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I just want to know the difference
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There is no difference. If you unlock bootloader you can gain root.
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SanderTheNinja said:
There is no difference. If you unlock bootloader you can gain root.
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Of course there is a difference. Rooting lets you have complete admin rights on your phone, eg access to write files to the system partition for example or delete all the files. Or uninstall system apps.
Unlocking lets you flash an entire new rom or a custom recovery.
OP - There is plenty of info elsewhere, don't be lazy, just do some reading
with an unlocked bootloader, then you are able to root your phone and install custom roms and overclock and root stuff.
an unlocked bootloader is something you must do before having full access to your phone
scott_doyland said:
Of course there is a difference. Rooting lets you have complete admin rights on your phone, eg access to write files to the system partition for example or delete all the files. Or uninstall system apps.
Unlocking lets you flash an entire new rom or a custom recovery.
OP - There is plenty of info elsewhere, don't be lazy, just do some reading
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I mean, you can only get root if you unlock your bootloader.
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Root
Rooting a device is a method to gain full access to the operating system. With root you can do all the administrative stuff, write to locations normally restricted to the system and customize your device deeper.
Root enhances your privileges and you are able to change almost anything inside of your rom.
The rooting, however, affects ONLY your operating system (Android)
Unlocked Bootloader
In most devices, the Bootloader is the instance that calls the operating system (Android) and manages direct access to the device's partitions. Having an unlocked bootloader enables you to flash custom roms, custom kernels, recoveries and so on.
Bootloader and Rooting Teamplay
Often it is the case, and so, too in our devices, that a locked bootloader also locks write access to several partitions like the system partition. This is the reason why rooting is not able without unlocked bootloader. Rooting needs write access to the system partition (for storing the superuser binary and the superuser app)
Without unlocked bootloader, only a temporary half-root can be achieved.
Thanks alot guys
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How to unlock bootloader ,but the way that I can lock it again
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How to unlock bootloader ,but the way that I can lock it again
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Do some research. There are hundreds of posts on this topic.
scott_doyland said:
Of course there is a difference. Rooting lets you have complete admin rights on your phone, eg access to write files to the system partition for example or delete all the files. Or uninstall system apps.
Unlocking lets you flash an entire new rom or a custom recovery.
OP - There is plenty of info elsewhere, don't be lazy, just do some reading
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19 months after the question was asked, i just happened to be wanting to answer the same question for myself, so I searched and found this thread...
I am happy he asked the question, as it was the first answer I saw in google search... so maybe he could also have done a search 19 months ago, but his question was useful to me, and your response seemed rude and unnecessary. You never know who may benefit from a little generosity.
Mark.
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Do some research. There are hundreds of posts on this topic.
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I know that you're not rude (even though you sounded so). You replied what was correct and appropriate.
But my research for the question in question (pun unintended) on google pointed me straight to this very thread.
So, it would be greater if someone had posted some more good links besides their rude looking remark (again, not rude, but just looking so).
theq86 said:
Root
Rooting a device is a method to gain full access to the operating system. With root you can do all the administrative stuff, write to locations normally restricted to the system and customize your device deeper.
Root enhances your privileges and you are able to change almost anything inside of your rom.
The rooting, however, affects ONLY your operating system (Android)
Unlocked Bootloader
In most devices, the Bootloader is the instance that calls the operating system (Android) and manages direct access to the device's partitions. Having an unlocked bootloader enables you to flash custom roms, custom kernels, recoveries and so on.
Bootloader and Rooting Teamplay
Often it is the case, and so, too in our devices, that a locked bootloader also locks write access to several partitions like the system partition. This is the reason why rooting is not able without unlocked bootloader. Rooting needs write access to the system partition (for storing the superuser binary and the superuser app)
Without unlocked bootloader, only a temporary half-root can be achieved.
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Thanks for this useful info
I agree. It is the autumn of 2014, and I've been reading webpages until my eyes are bleary. This is the 1st thread that actually explains how the two concepts relate rather than descending into buttonology. I think the OP's question hits the nail on the head (well, one of them at least) and he doesn't need to be treated in a demeaning manner.
Wow, 1 year after last post, I thanked he asked this question! Was thinking as same as u, loll
fredphoesh said:
19 months after the question was asked, i just happened to be wanting to answer the same question for myself, so I searched and found this thread...
I am happy he asked the question, as it was the first answer I saw in google search... so maybe he could also have done a search 19 months ago, but his question was useful to me, and your response seemed rude and unnecessary. You never know who may benefit from a little generosity.
Mark.
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Root vs bootloader
If i have an unlocked bootloader can i install apps that require root. Will they still work even though im not rooted?
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If i have an unlocked bootloader can i install apps that require root. Will they still work even though im not rooted?
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I'm not an expert, but here's my understanding from months of reading up on this: Unlocking the bootloader lets you install a program known as Recovery, which is another program that lets you install operating systems, e.g., stock Android, CyanogenMod. Whether you have root or not is determined by settings made after the operating system is installed. So unlocking a bootloader is different from root. You can have either one without the other. However, I am also left with the impression that software that helps you unlock the bootloader also give you root (and perhaps vice-versa). This dual functionality is designed into the software, but they are separate things which don't have to both happen.
I just reviewed my answer and realized that it doesn't really address the quoted question very directly. Unfortunately, there is no "delete" function. So hopefully, it helps a bit. As further info, I unlocked bootloader, changed the Recovery, and replaced the native Android OS from Koodo with CyanogenMode. However, I did not root. Hopefully, someone else can chime in with further experience.
I've been wondering about this for years, as well. I don't feel confident doing things to my phone that I don't understand. I'm sure I'll never have a thorough understanding, as I'm not a programmer, but even a rough one would suffice. This is the same reason why I will only attempt certain operations on my car -- if I muck it up, I'm boned.
I rooted my phone (or maybe unlocked the bootloader?) a couple years ago, and never got around to doing anything else with it, because I couldn't figure out how to "do a recovery" (still don't know what that means, exactly). Or maybe I unlocked the bootloader, and never rooted it? I'm still confused. I see LOADS of folks who throw the terms around, whom I suspect, actually have no clue. I have a Verizon S4 MDK 4.2.2, and I just now finished the process -_- Better late than never? Now, I'm trying to decide if it's worth the headache, and possible risk, of installing custom ROMs, etc. Also, I know my phone is "SO old!!' and blah-blah-blah. At least if I screw things up now, I can get a new phone with a new contract, etc.
I really wish Verizon weren't such dirtbags about the locked bootloader thing.
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Heee is full difference between rooting and unlocking bootloader
Rooting - Administrative access to the entire file system including the ability to change system files such as installing system-wide ad-blocker by modifying the host file on your device, or uninstalling system apps, such as bloatware that comes pre-installed on your device. Without root, one can only see files in root directory instead of editing them. Some alps and mods only work with root.
Unlocking bootloader- To understand this term, one need to know the meaning of bootloader first. In simple terms, bootloader is like a person which checks many functions at the time of boot. It's on of the most important part and boots the first. Unlocking bootloader means asking that person to give us rights to do some modifications in our device like flashing custom recovery, rom etc.
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How to unlock bootloader ,but the way that I can lock it again
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not wanting to wait for a software exploit that may never come,user Sonic2756 has stepped up and purchased an htc service card,or java card,to provide the vzw one community with a "right now!" s off option. make sure yuo thank him in this thread: Purchased a JavaCard for S_OFF
this method uses an official htc java card to turn off the phones security data. the card exists as a legitimate tool for cell phone shops and re-sellers,primarily for the purpose of removing the phones simlock.
since this method of s off is somewhat unusual,this thread is intended to help support folks that are unsure of the differences and similarities.
first and foremost,these are my words,sonic has not helped with these posts,tho i hope he will let me know if theres anything he wants changed. if any info you see here and use melts your phone into a little pile of aluminum goo,its not sonics fault,nor is it mine. use this info at your own risk.
in this first post,i thot a few FAQs needed to be put in one place,as they are being asked over and over again in the thread.
Frequently Asked Questions
Q: what is s off?what does it do for me?
A: in a nutshell,s-off=security off. it removes all security checks and allows access to all partitions of the phone this means you can:
-change hboot
-change splash inage
-change radios
-flash unsigned files
-go backwards in firmware versions
-other things that maybe ill add later
Q: is this legit??
A:yes,it is. as mentioned above,the java card is a legitimate tool used by some large cell phone repair shops and re-sellers.
Q: how does this work?
A:the java card is plugged into a USB On The Go cable,and plugged into the phone. the java card contains htc-signed diagnostic files wich are used to clear security data. when the phone is booted to hboot with the java card plugged in,it finds the diagnostic file and jumps to a mode where the user can clear "s58" data. this removes any simlock,changes the CID to a generic "supercid",and most importantly,turns off the phones radio secure flag. hooray!
this not sonic,nor is this an htc one. it is a one X using the same method,it will give you a good idea what the process looks like:
HTC One X S-OFF
Q: what exactly is a java card?
A: simply,a java card is an sd card with a microprocessor in it. if someone wishes to provide a more detailed definition,id be happy to put it here. a bit more info here
Q: can we clone the java card so everyone can have s off?
A: yes. but its complicated,and the card to begin with is expensive. there have been some technical discussions about this in sonic's original thread. the simple answer is that it is not easy,or practical to clone the java card.
Q: why do i have to pay for this?? shouldnt s off be free?
A: if you have a prollem paying for this service,you are welcome to purchase your own java card and offer the service for free. as has been stated,the java card is expensive- upwards of $1000 depending how may credits are included.
further,even if a software exploit was available,it is good custom to donate to the devs who brought you the tool. remember,no one here owes you custom roms,s-off,etc. support your devs and what they bring you. in this case,sonic has purchased an expensive htc tool,shipping supplies,and has to invest a great deal of time getting your phone s-offed,packed up,and hauled back to the post office. not to mention the website he has set up for the service. there is nothing wrong with making his $$ back,and a bit extra for his time and efforts.
Q: is the card good forever?
A: NO! the java card has a limited number of uses. he has stated he can sell about 250 s off services,and do 10 developer phones for free. after those credist are gone,you are SOL unless a new exploit is found,or there is enuff interest for sonic to buy a second card.
Q: how do i know how many credits are left?
A:Sonic's website shows the number of avaiable spots left, right above the quantity select/add to cart,in the "product description". simply go to the website,then click the htc one picture.
Q: if im allready unlocked,should i still get s off?
A: in my opinion,yes. s off is better. it allows more options to recover soft-bricked devices,and allows access to all partitions. an s on phone is still doing plenty of security checks. it also allows a permantly installed recovery to install the boot image. the downside is that your phone WILL let you brick it if your not careful. know what your flashing and why. double check md5 sums to verify the integrity of your downloads. a corrupt bootloader ot radio can damage your phone,potentially unrecoverably. if you just asked "what is an md5sum?" stop and google it now. there are numerous md5summers avaialable for free on the vast interweb,download one and start using it.
Q: if im allready unlocked and running a custom rom and recovery,do i need to take any precautions?
A: yes. the diag file is designed to work on stock software and firmware. i would strongly recomend to:
-restore a bone stock nandroid,or flash a bone stock rom
-reflash your stock recovery
-reflash your stock boot image if you were running a custom kernel
-select 'factory reset' option from hboot
Q: will this wipe my phone?
A: yes it will. so back up your sd card to the pc,and be prepaired to have to re-set everything up when you get it back.
Q: does my phone need to be active?
A: no it does not.
Q: do you need my sim card?
A: no he does not.
Q: what is the turn around time?
A: again,these are my words. from the thread,5-7 days. please remember sonic has real life activities to attend to,so you may want to wait until the initial wave has subsided. if he has alot of phones to do,it may take him longer.
Q: im a tight ass,can i use cheaper shipping?
A: yes,you can. the initial shipping is picked and paid for by you. be as tight as you want. the return shipping is priority mail with $600 worth of isurance. if you have such faith in the united states post office,and humanity that you do not feel this is needed,then you can chose the cheaper return shipping option sonic has provided.
Q: how do i activate a spare phone while mine is away?
A:it depends on the phone. if you have another 4g vzw phone,you can simply swap over your active sim. if the sim is larger in the spare phone,adapters do exist for extremely cheap on ebay and amazon. alternately,you can call vzw or go to their website to activate an older 3g device.
Q: how do i activate my phone when it comes back?
A: like you normally would. s off by itself does not change anything about the phone or how it oporates. its what you do afterward/modify that can have an impact on "normal" operation. so if you moved your sim into another phone,just move it back. if you mailed your phone directly to sonic with the protective film still on it,then take everything out of the box and activate just like you would if it had just come from vzw.
Q: will i be able to unlock the bootloader if my phone is s off?
A: yes. when the phone comes back,it will have "supercid". this ignores the mid(model id) check that htcdev does on the phone,and will let you get a token and unlock.
Q: are there advantages to unlocking the bootloader?
A: you have a couple extra fastboot commands you can use:
fastboot flash partition imagename.img
and
fastboot boot imagename.img
these commands are useful to install recovery,and boot images into phone memory. with fastboot bootfor example,you can temporarily launch recovery on the phone to flash su if you dont want to permantly install it.
Q: so do i NEED to unlock the bootloader to install recovery?
A: no,you do not. you can install recoveries and all other partitions as zip files. more info on that later.
Q: does superCID give you any benefits?
A: in a word,no. on a gsm device where you have multiple carrier and regional firmwares that will work,supercid is of value. with a device on vzw,you can only use vzw ruus anyway since this is a unique cdma/lte device. further,accepting an OTA with supercid could leave you unrecoverably bricked,plus it may interfer some some verizon functions(i remember inc 4g users having issue,but the details escape me)
IMO,after unlocking your bootloader,if you choose to do so,you should change your CID back to stock VZW__001 (thats 2 underscores- cid is always 8 digits)
Q: is my cid unique to my particulare phone?
A: no,it is not. it is unique to a carrier or region. all verizon phones ever made have a cid of VZW__001
Q: how do i change my cid back to stock?
A: with this fastboot command:
fastboot oem writecid VZW__001
Q: why is my cid always present on the hboot screen?
A: i dont know htc's logic,but this is simply what the phone does while its s off. it will display whatever your cid is,and is not dependent of your bootloader being locked or unlocked.
Q: what about the TAMPERED and unlocked/relocked badges?
A: if your phone was unlocked when you sent it in, youll get it back factory fresh locked. the tampered badge,i am unsure of at this time,and will update as more info is obtained.
if you sent in a brand new phone,it obviously wont be different(with exception of s off)
one of the big advantages of s off,is that the tampered flag is not triggered by adding a custom recovery or kernel,and since s off removes the various write protections that exist,it is posible to reset either flag. more info on the lock status flag here
Q: will an OTA change my s-off or lock status?
A: it is possible. altho,it is highly unlikely since turning the radio secure flags on via an OTA would also do so on legitimate pre-release test phones.
however...
it really is not reccomended that you try and take an OTA while rooted. a custom recovery is unable to install HTC's OTA pacakage,and attempting to do so ca jam you up horribly. taking an OTA with bloat and system files remove will typicaly result in failure,and taking an OTA with supercid could lead to a processor "do not boot" mode,wich is very effectively a hard brick only recoverable via jtag. or a new device.
the best way to update a rooted device is to update the rom with a recovery-flashable zip file,and the firmware extracted from the OTA package. this will update you just like taking the OTA. there is nothing magical about over the air updates. please,just do it manually. leave the OTAs for the stock crowd.
last and not least!
Q: im convinced! what do i do once i get back my stock,s-off phone?
A: please see post 2
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the above was just off the top of my head,ill add to them later as they come to me,feel free to post if you have further questions,costructuve criticism,or feedback.
once you have recieved your stock,s off device back,your basic steps are:
1)change CID back to stock verizon
2)install a recovery
3)install a rom or root access
you have 2 options to install recovery:
1)unlock the bootloader and use fastboot commands
2)leave the bootloader locked,and flash a recovery as a zip file in RUU mode
either way works. i personally always keep my bootloader unlocked so i can use fastboot commands,but we dont know for sure if the lock status flag can be reset,so the bootloader screen reads locked again.
its remotely possible that it may be difficult to reset the lock status flag,so if being locked for a possible warranty exchange is important to you,dont unlock just yet. relocked is the best you can do without some trickery.
to "root by recovery" is not a new concept. once there are no write protections,its easy to install a custom recovery,and use that recovery to either insert the superuser files into the stock rom,or replace the rom entirely.
1) change cid back to stock verizon
this is actually very easy. simply put the phone in fastboot,change to fastboot directory,and enter in a cmd window:
fastboot oem writecid VZW__001
yes,those must be capital letters,and there are 2 underscores.
2) install a recovery
via one of these 2 methods:
1)unlock the bootloader
your phone has come back from sonic with "supercid",wich will allow you to unlock the bootloader natuarally via the htcdev website. see this post for a bit more info on that.
unlocking the bootloader is fairly straightforward,just make sure you use a vzw one specific image. download from one of the following threads:
twrp
clockworkmod touch or classic
the image is easily installed via an unlocked bootloader with the following command:
fastboot flash recovery imagename.img
for example,recovery named CW_touch_recovery:
fastboot flash recovery CW_touch_recovery.img
the image must be in your fastboot working directory.
if you need more specific help with unlock/recovery flashing you can use this guide.
2) keep locked bootloader
the bootloader can stay locked for this method. you can in fact use this to install a new image to any partition,as long as the image is packed up in a proper file.
this assumes a working adb/fastboot and drivers installed. if you dont have these things,you can use this guide from above,downloading the files in post 1,and following the set up adb and prepair to root part in step 2.
once you have adb and fastboot working,download one of the following recovery zip files. do NOT unzip or extract.
twrp: http://www.mediafire.com/download/6gbk9s5y6angyf9/openrecovery-twrp-2.6.0.1-m7vzw.zip
CW touch: http://www.mediafire.com/download/43h8k47blfboci9/recovery-clockwork-touch-6.0.3.6-m7vzw.zip
CW classic: http://www.mediafire.com/download/w57cqx7cpmxbz44/recovery-clockwork-6.0.3.6-m7vzw.zip
your zip file is flashed in the following manner:
if youre working with a booted,operational phone,you can flsh the file in the following manner:
-open a cmd window
-change to adb/fastboot directory
cd c:\foldername
(cd c:\mini-adb if youve used any of my guides )
-place the zip file you want to flash into adb/fastboot directory
-enable usb debug,disable fastboot,plug in phone
-check for connectivity
adb devices (should return serial number)
-boot to fastboot
adb reboot bootloader
-check for connectivity again
fastboot devices
-flash the file
fastboot erase cache
fastboto oem rebootRUU (will put you in ruu mode,black screen silver htc letters)
fastboot flash zip zipfilename.zip (will send and flash the file. dont interupt it while the cmd window shows its writinging,and the green status bar is moving on the phone screen)
*sometimes a file will fail with a pre-update error. this is normal,just enter again:
fastboot flash zip zipfilename.zip
and this time it will finish
-when you get "finished" and "OK"
fastboot reboot-bootloader (takes you back to fastboot)
-reboot back to the OS
fastbooot reboot
you can use this if you dont have an operational phone as well. you just need to manually put the phone in fastboot(select from hboot menu) then skip the "adb" commands and start with fastboot devices
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3) install a rom or root access
this is a simple matter of using recovery to either flash superuser,or flash a new rom. in either case,MAKE A BACKUP OF YOUR STOCK UNROOTED ROM!
flash superuser just as you would a rom,after a cache/dalvik wipe. theres tons of info out there on using recovery,so im not going in to great detail on that here.
i dont have this device(well,i dont have the vzw version) so dont ask me whats the best rom to flash. browse the development and original development sections and pick a couple out to try.
if you wish to just run rooted stock,i perosnally prefer superSU to other versions of superuser. you can download it from this thread
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optional:
if you sent in your phone with a custom recovery installed,and it still is displaying the tampered banner,see this thread to remove it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46182709#post46182709
if you want to lock,or unlock your bootloader without messing with htcdev,see this thread for those directions: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470340
if you want to restore your supermid from PN073**** back to stock verizon,see this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2490777
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*work in progress. there will likely be some revisions,but i wanted to get something up for the folks whose devices are coming back
mine too!
thanks for this. Guess I need to order a sim adapter so I can mail my phone off.
nrfitchett4 said:
thanks for this. Guess I need to order a sim adapter so I can mail my phone off.
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your welcome. ill get some more added to it,how tos and such in the next day or 2. but for now im tired and 5am comes early,lol.
for what its worth,ive used sim adapters like these:
http://www.amazon.com/Micro-card-ad...=1378950374&sr=8-14&keywords=sim+card+adapter
and these:
http://www.amazon.com/eForCity-Micr...=1378950374&sr=8-13&keywords=sim+card+adapter
and personally found the ones with an open back to be a lil easier to use. i switch my sim around alot(to the point its wearing out and ill prolly need a new one soon )
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thank you!
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your welcome. ill get some more added to it,how tos and such in the next day or 2. but for now im tired and 5am comes early,lol.
for what its worth,ive used sim adapters like these:
http://www.amazon.com/Micro-card-ad...=1378950374&sr=8-14&keywords=sim+card+adapter
and these:
http://www.amazon.com/eForCity-Micr...=1378950374&sr=8-13&keywords=sim+card+adapter
and personally found the ones with an open back to be a lil easier to use. i switch my sim around alot(to the point its wearing out and ill prolly need a new one soon )
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yeah, just found one that has adapters for nano up to mini. Will be here friday. Will have to live with the rezound for a week.
Thanks so much for making this!
I'm working with Sonic on this (mainly setting up and maintaining the website), but I would like to offer some insight on the JavaCard:
A Javacard is a special type of microsd card (smart card, this is the same thing as those NFC wallets or whatever that use a smart cards) that contains a microprocessor. It also has a signed and encrypted java applet that is set up to run whatever the maker wants it to. In this case HTC set it up to communicate with the phone for diagnostic services. It is also capable of carrier unlocking the phone. Due to digital signatures (when this card is almost burned I'm planning on taking a look at it) the card only has a certain number of phones that can be s offed or unlocked (it works on a credit system - 2 credits s off 1 credit carrier unlock). Everything on the card is locked up like fort knox to my knowledge but we shall see!
We also currently have the diag files needed for several other phones and can S-off them too. Not sure of all of them atm but Sonic posted it in the other thread a few days ago.
Cheers!
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Question, If where s-offed then HTCdev unlock with super sid then change the sid to VZW but somehow get locked again I.e. OTA update, is it possible to unlock again or change the sid back to super sid to unlock?
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RebelShadow said:
Question, If where s-offed then HTCdev unlock with super sid then change the sid to VZW but somehow get locked again I.e. OTA update, is it possible to unlock again or change the sid back to super sid to unlock?
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+1 I had the same question.
And again, why would you take said OTA to begin with? It goes against every principle of rooting. If you root, you NEVER take OTA's.
If you get it, either post the ota zip or link and wait for someone to patch the base up with it. It doesn't make the update better if you take the one that downloads to your phone versus flashing an updated rom.
I don't know what it is about OTA's that makes people willing to jump through hoops just to take the "official" one.
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And again, why would you take said OTA to begin with? It goes against every principle of rooting.
If you get it, either post the ota zip or link and wait for someone to patch the base up with it. It doesn't make the update better if you take the one that downloads to your phone versus flashing an updated rom.
I don't know what it is about OTA's that makes people willing to jump through hoops just to take the "official" one.
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I can't speak for RebelShadow but I meant more along the lines of if we S-OFF and something happens - via VZW - that reestablishes S-ON.. can it be S-OFF'd again without the Java Card?
I mean I don't know if there is anything VZW could do to reestablish S-ON, and I've heard even if they could they wouldn't because they would mess with legitimate developers.
It's not that I want to take OTA's, I'd refuse them and wait for the community to provide it. It was more of a 'what happens if S-OFF is switched back to S-ON'?
If S-OFF ever gets toggled back to s-on, the game is over. You would need some updated exploit or another java card round.
It's like leaving your house with your keys inside. There's no way back in unless you find some back door.
So I originally had an unlocked bootloader with Twrp recovery and sent it to sonic for s-off. He did his java card magic and now I'm good. Mine has tampered now and just curious what is the best way, if possible right now, to get rid of it?
isoh said:
Thanks so much for making this!
I'm working with Sonic on this (mainly setting up and maintaining the website), but I would like to offer some insight on the JavaCard:
A Javacard is a special type of microsd card (smart card, this is the same thing as those NFC wallets or whatever that use a smart cards) that contains a microprocessor. It also has a signed and encrypted java applet that is set up to run whatever the maker wants it to. In this case HTC set it up to communicate with the phone for diagnostic services. It is also capable of carrier unlocking the phone. Due to digital signatures (when this card is almost burned I'm planning on taking a look at it) the card only has a certain number of phones that can be s offed or unlocked (it works on a credit system - 2 credits s off 1 credit carrier unlock). Everything on the card is locked up like fort knox to my knowledge but we shall see!
We also currently have the diag files needed for several other phones and can S-off them too. Not sure of all of them atm but Sonic posted it in the other thread a few days ago.
Cheers!
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your quite welcome! just my little part to help you guys out,this is a great service that is being offered. sonic has done my one x,but i was unsure the extent that he is willing to do other devices,i figure folks can contact him prior to purchasing the service if they wish for other models to be done. better way to say it,i was unsure how much he wanted to advertise the other models he had the diags for. if the vzw s-offs slow down,id be happy to add the list of phones to the OP,and replicate this in other forums. im sure the tegra 3 one x and x+ crowds would have some interest,those devices have been out a long time with no exploit for s off,and no real hope on the horizon.
my one x is one of my favorite all time devices. i use it at work,and use my one in the evenings. im actually considering seeking out a black one x to send him as well
thanks for the insight on the java card,ill add it,or a link to it,in the OP
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Question, If where s-offed then HTCdev unlock with super sid then change the sid to VZW but somehow get locked again I.e. OTA update, is it possible to unlock again or change the sid back to super sid to unlock?
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one4thewings said:
+1 I had the same question.
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an OTA is unlikely to change your lock status,or your radio secure flag. while it is technically possible,this would also break legitimate test devices functionality,so the chances of it are slim to none.
there is not much reason to relock your bootloader with s off. you can run an ruu with the phone unlocked. to directly answer your question,however,if you did relock the bootloader,you can easily change the cid back to 11111111 with the same comand and re-unlock
fastboot oem writecid xxxxxxxx
or
fastboot oem writecid 11111111
to re-supercid
Thank you for answering without the "OTA" rant. I not not concerned with taking an OTA as I'm planning on using a custom ROM but was asking as a what if / just in case scenario.
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andybones said:
so once we get the phone back and we have unlocked with htc dev to get unlocked bootloader, and want to go back to stock CID
the fastboot command is
"fastboot oem writecid xxxxxxxx"
and not just "fastboot oem writecid"
or do you have to have those (8) "x"'s?
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Not quite sure if I know what you're saying, but to go back to the stock CID is:
fastboot oem writecid VZW__001
I think the x's he put are just to show that you can put in any 8 numbers, as long as they're all the same (ie. 22222222, 77777777) to get Super-CID back.
Nevermind, 11111111 is Super, VZW__001 is stock.
PapaSmurf6768 said:
Not quite sure if I know what you're saying, but to go back to the stock CID is:
fastboot oem writecid VZW__001
I think the x's he put are just to show that you can put in any 8 numbers, as long as they're all the same (ie. 22222222, 77777777) to get Super-CID back.
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ahh sh*t I am a dumb$$, thank you
I see now that the "VZW__001" is the 8 x's and different for each carrier, thank you!
got confused for a second there.
The question is pretty much straight
Why does HTC S-On the devices when they allow us to unlock bootloader?
HTC says that the main idea of unlocking bootloader is that you can unleash our own phone.
Why can't they just S-OFF the devices when unlocking the bootloader ?
Can anyone fill me in
Thanks
MJ999 said:
The question is pretty much straight
Why does HTC S-On the devices when they allow us to unlock bootloader?
HTC says that the main idea of unlocking bootloader is that you can unleash our own phone.
Why can't they just S-OFF the devices when unlocking the bootloader ?
Can anyone fill me in
Thanks
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S-off opens up access to pretty much everything and so allows more control. With that are the risks of totally bricking your device. Staying S-on still gives you some protection from mucking things up and the freedom to flash roms/recoveries/kernels.
I agree though, as people are responsible for their actions and so must know the consequences of modding their devices, they should just give another level of access to remove s-off. The warranty is void once you unlock the bootloader anyway.
More info around s-off/NAND/partitions etc:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2619392
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S-off opens up access to pretty much everything and so allows more control. With that are the risks of totally bricking your device. Staying S-on still gives you some protection from mucking things up and the freedom to flash roms/recoveries/kernels.
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Now I simply voided my phone's warranty without any use.
Damn it HTC.
MJ999 said:
Now I simply voided my phone's warranty without any use.
Damn it HTC.
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How did you unlock it? Do you have s-off?
MJ999 said:
Now I simply voided my phone's warranty without any use.
Damn it HTC.
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Use sunshine to get s-off.
MJ999 said:
The question is pretty much straight
Why does HTC S-On the devices when they allow us to unlock bootloader?
HTC says that the main idea of unlocking bootloader is that you can unleash our own phone.
Why can't they just S-OFF the devices when unlocking the bootloader ?
Can anyone fill me in
Thanks
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You can still unleash some of your phone by just unlocking, which is probably why they gave the option. You can still flash a custom recovery, you can still root, you can still flash custom ROMs.
S-OFF you can flash different firmwares, you can resize partitions, you can convert to other models. Why would the majority want these? And by the looks of some of these threads, why would even some of the majority of "flashers" need it? Root + Custom Recovery + Custom ROM should be enough to satisfy most.
S-ON then just protects the phone from more serious changes that might lead to more serious damage if *you* don't know what *you're* doing.
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You can still unleash some of your phone by just unlocking, which is probably why they gave the option. You can still flash a custom recovery, you can still root, you can still flash custom ROMs.
S-OFF you can flash different firmwares, you can resize partitions, you can convert to other models. Why would the majority want these? And by the looks of some of these threads, why would even some of the majority of "flashers" need it? Root + Custom Recovery + Custom ROM should be enough to satisfy most.
S-ON then just protects the phone from more serious changes that might lead to more serious damage if *you* don't know what *you're* doing.
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This
When you are S-on/BL locked, your carrier (or HTC/Google) is your system administrator. The carriers take this a bit further, and even manage some of your apps. In a lot of ways, you are a guest on the system, even though you "own" it. However, assuming you just want to use it to make phone calls and post to facebook, for most people this is fine. (my wife's phone isn't even rooted)
When you are BL unlocked, you take over some parts of that sysadmin job, and can now replace parts of the operating system and manage your own apps. You can also disable external control of your device by rooting and turning off certain services. However, the truly critical stuff, the stuff that could keep your phone from booting, are outside of your control. You are now no longer a guest, but you aren't exactly an owner either.
When you S-off, you are taking on the job of being the system administrator entirely. You are 100% responsible for what happens to your phone. Your '44, your Magnum rounds, your foot. Be careful.
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How did you unlock it? Do you have s-off?
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I unlocked my bootloader.
No, I don't have S-OFF
KJ said:
Use sunshine to get s-off.
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BerndM14 said:
You can still unleash some of your phone by just unlocking, which is probably why they gave the option. You can still flash a custom recovery, you can still root, you can still flash custom ROMs.
S-OFF you can flash different firmwares, you can resize partitions, you can convert to other models. Why would the majority want these? And by the looks of some of these threads, why would even some of the majority of "flashers" need it? Root + Custom Recovery + Custom ROM should be enough to satisfy most.
S-ON then just protects the phone from more serious changes that might lead to more serious damage if *you* don't know what *you're* doing.
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I know about it, but I just want the H/K Mod, I don't think I need to spend 25 bucks for just the mod.
If anything better comes up, I will try sunshine
and during the meantime some devs might also find another way to S-Off hopefully.
But @BerndM14 don't you think HTC should have asked to you choose S-On or S-OFF when unlocking the bootloader or so ?
MJ999 said:
I unlocked my bootloader.
No, I don't have S-OFF
I know about it, but I just want the H/K Mod, I don't think I need to spend 25 bucks for just the mod.
If anything better comes up, I will try sunshine
and during the meantime some devs might also find another way to S-Off hopefully.
But @BerndM14 don't you think HTC should have asked to you choose S-On or S-OFF when unlocking the bootloader or so ?
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You wont' hear any arguments from me about that, I've made a post about that ages ago in which I stated that manufacturers should give you the option to have your phone rooted, unlocked and in HTC's case S-OFF, if it's a warranty issue then why not just a bit more for warranty purposes, but we still need the choice. Will they ever do something like that? I doubt they'll do anything like that any time soon but it would be nice and I've said so a long time ago already.
Especially as far as development on the devices are concerned. I don't see why they would share the Kernel source to allow developers to develop for the phone while at the same time expecting the developer to just hack away at the device in order to get the necessary permissions to develop for the device!
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You wont' hear any arguments from me about that, I've made a post about that ages ago in which I stated that manufacturers should give you the option to have your phone rooted, unlocked and in HTC's case S-OFF, if it's a warranty issue then why not just a bit more for warranty purposes, but we still need the choice. Will they ever do something like that? I doubt they'll do anything like that any time soon but it would be nice and I've said so a long time ago already.
Especially as far as development on the devices are concerned. I don't see why they would share the Kernel source to allow developers to develop for the phone while at the same time expecting the developer to just hack away at the device in order to get the necessary permissions to develop for the device!
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Thank the GPL for that last one. Android is essentially a very custom distro of Linux, and the Linux community has already shown that they will go after violators. It's how the Linksys WRT54G became the WIFI router to own. IOW, they release it because they have to, but they don't have to make it easy, or usable.
We have seen with the Samsung and LG devices that it is possible to lock down a device fully such that it won't boot anything that isn't cryptographically signed. They will do as little as necessary to comply with the license, without giving us the ability to actually use that knowledge. After all, what good is kernel source if you don't have a signing key the CPU will accept?
That is the primary reason I chose the M8. It was one of the few flagship phones that is still able to be fully owned.
Hello there,
I would like a more secure and private OS on my phone. Copperhead OS is interesting but I don't have the money to buy a device from them nor the know how to use the source. So my question, what is a good alternative. It seems like there are a lot of options here on XDA. It's my first time here and I'm not the most technical when it comes to software. I was able to switch all my home computing to linux/tails but working with my phone seems much harder. Any advice would be a huge help at this point.
What I think I know:
-I need to unlock my phone, and I have a Verizon Pixel XL. I found this article, (turns out new people can't post links but it is the page with the depixel8 tool), that I think will help me to unlock. Step one of this article mentions fastboot and adb which I think I get from Android SDK. So I'm pretty sure I first download the SDK (gonna find a guide to be safe) and then I do these steps through the terminal.
-Back up everything! I've removed all my pictures, I don't have a ton of contacts but I saved those else where too. Everything at this point can be lost, so when we say "back up everything" is there something I am missing? In my Desktop experience this also meant back up my old windows install, is this the case here? If so how do I do that?
-When the phone is unlocked, I then load a ROM on to it and select it in bootloader?
In summation, very lost, slightly confused, willing to learn! I'm just looking for an OS where I can use open source software, including the OS. Call me paranoid (fixes tin foil hat) but I'd rather try to keep my life private if even a little. Thank you for any help you can provide me in taking my first steps into something new.
If you are already on latest Verizon there is no way to unlock.
So no way to flash any custom roms.
But if security is what you want an unlock bootloader is just the other way. Less security.
Darn, I am on the latest version. I'm not able to unlock using the depixel8 tool? If that's the case I may just pick up a nexus and try to use Copperhead.
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Darn, I am on the latest version. I'm not able to unlock using the depixel8 tool? If that's the case I may just pick up a nexus and try to use Copperhead.
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If you're past 7.1 then sadly depixel8 won't work
Guess that's a done deal then. Instead of making a new thread I guess I'll just ask here. The way I understand it, Android is open source, but that doesn't mean the OS on my phone is open source. Seeing that the community here works with Android so much, are there any major privacy concerns running the latest version. As an example, Windows, especially Windows 10 is a privacy nightmare. I can't imagine Android is that bad, but what can you tell me?
Hi All.
Was searching everywhere last week and can not find the definite answer. I was thinking to buy the Nokia 8.1 TA-1119 model. However I am a developer and need root, so was trying to figure out if root procedure already exists for this phone.
There are some pages which give some root instructions, however they talk about installing the TWRP and as I checked, there is no TWRP for Nokia 8.1
So, would so much appreciate, if someone would give me some info, if root can be achieved on this phone?
While something is definitely possible and I have a rooted Nokia 8.1. But for your root requirements, I'd recommend that you consider some other phone which is more development-friendly.
First of all, it is super hard (playing with IMEI numbers and will have to pay), then the unlocked bootloader still doesn't allow booting or flashing any partitions via fastboot. So, pretty boring and it is equally hard to fix a bricked phone. Avoid if the sole purpose is an unlocked bootloader and regular rooting/flashing.
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While something is definitely possible and I have a rooted Nokia 8.1. But for your root requirements, I'd recommend that you consider some other phone which is more development-friendly.
First of all, it is super hard (playing with IMEI numbers and will have to pay), then the unlocked bootloader still doesn't allow booting or flashing any partitions via fastboot. So, pretty boring and it is equally hard to fix a bricked phone. Avoid if the sole purpose is an unlocked bootloader and regular rooting/flashing.
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Yes you are right. but some one should start on this. I am looking forward to learn and build ROM for this awesome phone. as android app developer, I think I will not take much time, but looking for some source to get undetstanding how things works.
but first of all root is must.