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Is there a way to keep YouTube running music in the background as I'm exploring other apps? Coming from a pre there was a patch for this
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Never been possible on android and probably never will be.
noobdeagle said:
Never been possible on android and probably never will be.
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It was doable before, but not anymore with the new update
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martonikaj said:
Already a multiple page thread on this.
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Sorry, my bad.
Not used android before, I will also assume there isn't a hombrew/overclocking/patching repository and app like preware?
Also no way to enable flash in the background when flash becomes available?
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Seems pretty silly having multi-core processing without the ability to multitask, doesn't it?
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Seems pretty silly having multi-core processing without the ability to multitask, doesn't it?
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You don't know much about Android, do you?
Android does have ability to multitask. It is just an effective multitasking. Applications can be left 'running' without them actually running. They are written in memory and kept there, without taking battery, until they are called back and continue on from where they left off. But Android also allows applications to open services in the background, triggered by specific time or event or by an application, that allows them to work while the application is not in focus. Many music players are done this way. Also a lot of apps synchronize in the background in this manner.
It is entirely the application developers decision to do what is best for the specific application. Android 4.0 gives all the tools the user needs. This is not Windows desktop where every working application and process takes processing power to keep running.
Would be awesome then if someone made a YouTube app that worked in the background
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It'll never happen for the same reason that not all videos are viewable on mobile. You're using the service to watch something, not listen.
rmoney said:
You're using the service to watch something, not listen.
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Not really. There are many people who use youtube for music playlists.
mcgon1979 said:
Not really. There are many people who use youtube for music playlists.
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i know a jailbroken iphone has an app for that
iOS supports background audio in the browser and youtube app. I was hoping that ICS will support it.
So do you guys find it necessary to have a ram manager to free memory or no ?
No, ics have a good system to manage ram.
No. Creates more issues than it solves.
+1 for no. Watchdog has always been a must have for me, but it hasn't yet had to call out an app on my SGN.
No. Don't use automated tools to kill tasks and free up memory... in Android, free memory is wasted memory. You make your phone work harder when you interfere with its built-in memory management.
I kill running services that shouldn't be running... That allows for more RAM to be used by active applications.
EP2008 said:
I kill running services that shouldn't be running... That allows for more RAM to be used by active applications.
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Users always feel they are smarter than the OS when it comes to killing processes. They are usually wrong.
adrynalyne said:
Users always feel they are smarter than the OS when it comes to killing processes. They are usually wrong.
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Funniest thing I read all day and its true
adrynalyne said:
Users always feel they are smarter than the OS when it comes to killing processes. They are usually wrong.
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Yes,I feel that having running SERVICES that I'm not using is a huge waste of memory and battery resources. Android is not smart in this regard.
For example, I use the amazon app store to check for free apps of the day ONCE a day. No need to have it run as a service all day, using up ram and CPU. Another example is pulse news reader. I want to go in the app, refresh the feeds, read them and exit, but the app remains running as a service for no reason. I also use a document scanner app which runs as a service when I'm not using it for no good reason. So, I kill the service.
To suggest that I'm wrong in doing this shows a lack of understanding of the issue at hand.
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EP2008 said:
Yes,I feel that having running SERVICES that I'm not using is a huge waste of memory and battery resources. Android is not smart in this regard.
For example, I use the amazon app store to check for free apps of the day ONCE a day. No need to have it run as a service all day, using up ram and CPU. Another example is pulse news reader. I want to go in the app, refresh the feeds, read them and exit, but the app remains running as a service for no reason. I also use a document scanner app which runs as a service when I'm not using it for no good reason. So, I kill the service.
To suggest that I'm wrong in doing this shows a lack of understanding of the issue at hand.
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You have no idea how android works and deserve to have your nexus confiscated.
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EP2008 said:
Yes,I feel that having running SERVICES that I'm not using is a huge waste of memory and battery resources. Android is not smart in this regard.
For example, I use the amazon app store to check for free apps of the day ONCE a day. No need to have it run as a service all day, using up ram and CPU. Another example is pulse news reader. I want to go in the app, refresh the feeds, read them and exit, but the app remains running as a service for no reason. I also use a document scanner app which runs as a service when I'm not using it for no good reason. So, I kill the service.
To suggest that I'm wrong in doing this shows a lack of understanding of the issue at hand.
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Android does not operate like windows. Apps listed as "Running" are actually only loaded in ram and are not using cpu cycles or battery power. Android loads them in ram in order for them to start/be available more quickly to the user. If Android needs more ram for a task, it will remove any thing it needs to in order to free up more ram. You are wasting battery power and cpu cycles by "killing" those apps/service. If you think of ram as a memory stick you will realize that once something is loaded there, it doesn't take any power to keep it there.
Good luck
Good luck
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You have no idea how android works and deserve to have your nexus confiscated.
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System services should obviously not be messed with, but disabling autostarting services that you don't use is generally not a problem. It may take more power/time to start up apps that use those services (since they will have to be manually started), but if it's an app that you use infrequently it may be worth doing.
Intelligently tuning what services are allowed to autostart themselves is NOT the same as indiscriminately killing apps chasing after "free memory".
Personally, I wouldn't terminate services, but only modify which ones are allowed to automatically start up with the OS.
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if it's an app that you use infrequently it may be worth doing.
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Is it worth doing when Android does this automatically?
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EP2008 said:
Yes,I feel that having running SERVICES that I'm not using is a huge waste of memory and battery resources. Android is not smart in this regard.
For example, I use the amazon app store to check for free apps of the day ONCE a day. No need to have it run as a service all day, using up ram and CPU. Another example is pulse news reader. I want to go in the app, refresh the feeds, read them and exit, but the app remains running as a service for no reason. I also use a document scanner app which runs as a service when I'm not using it for no good reason. So, I kill the service.
To suggest that I'm wrong in doing this shows a lack of understanding of the issue at hand.
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you basically proved what he said was true
I agree with using "Autostarts", it's one of my fav apps and cuts down on startup time and certain apps like to be triggered for all kinds of rediculous things. Once again though I think it is counterproductive to use automated task killers. Watchdog will alert you of apps running away with your ram and battery, but does not just auto kill all random apps. As far as the Amazon AppStore, I agree that it can be very malicious with RAM if it wants to be even when just checking the FAOTD in the mornings, on my Atrix I would get constant alerts from Watchdog for Amazon AppStore. On my SGN however I have yet to recieve ANY alerts for ANY app yet from Watchdog, this leads me to think there is better optimization going on with ICS or the Nexus than I had with Gingerbread and Atrix.
Is there any reason not to use AutoStarts or WatchDog? They are not auto killing apps at all. And I am requesting a "real" technical explanation not just you opinion or a "think of it like.." story, those are useless to me and offer no explanation.
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Is it worth doing when Android does this automatically?
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Eh, usually there's not much benefit to be had - but preventing a service from auto starting when you might not use its app for the entire time Android is booted won't cause any problems. You're essentially "freezing" the service while still allowing it to be used on demand .
WiredPirate said:
I agree with using "Autostarts", it's one of my fav apps and cuts down on startup time and certain apps like to be triggered for all kinds of rediculous things. Once again though I think it is counterproductive to use automated task killers. Watchdog will alert you of apps running away with your ram and battery, but does not just auto kill all random apps. As far as the Amazon AppStore, I agree that it can be very malicious with RAM if it wants to be even when just checking the FAOTD in the mornings, on my Atrix I would get constant alerts from Watchdog for Amazon AppStore. On my SGN however I have yet to recieve ANY alerts for ANY app yet from Watchdog, this leads me to think there is better optimization going on with ICS or the Nexus than I had with Gingerbread and Atrix.
Is there any reason not to use AutoStarts or WatchDog? They are not auto killing apps at all. And I am requesting a "real" technical explanation not just you opinion or a "think of it like.." story, those are useless to me and offer no explanation.
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I relied upon autostart tuning and Watchdog on my N1, but haven't experienced a real need for either on the SGN. Not necessarily a technical response, but just my experience.
Wow, the ignorance on XDA is staggering.
A RUNNING SERVICE is not the same as a cached app or background process.
Why the heck would anyone want 3 or 4 running services in the background when they don't need them running?
Right now, I have the logmein service using 26mb, Amazon app store using 38mb, pulse taking up 43mb and I'm NOT using these apps. They are running as services and using ram, battery and cpu.
Continue to defend Android and all its flaws. The user doesn't always have to accept how poorly some things function.
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EP2008 said:
Right now, I have the logmein service using 26mb, Amazon app store using 38mb, pulse taking up 43mb and I'm NOT using these apps. They are running as services and using ram, battery and cpu.
Continue to defend Android and all its flaws. The user doesn't always have to accept how poorly some things function.
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Less an Android flaw and more related to how developers wrote those apps. Otherwise I think we are in agreement though.
codesplice said:
I relied upon autostart tuning and Watchdog on my N1, but haven't experienced a real need for either on the SGN.
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why?
10char
I didn't want to post this in the CM9 dev thread because it is not dev related.
First off..
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/security-and-you
Users will be able to configure their exposure to root as:
Disabled
Enabled for ADB only
Enabled for Apps only
Enabled for both
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So this is what I am thinking.. The CM team is not just going to come out and say "This is how we get around Google's (and other's) 'you can't use this app if your device is rooted' thing".. But if you can disable/enable root with a setting it seems to me you wont have to worry about not being able to access certain apps, or features of apps, because of root.
Example: My "Horrible Bosses" BD came with a digital copy only accessible through the Flixster app. Because of the "security risks" Flixster will only let you view/download the movie on non-rooted devices. The simple fix to this was to download OTArootkeeper (which is an awesome app), the app essentially is a switch to enable/disable root access. Turn root off, Flixster never knows the difference.
It seems to me CM has just integrated this feature into their ROM, and maybe improved upon it. Any time an app (Flixster, Google Video & even maybe Google Wallet) will not work because you are on a rooted device, just turn it off. I have even heard of some people that cannot access databases at work because of root, seams like the same thing applies here.
So what do y'all think? Does this sound like a legitimate thought? Obviously being rooted is a security risk, and CM is becoming more mainstream. But still.. Do you think I am that far off? And do you think the "feature" will function just like I have described it? Just came to get you opinions on this change.
Sounds like you've hit the nail on the head there, although I don't see why company's don't want you consuming there content if your rooted.
Jameslepable said:
Sounds like you've hit the nail on the head there, although I don't see why company's don't want you consuming there content if your rooted.
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The MPAA/RIAA don't understand technology, that's why. Remember SOPA/PIPA?
Why does root matter? I am rooted and can rent movies from the market with no issue. Yet people say video is blocked for rooted users. It just worked for me. Maybe cause i am rooted on stock?
RogerPodacter said:
Why does root matter? I am rooted and can rent movies from the market with no issue. Yet people say video is blocked for rooted users. It just worked for me. Maybe cause i am rooted on stock?
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Possibly, the last time I tried I got shot down. I'm not sure which of the root option(s) the Market looks for (?). Want to test, but can't find a movie I want to see just yet.
Root matters to watch videos from the market. Unroot, watch, then reroot.
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OTA Rootkeeper can temporarily unroot and then reroot any ROM. Tested and works with rented movies.
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My job has a BYOD policy that allows everyone in the company to get their email on their phones. They make you go through the Touchdown app and MobileIron.
This program reports back to them if your phone is rooted and they disconnect your account if you are...
Try as I might, I cannot figure out what BYOD stands for.
Bring your own ****?
Buy your own douche?
Maybe my mind is just warped.
adrynalyne said:
Try as I might, I cannot figure out what BYOD stands for.
Bring your own ****?
Buy your own douche?
Maybe my mind is just warped.
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Buy your own device?
mudferret said:
Buy your own device?
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Probably. Don't mind me, I suffer from a deranged and sick mind.
adrynalyne said:
Probably. Don't mind me, I suffer from a deranged and sick mind.
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I think it's Bring Your Own Device.
adrynalyne said:
Try as I might, I cannot figure out what BYOD stands for.
Bring your own ****?
Buy your own douche?
Maybe my mind is just warped.
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Bring Your Own Device
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... possible advantage: have a phone manufacturer use CM as their firmware? yes....?
This was actually mentioned sometime earlier... a month or 2 ago... the idea was that if the ROM provided the best level of customization, root really should not be needed for the average user... but the ROM would still have the option to enable root if the user wanted too...
craigacgomez said:
This was actually mentioned sometime earlier... a month or 2 ago... the idea was that if the ROM provided the best level of customization, root really should not be needed for the average user... but the ROM would still have the option to enable root if the user wanted too...
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That's the problem though. The average user would not know what root is and activate it and would do something to their phone that would cause problems. U.S. carriers will not like this.
I wonder if Tasker or llama could be setup to turn root off when a particular app runs?
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nicholaschum said:
I think it's Bring Your Own Device.
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This has actually become pretty popular in the workplace now and will probably continue to grow...
And to the dude who said bring your own d.ck, I sure hope you do because carrying around someone elses is just wrong.
player911 said:
Root matters to watch videos from the market. Unroot, watch, then reroot.
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But i am renting a movie right now and it plays fine. I am rooted.
Here is a video of the feature in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mRyE10eKzqE
Its strange to me that some people are reporting root not affecting Google Video. I haven't tried it on my Nexus, between TiVo Netflix and Redbox there is no reason for me to, but on my Atrix when Video first released I remember it saying I couldnt use the app because my device was rooted..
Those of you able to use the Google Videos app on a rooted device, what root method did you use?
Morning,
I've been toying with the idea of installing an Anti Virus solution on to my phone but have a couple of questions.
Is it necessary? I know that most of the AV apps come with nice features like tracking and remote wipe but was wondering how big the threat of mobile malware actually is.
Will it prevent my device from going into 'Deep Sleep' and have a negative impact on battery life?
It is possible that I am going to install Vipre Mobile Security as we use a lot of GFI products at work. Do any of you have experience with this app?
Cheers in advance.
JimmyEatFood said:
Morning,
I've been toying with the idea of installing an Anti Virus solution on to my phone but have a couple of questions.
Is it necessary? I know that most of the AV apps come with nice features like tracking and remote wipe but was wondering how big the threat of mobile malware actually is.
Will it prevent my device from going into 'Deep Sleep' and have a negative impact on battery life?
It is possible that I am going to install Vipre Mobile Security as we use a lot of GFI products at work. Do any of you have experience with this app?
Cheers in advance.
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1) No it's not. Just install apps from the official google market and none of the chinese/russian ones and look at the permissions each app uses. Unless you are installing "big busty blonde" style apps you should be fine.
2)Most AV/Malware products have a negative effect on a phones performance and battery. Don't bother, just use your common sense instead.
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1) No it's not. Just install apps from the official google market and none of the chinese/russian ones and look at the permissions each app uses. Unless you are installing "big busty blonde" style apps you should be fine.
2)Most AV/Malware products have a negative affect on a phones performance and battery. Don't bother, just use your common sense instead.
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Have to agree here as well. Do not bother with AV apps mate..Just use common sense on what you flash or install on your phone. Simple as that
I have never used Anti Virus on any of my phones and I've never had any problems.
Cheers lads. I was reading an article about Android Malware which prompted me to look into AV. Don't think I'll bother now though
Any recommendations for an app to locate and remote wipe the device if it is lost?
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Cerberus is excellent, does everything.
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animaleyes76 said:
[...] Unless you are installing "big busty blonde" style apps you should be fine. [...]
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Damn!
JimmyEatFood said:
Cheers lads. I was reading an article about Android Malware which prompted me to look into AV. Don't think I'll bother now though
Any recommendations for an app to locate and remote wipe the device if it is lost?
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I suggest try AndroidLost I have tried most of the features like taking pictures, recording and GPS, it integrates nicely with your Google account and best of all its for FREE
I am yet to try its SMS capabilities and Sim notifications
http://www.androidlost.com
Cheers guys. I will look into the free app as I am a tight fisted Yorkshireman.
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I use free version of lookout. It don't cause any battery drains and is set to scan any new app get installed on the phone. You can also manual scan the whole phone.
You can install Avast Anti-Virus from the google play store, and if the phone has root access you can install Avast onto the ROM.
Once it has been installed you can set up theft aware for SMS text commands to remote wipe, lock etc.
The reason why the install it to the ROM is because if someone was going to factory reset through the bootloader or even from the settings menu the Avast will still be install but it will be disguised as another app (Which you can name) and they will not know that it is there.
Hope this was helpful.
Av only good for one thing and that's the tracking if its lost/stolen
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check out Kaspersky, I think it still comes with life time updates, it might not be necessary today but it's a good deal and might get useful in future...
JimmyEatFood said:
Cheers lads. I was reading an article about Android Malware which prompted me to look into AV. Don't think I'll bother now though
Any recommendations for an app to locate and remote wipe the device if it is lost?
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Although not free, PhoneLocator Pro is the best I've seen,
It hides from your app drawer, adds un-installation security, takes an automatic photo of your thief and sends it you, along with his call log, also blocks the phone if the thief changes sim card, along with all the GPS tracking services that it emails you - you also get a web user interface too, aswell as the usual text commands.
Its good stuff, developer is very responsive and eager to add more features all the time too.
However, due to the way HTC have implemented multi-tasking, their pre-installed task manager app will kill it, along with anything else you may have running such as battery saving apps, antivirus, etc etc
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Just as the title says! I've been deleting apps and I have been unable to track down what it is. Every couple of days I'll get an amazing day and play services will only consume 1%. On bad days it's as high as 20-30%
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GMS Doze in Magisk app, it's a download app. It helps battery life on Google Play Services
smallsmx301 said:
Just as the title says! I've been deleting apps and I have been unable to track down what it is. Every couple of days I'll get an amazing day and play services will only consume 1%. On bad days it's as high as 20-30%
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Try my magisk module for enabling Doze on GMS,
Also, you can install AppOpsX to deny Keep Awake permission of play services
I run completely stock. No magisk
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smallsmx301 said:
I run completely stock. No magisk
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Run in Safe Mode for a couple of days to rule out your apps/settings. FDR?
v12xke said:
Run in Safe Mode for a couple of days to rule out your apps/settings. FDR?
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Yeah I did that. I'm pretty sure it's an app causing the issue
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Yeah I did that. I'm pretty sure it's an app causing the issue
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No ****e? One- uh, pretty sure? either it was gone or it was not. This should be black and white. Two- include what you have already tried in your OP so others don't waste their time trying to help you. --> " oh yeah man sorry, heh heh I did that already" and " oh, yeah I run completely stock, no Magisk".
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No ****e? One- uh, pretty sure? either it was gone or it was not. This should be black and white. Two- include what you have already tried in your OP so others don't waste their time trying to help you. --> " oh yeah man sorry, heh heh I did that already" and " oh, yeah I run completely stock, no Magisk".
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Thanks buddy. I was asking a general question. I've been doing this since the G1 days. I've been doing trial and error with apps and yes safe mode worked but after deleting FB messenger which I thought was the issue but after 2 days of glorious battery and no Google play issues it creeped back up. So here I am again deleting a handful more apps to remedy the situation. Before 8.1 everything was amazing. Since then it's been non stop on and off drain.
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Thanks buddy. I was asking a general question. I've been doing this since the G1 days. I've been doing trial and error with apps and yes safe mode worked but after deleting FB messenger which I thought was the issue but after 2 days of glorious battery and no Google play issues it creeped back up. So here I am again deleting a handful more apps to remedy the situation. Before 8.1 everything was amazing. Since then it's been non stop on and off drain.
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Would have been great to have all that in your OP, Mate. Including I'm not going to root. You're obviously not a rookie, and having been around so long, you should also know full well by now how to pose a proper question with the appropriate background. Just have a quick look at your OP again Mate. Best of luck.
Can't really help you if you are not rooted
By default, any stock android would eventually become a battery drainer.
You need to tame and have full control of your phone,
Best of luck though