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3500 power bank purchased!

I got strong feeling that there are no 3500 inside but needs better to check out the tests. Let me know if u got questions, or need photo or video.
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From a full charge of the bank, how much percent can it charge the phone battery to from empty?

Its still charging my phone. And i keep using it meanwhile. I started when phone battery was % 15 and it still run.
Right now battery is 35 and device has lost half of its power. I wrote in the evening final result.
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link to seller?

Err ebay forever. U can find out there in a sec. Just search for galaxy note 3500.
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generalife3 said:
Err ebay forever. U can find out there in a sec. Just search for galaxy note 3500.
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I picked this charger from Thailand for 1000 Thai Bhat just last weekend.
Can charge the note from 45-60% from 1%.
Feedback:-
Not heavy
Sits like an added cover
Charging takes close to 4-6hrs.(Will confirm after few uses)
Charging is mildly slower compared to USB charging from a laptop or your wall charger.
Great for travelling and can fit into your pocket along with the Note.

I confirm everything. Can add that it charged my note from 50 to 100 as well.
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The similar power packs I've seen for other phones name them so that the power is the total mAh you have with it attached.
ie. The Note has a 2500mAh internal battery, this pack has a 1000 mAh capacity, so in total your phone now has 3500 mAh of power.
Maybe this one is different, but judging from the size I'd guess 1000 mAh is about right.
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Interesting idea. I will try to disassemble that item to find it out.
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Damn chinese there is really only 1000 mah inside.....
Dont buy that crap guyz....
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my experience with this similar gadgets from china 3000mah instead of charging it actually discharged my note. I can't believe! I disassemble it to find out the huge thin battery is something soft like piece of plaster! But i just couldn't figure out why is discharging my phone..but please don't risk your valuable phone with cheap batteries made in china.
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alanccs said:
my experience with this similar gadgets from china 3000mah instead of charging it actually discharged my note. I can't believe! I disassemble it to find out the huge thin battery is something soft like piece of plaster! But i just couldn't figure out why is discharging my phone..but please don't risk your valuable phone with cheap batteries made in china.
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Yeah, I dont either understand why people buy cheap crap batteries etc to their ~500€/$ phone. Like if you have the money to buy this phone you should have money to buy decent replacement batteries if you need them. But it is everyone's own decision if they want to risk burning their phone and in worst case scenario exploding the phone in their pockets. At least I wouldn't dare to risk my phone or my own health with cheap batteries. Peace!

tried a similar pack but with "4200mah". fully drains after recharging the note from 10% to 90% plus. and it takes forever to charge since input only allows 0.5A.

bangkay said:
tried a similar pack but with "4200mah". fully drains after recharging the note from 10% to 90% plus. and it takes forever to charge since input only allows 0.5A.
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Wow Thank you,
i was considering buying this 4200 power pack but i think i ll just get instead an extra 2700mah battery.

I have bought powerbank with 5600mAh it takes little longer when charging cause output just 1A :silly: but it can fully charged my note for two times

It does really 1000mah inside? And also for other brand with 3500? Because im thinking of buying either 3500 power bank or 5400 extended battery.

Chichitec 2500mah extended battery

What's up everybody, I just ordered these & hoping they'll do the job. I've ordered from them twice before (nexus one, evo 3d), the batteries in the past have held up pretty good but I don't think these have nfc :/ I ended up ordering these cuz' the qcell nfc enabled ones were sold out/unavailable so I didn't wanna' wait, plus I haven't seen a review on these yet so I said eh, I'll try em' out. If you guys are interested in purchasing some for yourselves I've included the link below, the only thing is that you have to pay using google checkout :/
http://www.htcexpress.com/samsung-b...-t-mobile-t999-att-i747-us-cellular-r530.html

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What's up everybody, I just ordered these & hoping they'll do the job. I've ordered from them twice before (nexus one, evo 3d), the batteries in the past have held up pretty good but I don't think these have nfc :/ I ended up ordering these cuz' the qcell nfc enabled ones were sold out/unavailable so I didn't wanna' wait, plus I haven't seen a review on these yet so I said eh, I'll try em' out. If you guys are interested in purchasing some for yourselves I've included the link below, the only thing is that you have to pay using google checkout :/
http://www.htcexpress.com/samsung-b...-t-mobile-t999-att-i747-us-cellular-r530.html
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Hope it offers that extra 19%. If so, I might get myself one too.

art0605 said:
Hope it offers that extra 19%. If so, I might get myself one too.
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Once I get them I'll update this post with info/screen shots about battery performance
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another 3.7v batter that will die very fast if you use your phone to charge, due to overcharging. as our stock batteries full charge voltage is 4.3 where as that one is 4.2v
unless somehow our phones can distinguish the battery difference,

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another 3.7v batter that will die very fast if you use your phone to charge, due to overcharging. as our stock batteries full charge voltage is 4.3 where as that one is 4.2v
unless somehow our phones can distinguish the battery difference,
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I always use the supplied wall charger that comes with these so Idk, lots of the extended battery reviews on here are the same voltage & they seem to be doing pretty good.

It's not the charger which matters but the phone itself which charges the battery, it's aiming for 4.3V as that's what it thinks it should have as the stock battery is designed for that. Although I haven't heard a single case of these 4.2V batteries having problems with being charged with 4.3V, that last part can be changed in the kernel and the charger chip driver. I'm getting some knock-off cheap battery myself so I'll see how it goes. This particular one seems quite steep in price @ $30, with proven ones like the PolarCell 2400mAh going out for half the cost.

you won't see the affect right away from overcharging. I use to play with a lot of batteries from RC, overcharging something we use to do get slight edge and boost at start. but it does have long term damage to batteries, specially lithium based. some cheaper batteries even catch fire.

Alright guys, got the batteries in the mail today, charging one & will report back later
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Alright guys, got the batteries in the mail today, charging one & will report back later
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Whoop whoop!

And now we wait..
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Well here's a couple quick pics, batteries seem to be doing pretty good, this is with some moderate use. I'll continue to drain them & recharge so I can calibrate em'
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devilchrist said:
another 3.7v batter that will die very fast if you use your phone to charge, due to overcharging. as our stock batteries full charge voltage is 4.3 where as that one is 4.2v
unless somehow our phones can distinguish the battery difference,
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Li-ion batteries have an overcharge protection circuit built into the battery pack itself and should prevent this from happening. If everything is working as intended, it should be impossible for the phone to overcharge a battery. That's not to say the protection circuit couldn't fail itself.
And I too played with RC batteries and you really can't compare those batteries with these. Different types of battery with different methods of charging.

It just keeps getting better & better
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Can you post the screen on time?
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I couldn't wait for more info on this battery, so I picked up two on amazon.com for a little bit less.

how's the thickness/back plate?
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tkbredx said:
how's the thickness/back plate?
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Based off of Amazon, these batteries are the same size as the stock battery.
From Amazon's Description: "Standard Size Do not need to change bulky back cover, increase battery life"

DOG666 said:
It just keeps getting better & better
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Any updates regarding your experience with these batteries? I used to own this brand for my HTC Sensation and was very pleased with it. Almost had about 400+ recharge cycles before the battery started to wear out. Looking forward on your feedback!

manoei said:
Any updates regarding your experience with these batteries? I used to own this brand for my HTC Sensation and was very pleased with it. Almost had about 400+ recharge cycles before the battery started to wear out. Looking forward on your feedback!
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damn- not deliverable to my area thru Amazon

Am tempted by the 3000Mah battery by E-Cell....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GOLD-3000...ultDomain_3&hash=item3f1b24bf0b#ht_2324wt_962
Purchased a 2100mah previously to replace the 1450mah that was in my Sony Xperia Play.... Definately added a few more hours of play to it..... Hmmmm....

Zerolemon 7000mah battery safety question for gurus

As well as being an avid android user, I have been flying electric RC planes for years.
I have seen very expensive (not made in China) lipo batteries of 2200 mah explode
or create a long flash fire. I would like to ask some of the gurus on this forum what
their thoughts on the safety of the Zerolemon 7000mah battery. I recently received it,
and love the long life and even the size (but not weight) of my GS3 now. I am quite
concerned that the battery is basically 3 regular batteries slapped together in China.
I know enough about lipo batteries that a dropped battery, a battery left in the car, sun,
or hot pocket, or even just an old battery can spontaneously combust. I would have
felt much better if it was actually one battery, but since it is 3 ran together in series,
even if one is faulty or shorts, it will set up an instant fire bomb. From what I have
seen with my RC batteries, you would be severly injured if the phone was on the desk
by you or charging, and if it was in your pocket you would surely be killed or permanantly
injured and disfigured. I don't want to sound like an alarmist, but my vast experience
with lipo batteries has taught me to be very cautious, even storing the large ones.
Every once in a while you will see or hear of an iphone or android phone blow up, and
luckily they were on the passengers car seat or a picnic table, but even with a 2100 mah
battery the damage is devastating. Any serious comments or discussion of this safety
issue would be appreciated.

Frightened me half to death
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Yep, now I'm nervous
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Think I'm about to take this battery out now. Lol.
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Send it to me Maurr. I'll hold on to it for you.
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There are tons of them spontaneously bursting into flames. Just Google it, tons and tons of threads made every day to. They narrowed down the fires last summer in Australia to be caused by one last year.
With that being said I'll take yours from you if you don't want it. Oh and all other batteries you own since they all pose the same risk.

I am pretty certain they are run in parallel, and with built in charging circuits I think they are just as safe or dangerous as any other after market battery. I have flown my brushless lipo E-Stater for years and even shorted one of the batteries (only for a few seconds), it swelled but never spontaneously conbusted. My RC boat is lipo too and no probs there, nor with either is my Cox foamies.
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Thanks for a sensible reply. And I spoke to an engineer friend and he said they were run in parallel, he said in the rare event one ignites in your pocket you are just as screwed with one than with three. I kind of disagree since setting off 3 2100mah firebombs in your pocket would certainly do more damage than setting off one 2100mah, and the Zerolemon is just 3 2100mah batteries slapped together in parallel, and if one goes off they all do, chain reaction.
My friend has also been flying RC for 30 years and last week was his first lipo fire. We both have had many puffed batteries,
but he was flying a new Parkzone Corsair and it just burst into flames and smoke mid air. He had a very expensive but old
battery in it, but Parkzone is sending him all replacement parts for free, so I suspect they know they had a bad ESC in a
batch of them. Then again it could have just been that old battery, we will never know.

My thought process is this. That rc is using the battery at a much faster rate than the phone. So I think most regular use discharge explosions are flukes. Maybe 15 phones blow up a year but how many phones are being used every day. It's pretty simple; If your phone starts getting extremely hot, take the battery out and let it cool off, don't keep your phone in direct sunlight, and always be mindful of your phone's temperature even in your pocket. As far as explosions while charging always make sure you're using a compatible adapter with the correct voltage and use your phone as little as possible.
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Yes the RC does use the battery at a far faster rate, but they are designed for that.
RC batteries and Cell Phones are both dropped all the time, cell phones much more.
This dropping can damage, vibrate, or short the battery and even if not first apparent,
this damaged battery can combust right away or later after more wear. That is what
I am concerned about. The zerolemon is 3 batteries packed together, and heavy, when
you drop your GS3 the battery is the whole back and takes all the damage (unless
dropped on the glass facing). The standard battery is embedded in the phone and is
therefore protected from drops.

hotstocks said:
As well as being an avid android user, I have been flying electric RC planes for years.
I have seen very expensive (not made in China) lipo batteries of 2200 mah explode
or create a long flash fire. I would like to ask some of the gurus on this forum what
their thoughts on the safety of the Zerolemon 7000mah battery. I recently received it,
and love the long life and even the size (but not weight) of my GS3 now. I am quite
concerned that the battery is basically 3 regular batteries slapped together in China.
I know enough about lipo batteries that a dropped battery, a battery left in the car, sun,
or hot pocket, or even just an old battery can spontaneously combust. I would have
felt much better if it was actually one battery, but since it is 3 ran together in series,
even if one is faulty or shorts, it will set up an instant fire bomb. From what I have
seen with my RC batteries, you would be severly injured if the phone was on the desk
by you or charging, and if it was in your pocket you would surely be killed or permanantly
injured and disfigured. I don't want to sound like an alarmist, but my vast experience
with lipo batteries has taught me to be very cautious, even storing the large ones.
Every once in a while you will see or hear of an iphone or android phone blow up, and
luckily they were on the passengers car seat or a picnic table, but even with a 2100 mah
battery the damage is devastating. Any serious comments or discussion of this safety
issue would be appreciated.
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There is the possibility of ANY battery exploding. First of lets get the terms correct. Per an E-Mail from ZeroLemon the batteries are not Lithium polymer (lipo) they are Lithium Ion. They do have the built in circuits to prevent overcharging and to regulate the charge going in. Now a Phone does not get the abuse that a RC Car gets. The Phone is not charged as fast as the battery for an RC Car. When it come to the 2 RC Car or Phone, Apples and Oranges. I don't see it being a problem.

GTWalling said:
There is the possibility of ANY battery exploding. First of lets get the terms correct. Per an E-Mail from ZeroLemon the batteries are not Lithium polymer (lipo) they are Lithium Ion. They do have the built in circuits to prevent overcharging and to regulate the charge going in. Now a Phone does not get the abuse that a RC Car gets. The Phone is not charged as fast as the battery for an RC Car. When it come to the 2 RC Car or Phone, Apples and Oranges. I don't see it being a problem.
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I am talking about RC airplanes that do not get any abuse (unless crashed and you throw it away), not RC cars.
Cell phones are dropped all the time.
This dropping can damage, vibrate, or short the battery and even if not first apparent,
this damaged battery can combust right away or later after more wear. That is what
I am concerned about. The zerolemon is 3 batteries packed together, and heavy, when
you drop your GS3 the battery is the whole back and takes all the damage (unless
dropped on the glass facing). The standard battery is embedded in the phone and is
therefore protected from drops.

All batteries will always be at risk to explode. That being said the chances of your phone exploding and seriously injuring or killing you is probably lower than you getting hit by lightening so, you can live in fear or take your very good chances.
If this has scared anyone away from using their battery I'd be more than willing to buy it from you.
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Battery mod lol

ok guys you can laugh as much as you want but i did it lol . i used to have the nexus that google used to sell which was a great phone i had 2 backup batteries for the phone . i was looking at my note two and note 3 and was looking at the difference in battery in each one and found a way to run the nexus battery on the note 2 and the note 3 lol it looks ghetto but works and i never have to run to charger. look at the pics
you can see the size difference in the battery size is major but the battery for the nexus does last pretty damn good for some reason. on the nexus battery on the side where the metal connections are i shaved off the tabs on that side look at pics lol

R.I.P batteries or Note 3. :| Lol.

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R.I.P batteries or Note 3. :| Lol.
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Well the battery from the nexus was just sitting in my desk not being used being that ibsold the nexus . So I was like wait will this work in my note 2 and 3 it did. Very little mods needed yo be done other then shaving a peace of wood or plastic to hold the battery in place and shaving the tabs on one side off so it would sit flush against the pins .
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What capacity is the spare battery
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Its a 1750mAh
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MERK77 said:
Its a 1750mAh
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Half the capacity and an older battery lasting longer ..........
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Its def lasting atleast half the day and I was suprised when it did .
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I commend you for the idea here but I think we would like to see a screenshot of the battery usage stats.
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Half the capacity and an older battery lasting longer ..........
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Sure do you recommend a program to mesure how the battery performs.
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Ghetto fabulous.
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I modified mine to run off of 3 AAA duracell batteries. Back cover bulges out though... maybe ill try this instead
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It might run okay for now, but in the end you'll blow up the battery and make the phone unstable. The GN3 battery is 3.8V while the GNex battery is 3.7V. Yes, that 0.1V makes a difference - the phone will charge the GNex battery with a too high voltage which can cause it to overheat and swell. The phone running off 3.7V will be underpowered and might or might not randomly crash.

This thread scares me....
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siraltus said:
It might run okay for now, but in the end you'll blow up the battery and make the phone unstable. The GN3 battery is 3.8V while the GNex battery is 3.7V. Yes, that 0.1V makes a difference - the phone will charge the GNex battery with a too high voltage which can cause it to overheat and swell. The phone running off 3.7V will be underpowered and might or might not randomly crash.
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It's not that big of a deal. Lithium batteries have an upper limit of 4.2 Volts which is why if you use a general purpose charger such as those used for charging RC packs you can charge Li-Ion and Li-Po batteries both on the same setting. Either way it charges them up to 4.2V and then cuts off. Once a load is applied, the battery drops to its nominal voltage - 3.7 or 3.8V and remains at that level for most of its life before rapidly dropping off when it gets low. When this happens cut-off circuitry kicks in around 3.2V or so to prevent the battery from discharging too much which will permanently damage it. Since the battery can't be safely charged above 4.2 or let drop below 3.2 or so, all the charging and discharging is managed by a chip designed for that purpose. Also, it means that you can't overcharge your battery by leaving your phone plugged in 24/7 as the charging chip will stop charging when it reaches that upper limit.

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It's not that big of a deal. Lithium batteries have an upper limit of 4.2 Volts which is why if you use a general purpose charger such as those used for charging RC packs you can charge Li-Ion and Li-Po batteries both on the same setting. Either way it charges them up to 4.2V and then cuts off.
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Lithium ion batteries with a nominal 3.7 voltage should be charged to 4.20 V or so.
Lithium ion batteries with a nominal 3.8 voltage are typically charged to 4.30 or 4.35 V. It's a new type of lithium ion battery with different chemistry, and hence the different voltages. If you take a battery meant to be charged to 4.20 V and repeatedly charge it to 4.35 V, its cycle life will be significantly reduced. 0.1 V difference will reduce the cycle life by something on the order of 50%. Here is a reference: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Apple, Samsung, and Motorola seem to be using this new type of battery, and the phones are charging them to 4.30 or 4.35 V. I'm not sure how widespread the technology is or if it has trickled into aftermarket battery offerings.

I commend you for your work and glad your getting more battery life with this mod but I'm sure most of us are fine with the life of the phone stock gives us without any modifications or just wait til zero lemon releases their behemoth 10k mah battery with zero shock case to protect the phone.
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awesome. this means i will probably be able to stick 4pin samsung batteries in my note2. must be sure the 3 pins on the note2 correctly connect pos and neg with the plates on the 4-pin batteries. in a few years the note2 replacement batteries on ebay will have shorter lifespan due to storage in the warehouse. instead i may purchase a battery for a then current model (such as galaxy s6 battery) and stick that that in my note2.

Lithium ion batteries with a nominal 3.7 voltage should be charged to 4.20 V or so.
Lithium ion batteries with a nominal 3.8 voltage are typically charged to 4.30 or 4.35 V. It's a new type of lithium ion battery with different chemistry, and hence the different voltages. If you take a battery meant to be charged to 4.20 V and repeatedly charge it to 4.35 V, its cycle life will be significantly reduced. 0.1 V difference will reduce the cycle life by something on the order of 50%. Here is a reference: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Apple, Samsung, and Motorola seem to be using this new type of battery, and the phones are charging them to 4.30 or 4.35 V. I'm not sure how widespread the technology is or if it has trickled into aftermarket battery offerings.
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But with this new 'smart battery' and 'smart charger' system it seems very likely that the battery's capabilities are read by the charger so that the charger will not cause damage. It might be that the charger will adjust the charging protocol if it can support the battery's needs, or perhaps refuse to charge an unsupported battery. I think if he measures the charging voltage he might find that it is different for the two batteries.
Frank

Thanks to this, I will have more battery life. Cheers! Just kidding!

Thanks
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[Q] Battery killed by leaving the phone plugged in

I have upgraded from Note 1 to Note 2 and now Note 3. I have re-purposed my Note 1 and Note 2 as remotes and such in different rooms in the house. Since they are now fixtures in the house, I leave them plugged in all the time. I have now killed the battery in both the Note 1 and the Note 2 (battery will no longer charge). Is there any way to leave these devices plugged in all the time without killing the battery? I have already replaced the battery in the Note 2 and indeed it charges fine now, but I don't want to have to replace it again in a couple months.

Your battery usage is not consistent with the intended design of the battery system..
It is quite obvious that your batteries will suffer under a constant charging state..
Don't be to surprised ...g
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Also, check to see if the batter kind of inflated... I've had this happen to me before on a lot of different things from cell phones to Harmony remote controls... leaving them charging over a week killed all my batteries in that fashion. So yeah... no surprise.

Lithium ion transistors generally expand to 3 times their size during the charge state...and if left in that state for an extended period of time ...the silicon shell surrounding the transistor will crack...and the battery will fail prematurely ...
This effect occurs anyway ...and a typical cell phone battery (lithium ion)...is only rated for 500 charge/discharge cycles on average ...so you can clearly see the dilemma...
So for those who don't allow the battery to drop down to around 10%...but instead leave the battery charging or like to top charge...then the silicon coating of the transistors can never relax...and the battery dies very quickly .....
Testing is being conducted using a silicon substitute that employs a polymeric coating allowing rapid expansion and contraction of the ion transistor...and once the technology is refined ...should allow the ion battery life (overall life cycle...not discharge rate)....to be extended exponentially....
Stay tuned to a battery maker near you....g
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Yeah, there's some pretty exciting research being done with battery materials. Just today I saw two articles on ScienceDaily about battery material research (stupid, can't post links yet *sigh* )
But that's sort-of off topic... As the others have already said, Li-ion batteries last longest if you allow a partial discharge (say, at least to 75%, but there's nothing wrong with letting the battery drop even well below 50%) before recharging, and remove it from the charger as soon as it hits 100%.

http://www.sammobile.com/2013/11/20/original-galaxy-note-batteries-also-swelling-up/
Hmmm Interesting...

[email protected] said:
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/11/20/original-galaxy-note-batteries-also-swelling-up/
Hmmm Interesting...
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Very....
It leads directly back to the expansion of the silicon substrate..
Once the transistors expand and fracture the silicon ...it cannot return to it's original size...I.E.....swollen batteries...and indeed an end of life event...
Polymer substrates surrounding ion transistors using a direct bonding method of the substrate would eliminate this problem ...and allow batteries to last for many years..
But I'll bet they won't be cheap...as it would eliminate large volumes of original battery sales....IMHO
I'm tired of paying top dollar for obsolete technology in the form of batteries...
The world deserves better...
Many thanks for the excellent article...g
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GranoblasticMan said:
Yeah, there's some pretty exciting research being done with battery materials. Just today I saw two articles on ScienceDaily about battery material research (stupid, can't post links yet *sigh* )
But that's sort-of off topic... As the others have already said, Li-ion batteries last longest if you allow a partial discharge (say, at least to 75%, but there's nothing wrong with letting the battery drop even well below 50%) before recharging, and remove it from the charger as soon as it hits 100%.
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......^^^^^^^^^......
Perfect explanation of the correct charging/discharging schedule...
I'm guilty as well in violating the proper method you describe..
I am a top charge junkie ..and will catch myself plugging in every time I'm able to squeeze a few %...more battery before I leave again..
And the ironic part is...I use a zero lemon battery rated at 10,000 mah....LOL
And there can be no question than I'm killing my battery prematurely....
To the OP...
No effective solution exists...however..if you could employ a timer on your chargers that plugs into the wall...that would allow the batteries time to discharge...
Then your timer could kick on ...say every 10-12 hours and allow your batteries to cycle properly..???
A bit of testing to determine your discharge rate would tell you the needed settings for the timers plugged into the wall...
I'm sure a basic timer could be purchased for $20-30 dollars at a big box store ...and your problem would be solved....g
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gregsarg said:
Very....
It leads directly back to the expansion of the silicon substrate..
Once the transistors expand and fracture the silicon ...it cannot return to it's original size...I.E.....swollen batteries...and indeed an end of life event...
Polymer substrates surrounding ion transistors using a direct bonding method of the substrate would eliminate this problem ...and allow batteries to last for many years..
But I'll bet they won't be cheap...as it would eliminate large volumes of original battery sales....IMHO
I'm tired of paying top dollar for obsolete technology in the form of batteries...
The world deserves better...
Many thanks for the excellent article...g
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Perfect explanation of the correct charging/discharging schedule...
I'm guilty as well in violating the proper method you describe..
I am a top charge junkie ..and will catch myself plugging in every time I'm able to squeeze a few %...more battery before I leave again..
And the ironic part is...I use a zero lemon battery rated at 10,000 mah....LOL
And there can be no question than I'm killing my battery prematurely....
To the OP...
No effective solution exists...however..if you could employ a timer on your chargers that plugs into the wall...that would allow the batteries time to discharge...
Then your timer could kick on ...say every 10-12 hours and allow your batteries to cycle properly..???
A bit of testing to determine your discharge rate would tell you the needed settings for the timers plugged into the wall...
I'm sure a basic timer could be purchased for $20-30 dollars at a big box store ...and your problem would be solved....g
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Many thanks for the very knowledgeable and hella informative explanation!

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Many thanks for the very knowledgeable and hella informative explanation!
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thanks