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Converting from a Sony Xperia Z1 Compact

I'm planning to sell my old Z1C for a 5.5 inch Zenfone 2 (2gb)... Will it be worth it? How's overall performace on this? App compatibilities (the mobile Intel processor is foreign to me)? Official and dev support?

2k14 said:
I'm planning to sell my old Z1C for a 5.5 inch Zenfone 2 (2gb)... Will it be worth it? How's overall performace on this? App compatibilities (the mobile Intel processor is foreign to me)? Official and dev support?
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I happen to love my ZF2 ZE551 4/64 since it can run Windoze 7 & 8 w/ a custom kernel supporting kvm. Just my 2 cents

ycavan said:
I happen to love my ZF2 ZE551 4/64 since it can run Windoze 7 & 8 w/ a custom kernel supporting kvm. Just my 2 cents
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Woah! Windows Phone roms??! That sounds fantastic... But compared to your 4gb device, how will the 2gb one fair? I do basic multitasking, multimedia browsing and my Z1C's 2gb has served me well though...
P.S. My budget doesn't grasp the 4gb model

2k14 said:
Woah! Windows Phone roms??! That sounds fantastic... But compared to your 4gb device, how will the 2gb one fair? I do basic multitasking, multimedia browsing and my Z1C's 2gb has served me well though...
P.S. My budget doesn't grasp the 4gb model
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lol, no desktop Windoze... not windows phone Please see this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299
tbh? I'm sure the 2gb phone will be fine for most anything. I have yet to find any apps that don't work on my ZF2 & most Android apps are NOT going to use 2 gigs of ram.

Don't think you'll have any problem with the 2GB version. Is it the 1.8ghz or the 2.3ghz model? Again, it shouldn't make a huge difference - the two chips have identical architecture, the same base speed and the same gpu. The only difference is the higher spec one can turbo higher in bursts. There are some corners cut to sell a device as cheaply as the Zenfone range, but powerful performance isn't lacking, and though it is a low to mid-range device I believe you get more than you pay for and it punches above it's weight. I came from an iPhone 5 to my Zenfone ZE550ML and I love it.

kanagawaben said:
Don't think you'll have any problem with the 2GB version. Is it the 1.8ghz or the 2.3ghz model? Again, it shouldn't make a huge difference - the two chips have identical architecture, the same base speed and the same gpu. The only difference is the higher spec one can turbo higher in bursts. There are some corners cut to sell a device as cheaply as the Zenfone range, but powerful performance isn't lacking, and though it is a low to mid-range device I believe you get more than you pay for and it punches above it's weight. I came from an iPhone 5 to my Zenfone ZE550ML and I love it.
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I understand the ZF2's stance in the high-mid range of the market however I'm concerned whether the ZF2 will be a downgrade from my Z1C... I'm particularly hoping the ZF2 as similarly snappy and capable as my Z1C but with the advantages that come as a phone thats released this year as opposed to the 2013 Z1C.
Also the Z1C has an amazing camera that has served me well. How's the ZF2's camera?

Well, benchmarks suggest the Zenfone 2 has quite a big performance advantage over your Z1C, and most users on here will probably tell you that it is very smooth and snappy to use in real everyday usage too. The camera on the Zenfone has its detractors, but mostly they are comparing it to things like the Galaxy S6 or iPhones. It is not perfect by any means, but a capable camera given the price. All reviews I have read pretty much slate the Z1/Z1C's camera though, so you might find that the Zenfone's is at least on a par.

Why Snapdragon 855 variant is ONLY available within U.S

Once again us within the UK and the rest of the world are stuck with the subpar exynos variant.
We all know that the newer exynos version has been terrible in terms of power efficiency ever since the Galaxy S9. Adding further misery, Samsung provides only U.S. limited warranty, which is a joke for a company as big as Samsung.
Just ordered a Xiaomi Mi 9

u also get a 10h SoT with the exynos... and i can unlock it...

mulkman said:
Once again us within the UK and the rest of the world are stuck with the subpar exynos variant.
We all know that the newer exynos version has been terrible in terms of power efficiency ever since the Galaxy S9. Adding further misery, Samsung provides only U.S. limited warranty, which is a joke for a company as big as Samsung.
Just ordered a Xiaomi Mi 9
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Subpar?
Dude they need to actually thorthle down Exynos power to match Snapdragon to be exact.
On S8 exyons is able to record longer with higher frame rate and higher resolution then snapdragon but they disable it so snapdragon could match up

mulkman said:
Once again us within the UK and the rest of the world are stuck with the subpar exynos variant.
We all know that the newer exynos version has been terrible in terms of power efficiency ever since the Galaxy S9. Adding further misery, Samsung provides only U.S. limited warranty, which is a joke for a company as big as Samsung.
Just ordered a Xiaomi Mi 9
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I ordered the S10e for £500 Snapdragon variant from eGlobal. Beats the Mi 9 every single way except the battery size

electrash said:
Subpar?
Dude they need to actually thorthle down Exynos power to match Snapdragon to be exact.
On S8 exyons is able to record longer with higher frame rate and higher resolution then snapdragon but they disable it so snapdragon could match up
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This was true for the s8, but the OP is correct with S9/S10.
If Samsung truly dialed back newer exynos variants, they went too far because the snapdragon variant outperforms it by significant margin.

So if I bought the snapdragon variant in europe via eglobal, I won't be able to root it or am I wrong?

DKzVeNgEnS said:
So if I bought the snapdragon variant in europe via eglobal, I won't be able to root it or am I wrong?
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Snapdragon hasn't been rooted since the s8

electrash said:
Subpar?
Dude they need to actually thorthle down Exynos power to match Snapdragon to be exact.
On S8 exyons is able to record longer with higher frame rate and higher resolution then snapdragon but they disable it so snapdragon could match up
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That's ridiculous. They are not doing that.

There's nothing subpar, they need Qualcomm because the USA is stuck in the stone age with their CDMA, Qualcomm is also impeding technological evolution by exploiting patent loopholes in countries with badly made law systems such as that, Qualcomm needs to die.
So far Snapdragons have vastly inferior battery life(have a look at the funny thread), 2/3 of the single core performance and 3 to 4 times higher memory delay, even the first iteration of ddr3 performs better.
But yeah have fun with your Chinese flagship I guess, let the fake Antutu scores keep you warm

fernando sor said:
That's ridiculous. They are not doing that.
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I am kinda amazed that you don't know that since you are in the phone's now more than me. But anyway this is the quote from some of the sites that you can find with Google.
Although the camera sensors on last year’s Samsung flagships were capable pf it, it was only this year that Samsung switched on 4K/60p video recording. Because it is only with the Snapdragon 845 that Qualcomm finally supported that feature too. That said, last year’s Samsung Exynos 8895 were already capable of that high resolution, high frame rate recording. But to play fair with Snapdragon 835 variants, Samsung disabled the feature.
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The Exynos 9820, like previous Exynos chips, has better video recording capabilities than the competing Snapdragon chip. The 9820, for example, can record 8K videos at 30 fps (frames per second) and 4K videos at 150 fps. The Snapdragon 855, meanwhile, seems to only support 4K recording at 60 fps like the Snapdragon 845, which means Samsung is unlikely to offer [email protected] fps or [email protected] fps in any market. The 855 does, however, get the ability to record HDR videos, something Samsung isn’t confirming or denying for the 9820 just yet.
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It's probably a lot to do with cost.
Qualcomm have Samsung over a barrel. They basically have to use the Snapdragon for the US devices, for the CDMA chipsets for the US networks that still use CDMA. It was either that or use Exynos chipset with Qualcomm radios, which Qualcomm were going to charge a fortune for.
And the rest of the world (except a couple of Asian countries) get Exynos, probably because it's cheaper. And developed by Samsung, so they have complete control over it.

It is also available as SM-G9750/DS (China version sourced from Hong Kong)

LRiley said:
Snapdragon hasn't been rooted since the s8
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Thats not true.
The HK and latin America snaps are rootable- no locked BL.

force70 said:
Thats not true.
The HK and latin America snaps are rootable- no locked BL.
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They're also middle-range busy markets that couldn't care less about Samsung flagships, so those units are almost nonexistent.

electrash said:
I am kinda amazed that you don't know that since you are in the phone's now more than me. But anyway this is the quote from some of the sites that you can find with Google.
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Wow I'm kind of amazed you would do virtually zero research. Based on anantech scores the Samsung varient is behind in virtually every category and also trailing the 845 version in many categories.
And just so you know I've done nothing with phones for years. I did write a few apps but I've not had the time in a while so I'm very out of it loop. I just know that Qualcomm is not behind Samsung in chip making. They are also better optimized and more power efficient.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14031/samsung-galaxy-s10-first-exynos-9820-vs-snapdragon-855-scores

fernando sor said:
Wow I'm kind of amazed you would do virtually zero research. Based on anantech scores the Samsung varient is behind in virtually every category and also trailing the 845 version in many categories.
And just so you know I've done nothing with phones for years. I did write a few apps but I've not had the time in a while so I'm very out of it loop. I just know that Qualcomm is not behind Samsung in chip making. They are also better optimized and more power efficient.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14031/samsung-galaxy-s10-first-exynos-9820-vs-snapdragon-855-scores
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Then we agree that we disagree. I know potential of Exynos is more capable of Snapdragon in terms of camera department. They are similar of course I can't say one is better then the other. And to be honest for me few thousand points more on some bench doesn't mean a penny. It will load app 0.1 sec faster, do I need it? No. Would I like better camera like 4K 150fps well kinda yes but still to be honest kinda not worthy cuz I still record 1080p 60fps.
No bad feelings man, I wish you all the best just a little argumentative conversation ?

sille said:
u also get a 10h SoT with the exynos... and i can unlock it...
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Where is the 10 hr SoT from? I'm seeing some threads saying battery drain is a issue for the Exynos versions

GunGirlYuna said:
Where is the 10 hr SoT from? I'm seeing some threads saying battery drain is a issue for the Exynos versions
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Look in the review section, then battery thread. Multiple screenshots where Exy hits 10hrs. Take that as you will.

electrash said:
Subpar?
Dude they need to actually thorthle down Exynos power to match Snapdragon to be exact.
On S8 exyons is able to record longer with higher frame rate and higher resolution then snapdragon but they disable it so snapdragon could match up
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I guess this is a good reason to unlock and root to get a custom kernel with an overclock at some point!
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Corv0 said:
They're also middle-range busy markets that couldn't care less about Samsung flagships, so those units are almost nonexistent.
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Who buys them really isnt important the fact that they are easily purchased on Ebay is important. In that sense they exist in abundance.
What's almost nonexistent is development other than twrp and root for said devices.

Snapdragon vs exynos: A long time joke from Samsung.

I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.

Samsung is never going to put a Snapdragon outside US on flagships

Akram. said:
Samsung is never going to put a Snapdragon outside US on flagships
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My Note 8 in India has a Snapdragon

pittas said:
I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
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Oh come on already, yes it's worse than the SD one, by a couple percent. Battery life is good this time around, random drain seems to be fixed. This is like reading a Reddit rant where people riot because it only has 1000 nits of peak brightness while my torch has thrice of that.

ronak_1078 said:
My Note 8 in India has a Snapdragon
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thats odd , mine is Exynos , Are you sure you bought indian variant ?

mine has been performing great so far I don't know what you're talking about ahahah I'm going to test battery life better today so we'll see

PLUG313 said:
mine has been performing great so far I don't know what you're talking about ahahah I'm going to test battery life better today so we'll see
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That's good for you, it's a subjective perception.
I never had problems either with my exynos note9 but that adds nothing to the conversation.
Its 3 years in a row that the exynos variant underperforms greatly compared to the snapdragon and I am tired of tossing 1000$ and receive an inferior product.

pittas said:
That's good for you, it's a subjective perception.
I never had problems either with my exynos note9 but that adds nothing to the conversation.
Its 3 years in a row that the exynos variant underperforms greatly compared to the snapdragon and I am tired of tossing 1000$ and receive an inferior product.
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Why do there have to be two variants anyway? Why do they bother to go with two?
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Isn't Samsung working with AMD or someone to improve you performance. If that happens it should keep up well with Qualcomm. it's that Mali from ARM that slows things down.

chetly968 said:
Isn't Samsung working with AMD or someone to improve you performance. If that happens it should keep up well with Qualcomm. it's that Mali from ARM that slows things down.
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Correct. But this new soc ain't coming before 2021.
It's 2019 and samsung released a 1100+$ phone without flagship specs, this exynos soc can maybe compete with last year's snapdragon 845, not 855 and much less with 855+.
It's a bad joke and huge letdown.

pittas said:
I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
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On what basis are you saying that Note 10 exynos equal to SD 845 in performance? please don't tell you you watch this nonsense speed test g!
See antutu score s10 SD vs note 10 exynos attached

What matters to me is the smoothness and daily performance. My Note10+ with Exonys 9825 feels snappier and has less lag than my Pixel 3XL with SD 845. Perhaps because it's brand new, I don't know.

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pittas said:
That's good for you, it's a subjective perception.
I never had problems either with my exynos note9 but that adds nothing to the conversation.
Its 3 years in a row that the exynos variant underperforms greatly compared to the snapdragon and I am tired of tossing 1000$ and receive an inferior product.
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3 years?
It all started last year, 4 times in a row, so far. Prior to S9, Exynos was not inferior to SD.
It's to do with the CPU architecture, that needs a change and only time will tell, possibly starting with the S11 or above.

Or don't pay attention to what america has?
You've got the ability to root to your hearts content with the exynos chip. Americas are pretty limited in that regard.
I'm not sure what difference it really makes to you if you've been using exynos chips for the past few years as it's an upgrade to what you've been using regardless.
Coming from a note 8 to the note 10+ was a huge and I mean huge difference to me.

Virgo_Guy said:
3 years?
It all started last year, 4 times in a row, so far. Prior to S9, Exynos was not inferior to SD.
It's to do with the CPU architecture, that needs a change and only time will tell, possibly starting with the S11 or above.
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I'm not going to argue about the n10+ as I have the US version and haven't had an exynos since the Galaxy Tab s2, which I immediately upgraded to the SD version of that tablet, so I can say that well over 3 years ago this was a problem. The GT S2 on the SD was SOOO much better.

I get what the OP is saying though, It is like buying a car and finding out the next door neighbour got a turbo on his stock model while yours is just a plain old engine...
It is annoying that Samsung has this diversity in it's models and while yes, you have upgraded from like to like, it does seem unfair that someone else has a "better" version but paid the same (or less) than you did...
I know here in Oz it is frustrating seeing what other countries get , 1 Note 10+ and a Note 10 for the price of a Note 10 + and other pe-order deals.
With my pre-order Note 9, here in Oz, I got a wireless charger while o'seas people were getting a 512gb SD card and more... Where is the fairness in that Samsung?
So, even though I have a brand spanking new toy it leaves a bitter taste of gall in your mouth to think you got less than what others have and paying the same price....

Hoping for Anandtech to. do a Note 10 review with a E8925 to see if Samsung made some progress on Exynos' traditional slow ramp up of cpu mhz. Saw this and A76/M4 are not handing Geekbench 5 workload/weighting well.
https://twitter.com/andreif7/status/1164927585471598594

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I'm not going to argue about the n10+ as I have the US version and haven't had an exynos since the Galaxy Tab s2, which I immediately upgraded to the SD version of that tablet, so I can say that well over 3 years ago this was a problem. The GT S2 on the SD was SOOO much better.
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We are talking about smartphones and not about 5 year old tablets. The Exynos variants of those tabs were from 2015 and SD were from 2016, ofcourse "upgraded".

pittas said:
I wonder what is people point of view regarding this long time issue. The exynos 9825 is by far a worse soc compared to snapdragon 855. It can maybe be compared with an almost 2 year old soc, the snapdragon 845.
This is simply unacceptable. The exynos and the snapdragon variants are equally priced and the former underperforms heavily for 3rd year in a row.
I am not upgrading to note 10 plus, will stick to my exynos note9 and wait for a proper flagship with a 855 or 855+.
I suspect that Samsung did not put the 855+ because the difference in benchmarks would be ridiculously different between exynos 9825 and 855+ variant.
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Agree. :good:

Exynos 990 vs Snapdragon 865

Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?

Guitarfreak26 said:
Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?
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Snapdragon 855+ Galaxy Fold(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 11150
QRD865(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 10247
QRD865(Performance)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 12524
Exynos 990 S20Ultra(Default)
PCMark Work2.0 Performance 11823

Guitarfreak26 said:
Hi All,
Currently using an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I'm relatively happy with it and the amazing battery but I'm bored and thinking of coming back to android.
Just not sure if its worth splashing £1200 on a device with an Exynos processor again!
Will Exynos be as bad again this year?
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I also have the iPhone 11 Pro Max and coming back to Android and too be honest the Exynos VS SD865 does not really bother me, the performance is slower than the SD865 and possibly battery life (specially in standby) may not be the same, but the screen, camera, design, openness of Android more than make up for that I reckon.
Last time I had a Galaxy was the S10 and that was a very nice phone and my only gripe back then was the really poor signal quality so if this is resolved in the S20 Ultra then I am a happy.
You could of course import it if you must have the SD version.

Gadgetsboy on Twitter already discussing the poor battery life on Exynos models... And so it begins lol

Exynos was bad last year on the s10 plus but did get better with updates, eventually swapped for the p30 Pro which is a beast, I too am hoping it's better this year, why can't they all be snapdragon?

russellcausier said:
Exynos was bad last year on the s10 plus but did get better with updates, eventually swapped for the p30 Pro which is a beast, I too am hoping it's better this year, why can't they all be snapdragon?
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1) Not enough production.
2) Samsung makes a better profit from Exynos.
3) diversification is good, some years Qualcomm is better, some years Qualcomm is the SD810.

This was my initial question, as exynos has historically been crap.
Namely the GPU being underpowered compared to the same gen Adreno.
I've heard that the exynos / Mali this time is 20% faster, but that tells me nothing, I've also read that even South Korea has gone for the 865 which to me speaks volumes.
Not sure what all this would do for development, I've been away from Samsung since the S5 and note 4, I just couldn't deal with the exynos and it's sub par GPU, as I use emulators from time to time and the Adreno just works, plus you get driver updates.
If the new Mali is comparable to the Adreno (newest) then I'd think about getting this phone.
But my decision would hang on that and the aforementioned crap battery.
Have heard that this may be the last exynos too but couldn't confirm that.

Just wait for Gary explains YouTube channel to make a comparison between the two versions.
I guess the Snapdragon its going to be around 16% to 20% faster than the exynos.
https://youtu.be/MgRnbm9wrzg

You won't likely notice the performance difference. But you will notice the horrible standby battery drain. Overnight, my exynos S20U drop 7% in airplane mode. Compare that to just 1% for my Asus ROG Phone II (not in airplane). But still better than exynos S10+ (10% overnight).

I’m hoping it gets fixed with software updates. Was still on the fence about moving over even though I pre ordered. The battery life on the 11 pro max is absolutely insane, still debating whether it’s worth losing that lol
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Would an imported phone with Snapdragon work fine on European networks? I'm seriously considering importing the damn phone due to that Exynos nonsense..

Diaoul said:
Would an imported phone with Snapdragon work fine on European networks? I'm seriously considering importing the damn phone due to that Exynos nonsense..
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I'm in the same situation - considering getting the HK variant (G9880) which supports pretty much all of the 4G/5G network channels..
I had the S10+ 855 in Australia on Vodafone and it was magic. well over 50mbits+ more download speed than the Exynos too..

Yup I imported snapdragon variant unlocked. Working flawlessly

Zak0071 said:
Yup I imported snapdragon variant unlocked. Working flawlessly
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Where from?

Guitarfreak26 said:
Where from?
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Just use Wondamobile like always.

gavinfabl said:
Just use Wondamobile like always.
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Not shipping until 24th Got a exynos ordered from JL for now... Keep wondering whether to cancel or not

Guitarfreak26 said:
Not shipping until 24th Got a exynos ordered from JL for now... Keep wondering whether to cancel or not
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Don’t cancel. The phone is belter. The noise out there is just noise. Look at it this way, find a phone as a package that has hardware and software as good as, as capable as this phone.

gavinfabl said:
Don’t cancel. The phone is belter. The noise out there is just noise. Look at it this way, find a phone as a package that has hardware and software as good as, as capable as this phone.
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Did you move from your Max? haha

Guitarfreak26 said:
Did you move from your Max? haha
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Lol I’ve had a few phones. iPhone 11 Pro has my main sim at the moment. Hoping the Ultra takes over though.

I think this whole exynos thing is overblown, yes there are differences in battery standby etc but surely having a UK warranty, ability to go to a samsung centre for any repairs, resale value is more important?

Which is better: Snapdragon 865 vs Exynos 990?

The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?

roydok said:
The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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At the moment I'm not sure.
Historically the exynos has been behind in the GPU department.
But the trade off has been the SD chips have been bootloader locked.
The exynos I've heard can still be unlocked, so if the GPU / CPU has caught up at all then it would be the preferred device in my opinion.
But too tell the truth it's really down to you.

I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.

le0.br4zuc4 said:
I read somewhere that this year the Exynos build isn't very good. They said it lagged behind SD in most measurements but I don't remember where I read this.
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Ahhh don't say that
So long as it can run the windwaker at a solid 30fps I'll be happy.

Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd

roydok said:
The S20 has 2 available CPUs: Snapdragon 865 and Exynos 990. Which will make a better phone? ?
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Since Galaxy S8, Snapdragon is ahead of the number game in benchmarks. The last good performing Exynos is from the Galaxy S7. In normal day to day usage, you won't notice the performance difference though, they're mostly identical in speed except for the battery efficiency, Exynos drains battery faster.

cheetah2k said:
Go snapdragon if you can. Exynos 990 is a pile of turd
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Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it

dladz said:
Can you root the Snapdragon?
I don't think you can so I wouldn't touch it
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Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:

cheetah2k said:
Tbh there are plenty of nice looking girls out there that I would root before my phone. I don't root my android phones, so for me I'd rather reap the performance advantage than the mod-ability..
As with the S10+, the SD855 had way better camera processing power too. No doubts this trend will continue with the SD865 :good:
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Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.

dladz said:
Performance?
Ok so my OnePlus 5, rooted and with a custom ROM managed a 14 hour and 47 minutes screen on time in a single charge, I have proof on the OnePlus 5 thread.
My P20 Pro managed 17 hours, also rooted with a custom ROM..
So your theory is broken pal, also to do with performance, removing swap storage actually speeds up the device, definitely for gaming.
Not to mention truly being able to debloat.
Just because I root. Don't think for a moment that it isn't stable or things are broken lol, if you've got a bad device or a novice dev then yea sh** will be broken but for the most part on most devices it's perfectly fine.
Not to mention the additional features which you obtain by having root access.
For me it's an absolute no brainer, as for the previous galaxy's I can't comment, but let's see what happens after the 13th and perhaps a day one patch.
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You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.

Early bench marks already show the Exynos 990 is a pile of turd. While I'll reserve judgement until the direct comparisons have been done the initial results are similar to last year's. 99% of phone users won't root either. So that should not even be a consideration Pal

_Dennis_ said:
You are reading way too fast into the other guy's post.
Yes, with root you can modify things to make performance better, but you're still limited by hardware.
Honestly, with or workout for, exynos or snapdragon you're going to get 99% the same phone.
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Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.

dladz said:
Mmmm I dunno I didn't mention the girls sentence?
Plus if the exynos is as some have said, then it won't be 99% the same phone.
Supposedly and I can't say for sure until I use it.
Exynos is meant to be weaker in terms of GPU (I expected that)
Exynos is meant to drain faster than the 865 (I didn't expect that)
Updates against the exynos and it's Mali GPU are going to be few and far between and seeing as s.korea is now using the SD, that can be expected to be worse than previous years, which isn't good news at all..
Best case scenario is that the Mali is on par with the 855 or 855+
Can be rooted
Gets updates to fix drain
Gets updates to fix camera
Lastly, the limits of hardware are fine, if you can test them, on stock you can't.
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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.

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The GPU is worse only because it is a 'stock' ARM GPU where as Qualcomm builds a custom, GPU. The differences, on average, are minor in everyday use, at least historically.
The battery issues I can't talk about much. Last phone I had as a Exynos was the S9+ and it was within a few percentage points of my S9+ SD. And battery is very much a personal thing, people use their phones very differently and the battery drain is very different based on things as obscure as signal type and strength.
I highly doubt the international version will be worse off than before, but only time will tell.
On stock you can test the hardware. You can't push it the extra 1% to get that tiny additional boost. Thing is, not everyone wants to or can root. Root brings its own problems especially with security. But I don't really want to argue if any one person should root or not, that's up to the person.
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Nah mate I wholeheartedly disagree, I had the OnePlus 5 which I think had an 850 and compared to any exynos at the time or the one after the oneplus outperformed it on the dolphin emulator, all games from the play store and benchmarks.
The GPU has always been the exynos' weak spot, I just hope this year they may have caught up a little.
Single core CPU performance and multi had been close, which is why using the device appeared fine, but the GPU is a different matter