Is there some way to get root without unlocking the bootloader/wiping?
AFAIK root requires a custom recovery, to flash a custom recovery requires unlocked bootloader, so simple answer is no.
ghostofcain said:
AFAIK root requires a custom recovery, to flash a custom recovery requires unlocked bootloader, so simple answer is no.
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What functionality do I loose with unlocking? Wiping data of course, but otherwise?
kokesh said:
What functionality do I loose with unlocking? Wiping data of course, but otherwise?
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Nothing, the only downside is the need to wipe data.
ghostofcain said:
Nothing, the only downside is the need to wipe data.
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I want sure about the fingerprint, etc. Thanks!
Damn, read a bit about what a bootloader is, its role is described in its name. Those fears are pointless.
Striatum_bdr said:
Damn, read a bit about what a bootloader is, its role is described in its name. Those fears are pointless.
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Not necessary, coming from other devices. I am no noob, I know what BL is, but some manufacturers tie certain features to locked BL. Sony for example cripples camera when you unlock.
kokesh said:
Not necessary, coming from other devices. I am no noob, I know what BL is, but some manufacturers tie certain features to locked BL. Sony for example cripples camera when you unlock.
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oneplus works same whether the bootlader is locked or unlocked. the only downside is as soon as you lock or unlock your bootloader your phone is wiped completely.
bonham1988 said:
oneplus works same whether the bootlader is locked or unlocked. the only downside is as soon as you lock or unlock your bootloader your phone is wiped completely.
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How does it work with OTA updates? Do those work with TWRP?
kokesh said:
How does it work with OTA updates? Do those work with TWRP?
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Otas dont work with twrp, oneplus releases a singed ota update on their forums usually within a week or two after the official ota. These singned updates can be flashed via twrp.
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The only downside to unlocking the BL on the OP3 is that you get a warning message (http://i.imgur.com/88NcI2K.jpg) when booting the phone. Lots of people hate it, i like it personally. It makes pressing button combos to get into fastboot/recovery obsolete.
bonham1988 said:
Otas dont work with twrp, oneplus releases a singed ota update on their forums usually within a week or two after the official ota. These singned updates can be flashed via twrp.
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And xda often have a TWRP flash able update before the OTA has reached everyone.
ghostofcain said:
AFAIK root requires a custom recovery ...
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If flashing is the only way to root the device, then yes.
And unfortunately flashing seems to be the only way.
kokesh said:
What functionality do I loose with unlocking? Wiping data of course, but otherwise?
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Security. Your data are no more safe if your phone get stolen.
kokesh said:
What functionality do I loose with unlocking? Wiping data of course, but otherwise?
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All SafetyNet apps stop working (Android Pay, PokeGO etc.)
kokesh said:
What functionality do I loose with unlocking? Wiping data of course, but otherwise?
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I loose Android Pay. That's what i miss
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fp1707 said:
I loose Android Pay. That's what i miss
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Use Magisk and its all fine.
Puddi_Puddin said:
Use Magisk and its all fine.
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I tried setting that up but i keep failing. Not sure what i'm doing wrong
NVM i see what i got wrong, now it works just fine
bonham1988 said:
oneplus works same whether the bootlader is locked or unlocked. the only downside is as soon as you lock or unlock your bootloader your phone is wiped completely.
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This is not correct on OxygenOS 4.0.2, it's possible to root without wipe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDRPWvYJYfU
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I have unlocked my gnex and rooted it.And then should I relock it?is there any difference whether relock it or not?thanks in advance
No difference just keep it open because if you ever have to reflash recovery or something you'll have to re unlock and that will wipe all data.
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I would read this...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1898664
danger-rat said:
I would read this...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1898664
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so detail.thank you
The Play Store bought Galaxy Nexus doesn't even wipe when unlocking the bootloader, so there is no reason to bother relocking if that's what you have.
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andrewNY said:
The Play Store bought Galaxy Nexus doesn't even wipe when unlocking the bootloader, so there is no reason to bother relocking if that's what you have.
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Seems like this shouldn't be true...
cwoggon said:
Seems like this shouldn't be true...
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Agreed, but multiple users have reported this. I'm rather curious what's going on with those play store devices. It's hard to believe Google deliberately removed a crucial security feature. If unlocking the bootloader does not wipe userdata, everybody who's not using encryption is basically facing a security risk.
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Seems like this shouldn't be true...
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It's widespread enough to be true.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1650830&page=22
Mach3.2 said:
It's widespread enough to be true.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1650830&page=22
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I was unaware, haven't been following the GNex forums for awhile. Seems like this could be a security issue...
My purpose to root is limited to supersu on the stock rom and xposed framework if possible. I do not want to flash any custom rom.
Is it possible to keep all DRM related functionalities with stock rom + root, with this method?
Will I be able to apply/receive software updates when root enabled? I am worried that I won't be able to apply google updates once root enable, is this an issue? Is there a workaround?
Thanks!
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geocine said:
Will I be able to apply/receive software updates when root enabled? I am worried that I won't be able to apply google updates once root enable, is this an issue? Is there a workaround?
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If you install the simple fix here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=44597339#post44597339
You can install future OTAs successfully and keep root.
geocine said:
Will I be able to apply/receive software updates when root enabled? I am worried that I won't be able to apply google updates once root enable, is this an issue? Is there a workaround?
Thanks!
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Just rooting doesn't prevent updates. You just lose root and have to reapply after update.
Custom recovery means you probably need to download the update file and apply it via the recovery instead of the automatic updater.
Changing or removing system files will almost definitely prevent updates being applied.
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gbroon said:
Just rooting doesn't prevent updates. You just lose root and have to reapply after update.
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Actually I was surprised also, but SuperSU does prevent the OTA from completing successfully.
Read the referenced link.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=44597339#post44597339
I JUST did this. I had TWRP and rooted. I has 15J. Booted my nandroid. Downloaded the 15Q update, restarted to install. TWRP caught the stock image and flashed it.
Then I booted into 15Q. I lost root and TWRP. Flashed over TWRP through fastboot and rooted.
No issues.
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player911 said:
I JUST did this. I had TWRP and rooted. I has 15J. Booted my nandroid. Downloaded the 15Q update, restarted to install. TWRP caught the stock image and flashed it.
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Are you rooted using SuperSU, what version, and can I examine the zip file.
Thanks guys, actually I haven't rooted this device yet. Because I am still reading on stuff here on xda how to do it the right way and the links you posted
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sfhub said:
If you install the simple fix here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=44597339#post44597339
You can install future OTAs successfully and keep root.
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hi sfhub, do I need to do
fastboot oem unlock
before doing
fastboot boot twrp.img ?
I've been rooted since day one and gotten ota updates fine.
I use twrp and just make sure to flash supersu each time and call it good. Not a single problem on my end.
Even still if you bork it just flash factory image. It's pretty simple to get out of a pinch. But rooting and ota should work fine as long as you keep stock image. Just reflash supersu each time and you're good to go.
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hi sfhub, do I need to do
fastboot oem unlock
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fastboot boot twrp.img ?
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If you aren't already unlocked then, yes.
Most people will already be unlocked though if they are rooted.
fastboot oem unlock process will force a factory reset for security purposes so backup anything important.
sfhub said:
If you aren't already unlocked then, yes.
Most people will already be unlocked though if they are rooted.
fastboot oem unlock process will force a factory reset for security purposes so backup anything important.
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I haven't rooted my device yet , I am on all stock. Does 'fastboot boot' just loads the twrp image and not flash it?
How will I be able to backup stuff, are there any other options aside from titanium backup that requires root .
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I haven't rooted my device yet , I am on all stock. Does 'fastboot boot' just loads the twrp image and not flash it?
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Yes.
geocine said:
How will I be able to backup stuff, are there any other options aside from titanium backup that requires root .
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There are some backup apps that don't need root, but probably need to restore.
You can also try adb backup, but it may not backup 100% of your stuff.
I'm not the best person to ask on the backup as I always unlock before I do most of the software installs just so I can avoid losing customizations later on.
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Yes.
There are some backup apps that don't need root, but probably need to restore.
You can also try adb backup, but it may not backup 100% of your stuff.
I'm not the best person to ask on the backup as I always unlock before I do most of the software installs just so I can avoid losing customizations later on.
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Thanks, I am currently backing up using adb., a non 100% backup is better than no backup at all. I hate redoing things.
sfhub said:
Yes.
There are some backup apps that don't need root, but probably need to restore.
You can also try adb backup, but it may not backup 100% of your stuff.
I'm not the best person to ask on the backup as I always unlock before I do most of the software installs just so I can avoid losing customizations later on.
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While we are it, I just want to ask if it is also possible to bring back the bootloader to a locked state. thanks.
geocine said:
While we are it, I just want to ask if it is also possible to bring back the bootloader to a locked state. thanks.
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Yes, very simple, just type
fastboot oem lock
I would advise against doing so unless you plan to return the unit though, as if you ever need to do stuff to your system (even factory restore) then you'd need to unlock again, which would factory reset again.
sfhub said:
If you install the simple fix here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=44597339#post44597339
You can install future OTAs successfully and keep root.
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Here is a post from sfhub
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Here is a post from sfhub
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BTW the author of SuperSU recently implemented the change I made so starting in v1.55 the separate fix is no longer necessary.
sfhub said:
BTW the author of SuperSU recently implemented the change I made so starting in v1.55 the separate fix is no longer necessary.
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The 1.55 update doesn't appear to want to install properly for me from Google Play. Is this an issue of having the OTA fix installed?
Nevermind...i guess i needed to reboot...but, this does beg the question, is there anything related to the OTA fix that needs to be "uninstalled" in general?
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Nevermind...i guess i needed to reboot...but, this does beg the question, is there anything related to the OTA fix that needs to be "uninstalled" in general?
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No, there is nothing to uninstall. It is very clean.
sfhub said:
BTW the author of SuperSU recently implemented the change I made so starting in v1.55 the separate fix is no longer necessary.
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Is there anything I should do if I already have your fix installed?
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Hello,
I'am on rom stock, no custom recovery and bootloader locked.
If I root my OP3, will I still receive rom stock updates and will I still install this updates like before ?
Thanks.
No. if u root you wont get updates
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Uh okay. It's embarassing..
In this case how get update ?
doums_ said:
Uh okay. It's embarassing..
In this case how get update ?
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Via incremental updates, flash it through TWRP recovery
And it's the officials updates ?
Yep, download from the oneplus website and flash
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ptoner said:
Yep, download from the oneplus website and flash
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Ok thanks all !
Sorry to hijack the thread.
Can someone tell me whether you can still use Android pay after you root?
Thanks.
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As long as you don't install xposed I think you are OK.
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Thanks for that ptoner
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doums_ said:
Hello,
I'am on rom stock, no custom recovery and bootloader locked.
If I root my OP3, will I still receive rom stock updates and will I still install this updates like before ?
Thanks.
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You have to unlock the bootloader too. Unblocking the bootloader will wipe your device.
As a rule of thumb, I always unlock bootloader on day one of purchasing my devices. (mostly Nexus or OP so far). This way you avoid potentially losing data.
Or u can download systemless xposed which will allow to turn on and off to use Android pay
Bradl79 said:
Or u can download systemless xposed which will allow to turn on and off to use Android pay
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You'll still have to reboot each time to use it
2x4 said:
You'll still have to reboot each time to use it
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What is the problem with Android pay with rooted device ? (I have never used Android pay and I dont know this app)
doums_ said:
What is the problem with Android pay with rooted device ? (I have never used Android pay and I dont know this app)
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With rooted it can work in certain conditions.
With xposed it cannot if it is active
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With rooted it can work in certain conditions.
With xposed it cannot if it is active
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Ok, and wath is the best way for rooting my device, xposed or traditional way (unlock bootloader, install TWRP and flash root apk ?)
doums_ said:
Ok, and wath is the best way for rooting my device, xposed or traditional way (unlock bootloader, install TWRP and flash root apk ?)
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root (access) is obtained via apps like SuperSU
xposed has nothing to do with root access - it is an additional framework allowing for low level modifications (like amplify, etc)
unlocking bootloader is always the first step, from there you can flash supersu (which is NOT just an APK file).
there's a number of threads about it that can explain it better than i.
2x4 said:
root (access) is obtained via apps like SuperSU
xposed has nothing to do with root access - it is an additional framework allowing for low level modifications (like amplify, etc)
unlocking bootloader is always the first step, from there you can flash supersu (which is NOT just an APK file).
there's a number of threads about it that can explain it better than i.
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Ok thanks you. I see the threads in OP3 xda forum.
One more question : is the warrantly lost after rooting ?
Hey guys, yesterday I received this upgrade message, just wanted to know if I can upgrade it without losing my root, just want to upgrade cause the freakin message pops up every single time, thx
Jhareti said:
Hey guys, yesterday I received this upgrade message, just wanted to know if I can upgrade it without losing my root, just want to upgrade cause the freakin message pops up every single time, thx
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By the number it is MM patch.
aviwdoowks said:
By the number it is MM patch.
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soo, if I apply it, my root access will stay?
Jhareti said:
soo, if I apply it, my root access will stay?
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You won't be able to apply it while rooted. The upgrade will fail.
You can disable the app Motorola Updates with Titanium Backup to stop the annoying update screen all the time.
turkobr said:
You won't be able to apply it while rooted. The upgrade will fail.
You can disable the app Motorola Updates with Titanium Backup to stop the annoying update screen all the time.
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Oh, didn't knew that, so I just have to download that "Titanium Backup" app and disable the updates?
Jhareti said:
Oh, didn't knew that, so I just have to download that "Titanium Backup" app and disable the updates?
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Yes, I'm not sure if you can do it with the free version, but I believe you can.
turkobr said:
Yes, I'm not sure if you can do it with the free version, but I believe you can.
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You are in doo doo land if you are rooted, use twrp and never backed up your virgin ROM.
There is a post, not long ago, in the Nougat Update thread showing all the fundamental steps.
I have not rooted since early KK.
aviwdoowks said:
You are in doo doo land if you are rooted, use twrp and never backed up your virgin ROM.
There is a post, not long ago, in the Nougat Update thread showing all the fundamental steps.
I have not rooted since early KK.
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Why couldn't he flash a stock image to get back to stock unrooted?
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Why couldn't he flash a stock image to get back to stock unrooted?
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Like I said I have been out of rooting for a long time....
That was my standard procedure then.
Great idea!
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Why couldn't he flash a stock image to get back to stock unrooted?
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That's of you can find a stock image. I'm on _row_, can't find a stock image anywhere :'(
xxBrun0xx said:
That's of you can find a stock image. I'm on _row_, can't find a stock image anywhere :'(
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Ugh. That sucks. Where did you get your device?
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Ugh. That sucks. Where did you get your device?
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Swappa. Came with TWRP, which I normally love, but not when no factory images available
xxBrun0xx said:
Swappa. Came with TWRP, which I normally love, but not when no factory images available
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Here's the firmware
https://mirrors.lolinet.com/firmware/moto/addison/official/
I would say you're safe to flash a us firmware but only flash the 10 sparsechunks,recovery , boot img and OEM IMG if you flash and modem file or any other file you'll end up losing your IMEI.
But you're always taking a chance.
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flashallthetime said:
Here's the firmware
https://mirrors.lolinet.com/firmware/moto/addison/official/
I would say you're safe to flash a us firmware but only flash the 10 sparsechunks,recovery , boot img and OEM IMG if you flash and modem file or any other file you'll end up losing your IMEI.
But you're always taking a chance.
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I think I'd tend to agree with this, but with no real experience with Moto to back it up.
WTF is ROW though?
dandrumheller said:
I think I'd tend to agree with this, but with no real experience with Moto to back it up.
WTF is ROW though?
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Row is what us Canadians do trying to get away from Trump in our canoes
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flashallthetime said:
Row is what us Canadians do trying to get away from Trump in our canoes
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Well played sir, well played. If it's any consolation, I just need to ROW farther...
Nougat in January.
http://m.gsmarena.com/moto_z_play_in_europe_gets_android_nougat_this_month_too-news-22749.php
I went into super su and unrooted my phone. Can I lock my bootloader now or is this a bad idea?
corster88 said:
I went into super su and unrooted my phone. Can I lock my bootloader now or is this a bad idea?
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Bad idea. Next update might fail from left over stuff from root or a mod...then you are done.
TonikJDK said:
Bad idea. Next update might fail from left over stuff from root or a mod...then you are done.
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Whats the solution?
corster88 said:
Whats the solution?
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The solution (I think) would be to wipe data and flash the entire stock image for your phone, then re-lock the bootloader. This will make sure that any folders/files pertaining to being rooted are gone and shouldn't cause any problems when it comes to validating your OS. Just make sure you properly unrooted SU by using their uninstaller/unroot tool before wiping and reflashing.
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Whats the solution?
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LeMoise said:
The solution (I think) would be to wipe data and flash the entire stock image for your phone, then re-lock the bootloader. This will make sure that any folders/files pertaining to being rooted are gone and shouldn't cause any problems when it comes to validating your OS. Just make sure you properly unrooted SU by using their uninstaller/unroot tool before wiping and reflashing.
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Yes run flashall unless you are extremely brave. I used to lock and unlock my nexus 6 bootloader with custom firmwares but this phone is a completely different animal
corster88 said:
I went into super su and unrooted my phone. Can I lock my bootloader now or is this a bad idea?
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Flash. all to both slots and be sure to include -w
Out of curiosity, why do you even wish to lock the bootloader? Especially with the numerous horror stories of users unable to resurrect a bootlooping device (rather simple to fix if unlocked) because their bootloader is locked.
Pain-N-Panic said:
Out of curiosity, why do you even wish to lock the bootloader? Especially with the numerous horror stories of users unable to resurrect a bootlooping device (rather simple to fix if unlocked) because their bootloader is locked.
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Android pay? I know I miss it.
poor2rican1 said:
Android pay? I know I miss it.
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Isn't there a way to get Android pay working with su hide and magisk?
corster88 said:
I went into super su and unrooted my phone. Can I lock my bootloader now or is this a bad idea?
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Locking the bootloader is always a bad idea if you have to ask if it's a bad idea.
poor2rican1 said:
Android pay? I know I miss it.
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Flash a custom kernel.
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Bryanx86 said:
Flash. all to both slots and be sure to include -w
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I'm nub. What do you mean?
Ok I flashed to stock can I lock now?
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Ok I flashed to stock can I lock now?
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Just an FYI, here's someone that locked their bl. Only 2 reasons I can see this as necessary is RMA, and Android pay. And Android pay works with magisk, so really only one reason. Just be sure to know what you're doing. https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/help/pixel-xl-bricked-bootloader-locked-t3698638/page2