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Hello all,
I bought the Mrs a note 2 last xmas as she loved my one. Today its thrown a major wobly.
It turns on and displays the "Galaxy note 2" initial boot screen, but reboots after about 6 seconds. I cant get into recovery and if i try going to flash/download mode it appears but reboots after 6 seconds.
Completly stumped as it hasnt been flashed/modded and is still running stock. The only thing that happened was about 8 months ago i replaced the screen/entire front of the phone as she dropped it.
hopefully someone can help.
dragox2013 said:
Hello all,
I bought the Mrs a note 2 last xmas as she loved my one. Today its thrown a major wobly.
It turns on and displays the "Galaxy note 2" initial boot screen, but reboots after about 6 seconds. I cant get into recovery and if i try going to flash/download mode it appears but reboots after 6 seconds.
Completly stumped as it hasnt been flashed/modded and is still running stock. The only thing that happened was about 8 months ago i replaced the screen/entire front of the phone as she dropped it.
hopefully someone can help.
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If you can flash it, you can go into recovery, surely.
I Cant get into the menu to flash it. It just reboots.
Was defo out last xmas as it was out of stock and i couldnt get it for her until 1st jan.
Hello xda friends,
Got my note 4 Friday and my phone was randomly rebooting. TouchWiz would also lock up and either stop responding or would reboot. I called Samsung support because AT&T reps don't know anything. I was told the issue was hardware and that's it's a known issue. I was instructed to take my phone back for a replacement.
I asked why there has been no formal announcement yet and they said one should be coming soon. So if you're having this problem return your phone as soon as possible.
Hope this helps some of you guys.
My phone hasn't rebooted once since Thursday, but thanks for the info. It should help a lot of people that will still be within their return/exchange window.
WizeGuyDezignz said:
My phone hasn't rebooted once since Thursday, but thanks for the info. It should help a lot of people that will still be within their return/exchange window.
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My phone had a nasty lockup and reboot shortly after i changed it from dalvik to ART. Switched back and it's been running flawlessly since.
This happened to me a couple of times. I called Samsung and they had no idea and said I was the first to call about it. I don't think it's a big issue and I think it's touch wiz.
Happened on my first phone. Random lock ups and reboots. Got worse on the third day. Then I realized that is actually is a lot worse when playing games. Kingdom Rush Frontiers for example never worked. Kingdom Rush locked the phone very frequently. Listening to spotify for an hour or so caused lockups or reboots. I exchanged it at the AT&T store. The new one has been flawless so far. I highly recommend exhanging it.
This could all be the sign of a hardware fault in the individual unit. These things happen to every phone. There are not any wide spead reports of it being an issue with the note 4. You got a lemon. Either get some sugar and make something of it, or do the exchange (thats what warranties are for.)
stu5797 said:
This happened to me a couple of times. I called Samsung and they had no idea and said I was the first to call about it. I don't think it's a big issue and I think it's touch wiz.
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Omar or whatever the Samsung tech guy I spoke to said that I wasn't the first person to call and to return the phone. Don't know why he would tell me that :/
mdemirha said:
Happened on my first phone. Random lock ups and reboots. Got worse on the third day. Then I realized that is actually is a lot worse when playing games. Kingdom Rush Frontiers for example never worked. Kingdom Rush locked the phone very frequently. Listening to spotify for an hour or so caused lockups or reboots. I exchanged it at the AT&T store. The new one has been flawless so far. I highly recommend exhanging it.
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Yeah I just got home with my new one. I could tell immediately how much smoother my phone was running compared to the previous one. They did a side by side at the att store and they were like "wtf. That should be faster".
boufa said:
This could all be the sign of a hardware fault in the individual unit. These things happen to every phone. There are not any wide spead reports of it being an issue with the note 4. You got a lemon. Either get some sugar and make something of it, or do the exchange (thats what warranties are for.)
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I'm just reporting what I was told. Figured maybe I'm not the only one with an extremely slow phone, lockups, or random reboots on a brand new phone. Things like that should happen. Samsung acknowledged the issues, told me it's a know issue and to return it as soon as I can.
Random reboot, dropped calls, wi-fi freezing...
Same here:
AT&T Note 4 purchased on Oct 18.
Random reboots (a few times a day), dropping calls with "No network available" for about 20 seconds thereafter (a few times a day). Wireless network stops working with no way to reactivate (greyed out control), only a reboot fixes it. "Fixed" that one by disabling "smart network switch". Called AT&T: no info about problems.
Giving it a few more days but will most likely return for an exchange (they don't have them in stock...).
etf said:
Same here:
AT&T Note 4 purchased on Oct 18.
Random reboots (a few times a day), dropping calls with "No network available" for about 20 seconds thereafter (a few times a day). Wireless network stops working with no way to reactivate (greyed out control), only a reboot fixes it. "Fixed" that one by disabling "smart network switch". Called AT&T: no info about problems.
Giving it a few more days but will most likely return for an exchange (they don't have them in stock...).
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The AT&T note 4's seem to have the most issues ....maybe it's the bloatware
Personally, ive owned every galaxy device that AT&T has offered, and EVERY one of them has had random reboots. I just assume its a samsung issue, for the most part i never notice becuase it doesnt typically happen when im using it. I typically only know when i pick it up and its wanting my password for decrypting my device.
I got a note 4 yesterday as well and everything your phone has mine is doing. I am getting a new one as well.
I have somewhat similar issue on my Galaxy Note 4 SM-N910C
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58094575&postcount=1852
my first one had random reboots... my second note 4 didnt' have a random reboot once in 8 weeks I've owned it.
I struggled with random reboots (like 5-10 times a day) of my N910A unit! I bought it from Swappa and I thought that Power Button is broken! That happened to my Galaxy S3 T999 (TMo's) long time ago and I had to replace the motherboard! But just regular cache wiping on my Note 4 from Android recovery fixed the issue, no more random reboots!
Hello Note 4 XDA family. My girlfriend has a note 4 completely stock. I don't use the device regularly as I have n6. She's experiencing some problems when the phone goes to sleep it never wakes back up. You have to do a battery pull in order to get it to boot back up. She is at work and dealing with it. But every time it boots back up its insanely laggy like 7-12 seconds frozen, with no force closes. Then once it comes back it works fine until she turns the screen off again. Then enormous lag and no power back on until another battery pull. I'm guessing its a problem with the device, I haven't seen anyone else with the same issues. Wondering if anyone has some input, I am going to do a hard reset tonight. Backup everything and (I don't know if Odin is still a thing but I'll figure it out) reflash the phone to factory and see if that helps. If not sprint should replace it I would imagine.
When it starts to lag. Does the device ever get really warm or instantly hot? It might be an application running in a background that's hogging insane amounts of CPU.
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Hello Note 4 XDA family. My girlfriend has a note 4 completely stock. I don't use the device regularly as I have n6. She's experiencing some problems when the phone goes to sleep it never wakes back up. You have to do a battery pull in order to get it to boot back up. She is at work and dealing with it. But every time it boots back up its insanely laggy like 7-12 seconds frozen, with no force closes. Then once it comes back it works fine until she turns the screen off again. Then enormous lag and no power back on until another battery pull. I'm guessing its a problem with the device, I haven't seen anyone else with the same issues. Wondering if anyone has some input, I am going to do a hard reset tonight. Backup everything and (I don't know if Odin is still a thing but I'll figure it out) reflash the phone to factory and see if that helps. If not sprint should replace it I would imagine.
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It's a software related problem i had the similar problem in the 1st weeks i got my phone it used to freeze for a second once every 10 second
I did soft and hard reset and the problem was still there.
But the new firmware came out which is the current one, i decided to do another hard reset to take the update and since then my phone is back alive no lag.
If the hard reset doesn't fix it for you wait for lollipop and do s hard reset before taking the update
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We took it to the sprint store. She had an old class 2 SD card it it from my original galaxy s or HTC desire (don't remember which). The rep there said to take out the SD card and it will fix the problem. So she took it out. And no issues since. That seems like a really really weird bug to me. But he said its common in the note 4 with the slower class cards....? Whatever. No issues since.
Up until this point I hadn't messed with this phone, it was stock all the way. About a week ago it started acting funny, slow, would freeze occasionally. Figured it was time to root and throw a custom rom on. But the probably seems to just be getting worse. The phone is practically unusable.
Recovery still works fine, still pulls up into ODIN no issues and flashes.
I've tried 100% stock flashes, I've done the OTA, I've tried the awesome Note 5 port going around, even the older ones. Have tried OK1, OB7. And now I'm flashing the MM Odin File. Like I said the flashing is going through perfectly every time. But after setup yet it just keeps freezing, and then immediately goes to reboot. Sometimes it even gets stuck in bootloop, have to pull the battery. A couple times it has went directly to Download and said "Cannot do normal boot" or something like that.
Is this phone done for? Like I said, sometimes it's unusable. For instance, I just went 4-5 hours with it performing flawless, and at this exact moment; I couldn't make a phone call if my life depended on it.
Any ideas/help is greatly appreciated. Would be happy to provide any more info.
Thanks!
By any chance are you using the fingerprint scanner for your lockscreen? I had a similar problem until I turned it off in favor of a pattern lock screen. No problems at all ever since.
No, just the typical slide screen. My first thought was an app, but it is so sporadic, plus it has even locked up during the setup menu after one of the flashes. Very strange.
Mine started doing the same thing a few weeks ago. Freezing then rebooting. SystemUI.apk crashing.
Fresh ODIN to latest. Rebooted during setup. Eventually my phone wouldn't power on last Saturday.
I'd recommend backing up your phone and prepare for it suddenly dying. I found a few posts on Reddit saying others had similar issues.
I took it back to Sprint and they offered me a refurbished Note 4, so far so good!
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Up until this point I hadn't messed with this phone, it was stock all the way. About a week ago it started acting funny, slow, would freeze occasionally. Figured it was time to root and throw a custom rom on. But the probably seems to just be getting worse. The phone is practically unusable.
Recovery still works fine, still pulls up into ODIN no issues and flashes.
I've tried 100% stock flashes, I've done the OTA, I've tried the awesome Note 5 port going around, even the older ones. Have tried OK1, OB7. And now I'm flashing the MM Odin File. Like I said the flashing is going through perfectly every time. But after setup yet it just keeps freezing, and then immediately goes to reboot. Sometimes it even gets stuck in bootloop, have to pull the battery. A couple times it has went directly to Download and said "Cannot do normal boot" or something like that.
Is this phone done for? Like I said, sometimes it's unusable. For instance, I just went 4-5 hours with it performing flawless, and at this exact moment; I couldn't make a phone call if my life depended on it.
Any ideas/help is greatly appreciated. Would be happy to provide any more info.
Thanks!
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I had the same issue. the phone kept rebooting in to download mode. sometimes I would have to pull the battery for a few hours to get the phone to even start. I Replaced the logic board to fix my phone.
Logic board? How hard is that to do? Where can i buy that part?
Ive had to replace the usb port, that wasnt too bad, im assuming its a similar task?
Lol the thing that makes me feel like such an idiot - I came here immediately when it started happening, and since I hadn't rooted this phone before I didn't do it 100% and cause Knox to trip.
The kicker? My 1 year warranty expired 4 days AFTER it started happening. So had I not screwed up and trippes knox, Samsung wouldve replaced.
My freind sold me his note 4 for $50. There are alot of videos on how to do it. It wasn't that hard. Some of the videos have links where to buy the different component's. https://youtu.be/OUDgGaFcCNY edit. The logic board is the motherboard
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This is insane.
After dealing with this issue for a while, I finally ponied up the cash and bought a Note 5 from eBay.
The phone was still acting ridiculous all day - I must have done soft resets at least 10 times between 6am-1:30. Excited to get home because the Note 5 was in the mailbox.
I get home, call Sprint, have them switch activation to the 5. They told me to turn them both off, they did their thing, and now service is on the 5. Just like normal.
The ONLY thing that has changed was the information in the phone regarding service/activation; and now the Note 4 is running FLAWLESSLY. I don't understand how that could cause the problems that I was having, but now I'm frustrated as I just dropped a good amount of money to buy a phone without a contract/upgrade, and now it's working perfectly. Does anybody have any ideas on how this could have changed anything???
Same here also...
My phone just started doing this out the blue about a week and a half ago. It will freeze, hang, get extremely sluggish, reboot randomly, power off randomly, there will be about a 5-7 second delay with touch responses, typing will be delayed, etc. I did all the things, rebooted, pulled the battery, unrooted, went stock, re-rooted and tried other ROMs, tried custom kernels; I got the same results. I have a Note 3 I'm going to reactivate over the weekend and see if my Note 4 suddenly performs flawlessly since it won't be activated.
Installed CyanogenMOD and it still resets, locks up and has other performance related issues.
I did an OTA update to Marshmallow originally. This corrupted my SD card and then caused about 10 resets a day, ranging from when I was using it lightly to heavily or even when it was sleeping/screen off. If I woke it up it would reset or I could feel it reset when it was in my pocket.
First thing I did was a factory reset. I tried other tricks such as swapping out the battery, SD card (or none at all), clearing cache, etc.... Nothing worked. So I tried installing CyanogenMOD, and I failed. But I got the phone back to BPA1. I updated back to marshmallow via my computer and the Verizon software updater.
About a day later the resets and lockups came back. I kept it light of apps but did slowly begin to reinstall some of my usuals (from the play store).
I had some more time so I tried installing Cyan again and was successful. It took a long time to load and optimize but it worked. I used gapps mini and the only step I did not follow in the guide was I did not install xposed.
It's been running for about 12 hours and has hanged, locked up and rebooted on me multiple times. Chrome even locks up (it will stop resounding, I'll get the message asking if I want to wait or close at the same time it starts responding again.)
When it reboots, it still takes forever and even optimizes apps (that I assume have already been optimized). I've seen two boot screens for it, one the little alien guy and the other with gears turning. It did the gears the second time I booted and then I haven't seen them again.
I'm not sure what my next step should be. Maybe I'll try reflashing Cyanogen. I have a feeling it's a hardware issue at this point, but I'm open to ideas. Are there any good diagnostic tools that could help my situation?
The phone is out of warranty and I'm sure that now that I've installed Cyanogen, the warranty was voided anyway. It's a shame because this phone was perfect up until the marshmallow update. I probably had 5 lockup/boots in the year or two I've had it.
Why are you using cyanogenmod in the first place. The support for that has ended. Go to the lineage os nougat thread and use that instead.
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Why are you using cyanogenmod in the first place. The support for that has ended. Go to the lineage os nougat thread and use that instead.
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Admittedly, I did not even know about lineage until my phone was wiped with no OS. I did a quick Google search for it but could not find a Verizon note 4 mod. Now that I am not pressured to find a fix, I'll research it a bit more. Thank you.
I tried EmotionOS and NSeven, but both share the same error.
Emotion FCs random processes sporadically and then when my cell/data switches to Searching, it crashes multiple processes until the UI (trebuchet is default for Emotion?) and/or settings FCs and I have to restart. I am also stuck on 3G on that platform. I'm guessing network connectivity / switching is the root of the problems.
Nseven installed and right at the Welcome Screen where I pick my language, Google Play Services started crashing. I only had the option to click OK and then every 5 seconds after that, it kept crashing. I set up the phone, restarted and Google Play Services started crashing again. I am in the process of restoring back to Emotion, as it is the most stable platform so far.
I tried a new SIM card, hoping this was the problem but to no avail.
Does anyone have any other suggestions? I'm guessing its hardware at this point, but since it happened on an OTA Update and I can reproduce the same errors every time, I'm hoping there's still an option left for a fix.
Holy crap. As I was typing this and restoring Emotion, it fully installed and booted. I have 4G! I don't know if that will fix the FC issues, but I have regained a little hope!
I'm still getting FCs and restarts. The more I use it the more it happens, but at least with EmotionOS, It's more limited. Only about 3 or 4 a day compared to 10-20.
I'll try one more flash and I guess tough it out until my contract is up in April.
I can't help you with EmotionOS (haven't tried it yet), but if you want to stop the Google Play Services crashing in NSeven you can make your way to Settings - Applications, then select Google Play Services - Permissions and give it all permissions. It's a bit of a chore to get there when the warning pops up every five seconds, but it will stop once you do that.
So my plan is up and I'm probably switching away from Samsung after this incident. Looking into the pixel or XL. If the v20 is out for Verizon, I might get that but I'll see what looks good when I go to the store today or tomorrow.
I think I've narrowed down my issue to a heat issue. I fixed the 4g and Google play crashes but my phone still locks up or apps start a cascade of crashes. If I power down, I can't restart the phone. If I restart, it powers down but does not turn back on. I remove the battery for 10+ seconds, put it back in for 10+ seconds and it won't turn back on. I'll leave the battery out for minutes to an hour and its a crap shoot.
I can only boot normally or to download mode. TWRP no longer loads. I tried reflashing it and I get a no pit fail. I'd probably look into fixing this but at this point it's not worth it.
What I discovered works is putting the battery and phone on a cool surface, putting the battery back in and placing that on a cool surface and then try to boot up. However, neither my phone nor the battery feel warm to the touch. So that indicates to me something is either off in the sensors, preventing it from turning on or more likely it's a power issue or at least a hardware issue, preventing a constant current or something along those lines. Dips in power could explain apps crashing and the system inexplicably turning off. It would also explain why I can't turn it on easily.
It's really a shame because I liked this phone so much and if the new note was out, I might give it the benefit of the doubt. But last night my Samsung tablet decided to install the updates I've been putting off because they're the same ones that broke this phone. So timing wise, I'm done with Samsung and will try a new brand. Only issue I see with pixel is it doesn't have a removable battery so hopefully I don't run into this issue on that device!
Thanks for all the help xda. If it was a solvable problem, I'm sure I could have fixed it with your help.
Final entry.
I got the v20, and spent a day trying to get my note back to factory. I thought I was doing something wrong, but eventually flashed a kernel, recovery, bootloader and then full Rom (I think it was BPA1 but it could have been CPF3, I don't have it in front of me). I was getting error after error, no PIT partition, mmc check fail, use the Samsung Recovery Assistant, and a few others (again, it's not in front of me so I may have gotten it wrong). The big one was a write disk failure when I was trying to flash the full Rom. I fixed that by flashing kernel, bootloader, recovery, then sticking the battery and the phone on the freezer for ~5 minutes before trying to flash the full Rom.
I updated via USB after that using recovery assistant. Probably completely unnecessary, they just needed to get to the factory reset screen, but when I bought my phone, I couldn't trade in the note because i couldn't turn it on. They gave me $86 for it. Anything less and i would have considered just taking a hammer and microwave to it. Good riddance!
Still a little sad, I loved this phone right up until marshmallow dishonored and killed her.
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Final entry.
I got the v20, and spent a day trying to get my note back to factory. I thought I was doing something wrong, but eventually flashed a kernel, recovery, bootloader and then full Rom (I think it was BPA1 but it could have been CPF3, I don't have it in front of me). I was getting error after error, no PIT partition, mmc check fail, use the Samsung Recovery Assistant, and a few others (again, it's not in front of me so I may have gotten it wrong). The big one was a write disk failure when I was trying to flash the full Rom. I fixed that by flashing kernel, bootloader, recovery, then sticking the battery and the phone on the freezer for ~5 minutes before trying to flash the full Rom.
I updated via USB after that using recovery assistant. Probably completely unnecessary, they just needed to get to the factory reset screen, but when I bought my phone, I couldn't trade in the note because i couldn't turn it on. They gave me $86 for it. Anything less and i would have considered just taking a hammer and microwave to it. Good riddance!
Still a little sad, I loved this phone right up until marshmallow dishonored and killed her.
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I know a lot of people are blaming software, but I'm fairly certain that the problems in many cases are caused by failing hardware. I went through many of the same trials and tribulations with my Note 4 (except I never rooted the phone). I finally contacted Samsung Customer Support and sent the phone in for repair. They replaced a lot of the hardware including the motherboard and returned the phone in "like new" condition. I've been using it for a few weeks now and the performance is flawless.
I was planning to get either the V20 or the G6 if I wasn't able to get the phone fixed. How do you like the V20?
I'd agree that it's most likely hardware and having to put everything in the freezer for it to when confirms it for me although I have no real expertise to say so. But I'd argue that the update created the hardware issue, it was night and day with the update. It was working 100% and then directly after the update to marshmallow, it started having catastrophic issues. Oh well, it's nice not having to pull the battery every hour or so.
V20 is pretty nice. Having used EmotionOS for a few months the switch to the Nougat was pretty smooth. The xda forums for it are a little more limited but I didn't start messing with my phone until it broke and I'm hesitant to try with a new phone given my limited knowhow.
To be honest it's not a big difference in day to day usage from the note 4. Which I like!
+ I never used the finger print scanner but really like it on the v20. I didn't bother with a screen lock before but now I'm protected and have a just as quick access.
-the grip is too slick, I feel like I will drop it. The note had that rougher back which I liked better. A case or a replacement cover should fix that though.
+ I like this top menu screen, I have quick access to a few select apps or can turn the flashlight on or whatever. I'd like it more customizable, I find I switch screens too much when trying to just pull my top menu down. If I could put everything on one tab and combine their special buttons (ie the flashlight button) with apps, it would be perfect.
-the back button and menu button are switched. I can probably customize that but I don't yet know how and by the time I figure it out, I will have relearned that habit. It actually is probably a better placement for how I hold the phone but I'm a big fan of choices.
+ upgraded camera, sound, storage. I don't notice the screen size difference, but it is a lighter phone.
-bloatware
All in all its a good shift from the note 4. I'm happy to be off of Samsung and still have the same basic user experience.
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So my plan is up and I'm probably switching away from Samsung after this incident. Looking into the pixel or XL. If the v20 is out for Verizon, I might get that but I'll see what looks good when I go to the store today or tomorrow.
I think I've narrowed down my issue to a heat issue. I fixed the 4g and Google play crashes but my phone still locks up or apps start a cascade of crashes. If I power down, I can't restart the phone. If I restart, it powers down but does not turn back on. I remove the battery for 10+ seconds, put it back in for 10+ seconds and it won't turn back on. I'll leave the battery out for minutes to an hour and its a crap shoot.
I can only boot normally or to download mode. TWRP no longer loads. I tried reflashing it and I get a no pit fail. I'd probably look into fixing this but at this point it's not worth it.
What I discovered works is putting the battery and phone on a cool surface, putting the battery back in and placing that on a cool surface and then try to boot up. However, neither my phone nor the battery feel warm to the touch. So that indicates to me something is either off in the sensors, preventing it from turning on or more likely it's a power issue or at least a hardware issue, preventing a constant current or something along those lines. Dips in power could explain apps crashing and the system inexplicably turning off. It would also explain why I can't turn it on easily.
It's really a shame because I liked this phone so much and if the new note was out, I might give it the benefit of the doubt. But last night my Samsung tablet decided to install the updates I've been putting off because they're the same ones that broke this phone. So timing wise, I'm done with Samsung and will try a new brand. Only issue I see with pixel is it doesn't have a removable battery so hopefully I don't run into this issue on that device!
Thanks for all the help xda. If it was a solvable problem, I'm sure I could have fixed it with your help.
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I have had the exact same problem with my note 4. It wouldn't last 30 seconds at a lock screen from a cold battery before it would start boot looping, and the longer you left it in, the worse it got. Google told me I needed a new battery from several other forums and places I read. So I ordered one and replaced with a genuine Samsung one direct from them, and it didn't change anything.
I figured out it was heat related and I had it sit on an ice pack and it would run and work fine as long as the ice pack held out, about 2 hours. I've down graded, flashed, rooted the boot loader, installed a recovery console, flashed to different versions, all have the same problem. So I've kind of reserved myself to the fact it must be a hardware problem. Perhaps it was caused by the update, but nothing software change wise seems to be able to fix it. Did wake-loc fix as well. I've spent the last week with mine trying everything in the world and every evening having it on the ice pack hooked up trying whatever I could think of or read up on doing, and basically as soon as it warms up, it starts doing it again.
Heres a pic; http://imgur.com/a/5L64V
In my experience, it gets worse and worse. The day I bought my v20, I tried to trade it into Verizon but couldn't even turn it on in front of the rep. I thought I had timed the new phone perfectly but still wanted the $80! Fortunately I got it working after the weekend and just stuck everything in the freezer before I walked to Verizon.
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In my experience, it gets worse and worse. The day I bought my v20, I tried to trade it into Verizon but couldn't even turn it on in front of the rep. I thought I had timed the new phone perfectly but still wanted the $80! Fortunately I got it working after the weekend and just stuck everything in the freezer before I walked to Verizon.
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Just out of curiosity, what phone did you wind up going to?
The LG v20 and so far so good!