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Hi all, I'm thinking of changing over to the Desire Z because I blog a lot on the go, and virtual keyboards dont really cut it for me.
I'd like to hear some comparison between the two, like how fast is the UI on the Desire Z compared to the N1 or Desire. Can you guys gimme some opinions about the screeb quality and keyboard?
Thanks in advance
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I happily sold my Nexus One for the G2 (which I have a Desire Z ROM on) and couldn't be happier. IMO, the screens are about equal. I don't miss my Nexus' screen at all, and the keyboard is phenomenal.
As for speed, that's obviously going to depend on a number of variables. I run my G2 overclocked to 1.2GHz most of the time and have no complaints in terms of speed. I get 12-15h of moderate use out of the battery at this speed, so that works for me. You can currently safely overclock the G2 to 1.5GHz, though you'll see a drain in battery at those speeds. The G2 out of the box even (800MHZ) is pretty snappy, comparable to the Nexus.
In short, you won't be disappointed.
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You can currently safely overclock the G2 to 1.5GHz, though you'll see a drain in battery at those speeds.
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I'm at 1.5 Ghz on CM6.1 and I would say I get better battery life than stock (.5% drain per hour idle, average of 1.5% drain per hour with moderate use).
I know that is is probably a stupid or anmoying question, but what do you mean by moderate use?
I myself have twitter notifications every 10 minutes, plus some browsing, music playback and i often open the facebook app to update my notifications
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emmib said:
I know that is is probably a stupid or anmoying question, but what do you mean by moderate use?
I myself have twitter notifications every 10 minutes, plus some browsing, music playback and i often open the facebook app to update my notifications
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Not a stupid question at all.
Moderate use (average, per hour):
- 20 texts (incoming/outgoing)
- 10 minutes of web
- 5 minutes of phone call
- Facebook app (4 or 5 times)
- 10 minutes (or so) of games.
Man, it would seem like I'm always on my phone, but I'm not. Can't exactly play Angry Birds while sitting across the meeting table from the boss.
But in all seriousness, I went a full 48 hours and used 80%. That's with about an hour and a half total worth of PSX and SNES emulators.
I upgraded from a Nexus One (which is now my wifes phone) to the G2.
Impressions out of the box, pre-root/CM6.1:
At stock 800Mhz, i could immediately tell it was "snappier" then the Nexus One OC'd at 1.3Ghz. Meaning, scrolling from homescreen to homescreen, live wallpapers, opening of applications, running graphic intense games, etc, etc ... All felt smoother/quicker.
The BIG difference i noticed (again, out of the box) was the multi-touch/touchscreen.
Take Maps for instance, or even pinch zooming in the browser. This experience was GREATLY improved. I think this is due to the type of screen, more-so then a software or CPU speed improvement. Pinch Zooming, or two finger tilting, or two finger rotating in maps was MUCH more reactive.
Impressions out of the box, post-root/CM6.1:
Wholey cows this thing is FAST. OC'd to 1.5mhz, this thing is insanely fast. That's it in a nutshell, FAST.
Granted, i only had the thing out of the box for a grand total of about 5 minutes before i began my rooting and throwing CM on it, but still.
Hard Keyboard: For me (and I'm no blogger, i type on this thing occasionally) its no big deal. I came from a G1 to the Nexus One, and didn't miss the Hard Keyboard, and going form the Nexus One to this G2, I'm not so great full i have one either. However, there are times I'm thankful i have one, and it comes in handy, definitely. For someone like you, who probably types a lot on the phone, I would have to imagine it would make a huge difference. As far as typing on the keyboard, its not terrible. The biggest complaint for most, is the lack of room above the top row of keys and the phone hardware, leaving no room for fingers to type easily on the top row.... is GONE on this phone. The hinge design allows for PLENTY of room for the top row of keys to be easily pressed. The other big complaint about hard keyboards is the lack of a dedicated Number row, which this phone falls victim to. You can easily double-tap the ALT key to switch to the numbers, and to me its not that big of a deal, but some hard core hard-keyboard users may find this a bother.
Okay, so coming form a Nexus One, which i absolutely LOVED.... actually, ill say still love, am i happy with the G2... DEFINITELY.
If there was ONE thing i HAD to point out that i like the Nexus One more-so then the G2, it would be Weight, and Thickness. Both these things are caused by the hard keyboard, and the G2 is significantly heavier then the Nexus One. Can i get over it, definitely. But anytime i hold my wife's phone now (remember, she has the Nexus One now), I'm like wow, this thing really WAS light and thin.
Conclusion, you'll be happy with the G2.
Thanks dude! That was EXACTLY what I wanted to know!
Guys thanks a million for your help, you cleared up a great many things for me!
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Thanks, now I know exactly what people mean by it, and thanks for the info on the battery!
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I currently have the galaxy s2. Hows the battery life on the nitro? Cause I had the LG thrill and it sucked and so did the camera. How is that on the nitro?
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Stock, the battery life of the Nitro isn't so great. About in the neighborhood of 8hrs with medium usage. If you don't mind rooting, debloating and tweaking than you can get better results.
The 8mp camera on the Nitro is decent to good. Sharpness, saturation and white balance are about on par with any other higher-end phone. The negative though is it can take up to 6 seconds from 1st shot before you can take the next shot...So this is NOT an action capable camera.
There's another thread with literally the EXACT same subject line as this new thread created, with the last word being the only difference:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1422642
Have a look around first, you'll notice many of your questions have already been addressed
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Stock, the battery life of the Nitro isn't so great. About in the neighborhood of 8hrs with medium usage. If you don't mind rooting, debloating and tweaking than you can get better results.
The 8mp camera on the Nitro is decent to good. Sharpness, saturation and white balance are about on par with any other higher-end phone. The negative though is it can take up to 6 seconds from 1st shot before you can take the next shot...So this is NOT an action capable camera.
There's another thread with literally the EXACT same subject line as this new thread created, with the last word being the only difference:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1422642
Have a look around first, you'll notice many of your questions have already been addressed
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I wouldn't say 6 seconds, dat's a little steep, but definitely not instantaneous; ballpark i say is somewhere around 3 seconds shutter lag, but that might be due to the crappy 16GB class 2 SD Card that comes with most of the P930.
No lag on Class 4 sdcard, rooted, hard reset and debloated.
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theoski said:
No lag on Class 4 sdcard, rooted, hard reset and debloated.
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are you referring to the camera?
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are you referring to the camera?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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what does that cut the shutter lag to? have you tried a faster card than class 4?
I have a class 4 and it takes 2-3 seconds between pictures.
sounds like the class 4 takes a little more than a second off the process. i'm getting ~4 seconds shutter refresh on indoor well-lit snaps, maybe a bit quicker outdoors in full sun.
anyone tried a class 10? usually overkill for a p&s but maybe with this device........
Processing lag is about 2 seconds with class 4 but then I havent seen a phone that was faster. Is class 10 on the market? I saw class 6 but the reviews said that they write speed gain was barely noticable.
Btw this is my second day without recharging mid day so the baterry is not near as bad as evo 4g or any mobile on wimax.
Also for anyone that caress, the touchscreen is a bit different than on sg2 or skyrocket (a bit different response wise). I definitely noticed that I am making less mistakes while typing. It seems way more precise than anything before.
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It's probably related to finger-to-finger difference. My typing on Nitro is way worse then on Atrix 4g, with keyboard buttons smaller then on Nitro.
My typing on my galaxy s2 sucks lol
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The keyboard on this phone actually drives me nuts sometimes. When posting for example, it's incredibly slow to register my inputs. But, over texting it's almost too sensitive. I don't know why but it also registers the first letter twice sometimes. I guess I just have to get more used to it. Wish it can be iPhone keyboard smooth.
just fine
At first I was skeptical of this phone.
Now, it works just well. I can stream music for an easy 6 hrs. I can do the same task I've done on any other phone with pretty much the same battery usage. If I'm having a slow day at work and I know I'm using my phone heavy I will plug it in and use it. Or if i'm driving I will have in charging. it's exactly the same way I treated my iphone or other phones in the past.
The soft keyboard is a bit touch and it does lag pretty good at times..
The phone is fair. There is really nothing out there that my provider can offer (BELL)
It's got the HTC RAIDER (even worse battery life) and the Nexus (no expandable storage) - which was actually the deal breaker. I do not like being restricted to 16gb max. I like to know I can carry another one with me or have a 32gb. I like to carry movies and music..
I still wish there were more phones with FM tuner built in.. That would be perfect!
Just my 2 cents I guess.
I bought the sgs2 skyrocket, exchanged it for the nitro HD, and then returned the device 2 days later. The battery life, even with little use, is bad. I would seriously think long and hard about making the switch.
It doesn't matter to me which phone folks get but 2 days with this phone is simply not enough time to accurately gauge this battery. Hell, I don't think a week is enough
This phone needs a fair bit of set-up, including full drains/charges and bloat cleared out, etc. but after more than a month with this phone I can say the battery is performing entirely different than it did on day 2 and it is not an issue (other than my trying to make it one).
The fact of the matter boils down to this for me:
I wanted the screen and I wanted the LTE. Those features are part of what defines this phone and those 2 features are the top battery drains and would be on any phone.
I agree with what Scott mentioned regarding the battery. A little over a month and now the battery can last much much longer even with gaming and all. Somehow the phone adapts to your usage and becomes more efficient. Not much more, but better than when it was fresh out the box.
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It doesn't matter to me which phone folks get but 2 days with this phone is simply not enough time to accurately gauge this battery. Hell, I don't think a week is enough
This phone needs a fair bit of set-up, including full drains/charges and bloat cleared out, etc. but after more than a month with this phone I can say the battery is performing entirely different than it did on day 2 and it is not an issue (other than my trying to make it one).
The fact of the matter boils down to this for me:
I wanted the screen and I wanted the LTE. Those features are part of what defines this phone and those 2 features are the top battery drains and would be on any phone.
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aquariuz23 said:
I agree with what Scott mentioned regarding the battery. A little over a month and now the battery can last much much longer even with gaming and all. Somehow the phone adapts to your usage and becomes more efficient. Not much more, but better than when it was fresh out the box.
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I'm glad to hear that your experience is similar, says a lot about this device.
Another thing about the battery, it charges fast IMO. I like to let mine go to full drain before charging up and I just did a full charge in 1 hour ~40 minutes and that reflects most charge times for me.
I don't have much experience charging other smart phones but that's a very acceptable time for me.
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I'm glad to hear that your experience is similar, says a lot about this device.
Another thing about the battery, it charges fast IMO. I like to let mine go to full drain before charging up and I just did a full charge in 1 hour ~40 minutes and that reflects most charge times for me.
I don't have much experience charging other smart phones but that's a very acceptable time for me.
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Yup, indeed this phone's battery charges really fast, fastest of course with chargers that give out higher amps. Using the stock charger (1.2 amps) I can fully charge the phone at about the same time u mention, sometimes even faster. Using blackberry chargers (0.8 amps), it takes a bit longer, but still fast. It's nice to see a phone charge that fast. The atrix took a long time to fully charge, and that's not from a full drain too.
So when I load my GN with a lot of stuff like redownloading all my apps after a system wipe or use the camera for a long time with flash on, it heats up around the camera but not the battery. I was wondering if it's normal and if others have the same experience. Post if you do pls.
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it's normal when using lots of data or heavy 3D gaming. Unless it starts burning you, theres nothing to be worried about.
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it's normal when using lots of data or heavy 3D gaming. Unless it starts burning you, theres nothing to be worried about.
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Thanks for the info. My GN stays at normal temp. when I'm not loading it up do much. But when it heats up, the temp. is not what I'd expect from a phone so I was kinda worried.
Mine gets warm doing anything over 3g/4g for more then 5 minutes, I see it as high as 105 F, which is not too bad i guess. I know they can go up to 140 or so I think before shutting down.
I still don't like it, but I guess all this power in these phones has to get hot.
Yeah with a computer the heat's properly evacuated but with mobile devices like notebooks and powerful mobiles you'll definitely feel the heat.
Still it's very annoying.
IIRC (from Androidcentral.com?), there's a bug in 4.0.2 and below that doesn't turn the camera threads off when using the face recognition signin. You can address this by activating and then deactivating the camera. If not, the camera simply heats up and battery life takes a hit.
I turned off the face-recognition signin and have noticed dramatic improvement in battery life. YMMV.
This do happens to my gnexus. Hot spot comes from the top close to camera area. Happens when I'm playing games or online a lot.
Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Honor 8 stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I have not experience any form of heating where I could bake anything, but enough to make me aware of it. Of course heat during mapping is normal, gaming wise....I actually think it has been descent. Played Asphalt 8 for a good 30 minutes (thats my gaming time frame on regular basis) with nothing out of the norm. Could be better.
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In the place where I live, summer is really hot! I noticed that Honor 8 performs much better than phones I used to use.
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It's probably due to the Kirin SoC, which is power efficient.
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It's probably due to the Kirin SoC, which is power efficient.
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I always suspect it at much, though I find myself lacks of love to Kirin SoC due to almost no progress on custom development, and some sites reported poor performance of it, but I myself, who never play (or have any intention to play) any games on mobile device, use them strictly to communication usage (and some web surfing), I find Huawei's tradeoff performance over heat and battery life might very good concept.
I never care about synthetic benchmarks. I just need a device that can last long and stays cool all the times with my activities, and it never lags. My most demanding tasks might be watching 3-7 minutes of YouTube's videos for some times or navigating the roads with GPS.
But just like almost anyone else here, I can't stand the EMUI, just no. Still hoping Huawei will fully support custom dev with their new commitment.
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I always suspect it at much, though I find myself lacks of love to Kirin SoC due to almost no progress on custom development, and some sites reported poor performance of it, but I myself, who never play (or have any intention to play) any games on mobile device, use them strictly to communication usage (and some web surfing), I find Huawei's tradeoff performance over heat and battery life might very good concept.
I never care about synthetic benchmarks. I just need a device that can last long and stays cool all the times with my activities, and it never lags. My most demanding tasks might be watching 3-7 minutes of YouTube's videos for some times or navigating the roads with GPS.
But just like almost anyone else here, I can't stand the EMUI, just no. Still hoping Huawei will fully support custom dev with their new commitment.
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We all hope huawei try to push sources for dev always and ASAP
tends to warm up a lil bit, bt no overheating.
Glad to know there is no overheating.
Mine gets really hot when you work the camera(s).
Every single phone on the market will overheat. Some overheat very easily, and some take a while, but is not a one that will not get hot until it melts (even if it takes months of you playing asfault to do it ). If you wanted a practical answer though.... no, my friend has one and it doesn't get too hot when playing a game on it for a few hours.
Once I almost burned my hand while playing on my OnePlus One and charging it. This phone keeps lower temperatures than my OPO so that's a plus for me.
This is a topic I am really interested.
My present phones, the LG G2 and the OnePlus One, get really hot, specially in the Summer. The LG G2 is the worst, as it has everything in the same place, and the Snapdragon 800 is a little less refined than the 801.
I do not play on my smartphone, and I only use GPS once a month.
I use my phone to comunicate (call, text, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp and Viber), track my packages (Deliveries), watch some videos on YouTube and search quickly something on the internet.
I am a light user, but when I do something, that thing needs to be done quickly and right.
So, heat is a no-no for me.
This SoC seems to be a better option, even against the Snapdragon 820, which was my previous SoC of choice.
Actually this Honor 8 tends to get warm. And when you use the camera for some minutes it gets really really hot in the upper part.
ouardo said:
Actually this Honor 8 tends to get warm. And when you use the camera for some minutes it gets really really hot in the upper part.
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What do you mean by using the camera?
- Having it open while trying the features;
- Taking multiple shots;
- Making a video;
- Taking HDR photos; or
- Other use, please describe your usage.
hitardo said:
What do you mean by using the camera?
- Having it open while trying the features;
- Taking multiple shots;
- Making a video;
- Taking HDR photos; or
- Other use, please describe your usage.
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Simply having it open. It overheats very quickly. Seems to be an issue with Huawei p9 too, an owner told me.
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Simply having it open. It overheats very quickly. Seems to be an issue with Huawei p9 too, an owner told me.
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In my opinion, I suspect that is a software issue.
To have a better performance and take pictures very quickly, the CPU and GPU are taken to the limit and have a more aggressive governor and higher minimum frequency.
I don't know. Could be for the dual camera though. Whose usefulness, by the way, is at least dubious.
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I don't know. Could be for the dual camera though. Whose usefulness, by the way, is at least dubious.
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Yes, I agree.
At least on the heating problem.
From the review of Pocketnow, it is clear than it has a positive affect on the dynamic range of the photos. HDR becomes obsolete, which is a good thing, as HDR uses more power from the phone, takes more time and requires to be still for longer.
Look, I've experimented with the cameras in every light condition. Covering the mono sensor and leaving it active. I myself could not really tell a single difference between the photos taken.I really don't.
I don't know how you are getting it hot. I have played games. Used the light for extended periods of time. Used maps. Camera, video. It has never been as hot as other phones I have used.
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It has never been as hot as other phones I have used.
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Thank you for sharing your experience.
So my Galaxy S7 is water damaged, and I need a phone to last for me for approximately another year. Would moving to the Nexus 5X be a good choice? It would save me some money if I get this instead of the OnePlus 3, which doesn't have warranty as it is sold third party only.
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So my Galaxy S7 is water damaged, and I need a phone to last for me for approximately another year. Would moving to the Nexus 5X be a good choice? It would save me some money if I get this instead of the OnePlus 3, which doesn't have warranty as it is sold third party only.
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do it, you won't regret it. its a device powered by Google, so there is a great support from all points of view, including instant Android updates. also, there is a strong community.
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do it, you won't regret it. its a device powered by Google, so there is a great support from all points of view, including instant Android updates. also, there is a strong community.
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Do you think I'd see any noticeable battery or performance drop?
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Do you think I'd see any noticeable battery or performance drop?
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I've never used an S7, but you'll likely notice a drop in both. Depending on what you do, you'll definItely notice a difference in performance when this phone heats up. If you play games often, you'll notice it. If you live in a warm climate, you'll notice it. The CPU throttles aggressively after a certain temperature or below about 20% battery charge. I still think it's a solid phone, especially with the software and dev community. I just know it has limits and they can be deal breakers.
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I've never used an S7, but you'll likely notice a drop in both. Depending on what you do, you'll definItely notice a difference in performance when this phone heats up. If you play games often, you'll notice it. If you live in a warm climate, you'll notice it. The CPU throttles aggressively after a certain temperature or below about 20% battery charge. I still think it's a solid phone, especially with the software and dev community. I just know it has limits and they can be deal breakers.
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My main workload primarily consists of Snapchat, Instagram and a few casual games, but I do live in a very warm climate, all year round.
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My main workload primarily consists of Snapchat, Instagram and a few casual games, but I do live in a very warm climate, all year round.
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I notice the thermal throttling every time I go outside (checking with EXKM) however I only travel and use Google Maps when the weather is the warmest each day. I'm not doing much else in high heat since I work indoors. If I worked outdoors, I'd probably hate this phone lol The phone runs fine when you don't expose it to too much heat.
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I notice the thermal throttling every time I go outside (checking with EXKM) however I only travel and use Google Maps when the weather is the warmest each day. I'm not doing much else in high heat since I work indoors. If I worked outdoors, I'd probably hate this phone lol The phone runs fine when you don't expose it to too much heat.
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To be honest, I don't use it much when outside, but somehow I have la penchant for making cool phones run hot. Even the GS7 runs hot when doing not much more than web browsing.
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To be honest, I don't use it much when outside, but somehow I have la penchant for making cool phones run hot. Even the GS7 runs hot when doing not much more than web browsing.
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Ha, I'd say go for it but measure your expectations. SOT hovers around 2-4 hours for most people, I'd say average. Throttling is an issue but one you can tweak somewhat through guides. Speaker volume is weak but can be tweaked if you install a custom kernel. My complaints are: speaker volume, throttling, and desire for a larger battery. I just web browse, text, surf XDA, and use Google Maps. It's a plastic phone which doesn't bother me, but it may bother you coming from a metal phone. It's a solid phone overall. Plus, we get updates quickly.
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Ha, I'd say go for it but measure your expectations. SOT hovers around 2-4 hours for most people, I'd say average. Throttling is an issue but one you can tweak somewhat through guides. Speaker volume is weak but can be tweaked if you install a custom kernel. My complaints are: speaker volume, throttling, and desire for a larger battery. I just web browse, text, surf XDA, and use Google Maps. It's a plastic phone which doesn't bother me, but it may bother you coming from a metal phone. It's a solid phone overall. Plus, we get updates quickly.
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Plastic doesn't really bother me, build quality comes dead last to me in a list of priorities, as I always put my phone in a case anyway. Battery life is what concerns me the most, and the fact that it uses USB C instead of micro further adds insult to injury. The update speed does tempt me though...
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Plastic doesn't really bother me, build quality comes dead last to me in a list of priorities, as I always put my phone in a case anyway. Battery life is what concerns me the most, and the fact that it uses USB C instead of micro further adds insult to injury. The update speed does tempt me though...
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Thankfully the adjustment to USB C is easier now though than it was at release. Fast updates are the best thing about a Nexus
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