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Gizmodo: What Does Nexus Mean for Android Anymore?

http://m.gizmodo.com/5865701/what-does-nexus-mean-for-android-anymore
Thoughts? We had a terrifically lively debate back before the Nexus was released anyone change positions?

I don't agree with the direction the Nexus Phones are taking.
In my opinion
IT SHOULD NOT BE
mass consumed
a big profit generator
tied to any carrier.
launched with exclusive carriers or retailers
It SHOULD:
Be top of the line.... of everything. display, sound, graphics, memory, build.
Be expensive (to offset non mass production and to pay for the hardware)
Be fully functional so that devs can use all aspects of current standards to dev (microSD issue)
Include as many 'near to market' technologies as possible
Because.... why? We need a single really expensive, but proof of concept product to really push research and development in that direction. And the mass market is easily satisfied with phones like the HTC Desire or Galaxy S2 of its day
And I would pay for one... because I use my phone more often in a day than I do in a month with other toys that are more expensive (hiking gear, shooting gear, fishing gear etc) .

CanaganD said:
I don't agree with the direction the Nexus Phones are taking.
In my opinion
IT SHOULD NOT BE
mass consumed
a big profit generator
tied to any carrier.
launched with exclusive carriers or retailers
It SHOULD:
Be top of the line.... of everything. display, sound, graphics, memory, build.
Be expensive (to offset non mass production and to pay for the hardware)
Be fully functional so that devs can use all aspects of current standards to dev (microSD issue)
Include as many 'near to market' technologies as possible
Because.... why? We need a single really expensive, but proof of concept product to really push research and development in that direction. And the mass market is easily satisfied with phones like the HTC Desire or Galaxy S2 of its day
And I would pay for one... because I use my phone more often in a day than I do in a month with other toys that are more expensive (hiking gear, shooting gear, fishing gear etc) .
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Exactly. I'm game for that.

I think the reason it's being mass marketed right now is because no device makers really do vanilla Android and offer straight updates without modifications as soon as they're ready. If there was a handset maker or two filling that niche already, I bet the developer phones would fit what you listed there. And I think if the Galaxy Nexus does well on Verizon with the soft launch and limited advertising they're doing, you'll see more of those pop up in the future.
But I agree. I want a top of the line development phone that I can buy direct from Google or the manufacturer and tinker with regardless of which carrier I personally happen to be on.

I don't agree with the expensive part. Not all developers are well-to-do with a lot of money to splash on non-contract phones. If Google has to make deals with carriers so that it can bring affordable dev phones to more developers then it's a necessary evil.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App

CanaganD said:
Be top of the line.... of everything. display, sound, graphics, memory, build.
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The Nexus line has never been and will never be bleeding edge. It's intended to set a benchmark for devs for all other Android phones.
There will always be higher spec Android devices that are released concurrently with the Nexus. If you want bleeding edge, grab the Android de jour phone. Not a Nexus.

Yeah the nexus s was ridiculed for not using a dual core SoC, it only really offered nfc as a new hardware feature. All the nexus phones are comparable, hardware wise, to the most recent superphones offered by manufacturers. The nexus line only really ushers in Android at its newest and purest form from Google.

Pacifik said:
Yeah the nexus s was ridiculed for not using a dual core SoC, it only really offered nfc as a new hardware feature. All the nexus phones are comparable, hardware wise, to the most recent superphones offered by manufacturers. The nexus line only really ushers in Android at its newest and purest form from Google.
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Dual core phones weren't even at market when the Nexus S was released. Possibly it should of been delayed to ensure it did, but the first few dual core phones were all Tegra 2 based if I remember correctly.
Which for intents and purposes isn't a decently powerful SOC.
If memory serves me right without googling I think the Atrix was the first dual core smartphone released.
Which wasn't awfully fast, battery life wasn't good at all and had a fingerfull of optimized games that never really took off.

Need an opinion??

Well i have an upgrade due next month and i have been trawling the web looking at new phones but dont know what to get.
Now ill not be going any bigger than lets says a samsung galaxy s11. Thats about as big as phone as i would get..
Ill be sticking to android but what brand does not bother me.
I have been looking at the htc one x, samsung galaxy s11 and the sony xperia s.
But im open to any option.
One thing the phone must have it good memory. More than the our Wonder has to offer.

well go look at here

I'm personally digging the HTC One series. As much as I love the One X, it may be too expensive for me and I think it's also on the bigger side that I'm sure you may not like as well.
The One S on the other hand are smaller and I would personally recommend it for you.
However, I don't think that now is the best time to buy an Android phone because there's not much choices out there for the newer generation of phones. Prices may drop when more newer phones are available on the market.
I'm rather interested at what the SGSIII specs will be when it is officially released.
Edit:
I'm sure 1GB of RAM would be enough for a lot of multitasking considering that we're doing okay with only 512MB(more like 150MB+) with the SGW. What concerns me though, are the fact that new phones like the HTC One series have non-removable battery and no external SD card slot. It would be a shame if all phones in the future has these.

dirron86 said:
I'm personally digging the HTC One series. As much as I love the One X, it may be too expensive for me and I think it's also on the bigger side that I'm sure you may not like as well.
The One S on the other hand are smaller and I would personally recommend it for you.
However, I don't think that now is the best time to buy an Android phone because there's not much choices out there for the newer generation of phones. Prices may drop when more newer phones are available on the market.
I'm rather interested at what the SGSIII specs will be when it is officially released.
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I'm sure 1GB of RAM would be enough for a lot of multitasking considering that we're doing okay with only 512MB(more like 150MB+) with the SGW. What concerns me though, are the fact that new phones like the HTC One series have non-removable battery and no external SD card slot. It would be a shame if all phones in the future has these.
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Not worried about ram size, was internal memory was on about. But i see what ya mean by size of the phone. Also phone industry is always changing. You could by the best phone in the world today and in two weeks time something better is out. So im not to worried about that but as much as i hate samsungs strategy about there phones they make prob the best ones on the market.
SIII seems to be the flagship phone so and its ment to be released fairly soon..
Also price of the phone does not matter. On bill do most i think ill be payin is 200euro on the bill im on at the minute

My advice would be if you don't need the latest and greatest,go for the GS2.But if you are prepared to wait,hold on till the Samsung announcement next month and they will definitely announce a smaller device along with the GS3...I think they are calling it the I9300...it will have the latest Exynos.Personally,I don't quite trust HTC yet,already there are lots of reports of issues with the One Series phones.Sony is still playing catchup for now,still using last year's hardware.I think for a really good Android experience keep tabs on the next generation superphones from Sammy.
Sent from my Wonder

Google Nexus S is a very good choice with low budget but high performent
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA

What provider you with snwman......
Like you can see, I am with Tesco Ireland...cheap and cheerful....but, shyte phones!!!
I actually also like cheap and cheerful in phones, so, if I mess up, no big deal....
I am waiting for delivery from Amazon, of T-mobile Vivacity[TMV], for the Missus, it was only about £100...maybe €125....
It is basically a T-mobile branded ZTE Crescent (Blade II)....
but, like with all ZTE, there is an active modding community, on Modaco....
already they have ICS ROM's CM9, and AOKP [Kang]....
ZTE are also going to introduce a big new line of reasonably priced ICS phones this year, so be on the look-out....
Chinese [ZTE] are going to rule the World...OK
My first Android was the original Blade[Orange San Francisco]....and it was, and is, a treasure, so easy to flash and mod, none of this Kies or ODIN stuff, really stock Android......no overlays, like TW.
Keep an eye out for cheap and cheerful Chinese produced phones, is my advice!!
Personally, I like the look and spec of this ZTE Mimosa X
2012 ZTE range

@Irishpancake I'm with meteor at the minute but can switch easily will look for the best deal.
I get impatient so I think I'll have to go try phones out. It's the end of may my contract is up so hopefully something comes up by then.
Be a hard choice. One thing is quad core phones necessary compared to a good duel core phone.

If you're not looking for the latest or fastest, I'd suggest getting something like the Nexus S or anything with Google Experience (or whatever you call it). I think it's worth because they most likely will have full support from google with the frequency of updates and everything.
I also remember reading something about Sony soon releasing source codes of their phones to the modding community so it's also something to take into account at least for me.

Is there any hope for an LTE version?

I've been looking at various possible upgrade options for my Xperia Tablet Z2, and whenever I looked - I either saw OEMs selling rather underwhelming in terms of specs devices, or the ones that were even remotely atrractive got forgotten and abandoned in terms of software updates (some fated to forever officially remain on KitKat and/or Lollipop, with only saving grace being a custom ROM, if one exists in the first place)
I also was not happy when Sony announced Xperia Tablet Z4, mostly due to its ridiculous pricing and Snapdragon 810 inside, which instantly kills any device for me personally
Then, last year, Google announced this fantastic little tablet called the Pixel C. It's got perfect battery size, perfect specs, perfect screen, so generally I'd be happy with one of these (although I do wish there was a black version instead of silver metallic)....except for one thing.
The lack of an LTE-equipped version. Now we're several months into Pixel C being sold, but Google still hasn't commented nor announced one, and I don't really have much faith that they would say anything on the matter at google I/O next week
So is there any hope left for a WiFi+LTE Pixel C in the future? I really wouldn't like to abandon Android as a platform for tablet devices and switch to iOS or Windows

No...no hope. Maybe the Pixel 2. Also, idt the 810 should be a concern, because this is a tablet we're talking about, so it's easier to accomplish proper heat dissipation, which was really the only issue with the 810, albeit a big one. I have no info on whether it was properly done on the Z4 Tablet. This is just a general thought.

Nexus 5x replacement

Given the bootloop issue, what phone are people moving to?
Really liked this phone but with LG being unable to fix this reliably ...
Some requirements:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller
- Camera needs to be as good or better
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12

I'm really glad someone asked this because I am going through it too with my 5x. What do you guys think about the OnePlus 3T? Honestly, I have own every Nexus model,LG made the 4,5,&5x and those were always my work horses (flashaholic over here) and never had ANY trouble until the 5x.Now the Motorola Nexus 6,yeah they burnt my a** good.My Nexus 6p? FUGHETTABOUTIT!! You can add the F**KN to the front of that.It pulled this same crap months ago,now I have a great paperweight.Right Now it's a debate between the 3T and waiting for the OnePlus 5. I'm open to suggestions folks,if you know a better option, Please chime in!!!!

StakMak99 said:
I'm really glad someone asked this because I am going through it too with my 5x. What do you guys think about the OnePlus 3T? Honestly, I have own every Nexus model,LG made the 4,5,&5x and those were always my work horses (flashaholic over here) and never had ANY trouble until the 5x.Now the Motorola Nexus 6,yeah they burnt my a** good.My Nexus 6p? FUGHETTABOUTIT!! You can add the F**KN to the front of that.It pulled this same crap months ago,now I have a great paperweight.Right Now it's a debate between the 3T and waiting for the OnePlus 5. I'm open to suggestions folks,if you know a better option, Please chime in!!!!
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OnePlus 3T is too much of a f'ing brick. Way too large for a phone.
I would probably go for the OnePlus X but it's not sold anywhere.
I would go for the Xperia X Compact (23MP camera! and nice size!) but no official Lineago OS support, so sadly a no.
I should clarify that I also require LTE bands 4, 12 (T-Mobile) and maybe even 17 (at&t) ...

You know after looking around the choices if you want good support by aftermarket ROMs and Lineage is either something like the OnePlus or the Honor 5X. (The 6X and the 8 still have some issues in development of custom roms, but the 8 is further along than the 6X). Or spend big bucks and get one of the mainstream Samsung S# devices...
I just bought one of the Honor 5Xs for my wife actually and just went through unlocking the bootloader, and installing Lineage. I must say Im impressed with, for $150 phone its not that far from or Nexus 5X. When I get back home (traveling for work right now) I want to load some games to it and see how it does. For basic tasks it seems great. Battery life has been great for her so far, and build quality is good. Most of important, official Lineage support. So while the specs being a little behind the our 5X had me a little worried, once I had in my hands I was pleasantly surprised. For the price, no complaints.

I feel ya, same here as far as the T-Mobile and AT&T LTE. How about swappa.com on finding a OnePlus X

andTab said:
Given the bootloop issue, what phone are people moving to?
Really liked this phone but with LG being unable to fix this reliably ...
Some requirements:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller
- Camera needs to be as good or better
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
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Yeah, and no Samsung or Iphone, no Huawei, Xi or ZTE either i'd imagine as they have all had problems worse or similar.
There will be problems with phones as long as new tech is pushed out faster than the tech is ready. I'd go with a Pixel phone which is in essence a HTC device which you apparently don't like.
So, Nokia 3310? It won't fail you.

Honor 8?

Pixel. I really don't like the price tag (actually I hate the idea of a >$500 phone) but after years of rooting and ROMing I have gone hard all the way to the other side. I like the "Google" android experience, being able to easily take updates (since not rooted / unlocked bl), getting regular monthly updates and using Android Pay without hassle. The only thing I miss is Viper4Android. I really wish Google would pay some attention to audio and put in some better processing options.

adobeman said:
Pixel. I really don't like the price tag (actually I hate the idea of a >$500 phone) but after years of rooting and ROMing I have gone hard all the way to the other side. I like the "Google" android experience, being able to easily take updates (since not rooted / unlocked bl), getting regular monthly updates and using Android Pay without hassle. The only thing I miss is Viper4Android. I really wish Google would pay some attention to audio and put in some better processing options.
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Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
Second, after Google selling you a Nexus 5x and then ditching you over to LG with this issue, you really would give them your money again? Fool me once, ... I guess you can be fooled at least 3-5 times.

andTab said:
Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
Second, after Google selling you a Nexus 5x and then ditching you over to LG with this issue, you really would give them your money again? Fool me once, ... I guess you can be fooled at least 3-5 times.
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Nope. I know all about the boot loops. No issues whatsoever with my 5x. Best value in a phone ever for me @ $249. And from what I've read those that bought from Google store, as I did, aren't getting ditched to LG for support. Also seen plenty of happy Pixel users too. If I still wanted to root/ROM there would be more options fore sure but I don't and I no longer can stand any other phones with their F-ed up UI, bloat and never having updates. As a Fi user I also couldn't be happier never ever having to deal with a major carrier again. Yeah, sure, I'm pissed at Google for abandoning the idea of disruptively affordable devices in the US but I'd still rather deal with them than a carrier, OEM or other reseller. Not fooled even once.
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.

andTab said:
Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.
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Not sure on why you are so hell bent on thinking I'm delusional. I'm speaking only of my actual experience not others. Dollar for dollar the 5X is the best I've had. I'm very aware of the boot loop issue and acknowledge it's real. I'm not convinced that it's a manufacturing defect in all 5X phones ever made though. If you have some proof of that I really would be interested in it. Really, I would. Not because I dispute what you say but because I just havn't seen any proof that it's every phone.
Truth is even if I do get the loop I only spent $250 for the thing. I've easily got my money's worth out of it when compared to >$800 other options. Phones are tools not jewels. The cheaper the better. If there's another phone you know of that's not bloated, doesn't have a modded UI, get's security updates every month and get's new Android versions promptly then I'm all ears. Seriously.

If I get a refund for my bricked 5X, I think I might get a Moto X pure.
That is what I bought my wife and its pretty reliable for her (and easy to fix, as usual she hulk smashed the screen after about 3 months and I fixed it no problem)
BUT I am also very interested to see what HMD/Nokia do with their new phones. I have always been a Nokia fan. So it would be nice to get quality hardware with a widely supported OS (my brain thinks back to my old 8800 with Symbian S40)

andTab said:
Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
But sure: fanboys will always buy crap from the company they love. Just be a decent human being and don't actually talk others into believing your delusions.
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Who gave the info that 100% of 5X is defected?
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Pixel is the ONLY replacement for me. But:
1) Is expensive (for a 24 months update device) and we don't know whether is gonna bootloop or not.
2) Still has the same random ****ty compass decalibration that I had with my previous Nexus and only haven't had with my current work's iPhone 5S (that works amazing in any historic centre in places with tiny labyrinth streets like Barcelona). This is the worst part of the Nexus and Pixels. And still using Google Maps. I think Compass issues are one of the Top 3 complains in the Google product forums. And they still haven't fixed it in the hardware or firmware of their products..
3) still lacking the old N5 OIS. But this is compensated with the great HDR+ that only the Nexus / Pixel have. IMO.
4) And the Pixel is still big compared to the iPhones or the old Moto X or Galaxy Nexus.
Vs iPhones this is compensated with the non-physical/virtual buttons that make the phones​ easier to be used​ with one hand all the time.
(In fact I find and iPhone 7 with that terrible home button...and some back buttons..and that landscape multitasking....as difficult as a phablet, but still is a perfect size and nice shape to use with one hand)
Now Vs the old Gnexus or Moto X...is still more difficult. I'm one handing a 6P half of my time though... But I still miss the X or Gnexus shape/size.
On the contrary I used a Z5 Compact, smaller phone, and is not more comfortable than a Nexus 5...because of the terrible rectangular shape and is slippery material. So the size of the phone is not what only matters. Material and ergonomic shape is important as well.
Extra: there is still no stock, only released in 5 countries, and I'm not that hyped after so many months since release date. Specially now that I'm got a 6P with a new battery (original Huawei was terrible messed). But still is a huge phone compared to the Pixel.
And my priority:
2 > 1 > 4 > 3
BTW: I've just bought another 5X from Amazon (used) for my GF, at less than 220€. If the Manufactured date is OCT2015 I'll instant return it. Otherwise, I'll intensively try it for 30 days, if it doesn't boot loop I'll take my chances.
For the same price I was considering a Moto G5 with 3GB of RAM (this is the best part of this device) but 16GB Internal and I don't really like the camera, at least in low light, plus the SoC is old and both phones will update to Android O.
Sent from my Nexus 6P

andTab said:
Definitely not. First, reviews for the phone are actually pretty bad.
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Most of sites giving Pixel critical reviews are just whining that Google is now charging the prices like Apple, Samsung, or LG. Otherwise, its hardware remains top notch, and the software will be always ahead of competition in terms of security updates and major releases. Some people can make the case that the Samsung Galaxy S8 is now the best Android smartphone. But I suspect that people who are used to stock and lean Android ROMs and speedy software updates would disagree with that.
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andTab said:
Great. You also know that you do have the bootloop issue ... it just hasn't happened yet. It's a manufacturing defect so it is a WHEN not an IF.
Second (or third?) Nexus device with a known defect (N7, N5x and I believe there was something with the N5) and each time Google passed the buck.
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I think someone from Google or LG said that only 15% or so of those devices were affected with the bootloop problem.
The question is though, whom exactly can you trust to make a quality smartphone when the giants like Samsung and LG have been caught with their pants down a few times? You can't trust anyone any more. That's why I personally like the idea of buying a 300USD smartphone, like a Moto G5 Plus (4GB) or a Huawei Honor 8 (when they regularly go on sale). If it bootloops or explodes, it's not a huge loss. If it does not break, then you will end up with a whole lot of spare smartphones after a couple of years.

el_mariachi_4 said:
If I get a refund for my bricked 5X, I think I might get a Moto X pure.
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Moto X Pure is a good value, but I think the new Moto G5 Plus (4G RAM version) has surpassed it. The problem with Moto X Pure is that Nougat is the last Android update it will ever receive (while Moto G5 Plus was launched with Nougat) and there is no fingerprint sensor. Otherwise, the big and accurate screen as well as stereo speakers still make MXP a compelling phone for a whole lot of people.

Akopps said:
The question is though, whom exactly can you trust to make a quality smartphone when the giants like Samsung and LG have been caught with their pants down a few times? You can't trust anyone any more. That's why I personally like the idea of buying a 300USD smartphone, like a Moto G5 Plus (4GB) or a Huawei Honor 8 (when they regularly go on sale). If it bootloops or explodes, it's not a huge loss. If it does not break, then you will end up with a whole lot of spare smartphones after a couple of years.
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Agree that those aren't bad phones but their size is just a huge turnoff.
Price wise they are about in the right spot: $200 - $400 should be the range for a phone that is better than the N5x at this point.
Like I said in my original post - the requirements for a proper Nexus 5x replacement:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller (ideally probably 4.5 - 5.0" screen with a high screen to body ratio)
- Camera needs to be as good or better as N5x
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12

andTab said:
Agree that those aren't bad phones but their size is just a huge turnoff.
Price wise they are about in the right spot: $200 - $400 should be the range for a phone that is better than the N5x at this point.
Like I said in my original post - the requirements for a proper Nexus 5x replacement:
- No phones from LG, HTC or Motorola (gotten burned once or twice by each one of these - NEVER AGAIN!)
- Phone size should be the same as Nexus 5x or smaller (ideally probably 4.5 - 5.0" screen with a high screen to body ratio)
- Camera needs to be as good or better as N5x
- Fingerprint reader and USB-C
- VoLTE on T-Mobile Band 12
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Seems that there is no such thing...

shut_down said:
Seems that there is no such thing...
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Lenovo Zuk Z2? It's on sale all the time as well and can be had for as low as 170 USD.
http://gsmarena.com/lenovo_zuk_z2-8125.php
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Do you feel disappointed by your pixel c? (and google by extension)

First it was speculated to come with chrome OS (at one point it was found to have been originally planned for it), then the thing was sent out with bugs (I had the random reboot and now severe lag) that were promised to be fixed by software and never were.
NOW I read were not even getting Android P even thought the tablet is more than capable in handling it.
I have to be honest Im SEVERELY disappointed in googles newest devices. The Nexus and Nexus S were solid, the nexus 5 was a miracle, the 5x was a slight taper down with the bootloop issue but google made sure to take care of a lot of those people. Now my pixel 2 already had the mic bug, was replaced and now has the loose USB C issue and will have to be swapped again. On top of that the pixel c was being sold new about 3 or 4 months ago and now google is basically telling those people "hey guess what you bought something were not supporting!"
Honestly this was a pretty pricey tablet but between the random rebooting and atrocious lag that never got nor will apparently ever be fixed, I for one am completely disenchanted with googles devices. I see the watch may be coming out in fall but I dont know if I can bring myself to even be curious about it.
How do you guys feel about the tablet? Do you have any of the issues? Do you plan on buying another from them?

I don't own this device (yet) but having only every used Nexus tabs (and I have used them all) and hearing about Pixel devices, google needs to either A: reform their in house hardware development system (fire and hire designers, get more people to scrutinize design, better manufactures, etc.) or B: Scrap in house hardware design and go back to other OEM's and re-open the Nexus program, preferably with Samsung and HTC, because let's be honest, the best Nexus devices were made by them hands down. LG Nexus 5 is the ONLY exception and even then the Galaxy Nexus was better. I know option A would cost A LOT, but that extra cha ching is just an investment really. Better hardware sells better and builds more confidence in your brand, which is pretty much non-existent in the Pixel Line up. Case and point it sucks that you are having these issues, and reccomend you sell your Pixel C for a good Nexus 9 or Nexus 10 if you don't mind leeping back down to android 6.0.1 (or staying at 7.1/8.1 if you don't mind a lack of camera or flash)

I think this is the best Android tablet ever built, even if it is a couple years old now.
Great build quality, great screen quality and dimensions, fast and great battery life.
Nvidia X1 is also the best chip ever produced by the company: great Gpu (as K1) but this time also solid CPU.
It is perfectly enjoyable even stock.
I had no reboot or lag or other problems here.
I am coming from Nexus 9 (previously owned also Nexus 10 and Nexus 7 2012) and Pixel C is a great improvement

I am also quite disappointed:
At least I expected that ChromeOS would be ported to the Pixel C. Reading some discussions here, the Pixel C is already fully prepared for ChromeOS. Even the bootloader seems to be a ChromeOS-Bootloader.
The next disappointment was that the Pixel C wont get an official Android P ROM. I expect that LineageOS will deliver a P ROM. We will see.
I also do not intend to buy a Google device again if I can avoid it. Because of an broken display I recognised that Google has a pretty descent support. But the devices are much overpriced, like Apple. But a Killer-Argument for me is an official Support for a custom ROM. (Because I normally intend to use my devices MUCH longer than the manufacturers intend to deliver updates.) Otherwise I would have an Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 (because of the pen). So it is possible that i would by another Google device, but it is not very likely.