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I'm so confused as to which nexus to pick. I like the screensize of the 5x but the specs on 6p are better. I want a high end phone but at the same time i don't want a phablet. What are you guys going for?
If you do not consider screen size when deciding which model to get you will be disappointed in the long run.
I'm going for the 5x. I have the moto 6 atm
I can't decide either. I prefer IPS LCD displays rather than AMOLED displays because the exaggerated colors on AMOLED displays!
In the other hand 6p has more battery capacity with lower screen size than N6! And a nice metal design! I don't care that much about their cpu/gpu or ram specifications.
Other thing is storage size, I need more than 32gb. I prefer 64gb with atleast a reasonable price.
I am going with the 5x if it has a notification LED. Otherwise I will stick with my 2013 Nexus 5 for another year. I need a device with a robust notification system and nothing beats a customizable light for that. I can tell from across a room what notification my phone has and at work that is priceless as I cannot continually be using my phone. The ambient display of the nexus 6 is not good enough. The notifications time out/turn off after a period of time and aren't customizable in any way.
The 6P is too big for me. It may as well be a Note or whatever.
Add an option for neither. I think you'll be surprised on how many people will pass on these phones.
N5X - too little RAM, too small battery, a bit pricey for what it offers.
N6P - a phablet that many people don't want to deal with the size of, SD810 processor known for overheating and throttling, destroying performance. Very fair price for 32GB version, although we can put that down to the fact it's carrying specs which most flagships have had for the last 6-8mths, so you're really buying in the middle of a generation-cycle.
I was originally going to go for the N5X to replace my N5, but the next phone I buy has to have GREAT battery life. It doesn't matter to me what Google has done with their new 'Doze' feature to extend standby time, this N5X will not get more than 3hrs SOT, guaranteed. So it's a 'No' from me. Guess I'll keep waiting/looking :-/
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Add an option for neither. I think you'll be surprised on how many people will pass on these phones.
N5X - too little RAM, too small battery, a bit pricey for what it offers.
N6P - a phablet that many people don't want to deal with the size of, SD810 processor known for overheating and throttling, destroying performance. Very fair price for 32GB version, although we can put that down to the fact it's carrying specs which most flagships have had for the last 6-8mths, so you're really buying in the middle of a generation-cycle.
I was originally going to go for the N5X to replace my N5, but the next phone I buy has to have GREAT battery life. It doesn't matter to me what Google has done with their new 'Doze' feature to extend standby time, this N5X will not get more than 3hrs SOT, guaranteed. So it's a 'No' from me. Guess I'll keep waiting/looking :-/
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I think you're pretty spot on here. I was hoping for a spec bump on the 5X as a excuse to Swappa out the M9 for a N5X, however it would basically be a spec downgrade at this point, or a spec match on the 6P, in which case, probably not worth the hassle. Guess I'll just be waiting until the next round of phones in Spring 2016!
Also, for the record, I've had very little issue with the 810's performance on the M9. There was a large update that worked towards mitigating some of the throttling, and the phone still has plenty of juice while warm. I wouldn't consider it a poor chip by any means, and do not let this dissuade you if you are set on a 6P!
I ditched my Nexus 6 due to its AMOLED display. My eyes were burning from its over-saturated colors.
But I now i want to go with 6P. I already spent quite a time with LG's N4 and N5. Huawei's turn.
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I am going with the 5x if it has a notification LED. .
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It has been confirmed that the 5X has an LED notification light, this was a big concern of mine too.
I really don't want a 6 inch (or 5.7) phone. i have the GS5 right now and still think it's too big. I have yet to own a nexus phone so i'm thinking purely based on screen size that i'll go with the 5X. Not too concerned about 2GB of ram, and i think the 808 will do just fine with vanilla M. I am bummed about no wireless charging, i added it to the GS5 even though it made the back quite bigger, but USB C will be nice.
I would've gone with the 5 if it had a 64GB and 3GB ram option.
The battery I think is fine since my current 5.7 QHD Moto X as a 3000Mah battery which gets bout 4hrs SOT so I think a 2700 on a 5.2" display should be fine.
The storage and ram really bothered me and it's shame for N5 users since it' barely an upgrade.
I did go with the 6P,I worry about the 810 since I also got a chance to use the OPT and wasn't impressed
I went with the 5X 16 gig. I stream everything (thanks Verizon unlimited) and really don't use a ton of apps. All my photos get instantly backed up to Google Photos so I can just delete them from my phone whenever.
Not even remotely worried about performance and any phone has a better camera than my Moto X 2013 that I use now. If I want really nice pics I'll bring my Sony point and shoot along.
I'm a short dude. I have no idea how I'd fit the 6P in my jeans pocket this winter. And I don't even wear skinny jeans.
The only thing I'm bummed about is the lack of cables that come with the phone. No C to A cable included AND the wall charger cable isn't detachable. Weak.
I really, really wanted to want the 5X. I love my Nexus 4. I like the LG company. But with $80 getting me another GB of faster ram, metal build, larger battery, faster charging, and (the big one) better graphics, I had to go with the 6P.
I wanted something N4/iphone 6 size though. If it's too large for me I will return it.
I went with 5X 16g as well. I have no need for extra space, I usually move my photo and video to NAS. As far as for music, I stream them online. LG is the company I trust since N4 to my current N5. A Chinese run company? I don't know??? Time will change my mind.
I went with the 5X because I currently have an LG G3 (which is almost the exact same size despite having a larger screen) and the screen size is at the limits of what I can use one-handed. The monstrous size of the 6P is just too big for me.
this is my first High end phone; i took the 5X 16Gio!
I took it because I thought is was more ecological than buying a Android phone, a Ubuntu phone and a FirefoxOS phone... The N5 couls run all these OS, I really hope the N5X does!
I am quite disappointed though, I thought it was a 3.1 USB port and thus could accept a keyboard and a screen...
Of course most of us want the highest spec'd device, that's normal. I want a more compact size phone (not phablet sized) and for it to perform the way I want (no matter what the specs are) with the latest greatest stock Google software updates. I want a good phone camera. I believe the 5X is the best choice. The 5X is going to scream
I don't watch movies listen to music or play games on my phone so the 16g 5x is plenty for me but I did order the 32g blue ice
One factor to consider in the US is that the 6P supports LTE band 30 whereas the 5X does not. LTE 30 is a new band supported by AT&T.
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yeah i ended up ordering the 5x but it is tough to cough up the money for it considering you get so much more phone in the 6p for a little bit more money, keeping in mind that the two are from completely different kinds of companies.
100% of my decision came down to size. I just dont think there is ever a need for a phablet.
I do wish the quick charge was better (i hear that the 6p quick charges much more quickly)
amoled makes more sense for ambient display which is a must for me coming from a moto x dev
and that 240fps video of the hummingbird is delicious
all the other stuff about storage is a non issue. This is what cloud services are for
and 2gb ram should be plenty. If more performance is needed, this needs to be done on the software side. its like worrying about horsepower in a car and ignoring weight.
I chose the nexus 5x. It was what we N5 users wanted on the first place. Just an updated N5, we kept on saying that we just need a better camera, and better battery and of course updated specs(but not the best), for only a little bit higher than the price of the original N5. If anything, google actually listened to their customers.
I think google screwed themselves over for releasing two phones at the same time, giving customers too many options creates anguish.
Question, if google only released N5x and you had no knowledge about 6p, would you still have your doubts?
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the OnePlus 3, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the OnePlus 3 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Looks and feels just right. Has all the essential ingredients of a very good device - nice display, Camera and fast!
I named mine cold Betty. She's cold to the touch, but her love is so warm.
I like so much OnePlus 3 and it really gives me awesome feel, and I fall in true love with it. When I am take it in my hand I am just fits in perfectly in my palms.
I have so many gorgeous protective cases.
OnePlus 3 like to me on first sight for so much but beautiful stuff.
It is a pity that the rear camera of OnePlus is protruding, though it uses 16MP lens IMX298 from Sony.
OnePlus 3 smartphone supports dual sim card dual standby.
OnePlus also gifts me one more VR Headset. Before announcing OnePlus 3 smartphone And this VR Headset is not made by OnePlus either, instead by AntVR.
And have very good battery and features fast charging technology.
Its a good phone for a reasonable price but not a flagship killer for an amazing price.
Isn`t a good phone all we need realy, most extra features on the `flagships` are useless to me anyway
Beautiful phone with a crystal clear display and a powerhouse of its own class
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Love the phone so far. Extremely fast, very responsive fingerprint scanner and beautiful, vibrant screen.
Great phone so far.
The LG G4 on the other hand was frustrating as a device if not for the awful software experience that I couldn't even fix even if I wanted to. Never again doing anything but OnePlus or Nexus. G4 was a huge mistake.
Current 6p and HTC 10 user here and I can't even begin to say how impressed I am with this OP3. Grant it I've only had it half a day, so far I'm completely blown away!! Almost 3 hours sot right now and battery at 50% ?I love everything about it. Only mediocre thing is the external speakers. Amazing camera, beautiful screen, perfect size, feels greet in the hand, shoot it even looks great! Oh and the finger print reader is way faster than both the 10 and 6p. But the thing that impressed me the most is the skin. I'm still bone stock and I never leave phones stock.. it just has all the things Google SHOULD have in stock MM.. no bloatware either.. just an impressive handset and all for 400$ bucks! Here's some photos and screen shots! https://goo.gl/photos/RgwFUT3Rwhyt6XJL6
Nexus 6P, 5x, Note4, LG G4, S6 Edge, OP2 owner here.
OnePlus 3 is very much what Nexus 6P should be. It's lighter and faster than 6P and easier to grip and easier to use.
The 6P has the better display and better all around camera but the OP3 has everything most power user would ask for.
Tap to wake, Dark mode, and customizeable buttons are great to have. Hated how stock Android doesn't have these simple features.
Come from oneplus one, buy it to replace my 6p
using it since last night, overall it's worth buy. Excellenct build quality. loud speaker ( not good as dual-front facing stereo speakers like m8 and 6p, but it's loud and clear. ) good camera ( 6p>op3>note 5 ) ,crazy fast charge, feel rock solid in hand. battery seems ok with 5h SOT on lastest oxygen 3.1.3
I think it's a bang for just 400$
I totally loved my OPO, but now this piece of awesomeness OP3 is my new favorite
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Great phone
Love it
Loving my device. Sold my S7 Edge in platinum today. My one plus came in today. That should say a lot. This thing is a beast.
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It's all that.
As a previous owner of the oneplus 1 and then the oneplus 2, I can say that oneplus has out done themselves. I got my 3 in yesterday. Couple of quick points:
1. I waited for 6 weeks after initial launch date to just get an invite for the oneplus one (June 2014). It took the company 4 more weeks to get it to me after ordering and paying for it. Customer service sucked, invite system sucked, logistics and management sucked... Just about everything with the company SUCKED.
But the phone was awesome.
The specs and price couldn't be matched. That was the first phone I can honestly say I have ever fallen in love with. No screen issues or any of the other crap a lot of people were complaining about. Just pure love for the device, borderline hatred for the company though.
2. The oneplus 2 comes out last summer, again, with an invite system but I get lucky and receive one for being an early forum user within 2 weeks of official launch. It took them 6 weeks to get the phone to me. Was excited when I first got it, and then my optimism quickly turned to disappointment. The oneplus 2 was not nearly worth the upgrade. I should have kept my oneplus one in hindsight. Total buyer's remorse and top of that, the company still didn't have their shlt together. Again, customer service still sucking hard, untimely bug fixes for the OS, lags and heating problems with the phone, I could go on and on... Horrible experience all the way around. Hated that damn phone.
3. One more shot oneplus. Buying my 3rd phone from them in less years. 3 total phone purchases in less than 2 years. And only had the oneplus 2 since late September 2015, though it was ordered and processed the 2nd week of August.
With much apprehension, I placed my order for the 3, Monday afternoon, June 20, to be shipped to Atlanta, GA. I was distraught when my DHL shipping email was received telling me that the phone was in Hong Kong going through customs Tuesday morning. *sigh*, here we go again, I thought, but figured 'at least I didn't have to wait on an invite'. The phone was delivered yesterday afternoon. Less than 72 hours after placing my order, I got my phone in hand. Paid no shipping, no tax.
Totally different buying experience. Blown away. I feel like a parent must feel when they realize their baby is grown up. Almost brings a tear to my eye.
Moved all my crap over from the 2 and have been using the hell out of this thing and I can once again, honestly, say that I have fallen in love with my phone. It's my second love, the first being the oneplus one and now the 3. I have no qualms what so ever with this purchase. Awesome device. Just awesome, everything is as it should be. I have no plans to replace Oxygen or run a custom kernel. Though I have rooted it for using certain apps I can't live without. Adaway anyone?
I don't usually give any credence to these phone benchmark scores or ranks... but out of curiosity, I ran an antutu test and have attached the results. keep in mind, I'm totally stock. Rom, kernel, kernel settings like governor and thermal driver settings are all factory. I just don't see a need anymore, and that's a good thing.
Also, screens showing battery consumption so far. I use high accuracy location to share my whereabouts in real time with my family, that includes WiFi scanning enabled. Bluetooth is always on and connected to my Moto 360 2nd Gen watch, adaptive brightness enabled, vibration on touch and notification on, single Sim (t-mobile).
Anyways, that's my initial rant on things. Been around awhile, at least in oneplus years and right now I am happy as can be. This phone is a monster. Beautiful, sleek and cool on the outside, but down right vicious on the inside.
Don't be worried if your on the fence about getting one, it may not be 100% to 100% of everyone, but what is? You won't be disappointed.
Peace out my brothers from other mothers.
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He lived up to our expectations as a great device, leaving his successor with big shoes to fill.So far the was exactly that. Its beautiful screen coupled with its new oxygen operating system and the old familiar
wow, some even prefering it over the 6p!
well, i watched some reviews of the op3, it is so blazing fast.
how is the ram management for you op3 owners? and how is the display pentile pixel thingie?
some reported problems about ram management/pentile pixel issue, and OP replied quick that they will come with a new software update and fix those 2 issues.
would you op3 who owned a 6p really advise the op3 over a 6p?
(i am saving up for a 6p currently..) i could easily buy a MotoXPure as it is very cheap at 300$ , but it reminds me alot of my current phone lol.. so i rather want something more innovated.
While I like the device a lot I kinda miss the form factor and size of my nexus 5x. The s820 still has some stutter here and there that bothers me. Wish qualcomm could make a chip like the exynos cpus. Other than that ill hold onto it for awhile. At least until the next nexus comes.
I love the HTC One M8. I've had mine for about 2.5 years now and it has worked well. Battery life is still good. If the camera took higher resolution photos and the processor was a little faster, I'd stick with it. This is my 3rd HTC phone. I never buy a phone right after it is released, preferring to see how well it is liked after the first year or two. The M9 was pretty much a disaster, so I left that out of consideration. Then there's the HTC 10.
The HTC 10 looked to be everything I want in a phone, going from the M8. It has good reviews and is recommended as a used phone. But... I didn't do enough homework and unfortunately discovered it has some serious problems. I was one of the unlucky ones. I bought a great condition HTC 10 and thought I'd gotten a good deal. The screen is noticeably richer in color, brighter, and processor speed is faster. But I ran into that nasty battery problem. It shuts down at around 25% and goes into a boot loop that won't quit until you plug in the phone. That's when I went on-line and looked up this problem... much to my dismay, discovering that this is a pretty common problem with no simple fix. I'm in the process of dealing with the seller to return the phone.
Now that I've witnessed this nightmare first hand, I'm very leery of trying this again, buying another used HTC 10. At this point, the U11 is still too new and costly. Frankly, I really don't see a good path... except maybe a Samsung S7. But I've never liked Samsung phones. I much prefer HTC Sense.
I'm wondering if I should just hang onto my One M8 for another year and see how things go with the U11. Or maybe consider a Google Pixel 2.
If you were an owner of a One M8 and upgraded to a better phone, which one did you choose and are you happy with it?
I'd say stick with M8 until it dies, there's really no better replacement for this phone except 10, but as you said it's hit or miss.
U11 definitely isn't a bad phone, but it doesn't have the soul of older HTCs IMO.
Also it really depends what thing in phone do you need the most - build quality and materials? speed? audio quality? overall experience?
ZTE Axon 7 is a solid all rounder and should feel like an upgrade of everything in M8. It's a bit old now though, but if age or manufacturer doesn't concern you then it should be a good choice.
Galaxy S7 also isn't that bad. Hardware wise S series are always one of the best - great camera and display, however it's a Samsung, so due to it's heavy UI it's slower than comparable phones.
OnePlus 5T has four pros - price, speed, ram and metal unibody. Apart from those it really doesn't stand out.
My next phone for 90% is LG V30 - it's pretty much a great all rounder with focus on audio and camera/video quality and that's what interest me the most.
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I'd say stick with M8 until it dies, there's really no better replacement for this phone except 10, but as you said it's hit or miss. U11 definitely isn't a bad phone, but it doesn't have the soul of older HTCs IMO.
Also it really depends what thing in phone do you need the most - build quality and materials? speed? audio quality? overall experience?
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While I'm not a heavy camera/video user, I'd like to have better hardware. The M8 employs this dual 4MP lens design that, while good for its day, is lagging far behind now. All of those factors are important for me: build quality/materials, system and video speed, audio quality, and user experience. The M8 has a great user experience and generally performs quickly, with really terrific audio quality. The screen looks fine, but next to an HTC 10? It's not as bright and quite as color rich.
ZTE Axon 7 is a solid all rounder and should feel like an upgrade of everything in M8. It's a bit old now though, but if age or manufacturer doesn't concern you then it should be a good choice.
Galaxy S7 also isn't that bad. Hardware wise S series are always one of the best - great camera and display, however it's a Samsung, so due to it's heavy UI it's slower than comparable phones.
OnePlus 5T has four pros - price, speed, ram and metal unibody. Apart from those it really doesn't stand out.
My next phone for 90% is LG V30 - it's pretty much a great all rounder with focus on audio and camera/video quality and that's what interest me the most.
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I've not warmed up to these other brands, like ZTE, Huawei, OnePlus. Comparably they've not been on the market for very long. I've read about reliability issues after a couple years of ownership, so getting one of those used is outside my consideration.
Two of my family members have Samsung Galaxy phones, and I can't stand their UI. It's utterly ridiculous how they bury mobile data access control. You should be able to 1) double-finger swipe down, and 2) uncheck mobile data. That's how HTC works. But with Samsung, you've got to swipe, click, swipe, click, swipe, click to get to the mobile data control. They probably did that as a "friend to the carrier" so you'll use up more mobile data because it's too much of a pain to turn it off. Screw that. Of course, you could install a widget for controlling that... but it takes up real estate and it's simply illogical--this should be accessible from the swipe-down menu.
I have to say, I'd looked at the LG V30 and was considering it... until I read LG V30 REVIEW: GROUNDBREAKING PHONE WITH A DEAL-BREAKING FLAW. Screen resolution, clarity, and color rendition is important to me, and the V30 drops the ball. I did look at it compared directly to a couple other phones in a cellular phone store, and I have to agree it's not on par with the competition.
Honestly many smartphones nowadays have some type of problems, it's a gamble to get a perfect one.
As the review said, V30 has bad OLED display, but it's not 100% chance that every model will be as bad and that's what I'm hoping for when I get one.
Pixel 2 phones also had issues with display and some other things. Some of them got fixed with software upgrade, but not all of them, you should look into it.
Can't really think of any other solid phones that could be a good upgrade over M8 and not too expensive. Maybe something from Sony? I've thought about Xperia XZ Premium for a long time myself - hardware wise it's pretty good and their UI is very simple. The size is what put me off - it's just too big to be comfortable, V30 with half an inch bigger display feels pretty snug in hand.
That said, maybe the smaller XZ or XZ1 might be a better choice.
If not then I guess you could think about U11 - it's definitely not a bad phone, but different than M8. If you could accept it's cons it would be a pretty good choice.
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Honestly many smartphones nowadays have some type of problems, it's a gamble to get a perfect one.
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No doubt at all. I'm not expecting perfection, only issues that I can live with. The HTC 10 isn't perfect, but without the reported battery issue it would be my choice for now. If I could find a totally checked out excellent condition example for about $150, I'd be happy. I'd even consider $195, for refurbished/like-new with warranty. In my book, $500~$600 for a new phone is too much. $300~$350 is about right. Back when the Evo 3D was still in play, if the battery was faulty all you'd have to do is swap it out. Unfortunately everyone has moved to these embedded batteries. It really sucks. Was a slim case that compelling enough to do it? I'd rather have a phone where half of it is thicker to house the removable battery. Far easier to manage. But, I think the ulterior motive was control. Now cellular phone makers don't have to worry about non-OEM / 3rd party questionable batteries being used in their phones. What they could have done is make intelligent batteries with circuitry required for usage, something a clone battery maker can't copy.
As the review said, V30 has bad OLED display, but it's not 100% chance that every model will be as bad and that's what I'm hoping for when I get one. Pixel 2 phones also had issues with display and some other things. Some of them got fixed with software upgrade, but not all of them, you should look into it.
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It might have been a production batch issue... you'd have to look at other reviews. I did hear about the Google Pixel 2 having some issues but it looks like they were successfully addressed. And they're more readily apparent and easier to verify than something like a vague battery issue.
The U11 is a very nice phone, but too pricey for me right now. However, the U12 comes out in May. Maybe I'll wait until then for a U11 price drop.
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I love the HTC One M8. I've had mine for about 2.5 years now and it has worked well. Battery life is still good. If the camera took higher resolution photos and the processor was a little faster, I'd stick with it. This is my 3rd HTC phone. I never buy a phone right after it is released, preferring to see how well it is liked after the first year or two. The M9 was pretty much a disaster, so I left that out of consideration. Then there's the HTC 10.
The HTC 10 looked to be everything I want in a phone, going from the M8. It has good reviews and is recommended as a used phone. But... I didn't do enough homework and unfortunately discovered it has some serious problems. I was one of the unlucky ones. I bought a great condition HTC 10 and thought I'd gotten a good deal. The screen is noticeably richer in color, brighter, and processor speed is faster. But I ran into that nasty battery problem. It shuts down at around 25% and goes into a boot loop that won't quit until you plug in the phone. That's when I went on-line and looked up this problem... much to my dismay, discovering that this is a pretty common problem with no simple fix. I'm in the process of dealing with the seller to return the phone.
Now that I've witnessed this nightmare first hand, I'm very leery of trying this again, buying another used HTC 10. At this point, the U11 is still too new and costly. Frankly, I really don't see a good path... except maybe a Samsung S7. But I've never liked Samsung phones. I much prefer HTC Sense.
I'm wondering if I should just hang onto my One M8 for another year and see how things go with the U11. Or maybe consider a Google Pixel 2.
If you were an owner of a One M8 and upgraded to a better phone, which one did you choose and are you happy with it?
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I'm in the same boat as you are. I love my M8, but with some of the new technology out there, and with the M8 still sporting Android 6 (I've tried Oreo - don't really like it), I was a hair away from buying the U11. But I just couldn't see spending $600 for a new phone.
Then I looked at the Moto z2 Force - a great phone with specs similar to the U11. And I can get the Motorola for about $375.00
To me, there is one main "con" for each of these phones:
Moto: Not water or dust resistant (U11 is)
U11: Price is high
Both: No headphone jack
If the Motorola had an IP67 or 68 rating, I'd get it in a heartbeat.
And if the U11 price went down to, say, $400, I'd grab it right away.
To me, those are the two strongest candidates. And the Moto has mods (if that interests you).
I love Sense, and it's able to be added to most phones now, but it's not the same as being built-in.
I love the M8 and has been my all-time favorite phone. I've since moved on to LG V10 and V20, but there are weeks where I pop out my sim card and throw into my M8. Battery on my M8 is still just as good as my V20, and the M8 is just that perfect phone. I wish they could have squeezed a 5.2 inch display and while I loved the Ultra Pixel in its day, its still not bad. In fact I used it over Easter, and in doors I grabbed some great photos that probably would have been hard for my V20 in lower light.
I've also thought of actually selling my V20 and picking up an HTC 10. I've been watching all the phones that come into Swappa. Personally I'm not into the all glass phone trend, so the U11 isn't really an option.
However the only thing that holds me back from picking up a 10 is I'm just not happy with the front design. It reminds me too much of a mash up between an iPhone and an Galaxy S6/S7. I realize that was intentional by HTC, as they had great success with the A9, which was mostly an iPhone clone. But when I see the 10 in a case(which is probably what I'd do), it just kind of loses that unique HTC design touch that was great with the M7-M9. Although I do love Sense as a skin.
I don't think I'll ever let go of the M8.
Hi guys, could anyone tell where to buy an m8 or 10 for cheap right now? Any suggestions plz?
I sold my m8 an year ago for a note 3; I'm tired of the sammy now, and wish to get rid of it.
I checked some Aliexpress listings, but they come off as a bit shady and untrustworthy?
Any reliable sources to grab one of these?(I live in South Asia)
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Hi guys, could anyone tell where to buy an m8 or 10 for cheap right now? Any suggestions plz?
I sold my m8 an year ago for a note 3; I'm tired of the sammy now, and wish to get rid of it.
I checked some Aliexpress listings, but they come off as a bit shady and untrustworthy?
Any reliable sources to grab one of these?(I live in South Asia)
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Maybe try Swappa? Someone might do international shipping for you. Most are pretty cheap.
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Maybe try Swappa? Someone might do international shipping for you. Most are pretty cheap.
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The problem with Swappa is exactly with the shipping scene, they just won't ship the device to any international location outside the States. This seemed to be the case at least with the M8 and 10.
Thanks for your suggestion though
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The problem with Swappa is exactly with the shipping scene, they just won't ship the device to any international location outside the States. This seemed to be the case at least with the M8 and 10.
Thanks for your suggestion though
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That is too bad. How about eBay?
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dhrjbhtt0 said:
Hi guys, could anyone tell where to buy an m8 or 10 for cheap right now? Any suggestions plz?
I sold my m8 an year ago for a note 3; I'm tired of the sammy now, and wish to get rid of it.
I checked some Aliexpress listings, but they come off as a bit shady and untrustworthy?
Any reliable sources to grab one of these?(I live in South Asia)
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Don't you have a local online selling site? Most often it's the fastest and reliable way to get things cheaper.
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Don't you have a local online selling site? Most often it's the fastest and reliable way to get things cheaper.
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The closest are the Chinese retailers(I'm in India) through Aliexpress, as any of the online retailers like Amazon and Flipkart do not sell the M8 anymore and the HTC 10 is priced unreasonably high, priced at 490ish usd.
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I love the M8 and has been my all-time favorite phone. I've since moved on to LG V10 and V20, but there are weeks where I pop out my sim card and throw into my M8. Battery on my M8 is still just as good as my V20, and the M8 is just that perfect phone. I wish they could have squeezed a 5.2 inch display and while I loved the Ultra Pixel in its day, its still not bad. In fact I used it over Easter, and in doors I grabbed some great photos that probably would have been hard for my V20 in lower light.
I've also thought of actually selling my V20 and picking up an HTC 10. I've been watching all the phones that come into Swappa. Personally I'm not into the all glass phone trend, so the U11 isn't really an option.
However the only thing that holds me back from picking up a 10 is I'm just not happy with the front design. It reminds me too much of a mash up between an iPhone and an Galaxy S6/S7. I realize that was intentional by HTC, as they had great success with the A9, which was mostly an iPhone clone. But when I see the 10 in a case(which is probably what I'd do), it just kind of loses that unique HTC design touch that was great with the M7-M9. Although I do love Sense as a skin.
I don't think I'll ever let go of the M8.
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Nice to see another member here with great appreciation for the M8. Phones like this often get easily dismissed as obsolete tech, but I don't think the M8 lags behind all that badly. It's another story when looking at the M8 over the Evo 3D though!
Side-by-side, the HTC 10 screen looks nicer than the M8. It's brighter, more vibrant colors, and you can tell it has a faster processor. It's not a huge difference, but enough to notice when they're adjacent. But take away the HTC 10, and the M8 starts looking good again. To be blunt, I don't know why people get bent out of shape by bezels. I think they look fine on the M8. And really, the back panel doesn't matter all that much because most people use cases. I could not use my One M8 without one, because it's too slippery and that brushed metal back would get dented/scratched. Being in a case has kept it in excellent shape. I use a translucent TPU case, so you can still see the back a bit while enjoying protection.
Generally the way I operate is to always keep a spare phone as a backup, in case I lose my main phone or run into an issue that I can't easily fix/recover. The spare one is quick and easy to activate, so I don't suffer much down-time. I don't want to be forced to run out to a store and pay top dollar for a new phone. When I misplaced my M8, I reactivated my old Evo 3D. And while it did the job, it was... painful. That thing is just too old now. So I was thinking should I get another M8... or upgrade to an HTC 10. That's when I ran into that battery problem on a gently used HTC 10 that threw my plan in the trash. Given how many people have reported the battery issue, I'm now leery of buying from a reseller that unloads large batches of phones with just minimal testing performed. They're not going to do the 1 hour HTC battery test. And when a seller can't answer your questions well for suffering with English as a 3rd language, it makes it risky.
I checked out Swappa, but didn't see anyone in my immediate area with an HTC 10 for a reasonable price.
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Nice to see another member here with great appreciation for the M8. Phones like this often get easily dismissed as obsolete tech, but I don't think the M8 lags behind all that badly. It's another story when looking at the M8 over the Evo 3D though!
Side-by-side, the HTC 10 screen looks nicer than the M8. It's brighter, more vibrant colors, and you can tell it has a faster processor. It's not a huge difference, but enough to notice when they're adjacent. But take away the HTC 10, and the M8 starts looking good again. To be blunt, I don't know why people get bent out of shape by bezels. I think they look fine on the M8. And really, the back panel doesn't matter all that much because most people use cases. I could not use my One M8 without one, because it's too slippery and that brushed metal back would get dented/scratched. Being in a case has kept it in excellent shape. I use a translucent TPU case, so you can still see the back a bit while enjoying protection.
Generally the way I operate is to always keep a spare phone as a backup, in case I lose my main phone or run into an issue that I can't easily fix/recover. The spare one is quick and easy to activate, so I don't suffer much down-time. I don't want to be forced to run out to a store and pay top dollar for a new phone. When I misplaced my M8, I reactivated my old Evo 3D. And while it did the job, it was... painful. That thing is just too old now. So I was thinking should I get another M8... or upgrade to an HTC 10. That's when I ran into that battery problem on a gently used HTC 10 that threw my plan in the trash. Given how many people have reported the battery issue, I'm now leery of buying from a reseller that unloads large batches of phones with just minimal testing performed. They're not going to do the 1 hour HTC battery test. And when a seller can't answer your questions well for suffering with English as a 3rd language, it makes it risky.
I checked out Swappa, but didn't see anyone in my immediate area with an HTC 10 for a reasonable price.
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I'm in a similar boat as you mate, can't find a legit place to but an m8 or 10 here in South Asia for cheap
PLz tell me if u find someone who does international shipping of either of these two.
Has anyone over here bought any HTC device from aliexpress?
I'm planning on buying an HTC 10 from over there, but don't have any past experiences with any of the sellers over there.
The price seems fine, just north of 250usd.
Any idea anyone might have?
My m8 had a bad battery after all the years of heavy usage, hundreds/countless drops to all kinds of grounds even fell in water a few times.It looks really really bad from the outside,completely full of ditches and scratches and other strange markings, I even managed to "pull/curl" a kind of sharp edge out on a small spot of the aluminum on the back through a drop.But besides that it was/is shutting down between 40-75% everything was working completely fine,so I really didn't want any other phone but an htc after that proof of ruggedness/solidness either.
I also got a dead m9 here that just one day to the other shut off and completely died over time,not even a led is blinking anymore and it's only lifesign is plugged into a PC where it shows up as a Qualcomm service hub, but all that is a different story,just wanted to mention that experience with HTC.
I lived with that m8 then for quite a time and nearly ended up buying another new/refurbished m8/9/10 but then i found the ZTE axon 7 to be my perfect replacement,as it was the only phone with good sounding/loud front facing speakers and an all aluminum body,also I wanted to have a slightly bigger screen and the other advantages of the zte didn't seem bad either.So I bought a used axon for 150€ and even though it has its own faults, like the buttons, I wouldn't change back to the m8 for my daily,not even with a factory new battery.
Hope that wasn't too much to read through
Flash jw 5.4 (the last one based on the A9 port, s-rom), use stock kernel, leave GPS on high accuracy, use it stock = profit. Best smoothness, stability, battery life and android OS for our device. You will enjoy it.
My advice is to wait a little longer, check out U12 and even pixel 3, maybe oneplus 6 (I am notch hater, but maybe you are not).
I'm thinking of picking up a used M9, just to sort of complete what I think is the perfect trifecta of HTC phones. M7, M8, M9.
Yeah, for camera needs I turn to my V20/V10s, but for aesthetics, I don't think any phone comes close to the M series.
M9 could have been a great phone if they had just used a better sensor and thrown in OIS.
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7 years old, my HTC M8 is finally starting to fail. Dot-view now mal-functions, and I can't upgrade anything else without a significant decrease in speed.
I am genuinely happy with this phone. The 'dot-view' function was groundbreaking for its time, as was the body armour that supported it.
I am unsure whether to consider another phone, or upgrade to the HTC 12
Fyi, XDA info:
OnePlus 11 review: A polished 'almost flagship' at non-flagship price
The OnePlus 11, at $699, is a good value proposition against Samsung's Galaxy S23 series, but the existence of the Google Pixel 7 makes things tricky
www.xda-developers.com
799$ in US and 799£ in UK. What a rip-off 799$ is 665£. Why are they charging UK customers 135£ extra for?
XDRdaniel said:
799$ in US and 799£ in UK. What a rip-off 799$ is 665£. Why are they charging UK customers 135£ extra for?
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The US list price doesn't include state sales taxes (7%+ in most states), while UK price includes a 20% VAT
ThrottlePlus strikes again...
849 Euro for 12/256 Gb..
Hate !!! the "design".. Bleahhhh !!!
Good phone , but No wireless charging...
Here is GSMArena review
OnePlus 11 review
The OnePlus 11 this year comes without a Pro model, so the vanilla has a tough job carrying the weight of two devices. After all, it has to convince older...
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Dayuser said:
Here is GSMArena review
OnePlus 11 review
The OnePlus 11 this year comes without a Pro model, so the vanilla has a tough job carrying the weight of two devices. After all, it has to convince older...
www.gsmarena.com
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Seems weird that they did a battery comparison without adding the S23 Ultra to the default listing since most shopping OnePlus will be looking at both.
Spoiler alert: OnePlus gets smoked.
S23U 39:23h vs 30:12h for calls
S23U 21:18h vs 15:09h for browsing
S23U 23:29h vs 19:00h for video
I'm glad that at least they didn't do their performance benchmarks with performance mode toggled on so that people could see just how much OnePlus is throttling the SoC out of the box. Of course, they probably benchmarked the battery without performance mode too which would make this an even worse showing for OnePlus since that throttled X3 core is going to be saving a lot of power that the Samsung isn't.
S23 Ultra 1400 Euro...
NO !!! thank you.., or FO!
Now on Giztop they sell OnePlus 11 with 699 $ (12/256 Gb) with OxygenOS if the customer wants.
I was snooping around to upgrade my OP7Pro finally. I was very interested in Pixel 7 Pro and almost ordered but it turned out the battery life is just bad compared to other current phones. Not something I expected from Google flagship. If not the battery, I would certainly buy it, even if I really dislike the vanilla/pixel barebones android experience. Unfortunately, Tensor G2 is dead on arrival compared to S8Gen2 and power efficiency.
So the only viable alternative for me was Samsung. S23 Ultra is just too big and has this stupid, unnecessary pencil which I will never use. Big size, space wasting pencil and 1400 EUR price is out of the question for me and I was happy to go for S23+. It looks very minimal and nice, specs are good, 4700MAh battery seems to be great on it according to gsmarena review and it seems its a really great phone for its class besides inflated Samsung prices. You can try and price your device like an Apple, but still its just a Samsung, even if a great one, its still a korean dishwasher or refrigerator. Oh, and no PD charger like with Apple...
The only thing lacking is >200 EUR price difference compared to Oneplus 11. An the latter has the slider which I use very often (I also have company IP12 and often use the slider too and i am surprised no other popular brand adopted the physical toggle).
I have a wireless charging on my Iphone and sometimes I use it during a day in the office - since I'm talking half of the day it is kinda usefull for me but I never felt real need for a wireless charger for my OP7Pro which is my personal phone. And having a very fast and bundled charger with device makes it pointless for me so I'm indifferent whether it has charging coil inside or not. I dont see any advantage to either wait for a slow wireless charger or pay premium for a premium and fast wireless charger (if compatible with the phone). I also don't care about IP rating since I treat all my phones as vulnerable to weather.
Overall I preordered OP11 with trading my OP7Pro and figured: either I will like it after 6 months or not and after that I will switch/trade it for S23+ or just wait a year and try the Oneplus 12 flagship if it will be even worth it to consider.
Pixel 7 Pro is the biggest disappointment for me this year. Xiaomi 13/Pro/Ultra even if great phone, I will never touch because of it's bad OS and f-ton of spying stuff. If I have to agree to a license to even start the simple calculator or file manager then something is wrong with this company.
Samsung is too pricey to try it first before OP11. If 11 fails, then I will go with S23+. Seems like a really complete phone besides price.
Guessing by how they had to slash the prices of the OnePlus 9 Pro and 10 Pro, at least in the US, the high end brand recognition is failing here. The OnePlus 10 Pro crashed from $1069 for the top spec model to the current of about $600. They lost many early sales to Samsung and Google that could be had cheap with carrier deals. They were smart to release the OnePlus 11 at the lower prices to start, but lack of being sold by carriers is probably going to further hurt brand recognition. It would not be surprising for OnePlus to shift its focus to foldables and the budget market. As Apple proved with the 14 and 14 Plus, the market for mid range is shrinking, as most want either high end or the cheapest thing they can get.
That said, the OnePlus 11 is definitely the most exciting phone they've released in a long time and has the potential to improve if they refine OxygenOS. Where the 9 Pro and 10 Pro were your typical annual processor bumps, the 11 brings a much more efficient processor, UFS 4 storage, Wifi 7, an improved camera, and more efficient screen. Also, many comparisons have been made to the Pixel 7 Pro. Yes, it has a cleaner software experience and better camera, wireless charging, but the slower, inefficient processor and slightly inferior modem definitely make the Pixel 7 Pro feel more upper mid range than high end. The Pixel 7 Pro is all about software, where the OnePlus 11 is top notch hardware. The biggest mystery is why wireless charging was left out on the 11, especially when it would have boosted accessory sales.
So glad I pre-ordered OP11, right now every time I try to play a graphical intensive game or multi task my Pixel 7 Pro stutters like crazy and even gets crackly audio distortion. I suspect even if OP11 throttles it will blow Tensor 2 trash out of the water.
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Guessing by how they had to slash the prices of the OnePlus 9 Pro and 10 Pro, at least in the US, the high end brand recognition is failing here. The OnePlus 10 Pro crashed from $1069 for the top spec model to the current of about $600. They lost many early sales to Samsung and Google that could be had cheap with carrier deals. They were smart to release the OnePlus 11 at the lower prices to start, but lack of being sold by carriers is probably going to further hurt brand recognition. It would not be surprising for OnePlus to shift its focus to foldables and the budget market. As Apple proved with the 14 and 14 Plus, the market for mid range is shrinking, as most want either high end or the cheapest thing they can get.
That said, the OnePlus 11 is definitely the most exciting phone they've released in a long time and has the potential to improve if they refine OxygenOS. Where the 9 Pro and 10 Pro were your typical annual processor bumps, the 11 brings a much more efficient processor, UFS 4 storage, Wifi 7, an improved camera, and more efficient screen. Also, many comparisons have been made to the Pixel 7 Pro. Yes, it has a cleaner software experience and better camera, wireless charging, but the slower, inefficient processor and slightly inferior modem definitely make the Pixel 7 Pro feel more upper mid range than high end. The Pixel 7 Pro is all about software, where the OnePlus 11 is top notch hardware. The biggest mystery is why wireless charging was left out on the 11, especially when it would have boosted accessory sales.
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No mystery around wireless charging / other compromises. Do you want a cheaper phone or not?
The other compromises I understand, but wireless charging is not hard to implement, and is seen on many budget phones. It's just a coil that goes over the battery. Given that it's on the 10 Pro, they probably could have used the same coil. Considering OnePlus also makes a wireless charging stand, you'd think they want to sell more. Aside from that, this is going to be an outstanding device.
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The other compromises I understand, but wireless charging is not hard to implement, and is seen on many budget phones. It's just a coil that goes over the battery. Given that it's on the 10 Pro, they probably could have used the same coil. Considering OnePlus also makes a wireless charging stand, you'd think they want to sell more. Aside from that, this is going to be an outstanding device.
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null0seven said:
Now on Giztop they sell OnePlus 11 with 699 $ (12/256 Gb) with OxygenOS if the customer wants.
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Thanks for the heads up for Giztop... That's where I saw the 512 Gig version that isn't even an option from the Canadian OnePlus store.... Not sure what the customs import fees/taxes are.... Thanks for sharing.
Hey Guys,
I preordered OnePlus 11 but i am getting confused if i should buy S23 which is like 120$ more in my country. I have small hands. S23 seems light and small which is perfect for my hands. My worry is with small 3900 mah battery. Did anyone know about recent flagships if OneUI or their software degrade or ****ed up battery too much in one year. I would like to use the phone for atleast 3 to 4 years. I also see development is not good for recent Oneplus devices vs zero roms for samsung devices ( knox ****). Is there any chance if OP11 will have some hope for development ?
Or if i am going to use stock rom provided by one plus or samsung then s23 is the better option ?
vikas776 said:
Hey Guys,
I preordered OnePlus 11 but i am getting confused if i should buy S23 which is like 120$ more in my country. I have small hands. S23 seems light and small which is perfect for my hands. My worry is with small 3900 mah battery. Did anyone know about recent flagships if OneUI or their software degrade or ****ed up battery too much in one year. I would like to use the phone for atleast 3 to 4 years. I also see development is not good for recent Oneplus devices vs zero roms for samsung devices ( knox ****). Is there any chance if OP11 will have some hope for development ?
Or if i am going to use stock rom provided by one plus or samsung then s23 is the better option ?
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Sounds like you already have all the answers. Worse phone but pay more and fit better in small hand. Your decision?
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Thanks for the heads up for Giztop... That's where I saw the 512 Gig version that isn't even an option from the Canadian OnePlus store.... Not sure what the customs import fees/taxes are.... Thanks for sharing.
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Please be careful. Chinese version missing several North America bands.
Guyinlaca said:
Guessing by how they had to slash the prices of the OnePlus 9 Pro and 10 Pro, at least in the US, the high end brand recognition is failing here. The OnePlus 10 Pro crashed from $1069 for the top spec model to the current of about $600. They lost many early sales to Samsung and Google that could be had cheap with carrier deals. They were smart to release the OnePlus 11 at the lower prices to start, but lack of being sold by carriers is probably going to further hurt brand recognition. It would not be surprising for OnePlus to shift its focus to foldables and the budget market. As Apple proved with the 14 and 14 Plus, the market for mid range is shrinking, as most want either high end or the cheapest thing they can get.
That said, the OnePlus 11 is definitely the most exciting phone they've released in a long time and has the potential to improve if they refine OxygenOS. Where the 9 Pro and 10 Pro were your typical annual processor bumps, the 11 brings a much more efficient processor, UFS 4 storage, Wifi 7, an improved camera, and more efficient screen. Also, many comparisons have been made to the Pixel 7 Pro. Yes, it has a cleaner software experience and better camera, wireless charging, but the slower, inefficient processor and slightly inferior modem definitely make the Pixel 7 Pro feel more upper mid range than high end. The Pixel 7 Pro is all about software, where the OnePlus 11 is top notch hardware. The biggest mystery is why wireless charging was left out on the 11, especially when it would have boosted accessory sales.
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IF OnePlus Fold later this year is faultless, 11 be my last single screen phone (and the tablet seems attractive)- esp because trade-in 11 will make Fold \ Tablet real affordable.
I agree with you Fold is the future, even for tablets- really looking forward to it.
I disagree about wireless charging- anchors one too much to specific location \ charges slower \ easier to steal or forget \ stops charging if you need to grab and use.
Maybe it's that I use it & move around excessively...
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Thanks for the heads up for Giztop... That's where I saw the 512 Gig version that isn't even an option from the Canadian OnePlus store.... Not sure what the customs import fees/taxes are.... Thanks for sharing.
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Do the math.. What is VAT in Canada? For me is 19% . And if there are other taxes.
And if you have 110v wall socket if it charges with 100w.
Hi everyone.
I am still user Fold 2 from 2 years, before was N9>N20U. Previous year I bought S22U which from 7 months now my girlfriend have and I back to my Fold 2.
I was happy with him but want try again back to Note sereis with S23U.
This is great device, excellent battery life, cameras but from 7 days back to F2 for fun (still good power with S865+ and not bad battery life for me) and back again to S23U is hard. Foldable screen is great feature which I use with pleasure.
S pen use from time to time. I know about s pen and case for it to F4 but I don't have experience with convenience this solution - especially carry in jeans pocket this brick.
Now I don't know what will can do... Wait to 2024 after Fold 5 for good come on the market?
It's hard to me sell only 2 months old S23U.
Or maybe don't tired with s23u and replace it for F4?
F2 cover screen is narrow but F4 have little wider and easy use with one hand.
Maybe is here user above both devices and can advice me?
Wait, just in case.
Depends on your local price? I got the Fold4 three weeks ago. Not because I think it is the better device, but because I got it at 50% the price and I highly doubt the new stuff in Fold5 will make it worth double.
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Depends on your local price? I got the Fold4 three weeks ago. Not because I think it is the better device, but because I got it at 50% the price and I highly doubt the new stuff in Fold5 will make it worth double.
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In guarantee shops still almost 3/4 start price for new and 2/3 for outlet so still high in my country like Poland.
My fold 2 2 years ago bought for 55% start price for new.
So thanks for advice. Maybe when I found discount similar to situation with F2, then worth buy it but if not, so easy wait for coming to market F5
Yeah. And perhaps even check out the pixel fold being presented on wednesday? The wider front screen seems nice
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Yeah. And perhaps even check out the pixel fold being presented on wednesday? The wider front screen seems nice
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Yes, good proposal. Unfortunately Pixel fold mybe is intersting but it's not for me because this is first fold from pixel and like usually will be a lot of bugs in for example construction or software.
I need device for work so need rely in my device in every situation.
Moreover I very like samsung Ui, which is for me very intuitive. I had Pixel 4XL and after almost 2 years I don't get used clean android. My last clean was Nexus 4 (but I liked this) and next only Galaxy Note series for today.
In pixel fold front screen looks nice but interal have very thick frames and not look good.
And what most important in Poland pixel series isn't official accessible so are issues with purchase and respect guarantee.
We had issues with Nexus/Pixels not being here in Denmark officially too, for a very long time.
I have used iPhone since 2008, but have had Samsung mobiles at the same time too, ever since Note 1 was released. Didnt enjoy the tiny 3.5” of the iPhones and that is about the same reason I have a Fold now. Apple is just doing everything they can to save money, by selling antiquated hardware…
At some point Samsung decided that Denmark didnt need the Note series anymore, so I more or less stopped buying from them.
My number one issue with Fold4 is the narrow front screen, and that it for that reason unfolds to a square, instead of landscape. But very nice device, besides from that. And yes, I actually think they made the right choice with the cam underneeth the inner screen. Neither screen nor cam is perfect, but a good compromise.
Think you could be right, that first gen folding from Google could have issues. Good point.
I'll be honest. I had the zfold 4 and then tried out the S23U for a couple months. Only two things I loved were the camera setup and the screen size (quite different than the ZF4 outer screen), but overall, I went back to the ZF4 as it provides a better work tool I got quite used to the form factor and the inside display is a treat to use once you learn all the tricks
Thanks for replies. I like S23U, this is great device but overall is booring.
Fold series give me more fun and look difference compare to other devices.
Now I looking for good pricing F4 and still wait for F5.
I need for daily use 2 simcard and sometimes swap my private simcard to old F2 which still have.
I consider buy F3 because is for good price in my country but shapes, especially front screen are very similar to my F2. Only difference is S Pen support and this is too little
I have a F4. Im with Fold since F2. Meanwhile I have tried a couple of ..Pro and ...Ultra devices but like you said all they become boring to me for a couple of days in use. And more important - super uncomfortable because I carry my phone always in the pants pocket. For me the comfort of use is more important than all. Fold is a Transformer. Stage 1 - one hand super friendly. Stage 2 - mutimedia and multitasking beast like no other. I think I cant go back to a bar phone. I have tried with the bests on the market but no chance.
I have both the ZF4 and S23U. The S23U is totally boring next to the ZF4 other than the cameras (which is the only reason I have/keep the S23U). Also, the S23U is super wide and not comfortable to hold (if you have "normal" hands). Even though the S23U has the SD 8 Gen 2, you don't really notice the difference in day to day use. So, ZF4 remains my daily driver, I'm not planning to get the ZF5. If you can swing it, you'll probably be able to trade the S23U for a ZF5 at a great value. Otherwise, get a deeply discounted ZF4 and sell your S23U.