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Ok, this camera states its 3.2 megapixels. But the picture quality is worse than the one from my old phone which had only 2 megapixels. Do I need to change the settings or anything?
Megapixels have nothing to do with quality, only size. Make sure you have the largest resolution picked and that it is set to SuperFine. Still, the camera on the TP2 is only so-so.
Wow thats stupid. I don't like the camera at all.
Picture quality also depends on the camera lenses used. HTC doesn't really use great lenses.
Sony Ericsson (I had the SE C702 CyberShot phone before) uses very-high-quality camera lenses, and the pictures it produced were great!
Miami_Son said:
Megapixels have nothing to do with quality, only size. Make sure you have the largest resolution picked and that it is set to SuperFine. Still, the camera on the TP2 is only so-so.
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Well, if you have a 8MP camera vs. a 3.2MP camera taking the same exact photo, and you were to print a 3x5" photo from each, the 8MP should still give you better quality than the 3.2MP. The 8MP camera is able to produce 8 mil. pixels whereas the 3.2MP camera can only produce 3.2 mil. pixels. If you were to print the 3x5" photo, the more pixels, the clearer the image.
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Well, if you have a 8MP camera vs. a 3.2MP camera taking the same exact photo, and you were to print a 3x5" photo from each, the 8MP should still give you better quality than the 3.2MP. The 8MP camera is able to produce 8 mil. pixels whereas the 3.2MP camera can only produce 3.2 mil. pixels. If you were to print the 3x5" photo, the more pixels, the clearer the image.
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Again, that's not a quality issue, per se. Anytime you increase the size of a photo without increasing the number of pixels used to display it, the pic will suffer because things like compression artifacts and aliasing will be more pronounced and visible. Not that these things aren't present in both the 3mp and the 8mp images, they will just be more noticeable in the 3mp image that is displayed at the same size as the 8mp image. That's the real value of more megapixels, the ability to increase print or display size without the ill effects. But that has little to do with quality.
I've been a pro photog for the past 18 years and shooting digitally for magazines since 1997. I started with a sub-1mp camera back then and the quality was fine, but the low pixel count limited our ability to use digital pics for more than just 1/4 page shots or smaller. By the time we got to 4mp cameras we were using them for full page spreads without issue. An 8mp camera can now yield a decent two-page spread. Still, the quality of pics hasn't been increased with more megapixels, only our ability to display them at larger print sizes.
It's easy to confuse megapixels with quality and manufacturers share much of the blame for convincing consumers that more mp=better quality with their sales shtick, but when you understand that quality is not necessarily tied to size, you realize that application is the main factor. For instance a 2mp camera can shoot very high quality 4X6 photos, but blowing those same pics up to 8X10 will reveal the weakness in megapixels, not quality. At the optimum size for a particular mp format, more mp does not yield higher quality, only higher storage and processing needs. It will give you more flexibility in cropping if your skills with the camera are lacking, and more format choices when printing, but not higher quality.
So how would I get the best quality out of my camera?
Have you installed the cab that gives you more camera settings? It gives you a SuperFine setting unavailable on the stock setup. Do a search for it. Also, make sure the lens is clean. Handling the phone often causes fingerprints and smudges on the lens that reduce photo quality.
Thank you so much, do you have a link or know the name of it?
The one I found is ExtraCameraModes.cab.
Here ya go.
Ok, it didn't change anything haha. But thanks anyways
I thought it comes with Super Fine by default. Anyway, I've always had to play around with the light settings the get the color I wanted. I set the ISO at 200. And lighting also takes a toll on the quality of the picture.
Anyway, the camera sucks. i wish they had a button to turn off auto focusing when i need to take quick shots lol
Cameras on cell phones are more of a convenience than a sophisticated capture device. While some actually take fairly good photos, I wouldn't expect too much from any of them. They certainly aren't designed to replace a good point-and-shoot.
OK, well thanks for the help everyone!
Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
good one to share , thank you
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good one to share , thank you
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Your welcome mate
Tested camera Super Pixel, quite impressive, 43.3 MB, couldnt attach, too large, had to upload to OneDrive :good:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=1ADC5303B8000E17!167484&authkey=!AB8IRnFt2qnChbQ&v=3&ithint=photo%2cjpg
Photo by LG camera attached :good:
Not much different, doesnt have manual setting, take up too much space
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Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
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I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
kangi26 said:
I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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You cannot change the sensor size, but you can get different number of pixels with the same sensor size, you have 23 Mp phone cameras with same size sensor, or smaller, than others with 12 Mp, like the last Samsung and Huawei, etc...
Having said that, you dont get more info, just 4x more pixels extrapolated from the original. The photos do look sharper, as I confirmed with my tests, but when I resize them to same size, they look the same, and the files are so large they wont load to apps, or be resized like on facebook and look the same again
Bottom line, only worth if we want to make a large print or display in a large hi-rez screen
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You cannot change the sensor size, but you can get different number of pixels with the same sensor size, you have 23 Mp phone cameras with same size sensor, or smaller, than others with 12 Mp, like the last Samsung and Huawei, etc...
Having said that, you dont get more info, just 4x more pixels extrapolated from the original. The photos do look sharper, as I confirmed with my tests, but when I resize them to same size, they look the same, and the files are so large they wont load to apps, or be resized like on facebook and look the same again
Bottom line, only worth if we want to make a large print or display in a large hi-rez screen
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The point I was trying to make (although maybe not all that well), is that you CAN increase the size of the picture, you can make it 100000x160000 and have a picture at 16GP, but if the sensor is only capable of capturing 16MP, you're going to have a pixilated image. Even with some very fancy software work.
With the actual resolution the V10 is capable of taking photos, they can be printed out to large format or displayed on any large monitor without ANY issues at all. (I have a 12mp DSLR and have printed photos up to 4ft wide with EASE)
I guess I'm just calling BS on what is really being accomplished and the expectations that are being set that the app is going to "Get your 16mp camera shoot a 63mp photo"
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I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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You are right. This superpixel camera gives a fake better image. I taken the same image in the same condition with the original V10 H961N camera and with the supercamera, analysed both in paintshop after magnifying and the details in supercamera are very dissapointing. Uninstalled without regrets.
My Sony NEX6 camera has a much larger sensor than the V10, but the same 16 Mp resolution...
I am not saying this app will have 4 times more detail, but dividing every pixel in 4 blended with the pixels around, if properly done, will increase sharpness, as I confirmed with my tests.
Having said that, I will not use it, not worth what we loose on features
The results are real, the app is using a well known photoshop technique but in-app.
Olympus is also using it to up their resolution on their e-m5mII camera.
more info:
http://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/
I recommend having a look at cortexcamera. It uses a similar "trick", but increases the size by only 50%. The result is a stunning 24 MP photo with almost no visible noise and lots of details with no adverse affects from noise reduction. There are a number of limitations though that are basically inherent in the technic. It's best used for rather static scenes and between shots the phone needs a couple of seconds to calculate the resulting image (combined from up to 100 single frames). That being said especially for night or landscape shots I find the results impressive.
Using the Super Resolution Method does not add any more details. Of course it is limited by the sensor. But by doing this, noise is greatly reduced and artifacts like Moire get removed since the program averages the images. This method is done by professional photographers if they want to enhance images when using a mid range shooter.
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The point I was trying to make (although maybe not all that well), is that you CAN increase the size of the picture, you can make it 100000x160000 and have a picture at 16GP, but if the sensor is only capable of capturing 16MP, you're going to have a pixilated image. Even with some very fancy software work.
With the actual resolution the V10 is capable of taking photos, they can be printed out to large format or displayed on any large monitor without ANY issues at all. (I have a 12mp DSLR and have printed photos up to 4ft wide with EASE)
I guess I'm just calling BS on what is really being accomplished and the expectations that are being set that the app is going to "Get your 16mp camera shoot a 63mp photo"
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There are certain benefits upon doing this 4x Spatial Reso Increase. The details don't bump up so much but noise gets significantly reduced and edges become much more detailed rather than edgy. Still its an improvement than nothing. Tho the hype should be re calibrated.
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The results are real, the app is using a well known photoshop technique but in-app.
Olympus is also using it to up their resolution on their e-m5mII camera.
more info:
http://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/
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Exactly this. I was just about to mention the OM-D E-M5 MII. This camera has a 16MP sensor but has a 40MP high-res shooting mode which combines eight exposures into a single image which is how it can manage to get such a high pixel count out of a sensor that's only natively capable of 16MP. You and your subject would need to be completely still though as any movement can create blurs and jagged lines but the results are real, there is a noticeable difference if you look closely.
But that's if you look closely. Having a high pixel counts doesn't mean much unless you need extremely large prints and even then, have you guys seen the huge billboards from Apple saying that the picture was taken with an iPhone 6 or 6S? That's a 8MP and 12MP sensor respectively. Of course, they probably edited the pictures like there's no tomorrow but then if you were going for such huge prints, you probably wouldn't be printing directly from the in camera RAW or JPEG file.
As a hobbyist photographer, I would say learn the manual settings in the built-in camera app. It's more than enough to squeeze the best possible pictures you can get out of the V10's camera. Then go out and buy yourself a MILC or DSLR (but MILC is probably the smarter choice).
thanks for posting this app
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vip57 said:
Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
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Don't lile it
Image processing is way better in stock lg cam app
Yeah pixel count does not matter much. 16mp is plenty for most pics. Unless the program managed to use the ois in here to emulate what the Olympus OMD EM5 Mark II does I dont see how it would get a actual useable larger pixel count without the possiblity of introducing digitial artifacts in the image. And even then unless you were shooting non moving subjects in a studio environment you would get that ghosting effect in the pics. Id rather just take regular shots in Raw and post process if I need to work the pics some more. On a side note, the 5 axis OIS on the Olympus is very Nice. I agree with a previous poster about learning what the manual controls do. Then get a nice camera if you are serious about taking better shots.
Many of the cheaper phones which claim to have 48 MP cameras use an interpolated solution to provide a 4x12 MP image. I can excuse companies to use this method on very cheap phones.
Samsung uses (Tetracell) technology from late 2018 to create a hardware computed 8x4 image while claiming to have a 32 MP camera, this clearly shows when zooming in to crop an image, the blur is real unlike my S8+ f.ex. which actually only has a 12 MP camera. I want to shoot 16:9 photos and these are strictly limited to 8 MP, 4:3H does produce 4x8 but it´s still nowhere near the quality of the S8+ 12 MP camera. I was naive to think that Samsung wouldn´t pull a trick like this on their customers, the shots at low light clearly show the limitations of the camera.
I called Samsung support in Denmark and explained the problem, the lady told me I could choose whatever picture size I wanted in any aspect ratio.... she told me to wait as she was going to find out how, she came back 5 minutes later and told me she couldn´t do it on her models ... of course not, I already knew that. I left her my email because she asked .... not going to do any good.
The pictures are nice for the most part ... just don´t zoom. My Umidigi F1 for 180 dollars takes overall worse pictures but the zooming is far better on pictures as the lines are straight without blur regardless of how much I zoom in, it does not have any low light capability however.
PS: HW sensors will report the cameras as 8 MP because they don´t understand the 4x8 technology. As it is I believe all third party camera apps will detect the same and be limited to 8 MP.
Hi all,
I've read online that the 64MP telephoto sensor actually has a wide lens but takes a 16MP crop. Is this true? If so, that means photos from the tele lens would be 16MP 0.8µm which seems like a massive step backwards.
My questions are:
1.) Can anyone confirm if this is correct?
2.) Does the S20+ allow you to take full sized 64MP photos with no crop or will a 3rd party camera app allow it?
3.) Can a camera app be modded to take 16MP photos at the wide angle using pixel binning with 4 pixels into one to make 16PM 1.6µm photos?
Thanks,
Kris
This is a picture straight from 64MP Camera I didn't check for wide angel outside of normal photos
High Rez Quack https://imgur.com/gallery/8PflfMl
Yeah, I can confirm this....the zoom isn't that impressive in my opinion but at least you have an option of taking a full 64mpx photo for extra crop if needed and if main lens is unable to.
3x is where this phone maxes out per my tests.
Also native camera allows to take full 64mpx photos.
How this 64 Mpix mode is behaving with close objects? Is it have bettery sharpness on corners when compare to main 12 Mpix Wide camera?
In S20, when u set the camera for 3:4 64 MP, the zoom goes only upto 6X. In other settings using 12/9 MP, it goes all the way upto 30X.
Now, when you have 64 MP at your disposal, this format should be more amenable for 30X than 12 or 9 MP format.
Further, I find that 64 MP, 6X does not produce any better image than 12MP, 6X. After 6X, the resultant image with 12 MP contains 2MP & with 64 MP, it should contain 64/6 = 10.6 MP (if it is a crop) & so the latter is expected to show much greater detail without pixelisation. But actually it's not so.
And even after 6X, the file shows the picture contains 64 MP. How's it so? From the quality, it appears like a digital crop rather than optical zoom.
I really doubt if it contains 64 MP.
Did any of u guys observe this?
Think the sensor is definitely 64mp (without zooming in at all), but as soon as you zoom etc it behaves in a hybrid manner, not in a typical cropping manner.
Well, sometimes cameras marked as 12MP are actually higher MP sensor, but they take for example a 16MP image, and reduce it to 12MP and mark that as a 12MP sensor, this way they can get better images
I think that's not the case on the 64MP, it's REALLY 64MP and they didn't cheat anywhere, so if you take a 12MP section of the 64MP base it's not so great because it's not like a smaller sensor where it's cropped intentionally.*
In fact, digital zooming have the advantage of being able to have use of the whole sensor if you want to, and therefor get extreme good quality images, but when zooming in it's never as a good as an optical zoom