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ok have just been given a xdaII by work but can not get past the cognito software it is running. I have no access to any of its features or even the software. i cannot delete software as it is for work any help would be very apreciated thanks
griz
anybody know this software?
Cognito Mobile Management is a powerful administrator function, enabling user rights to be applied to mobile terminals. Managers are provided with the tools to define parameters for voice and email usage; apply restrictions to Internet browsing; dispatch configurations, software updates, address books and system templates; and remotely retrieve detailed usage analysis. Most importantly all capabilities are executed remotely and discreetly.
Is this the Cognito you mean, grizly, or are you talking about the mobile messaging Cognito which takes over the entire device?
Messaging Cognito I can tell you a bit about - With the Siemens SX-56, the software installed itself from an MMC card. If you took out the MMC card and performed a hard reset it would go into normal Windows Mobile. However, you do lose ALL your messages. I've stopped working with Cognito units now so I couldn't tell you what they did with the XDA2 - though it's a safe bet it's in the Extended ROM. Unfortunately the software is pretty watertight. Early versions had bugs which would cause the phone tones to be heard when you hit the right regions of the screen - and, I think, allowed dialing! - but they probably fixed that (not that there was actually any way into the OS from the phone) so you're pretty much stuffed unless you overwrite the ROM. And then you won't have the Cognito software or data, and you'll be totally screwed.
grizly, I think there is a suggestion that Cognito lets the controller know when attempts have been made to circumvent the system, in fact every single keycode is probably uploaded at intervals. Is it worth trying? There is a reason for the installation of the cognito system, maybe you could buy your own phone and play to your hearts delight.
well i know the software is run from the memory card and it does take over the complete device so nobody actually knows a waay to get round this without losing information?
so can take it there isn't anyway then
You could try removing the memory card if present then doing a reset but as was said they have probably written bespoke software to the extended rom then locked so that even a hard reset will loop back to installation from extended rom which puts you back where you began but minus any data you may have had on the phone. can you say what it is you were hoping to acheive if it was possible to access the functions of the phone, or is it a secret?
The Cognito messaging software is basically a messaging app. Cognito used to use devices which had a 40x4 LCD display and a keyboard - clever little unit, looked quite robust.. but people still managed to **** them up on a regular basis. NTL used to use them as well as the company I worked for. They ultimately turned off the national radio network that the devices worked on - and instead of adapting the existing devices to run on GPRS or GSM, they backed out of the hardware thang and bought COTS devices. To save themselves many problems with support calls, they simply removed the ability to use any Windows functionality. I mean *ANY* Windows functionality. Many of our staff finished up with a laptop, a company mobile AND a PDA-Phone with the software on it. Which was a bit stupid when they could have just had the damn PDA and made calls from that!
grizly - is this the system you mean? With a grey background? There is NO way round it - even if you hacked up the installer etc and managed to create some magic key combination to show the Start menu/Today screen, you'd lose all your data and you'd have to call HQ and ask them to resend everything. And that gets suspicious after the 3rd or 4th time.
.. please don't expect replies within 24 hours every time - I sometimes don't check this board for a week and I'm sure others are the same
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Is this the Cognito you mean, grizly, or are you talking about the mobile messaging Cognito which takes over the entire device?
Messaging Cognito I can tell you a bit about - With the Siemens SX-56, the software installed itself from an MMC card. If you took out the MMC card and performed a hard reset it would go into normal Windows Mobile. However, you do lose ALL your messages. I've stopped working with Cognito units now so I couldn't tell you what they did with the XDA2 - though it's a safe bet it's in the Extended ROM. Unfortunately the software is pretty watertight. Early versions had bugs which would cause the phone tones to be heard when you hit the right regions of the screen - and, I think, allowed dialing! - but they probably fixed that (not that there was actually any way into the OS from the phone) so you're pretty much stuffed unless you overwrite the ROM. And then you won't have the Cognito software or data, and you'll be totally screwed.
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You said that after taking out the mmc and hard reseting the device it goes to normal Window Mobile but it doesnt for my MAgician PM10B. I even tried flashing it but still the Cognito Starts up itself.
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just a single hard reset and the device will on with windows mobile logo and qualities
So I have been using my imate PDA2k without a hitch, purchased it unlocked, and was using a local carrier somewhere in Europe (Voda). Went to T Mobile in the same country and put the sim in - BOOM - white screen on startup and it seems to have reset because I heard the pings to indiate screen alignment.
Took it home, used My Mobiler to looksee what is happening. Its all working fine, the screen and everything, its just white! And after several Power/Reset button resets everything is still there but on the device - white screen only. Power on battery and backup indicated 100% but backup battery for a while said "needs replacing" - then on settings now its 100%
The touchscreen works! I reinstalled the password and when I touch the white screen in the places of the four numbers, its ok!
But its all white! What can I do?
hi and welcome to the forum.
there are basicly two options to what could have happened, either something got messed up with the rom and after the sim changed it was triggered and went completely wrong or while changing the sim, you accidently caused a hardware defect.
another way to try that is: put the device into bootloader mode!
the way to do that is press power+record+reset. maybe hold the power+record a little longer after resetting.
if your device screen shows SERIAL V2.0x (where x is a number from 5 to 7), apparently your hardware is ok and just your rom broke. in that case, after you claimed you already hard resetted, you might want to flash that rom again. if i read your post correctly, you are still running wm2003se. if your carrier does not host your rom anymore, you can always refer to xplode's shipped rom archive here: http://firmware.atspace.com/Blueangel.html
if your device still shows only white, either when trying to access bootloader mode, or after re-flashing, yo might have harmed your hardware. you might want to check for a replacement screen. if you want to have a look inside your device, whether the display cable maybe broke, here is a link to the service manual: http://rapidshare.com/files/336406555/HTC_Blue_Angel_Service_Manual.pdf
i don't think it can have anything to do with the backup battery, but if that really was the reason, here you find a thread with someone, selling them: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=551886
or you could upgrade your rom to wm5 or above, then the backup battery is not needed at all.
Thanks for the great response!
So I waited about an hour of using it with My Mobiler but with a white screen only on the device, and then waited a bit, and and just pressed power and reset again to see if yet another reset would work - and it did.
It was so strange that the previous times I tried to reset it didnt seem to work at all. But I knew that the screen was ok because I used My Mobiler and could press the password for the device on the white screen ok, guessing where the numbers were, and it activated fine.
So strange, but its all ok now. Thanks guys - this device is 5 years old!
mymobiler is a remote connection to the device, so that does not necessarily shows, that the screen is working, because it uses the usb port to determin, what the display would show, just like a remote desktop connection to a pc can work, even when your vga or dvi cable is broken, because picture information is sent through lan or wlan then, with a virtual graphics driver. also for some people, the touch feature worked fine before without the screen showing anything, because that is also another layer, that is transmitted through the digitizer. it could really have indicated that your display flex cable was broken, which is why i went both ways in my answer.
i am glad to hear it works again, just posted to clarify a few things
also, if you ever get tired of wm2003, make sure to have a look at d-two's wm6.5.3 rom in my signature and in this thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=569869
back in the day, when i still used wm2003, i felt quite excluded in mobile developments of the last few years, because many 3rd party applications would just work on wm5 or above and with that rom you can be up to date and use a lot of new features, which make the phone feel less like an old pda and more like a new phone. but now, that your device works again, of course that is completely optional.
Great Tony!
Although I am a little afraid to flash the rom to WM5 or 6 I should give it a go.
Im happy with the BA the way it is with some GUI software!
Thanks again!
i also had different gui improvements installed on wm2003, but still it didn't feel to fingerfriendly, which is important for me, because, let's face it, the BA is a modern phone, not some geeky 90s PDA , so fumbling around with a stylus is just not cool. also, whenever i looked on engadget i was incredibly envious of all the cool apps and GUIs. whenever i looked at ppc freeware pages i saw that most games, media players, browsers... would just work with wm5 or above, and after i found out, that it is incredibly easy to make your BA become a modern device (i would even go as far as calling wm6.5.3 a 2010 phone), i decided i want that, to kick every iphone's butt, to install any app i want, not to be forced to install 20 programs after a hard reset anymore, because everything already works fine and looks nice. i mean, these days, you hard reset, the extrom installs windows marketplace for you, you log in with your live account, it downloads everything you had installed/bought from there, including microsoft myphone and when you start myphone, you are already logged in, so it syncs all your pim data with the internet, and you have everything back. back in the day i was afraid i would lose everything i set up for ages if i ever had to hard reset, these days it just takes an internet connection and 20minutes of your time, to have your phone completely back up after flashing a new rom. it is amazing. before upgrading (the procedure for windows xp is to be found in the 2nd post of the link above) you should still make a backup of all your data, either through pimbackup (freeware by dotfred) at http://www.dotfred.net/ or with spb backup, available at spbsoftwarehouse as a trial version, in case you want to go back. about those backup apps, pimbackup is great because you can schedule backups of all your important information, also stuff that is not synced, like sms or the call history and restore it to any other rom or even other device, but it does not back up your installed programs (most of which you won't need anymore anyway.). spb backup on the other hand makes a backup of the entire system, and can restore the exact state of the device after a hard reset, including all installed programs and those programs settings, on the downside, those backups are worthless on another rom, just work for hard resets.
that was just a fair warning, because not everybody is happy with wm6.5's battery life and performance, especially when coming directly from wm2003. i started with wm6.0 and so i am used to those disadvantages, and since the roms get better with every new release, it is actually an improvement for me every time.
also i need to tell you, that by tomorrow, there will be a new rom released build 23518 by egzthunder1. yes, although the number is not higher, that rom is newer. but since none of us know, if that rom has any bugs, it might not be right to start with that one right away, you should probably try the one from my signature / from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=569869 (same thing) because there, the bugs are known and listed. when you have found your way around the new OS, you can still switch roms in about an hour, as stated above, you travel light with the new roms, and as long as your pim data is backed up and you follow the instructions, everything will be fine.
with best regards,
Chef_Tony
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if you want to have a look inside your device, whether the display cable maybe broke, here is a link to the service manual
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I don't know if I can post this here, kindly let me know if this is the wrong thread to post.
I have xv6600 yes I am still using it
It seems that I have broken my Display cable as I don't get any display.
But sometimes when I Slide the keboard in and out many times I do get display.
I took it to the local mobile reparing shop and he says that the cable is broken but I will have to change the complete LCD, as it's not possible to change only the display ribbion.
I was a bit worried in changing the complete lcd as I am not sure what quality of LCD he is going to use.
I would like to know if it is possible to change only the display ribbion. and where can I get one. Your help will be greatly apprreciated I really love this handset and don't want to leave it
Thanks in advance
have a look in the service manual, there you will find the exact display used in the device. there is a photo of it on page 55.
Thanx a lot Tony for your quick reply, this forum is great I have learned a lot from this forum over time.
I saw the display from the service manual, infact the mobile repair guy had opened my phone and shown me the display, but I was concerned if there is any chance that i can just repair or change the ribbon instead of the complete diplay.
i haven't opened up my device, yet. i'm glad i never had to, but from all lcds i know, i think that the flex cable is integrated in the display unit and only has a plug on the other side, so you cannot detach it. also, you should think about costs. the cable alone probably wouldn't be any cheaper than the entire display and if you had it assembled in a local shop, changing the flex cable only (if possible) would be much more work than replacing the entire unit, so causing more costs. actually, i believe the cheapest way would be, buying an entire new BlueAngel. new devices go for 100eur here in germany. the official retail price for a display unit alone is 130eur.
Hi
I'm expecting delivery of T-Mobile HTC Desire soon.
I have chosen this phone over HTC HD2 on a 7 day trial basis.
I know of the issue concerning bluetooth voice dialing on android phones and I am prepared to accept that there might or might not be a solution eventually.
I am a user of Thunderbird and use a program called Birdiesync for use with Windows Mobile phones. It just works 100%.
It seems to sync Thunderbird calendar and email will be fine on Desire, but I'm not so sure about thunderbird and contacts. For me most of my 500 contacts have postal addresses which are important to me, whereas only a small % have email addresses. It seems Thunderbird and Google contacts are handled differently and the few Thunderbird addons that exist for this issue are not 100%. Certainly when it comes to maintaining the structure of postal addresses.
Lastly I use a piece of software called SKScheMa 1.2.17 on Windows Mobile. This allows me to create a script that turns on bluetooth when phone is on charge and turns it off when phone taken off charge. I like this because when I get out of my car and go to a customers front door I don't want the phone still connected to the car bluetooth system. this software handles this for me. QUESTION: Does juicedefender handle this or can anyone else suggest another app.
It seems I am expected to give up quite a lot of functionability to move over to the Android platform, but I do believe it is/will be the OS of choice in the future.
Feedback and help would be most gratefuly received.
You almost always lose functionality when you move from Winmo, but you gain a nice interface and more fun apps. Eventually android will cover the short fall, it just depends how long you can wait.
The issue with the Desire v HD2 is not just software though. As nice as the AMOLED on the Desire is, the size of the HD2 is compelling. There really is no contest for picture and movie viewing. Some like the saturation level on AMOLED screens, but its much less natural than the LCD on the HD2, its just over saturated. Its not such a big deal on a phone i guess, but some pictures and videos do look quite wrong. I put both through a calibration using the gear i had for my Plasma and i can tell you the blacks on the AMOLED are great, but the colours are WAY WAY off. The HD2 is much better despite only being 65k colours.
Yeah
I'm not too sure if Android is for me to be honest.
I am fed up with poor battery life on every single Winmo phone I have ever owned. I use about 1500mins of tak per month. I really do need MS Voice Command, couldn't care less about playing mp3's watching vids etc. I like to be able to surf net and send and recieve emails. Because of my usage i will always be offered top spec phone for free. I just fancied a change, but even prior to delivery I may have to accept the fact that this latest phone is gonna have to be yet another HTC winmo phone that comes with an old platform, poor battery life etc. I may just need to wait another 18 months of contract before moving over to Android. I'm not too sure what winmo 7 will bring or lack or even if it will be available from here for the HD2
Although I am yet to get the Desire in my hands, it seems everything about the OS is a workaround to get the most basic of features working in a fashion that I am used to. The ability to sync contacts/email and calendar should just work. I just don't get it! Perhaps thunderbird is the problem, but I am not prepared to use Outlook. I use portable thunderbird on my main drive, and this allows you to copy the whole thin over onto a USB stick and use anywhere if required. hats just not possible with Outlook.
The HD2 is a great phone if you want compatibility with Office apps and the like. The screen is awesome and (if you use a custom ROM) bettery life is more than acceptable (2 days with moderate use).
BUT the Desire is a better all round phone out the box. I had to cook my own ROM to get my HD2 how I wanted it. I've not touched a thing on the Desire since I got it.
Perhaps you can help me then.
I really would love to be able to have bluetooth on when unit is on charge and off when not. Does anyone know of an app that does it. Does Juicedefender?
Whilst I may not have to meddle with the Desire it just might be beacuse nothing I want it to do for me is actually available.
1. No bluetooth handsfree voice dialing
2. No apparant flawless syncing between Thunderbird and Android platform
3. No bluetooth on when on charge and off when disconnected.
Whilst I fully understand my requirements may not be on the forefront of many mainstream users, they are hardly so obscure to be not available.
I just don't get it. I know the Android platform is the future, but perhaps for me I need to wait.
I'll give it the 7 days and see if the experience is so great that I'm prepared to give up the proper functionability I have come to expect from a phone.
I had the same dilema... HD2 or Desire..
I've got the Desire but it's going back to orange today... Don't get me wrong it's a good phone but the main things I use my phone for just don't work as well as in my winmo diamond... so, i'm getting the HD2 - I stream a lot of video/mp3s with myplayer, skyfire (tvactchup) and also use fpsece a lot on my diamond but the experience i've had with video streaming on the desire is'nt great.. I know they'll get it right when Full Flash is released later in the year (10.1? is it?) but I'm a bit impatient and I can't wait till then.
I've also tried Xdandroid on my diamond and although it's not perfect I should be able to run Android on my winmo device anyway - so that's made my mind up.
I've had my HD2 for about 6 weeks now, and I'm fed up with it. I have loads of issues with it, but the big ones are:
- Constantly crashes (dialer app mainly - I've tried various ROMS with no luck)
- On screen keyboard is useless
- Internet links impossible to hit cleanly every time, even when zoomed in.
- Smooth scrolling of menus/web pages is impossible
- Lack of a proper "App Store"
- No upgrade path to Win Phone 7
- Confused, counter intuitive UI layout (Window's fault)
- Phone is so large its difficult to hold/operate with one hand.
My wife took delivery of her Desire yesterday, and I'm jealous, although it has reminded me that the HD2 has a lovely *big* screen in comparison.
Desire first impressions:
- On screen keyboard is a delight to use
- Internet links are easy to click
- Nice smooth menu action
- Well thought out, intuitive UI
- Sits nicely in the palm, easy to use one handed
In terms of battery life no smart phone is especially good. I dont think you really lose or gain anything by switching to another OS if the hardware spec is basically the same.
Get both! haha
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalkp
Lyrrad said:
Perhaps you can help me then.
I really would love to be able to have bluetooth on when unit is on charge and off when not. Does anyone know of an app that does it. Does Juicedefender?
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I'm pretty sure that Locale does this on the market, and I believe there are plenty of others too but I can't remember off the top of my head.
I would never go back to WinMo even if someone gave me the latest handset.
ritdaw said:
I'm pretty sure that Locale does this on the market, and I believe there are plenty of others too but I can't remember off the top of my head.
I would never go back to WinMo even if someone gave me the latest handset.
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Okay I have also been told that Tasker does it too.
Now I need to be convinced about syncing with Thunderbird properly. Calendar seems fine, and email is easy for me. It's just how contacts are handled. I use postal addresses a lot and I pride myself on the fact that I have over 600 records all properly set out below.
Address
City
State
Postal Code
Home Tel
Mobile Tel
Work Tel
Very few of them have an email address.
Android/Google seems to require an email address so all of my contacts now seem to require a bogus email. That's ok, but Google also seem to want to handle the address more a a note than anything else, and it does not seem to look nice on my PC. How it looks on my phone will be the make or breaking point for me.
I personally like the desire over the HD2, the one thing that annyoed me about the HD2 was the screen problems and having to keep on sending it back to HTC until you finally got one that worked.
Apart from that the wm6.5 and the phone itself was spot on, the HTC Desire on the other hand has not been rooted yet but is damn fast, if not faster than the bulky WM. The only down side to the desire for me are the keys at the bottom of the device.
Lyrrad said:
Android/Google seems to require an email address so all of my contacts now seem to require a bogus email. That's ok, but Google also seem to want to handle the address more a a note than anything else, and it does not seem to look nice on my PC. How it looks on my phone will be the make or breaking point for me.
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A large number of my contacts just have phone numbers and no email addresses. I tried creating a new contact with just a name and it work. Am I miss-understanding what you are trying to do?
Also setting profiles lite/pro probably handles the disabling and enabling of bluetooth.
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A large number of my contacts just have phone numbers and no email addresses. I tried creating a new contact with just a name and it work. Am I miss-understanding what you are trying to do?
Also setting profiles lite/pro probably handles the disabling and enabling of bluetooth.
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I'm not too sure if this is a Thunderbird issue. I use thunderbird over Outlook because you can instaal Portable Thunderbird onto your hard drive rather than a USB drive. Portable thunderbird by it's very nature does not install anything into your registery. Therefore it is possible to copy it in it in full at any given time on to a USB stick and then you are walking around with all of your details to be used plugged into any PC. I suppose if I were to really sit down and think about this option it may well be redundant if I am prepared to use Google. However my way of thinking at the moment is to use google as nothing more than a server between my Android phone and my email client.
All I know is that the Thunderbird addons do not seem to be flawless.
I need to get the phone and experiment.
I really would like it to work.
No Voice Command or anything that offere bluetooth handsfree voice dialling was all I thought I was giving up by moving to Android. However that may not be the case.
So I was thinking, after a error I received when updating my MCE PC.
In regards of PC when microsoft issues an update of windows 7 they do not have to think to much about hardware it is running on as drivers are done by manufacturer, ATI, Nvidia, intel or other. If they ever release a driver via windows update, any other driver the same, if all goes tits up you can go to safe mode and roll back drivers.
Now in case of WM6.5 drivers or other updates were downloaded from phone manufacturers website so they knew best how to mod it for their hardware and if all went tits up you could do a hard reset. Only good, tested mods went in to rom update.
Now with wp7, if I understand correctly, updates will become part of the original rom as there is no rom flashing by user. It has to be like that as if that would not be the case then hard reset could make the phone broken for hours until all your updates were up. So what if microsoft screws up and gets it wrong on their server and lets say HTC downloads a update for LG? It will screw up the phone and hard reset will not help. It does happen for PC's. With time there will be plenty more hardware out there so mistakes will be more likely. All you need is touch screen drivers to be buggy and phone might boot up but no access to it at all.
Who will take the blame for that? At first it will go back to seller on warranty but if there was a mass problem they would say no.
Look at apple, they release an OS update it is permanent. As they only have like 4 phones to deal with it is easy to test it. With time there will be plenty of wp7 models, just look at wm6.5.
How are we protected from that not happening?
Pretty sure updates are tested extensively by microsoft as well as the carriers.
How would WP7 be different than any other mobile OS in this regard?
i think desktop to phone comparison isn't really correct. with windows phone, MS knows what phones are being made and therefore can keep a proper database of these phones. why? well MS provides keys which get built straight into the memory of the phone (the issue with the HTC HD2 not working with WP7). so you won't just get any joe blogs install windows phone 7 on whatever they feel like it (as you do with wm6.5/android). so therefore, it's very rare that you'll get issues where the phone gets incorrect software not intended for it as MS can manage it properly on their servers, as well as pull anything that were rolled out straight off the phone (e.g. if an app misbehaves but somehow makes it through to marketplace, they can send a command to uninstall the app [same as iOS/Android]).
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Pretty sure updates are tested extensively by microsoft as well as the carriers.
How would WP7 be different than any other mobile OS in this regard?
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On WM6.5 updates are seperate little programs, patches, if one does not work well with your phone or certain app you hard reset and not install it next time.
With WM7 all goes in, updates rom image and you are stuck.
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i think desktop to phone comparison isn't really correct. with windows phone, MS knows what phones are being made and therefore can keep a proper database of these phones. why? well MS provides keys which get built straight into the memory of the phone (the issue with the HTC HD2 not working with WP7). so you won't just get any joe blogs install windows phone 7 on whatever they feel like it (as you do with wm6.5/android). so therefore, it's very rare that you'll get issues where the phone gets incorrect software not intended for it as MS can manage it properly on their servers, as well as pull anything that were rolled out straight off the phone (e.g. if an app misbehaves but somehow makes it through to marketplace, they can send a command to uninstall the app [same as iOS/Android]).
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You can compare with desktop, in case of desktop and WM6.5 you could select what to install, also you could always revert back if there were issues. With 6.5 by hard reset and reinstall minus not working app, on PC by rolling back the system.
As said above in WM7 when it is in it is in (that is if I got the info right).
In regards of keys, all you need is typing error. In regards of not working apps there is few that work on some WP7 phones and not others. Mistakes and half finished apps happen. I feel the same will happen with WP7 updates. Probably not now but look 2 years down the line where there will be 100's differant phone models.
Who will test all the updates, not MS and when update is out it is out. If the phone does not boot command to uninstall is not going to help. Especially that we are talking OS update. Apple can not send a command to rollback iphone 3gs from new-est os to one below.
Uh perfect example is apple where first release of iphone 4 os to 3gs did not work to well on all handsets, it was quite slow and they had to make another update. All users that did do it were stuck.
At the end we are talking MS, they do make mistakes. They do a lot of them on normal PC updates where patch does not work as expected.
I think you are mistaken. Every official update that has ever been done on my winmo phones was a full new OS and radio. Complete with hard reset.
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I think you are mistaken. Every official update that has ever been done on my winmo phones was a full new OS and radio. Complete with hard reset.
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No that is 6.5, wm7 will be more like PC, no rom updating just small patches integrated in to rom via windows update.
ruscik said:
On WM6.5 updates are seperate little programs, patches, if one does not work well with your phone or certain app you hard reset and not install it next time.
With WM7 all goes in, updates rom image and you are stuck.
You can compare with desktop, in case of desktop and WM6.5 you could select what to install, also you could always revert back if there were issues. With 6.5 by hard reset and reinstall minus not working app, on PC by rolling back the system.
As said above in WM7 when it is in it is in (that is if I got the info right).
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No that is 6.5, wm7 will be more like PC, no rom updating just small patches integrated in to rom via windows update.
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that was the same on wm6.5 and after a hardreset the update was still there (not working on custom rom's because they ripped the modules )
but MS didn't used it allot , Da_g has a whole thread of it explaining how cooks could use it to update there rom's from there own servers and .cert .
but a lot of cooks won't use this because you cannot protect your rom's any more
and ofcourse not cool for us ORD dud's
Microsoft specify the CPU and chipset to be used by every manufacturer, it is part of the specifications they have to adhere to to be granted a licence to use the WP7 OS.
Therefore the update should never brick the phone, as if it works on one it will work on all. That was kinda the whole point. It's a solution that sits in between the ass-crack tightness of Apple and the Grandma looseness of Android. I call it the Kylie zone.
Jim Coleman said:
Microsoft specify the CPU and chipset to be used by every manufacturer, it is part of the specifications they have to adhere to to be granted a licence to use the WP7 OS.
Therefore the update should never brick the phone, as if it works on one it will work on all. That was kinda the whole point. It's a solution that sits in between the ass-crack tightness of Apple and the Grandma looseness of Android. I call it the Kylie zone.
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The Kylie zone
On that screens are not the same so here is one, then touch panel on screen, charging units or even sound output sockets. There is a lot. With time also chipsets/CPU will change. Like for example snapdragon 1.5ghz that is somewhere near to come out.
Ceesheim ok so it is there but not used. However you could always revert back to stock rom in 6.5 (unless total brick where bootloader not working) by means of download and flash. For WP7 we do not have that and there is no word about it ever being there officially. So if you brick via update you have to send it for repair.
I suspet MS did not use it to much for the same reason I am thinking off. Look at how many differnat devices there are for 6.5 with hardware ranging from identical to completly different.
I guess time will tell how it will all work, general idea is sound it is just that I do not feel comfortable with fact that if a update screws up my device I have to send it for warranty or shell out for repair.
ruscik said:
The Kylie zone
On that screens are not the same so here is one, then touch panel on screen, charging units or even sound output sockets. There is a lot. With time also chipsets/CPU will change. Like for example snapdragon 1.5ghz that is somewhere near to come out.
Ceesheim ok so it is there but not used. However you could always revert back to stock rom in 6.5 (unless total brick where bootloader not working) by means of download and flash. For WP7 we do not have that and there is no word about it ever being there officially. So if you brick via update you have to send it for repair.
I suspet MS did not use it to much for the same reason I am thinking off. Look at how many differnat devices there are for 6.5 with hardware ranging from identical to completly different.
I guess time will tell how it will all work, general idea is sound it is just that I do not feel comfortable with fact that if a update screws up my device I have to send it for warranty or shell out for repair.
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we can revert back by flashing a new stock rom ( look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=783 all the roms there can be used )
there are a lot of people who did that with a phone that had a demo rom (shop phones ) and after flashing a new rom al was working normal .
I'm sure we'll all be totally fine. The bootloader will stay intact, so even if you screw up the normal update. You could always flash the old rom on top with the bootloader still intact.
The only way your idea would work is if the bootloader itself got messed up in the process.
And in 6.5 you couldn't update your HTC Diamond 2 with the normal Diamond, or HD2 firmware. There are checks at the beginning to make sure this is for this exact phone. And in some cases, the checks even implemented being locked down to the region. We only were able to put whatever ROM we wanted to put on our phones when we totally took off that protection. And even then I believe you wouldn't have been able to put a ROM that wasn't meant for the phone on there.
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we can revert back by flashing a new stock rom ( look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=783 all the roms there can be used )
there are a lot of people who did that with a phone that had a demo rom (shop phones ) and after flashing a new rom al was working normal .
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Uh did not see that. Good then.
February have only 2 days left but we still dont have wp 10 for our phone its sad....
htcflyerhc said:
February have only 2 days left but we still dont have wp 10 for our phone its sad....
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In first wave only few windowsphones will get win 10 tehnical preview. You can see list of supported devices here: List of devices will be increased with every new updates.
Also, I used HTC 8s and i'm really not sure if that device will get the win 10, just because HTC made it. HTC threat his costumers really bad. Wait some times when Microsoft release more updates for technical preview and maybe one day 8s will be on the list.
Remember when HTC didn't release the "OEM Drivers" and we couldn't get the 8.1 Update 1, Cortana, etc? Now we all have the Win8.1U1 or 8.1GDR1 whatever you want to call it. You just have to wait until MS finds a way around those OEM drivers and send the preview world wide to every device.
For now the list of devices getting W10 is very small... and it's not worth yet... Wait at least 1-2 service packs to get the real deal.
For example, for W8.1U1 on my HTC 8s here are the ONLY problems I think they are quite important:
Camera quality, the shoting seems laggy, the quality is bad. This was not a problem in W8 (stock) where the quality was good, even with pictures taken @ night with flash.
The market apps gives errors if set to install on SD card instead of overriding the setting (with a warning at least). Some of the apps, which are designed by the dev to be installed ONLY on internal memory, if they are set to install on SD they will end up in an MS specific error code. If you lookup the code on Google you MIGHT find the solution, or you might not (for example, for PROShot, after an update we ended up having the error code, and it took us 2-3 days to find a solution).
IE Security flaw. IE remembers passwords? Yes, but passwords are hidden under "*". If you select the * and press the SEARCH button, the password will appear in the search field.
You can't edit the dialed number without deleting the whole number.
That's it. Those are the bugs that needs fixing. But leaving those aside, the 8s is running great, doing whatever I need, whenever I need!