asus / Pantech / Acer / Motorola
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Then the people of XDA would be complaining even more about bricked devices because noobs don't read and would therefore make more mistakes.

There seems to be a chicken and egg problem here. Phone has little organized development, it doesn't get a forum. Phone has no forum, development goes slower and less organized.
And then sometimes it feels a bit arbitrary. The Relay 4G has had more development done on it so far than the Sidekick 4G had in its entire lifetime, yet the Sidekick has a forum and the Relay doesn't.

Hi,
It would be a waste of time to add a forum for a device with a user base of ~10 people that aren't going to be going any development. It would add unnecessary clutter to the xda forum page, especially if its going too be added to legacy devices within a few weeks anyway

How about making a wiki for it? At least you can organize things that way.

DarkAngel said:
How about making a wiki for it? At least you can organize things that way.
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There already is an XDA wiki but it's vastly under-utilized.

nightfire37 said:
No not that. I just find it outrageous that no matter how many times you post in the new device request forum, they will not listen. Many people in that thread requested for the asus padfone 2 and im pretty sure there is plenty of dev support for the device. If there is some dev support like the burst i think it deserves its own device thread. I mean really, we are so very close on cm10 and yet no forum. The only thing not working is the data and wifi.
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You are frustrated and it is understandable. You need to read ans absorb what KidCarter93 is trying to explain.
The bottom line is, Yes the Mods see the requests but two things need to be considered.
1) this is a FREE development site people do not work/develop for $$$
2) unless you and a "bunch" of others want development, you need seek out a developer and try and work something out. Maybe a loaner device or simply offer a device for development. YOU CAN NOT PAY somebody to develop on XDA for development. A search on Google will help you find places that will do this.
Every device has started out as yours has. When the SGS3 started (one of the highest developed devices to date). It was a combined thread, every version was under one thread (there are many versions of this phone) so people were bricking there phones because everybody was attempting to use development for the European version which is different from the North American version. It took a month for the devices to form there own threads.
Sadly there are many devices that never receive development. I have owned a ASUS TF300 tablet and while it took development time to start, it now exists,. however in a short period it has slowed due to ASUS creating ewer /better devices. Development has now moved to the new iteration of the device.
Mods/XDA cannot force nor allocate Developers to work on specific devices. Everything done here is voluntary.
Your other choice is to learn development and create your own work:good:
I hope this helps understand XDA and the community a little better.

KidCarter93 said:
There already is an XDA wiki but it's vastly under-utilized.
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LOL, I meant for the Pantech Burst ( which there is none ), not a XDA wiki section entirely. I guess I could have been a bit more clear.
We all have to realize, and believe me that I know the frustrations from searching from post to post, thread to thread, which is why I decided to get the Fuhu Nabi ( tablet ) section going in the XDA wiki for members to edit and contribute to as it's becoming very popular as well. If one reads the very first post here, we are not gauranteed a section. Just have to make the most of it and collect all the info where one can for members to have a start from. I am just glad we have a place like this where we can come to for help and not get litterally flamed for asking or the very least ridiculed for trying to help.
Been here since before 06 when it all started with the Windows Mobile Phones and those were fun times but never signed up until 06.

DarkAngel said:
LOL, I meant for the Pantech Burst ( which there is none ), not a XDA wiki section entirely. I guess I could have been a bit more clear.
We all have to realize, and believe me that I know the frustrations from searching from post to post, thread to thread, which is why I decided to get the Fuhu Nabi ( tablet ) section going in the XDA wiki for members to edit and contribute to as it's becoming very popular as well. If one reads the very first post, we are not gauranteed a section. Just have to make the most of it and collect all the info where one can for members to have a start from. I am just glad we have a place like this where we can come to for help and not get litterally flamed for asking or the very least ridiculed for trying to help.
Been here since before 06 when it all started with the Windows Mobile Phones and those were fun times but never signed up until 06.
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Collecting it in the wiki is a good way to get started. We take many different factors into consideration when adding new devices. One of these is how many existing developers have it already. Unfortunately we cannot add forums for every device,but you are more than welcome to use the wiki.

pulser_g2 said:
Collecting it in the wiki is a good way to get started. We take many different factors into consideration when adding new devices. One of these is how many existing developers have it already. Unfortunately we cannot add forums for every device,but you are more than welcome to use the wiki.
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Well I just made a wiki for the device. It is a very good phone. It outperforms the Galaxy Nexus using Antutu.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Pantech_Burst

KidCarter93 said:
You really think the moderator committee would let someone be a moderator just because they've asked for it?
The MC have to be sure that the person is ready to be a mod and that process takes too much time for something that isn't needed.
Using the basis "you never see people carrying that device", all I'd expect to see on XDA is a load of blackberry's and iPhones mainly.
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Then the people of XDA would be complaining even more about bricked devices because noobs don't read and would therefore make more mistakes.
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What he said ^^
XDA simply cant have a forum for each device, and in the case of devices that do not have the backing im sure there are plenty of other forums out there where these devs would meet.
You can also of cause use the Miscellaneous Android Development section if a developer wanted to release stuff for a device that was not listed.
It has been and always will be a developer site and thus the devices with lots of developers will get a section, the request thread is looked at and often devices from it do get sections, but alot of work has to go into deciding which do and dont get sections, and some will always miss out.

onebornoflight said:
Thus the part about letting the developers take responsibility for moderating their own device(s). Apart from hosting and storage limitations I wouldn't have a problem with each device having a forum, but honestly at this point there are probably 20 devices back in legacy that could be moved and merged and open that space up. The way I see it - admins are rapidly becoming elitist.
What would the problem be with more moderators anyway? I constantly see people in Miscellaneous Android offering to moderate the (nonexistent)forum for their device if that's the issue.
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We have high expectations of conduct of moderators. You can't just become one by asking. And that will NEVER change. We owe it to our users to ensure staff are up to the standard they expect and deserve.
We're not becoming "elitist", but we do expect to see development potential from developers on a device. There's a "rough formula" you can use to tell if a device will appear on XDA lately - it's not formal or anything, it's just common sense.

Disappointed on your decision to make a Sony Xperia Z forum before Asus PadFone 2

A dedicated Sony Xperia Z forum before Asus PadFone 2? I'm disappointed for the first time in XDA. There have been a LOT of requests for a separate forum for our lovely device that is already out in many parts of the world. And now you make a forum for a device that isn't even out yet!

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A dedicated Sony Xperia Z forum before Asus PadFone 2? I'm disappointed for the first time in XDA. There have been a LOT of requests for a separate forum for our lovely device that is already out in many parts of the world. And now you make a forum for a device that isn't even out yet!
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The PadFone is very expensive for what it is, and has failed to capture the interests of developers. The Xperia Z already has developer interest. We add devices based on development potential, and as of yet we've not seen anyone who is in a position to develop that is interested.

You seem to forget that this site is for developers, does not matter how many 'normal' users have a device its all down to the amount of developers that are interested in developing for a device

Pleaseeeeee create subforum
I got the phone from ebay US nd loving it without rooting nd custom rom
But trust me Asus rocks but why the moderators are being unfair for this super hero
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You guys can read reasons why its not created yet, here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2105207
Go through that thread.. you will understand..
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Guessing none of the mods are getting one and then there is no need to make a forum. From the request thread this have been much more sought for that the Sony. Ohh well.

Harboe said:
Guessing none of the mods are getting one and then there is no need to make a forum. From the request thread this have been much more sought for that the Sony. Ohh well.
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The PadFone series has had a recurring issue of not attracting developer attention, due to being more expensive than other similar products.
There has been no real developer interest that I'm aware of. That's why there's no forum.

and these?
http://www.modaco.com/forum/689-asus-padfone-2/
Please
Do not think it's that difficult to create a forum for padfone own 2, no industrial and other amounts, but there is interest!
And with your help, and creating a forum of their own, surely that would give him a push ...
And just to be specific, tablet + phone 700E. is cheaper to buy a phone and a tablet separately ...
thanks
regards

DjBastard said:
and these?
http://www.modaco.com/forum/689-asus-padfone-2/
Please
Do not think it's that difficult to create a forum for padfone own 2, no industrial and other amounts, but there is interest!
And with your help, and creating a forum of their own, surely that would give him a push ...
And just to be specific, tablet + phone 700E. is cheaper to buy a phone and a tablet separately ...
thanks
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Tbh I got a nexus 10 and phone for much less than 700 EUR...
I looked at the looked forum, seems a dead device... There are 6 threads. But if we add a device, mods must be assigned, and various other things done. As such, we don't add nearly as many niche devices as users would like.
I am afraid you've not really showed interest - do you have, for example, an established CM maintainer who has got source built CM running? These are the kinds of things that show developer interest

Asus padfone 2 subforum please!
Asus padfone 2 subforum please!

+1 for sub forum

+ 100000 sub forum padfone 2
That would greatly help the devs will be encouraged to get roms, etc and assume it would help to sell more ....

+1 for adding subforum

Guys, you don't need to be asking for a forum for the Padfone 2 because;
1) This is the wrong thread to be requesting a forum be added for it. The relevant thread is stickied at the top of this very forum AND
2) One of the admins has already explained that a forum won't be added unless there's proof of strong development for this device.
If, as already suggested, there was an established CM maintainer who has got CM running on this device, then that would likely greatly increase your chances of having a forum created.
Also, don't say that the Padfone 2 will get more developers once it has a forum because that's a load of rubbish. The device is what intrigues/entices the developers. NOT whether there's is a specific sub-forum or not.
There is a Miscellaneous Android Development forum which is perfect for your needs as you can post any development for the Padfone over there.

In facebook there is a portuguese group for this device! Guess how many of the people there actually develop something?
In 1500 people... 0 roms, themes, or whatever! So yes, i am quiet happy that they opened the forum for XPeria Z

is not expensive if u think that u get a phone and a table i buy mine and belive me is fantastic!

UP!

Some of you just don't get it. You're not getting the forum for the same reason I'm not getting a forum for the Kyocera Rise (except I'm not demanding one like I have some natural right to it). Do any of you have any evidence of custom ROM's, development, etc. for the Padfone?

dibblebill said:
Some of you just don't get it. You're not getting the forum for the same reason I'm not getting a forum for the Kyocera Rise (except I'm not demanding one like I have some natural right to it). Do any of you have any evidence of custom ROM's, development, etc. for the Padfone?
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I think there are some evidences, take a look:
root: http://www.modaco.com/topic/360416-superboot-padfone-2-root-solution/
cwm: http://www.modaco.com/topic/360432-r1-customised-recovery-image-for-the-asus-padfone-2/
deodexed rom: http://www.modaco.com/topic/360444-deodexed-wwe-rom-for-the-padfone-2/
"custom rom": http://www.modaco.com/topic/360458-pre-mcr-wwe-rom-for-the-padfone-2/
Finally the guy who is making this come true is a XDA member since 2003, his nick is PaulOBrien
do you need some more?

rafael_mfr said:
Finally the guy who is making this come true is a XDA member since 2003, his nick is PaulOBrien
do you need some more?
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Yes. If it's just Paul you can easily use modaco as it's his forum.
Guys stop crying in here. XDA is a developers site.
If you really want to have a subforum then start developing for it.
That's the only way you'll get a dedicated forum. Constantly making +1 posts in here isn't helpful.
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[DISCUSSION] XDA vs other Android forums

FIRST OF ALL, THIS THREAD IS IN NO WAY INTENDED TO BE NEGATIVE TOWARDS XDA!
When I get interested in something and look for a forum on the subject, I look for the BEST forum on the subject. When I became interested in Android phones and looked for a forum, in became obvious to me VERY quickly that XDA was THE superior forum by far; but what 'superior' means is, I think, what I would like this discussion to be about...
It was quickly obvious to me that XDA was the forum where the developers were. This, in itself, made XDA the superior forum, obviously it seemed to me. Having access to developers is certainly a priceless ability to have. Also, AFIK, new developments tend to get posted on XDA before other Android forums (though, I must admit, while I am familiar with some other Android forums, I very rarely visit them, other that by occasional Google search results, and even then, I try to seek out XDA results).
I would certainly NOT say this is the best Android forum for new users who are unwilling to search or use their brain, however new users, even if N00b's, will do fine if they respect the standard protocols.
HOWEVER... I have recently begun to wonder... is this the best Android forum to get help with your questions? If you want to question a dev on XDA about one of his/her apps, then probably yes, but what about more GENERAL questions? Is XDA really more oriented towards higher issues, such as app development?
I personally enjoy helping people with their questions, but I have found difficulty with getting responses to my questions sometimes. I feel certain that there are users on XDA that would KNOW the answer to my question, but of course, I am well aware they have better things to do with their time than answer my questions (which means no disrespect) which the likely never even see.
As I say, I have visited the other Android forums very little. I am wondering if those forums are a better place for these general types of questions? So, I welcome a discussion on anyone's opinion on other Android forums vs XDA...

I moved this here. It is probably a better place for this type of discussion

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I moved this here. It is probably a better place for this type of discussion
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I agree, thanks, but I don't want to create any friction between mods (see my PM).

I will not bite you, however you respond!
Well Mark, I thought it was a very valid and interesting topic for discussion, and since you moved it here I think you agreed with me, but unfortunately, we seem to be the only two people who feel that way?
Are there users here who feel that there are OTHER users here who would be better served on OTHER Android forums? I am in no way attempting to reduce the XDA user base, but as I said, I think this is obviously the ELITE forum (which DOES NOT necessarily mean exclusionary), but to my mind at least, many users here who likely have their minds on higher things than answering relatively simple questions, which might be more welcome on OTHER Android forums. OR... I could be wrong... as I mentioned, I have spent little time on other Android forums, but I have noticed that certain Google searches I make return top results from forums OTHER than XDA (though GENERALLY I find XDA gets the top results).
SO... anyone care to express any opinions on this, pro or con? Now is your change to make your opinion known.
(OH... and if rating my own thread 5 stars is bad form... tough titty said the kitty...)

rsngfrce said:
Well Mark, I thought it was a very valid and interesting topic for discussion, and since you moved it here I think you agreed with me, but unfortunately, we seem to be the only two people who feel that way?
Are there users here who feel that there are OTHER users here who would be better served on OTHER Android forums? I am in no way attempting to reduce the XDA user base, but as I said, I think this is obviously the ELITE forum (which DOES NOT necessarily mean exclusionary), but to my mind at least, many users here who likely have their minds on higher things than answering relatively simple questions, which might be more welcome on OTHER Android forums. OR... I could be wrong... as I mentioned, I have spent little time on other Android forums, but I have noticed that certain Google searches I make return top results from forums OTHER than XDA (though GENERALLY I find XDA gets the top results).
SO... anyone care to express any opinions on this, pro or con? Now is your change to make your opinion known.
(OH... and if rating my own thread 5 stars is bad form... tough titty said the kitty...)
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Well I'm new here myself and I've found it's relatively easy to find information here. The forums seems pretty active. It's a lot better than Bitcointalk that's for sure.. I haven't seen a bigger cesspool of trolls of fud anywhere on the new lol

As I've been here for about 3 and a half years (roughly a year as just a visitor) and am a staff member here, I'm clearly leaning more towards XDA being the best Android forum.
Before I found my way to XDA, I had signed up to a fair few other Android forums (being a mixture of general Android and some more development focused) and for some reason I just didn't stick around. Some of the forums were simply a mess but others weren't too bad. Most of the time, I didn't become active on those forums purely because it didn't feel right, I guess.
In regards to general questions, there's definitely a place for them here. Obviously we are more focused on development than general Android questions but we'll still support those anyway.
If you look through any of the device forums you'll notice that the majority of questions are normally about rooting/unlocking the boot loader of that particular device but there are still a lot of standard questions being asked as well.
With you not getting answers to your questions, it's more likely due to not being in an active enough forum or not being seen by the right people rather than people not answering purely because it's not as technical as other questions might be.

KidCarter93 said:
As I've been here for about 3 and a half years (roughly a year as just a visitor) and am a staff member here, I'm clearly leaning more towards XDA being the best Android forum.
Before I found my way to XDA, I had signed up to a fair few other Android forums (being a mixture of general Android and some more development focused) and for some reason I just didn't stick around. Some of the forums were simply a mess but others weren't too bad. Most of the time, I didn't become active on those forums purely because it didn't feel right, I guess.
In regards to general questions, there's definitely a place for them here. Obviously we are more focused on development than general Android questions but we'll still support those anyway.
If you look through any of the device forums you'll notice that the majority of questions are normally about rooting/unlocking the boot loader of that particular device but there are still a lot of standard questions being asked as well.
With you not getting answers to your questions, it's more likely due to not being in an active enough forum or not being seen by the right people rather than people not answering purely because it's not as technical as other questions might be.
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As I said from the beginning, it was obvious to me very quickly that XDA was far and away the BEST Android forum. That is why I chose it and though I did register on one or two other forums, I have rarely ever visited them (other than, as I mentioned, through Google searches).
For best discussion purposes, I don't think we should focus on my specific issues with getting questions answered (even though they did somewhat provoke this thread). I have a Sprint Galaxy S4, not an unpopular phone or inactive forum, and I feel I am able to express my issues relatively well. However, I finally left that forum with my question, having gotten nowhere (though my issue is VERY unusual) and went to the general Galaxy S4 forum, and received the best help I have received from a user from outside the USA who was totally unfamiliar with Sprint system software, but made general recommendations that I found greatly helpful. However, I am just one person and I digress somewhat...
I would think it would be fair to say that XDA is NOT the best Android forum for users who want to be spoon-fed (unless, perhaps, they limit themselves to N00B friendly threads)... I am personally not as annoyed by these types of people as many are, but I certainly see many here who are (how often do you see, "read the OP")... I was recently following a thread where a new user kept being referred to the OP, even though clearly it WAS NOT answering his question (which was outside of my personal knowledge, though I did try). Perhaps there are better Android forums for these types of people (not referring to the person in the last example) than XDA?
OR... maybe just send them to one of zepplinrox' threads :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32472429&postcount=15372
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32475760&postcount=15374

All forums are good since they are all providing free tutorials which help the users .
The only advantage xda has is that the OWNERS do their best to keep the forum up , thing which require a good paid server and monthly payments .. other forum owners simply do not afford paying for the fees each month from the simple reason that once the visitors are getting big in numbers the forum server also do require some server updates . So thanks XDA owners for keeping this forum up !!

alin razvan said:
...The only advantage xda has is that the OWNERS do their best to keep the forum up...
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WOW... you're leaving yourself a little wide open with that comment I think...
(No offense intended...)

People seem to forget XDA is not a support forum. It never has been.
As the motto says: "For Developers, By Developers".

the_scotsman said:
People seem to forget XDA is not a support forum. It never has been.
As the motto says: "For Developers, By Developers".
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Now that's the kind of strong opinion I was looking for! :good: (Whether we choose to agree or disagree...)

the_scotsman said:
People seem to forget XDA is not a support forum. It never has been.
As the motto says: "For Developers, By Developers".
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Actually, that was exactly the response I wanted to hear when I started this thread (and from a MOD too!). It is not for me to say whether that is right or wrong (or for anyone else to say, IMO), everyone is entitled to their opinion, that is why I started this thread. But I guess I am interested in what percentage of users here feel that way? I am SURE it is a larger percentage than at other Android forums. However, that may be made somewhat irrelevant by this forum having (I AM ASSUMING) a larger user base than the other Android forums, so when that percentage is removed, there are still more users here interested in supporting others. And, of course, I am not saying this is or is not a support forum. Opinions are what I want! :good:
(TOTALLY IRRELEVANT QUESTION for the_scotsman, haggis muncher from Australia: I go to the Scottish Highland Gathering & Games in Pleasanton California every year and I am mystified as to how the didgeridoo seems to have become a Scottish instrument... know anything about this?)

rsngfrce said:
(TOTALLY IRRELEVANT QUESTION for the_scotsman, haggis muncher from Australia: I go to the Scottish Highland Gathering & Games in Pleasanton California every year and I am mystified as to how the didgeridoo seems to have become a Scottish instrument... know anything about this?)
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hah! I have no idea to be honest! Seems to be a sort of link between Scottish bands using didgeridoos for some reason...perhaps because they sound good played together with bagpipes :good:

Am I the only one finding these Forums are extremely problematic to navigate?

Hi!
Am I the only one finding these Forums are extremely problematic to navigate?
I cannot easily find the right place to post etc. The whole thing seems random, counterintuitive or broken! Am I the only one? Do I miss something?
I cannot find really an Android OS subforum, a Mobile Accessories forum, etc.
Thanks!

Meh, no big issues. Place a bookmark...
Google search: *search item", XDA
XDA Sub Forums | XDA Developers
Founded in 2002, XDA is the world’s largest smartphone and electronics community. Looking for the latest tech news and reviews? Want to do more with your Android phone, Windows PC, iPhone, iPad, or MacBook? Look no further than XDA.
www.xda-developers.com

Sorry doesn't help
I am posting a lot of general questions not for a particular manufacturer or model.
The General-type of subforums are extremely hard to navigate to. How can I reach these? Whenever I try to reach the forums, it shows specific Manufacturers.

mobilos said:
Whenever I try to reach the forums, it shows specific Manufacturers.
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Yes, it is very biased towards thinking everything is a manufacturer.
If I search for "EDL" the first 10 results are Motorola Edge, Samsung Edge and "Realme GT Master Edition"???

aster221 said:
Frustrated with forum navigation? Many users are finding the forums difficult to navigate with a lack of clear organization and subforums. Let's hope the issue gets resolved soon. #ForumNavigation #UserExperience"
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You haven't even been here that long... warning learning curve ahead. You get to use your brain.
I don't have much trouble. I can find what I want easily most times. Most here understand the system and its limitations.
Most forums aren't any easier... the simplest solution other then already mentioned here is to start your own forum. That way it will be perfect.

blackhawk said:
I don't have much trouble.
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Get serious. The taxonomy here is completely opaque.
The (full website) "Topics" sidebar is completely useless.
The big banner for "XDA Computing" is misleading/distracting (even if they are trying to promote it).
The fact that newbs are always posting stuff in the wrong place is surely a reason to reconsider some of this.
The fact that this thread is in "Forums -> XDA Computing -> Build-a-PC -> Battlestations" is another.

All of these complaints and questions belong in this thread.

Renate said:
Get serious. The taxonomy here is completely opaque.
The (full website) "Topics" sidebar is completely useless.
The big banner for "XDA Computing" is misleading/distracting (even if they are trying to promote it).
The fact that newbs are always posting stuff in the wrong place is surely a reason to reconsider some of this.
The fact that this thread is in "Forums -> XDA Computing -> Build-a-PC -> Battlestations" is another.
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It's not terrible... you don't know what's terrible.
I have dyslexia and play with this site easy

V0latyle said:
All of these complaints and questions belong in this thread.
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Thread has been moved to
About xda-developers.com
Anything to do more with the site than with the phones. Feature requests, announcements, praise, moaning, etc. :)
forum.xda-developers.com

mobilos said:
I cannot find really an Android OS subforum,
Thanks!
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It's by design.
svetius said:
Honestly, I don't like the idea of giving General Development much higher visibility...I much rather people use the search, and go into a specific section for the sake of organization.
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Android Development and Hacking
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Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting
This forum is for all of your questions about Android Development and Hacking. If you need help troubleshooting a problem, please be as specific as possible by describing your software configuration, including the ROM, kernel, and any modifications you've done.
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