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I come from a HD2, and whilst I think the Desire is a much more enjoyable device the only thing that disappoints me is the small amount of available phone storage. Granted I have a bloat free ROM on my HD2 but my Desire, with only one or two small apps installed, has only 89.75mb free versus the HD2's 271.97mb. As far as I know the two devices have the same amount of ROM.....
Is Android with Sense that much more bloated than Windows Mobile??
no offense, but thats self-answering, isnt it? you said it yourself: they have the same amount of rom.
Sense is the bloat. My stock N1, when freshly booted up with no apps, had over 120 MB (it's been a looong time, maybe as much as 130-140 MB) free. When I first flashed a Desire ROM and first booted up, it reported about 95 MB free.
that still isnt much of a difference in comparism to the ~270MB the HD2 has. so in the end id rather say that android is the bloat, taking 130MB more than wm65.
So Android with Sense takes up 425mb?? That seems an awful lot.
leoni1980 said:
So Android with Sense takes up 425mb?? That seems an awful lot.
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Once it gets rooted I am sure that will get reduced, and once Apps2SD (either rooted or official) becomes a reality this will not be a problem?
That's comparable to the size of Windows xp though isn't it. Just shows how far mobiles have become. I'm hoping Android gets an update soon to allow installation to SD without rooting as I'm sure this was promised, unless I'm mistaken. If you install a few apps like Google earth and other weighty, cache heavy apps I can imagine the Rom space would run out very quickly
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That's comparable to the size of Windows xp though isn't it. Just shows how far mobiles have become. I'm hoping Android gets an update soon to allow installation to SD without rooting as I'm sure this was promised, unless I'm mistaken. If you install a few apps like Google earth and other weighty, cache heavy apps I can imagine the Rom space would run out very quickly
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yes there was an official statement from google that theyre working on an update for it. Apart from the heavy apps such as GEarth and games the available rom will let you install about 30-50 apps so not that bad me thinks
If you've only installed small applications how is it that you have used over 30mb of free space the handset comes with, try clearing your caches.
This has surprised me too. Only having 150mb to store applications when I was used to Windows Mobile sticking them all on my 16Gb SD card, or my GF's iPhone seemingly having endless storage. After 2 days I had run out.
It's like going back to PalmOS 5!
Having said that I love the device to bits.
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just done wipe on my rooted Desire. on first boot got 130Mb free... did a restore and again low on space .. apps installed on internal memory sums up 60mb .. and i have only 10mb free space left ... how is that??? cant download/install anything now, not even some updates..
p.s. tried to install a2sd+ but didnt found good thread on how to do it..if anyone can help with this?!
thanks
probably your apps only install to the phone memory and you get left with only a few MB to spare,you can try and force them to install on the sd card and you will have enough space,i have about 30 apps installed inclusind rock plyaer,adobe flash which make 20mb and i still got 70 mb left.
I got 1.6Gb free
Data2ext....
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no, they install on sdcard. but anyway they consume some internal memory too (cache and stuff) anyway it's a downside of Desire ... too little internal memory..
managed to make ext2 partition and i can see it in quick info but it shows only 90mb A2SD and if i look in paragon partition manager i have 512mb on ext2 partition ... wth??
In the current lineup of Windows Phone 7s, some phones have 512MB ROM while others have 1GB ROM. In Blackberries, Androids and Pres, this would mean the 1GB phones have double the storage space for apps because apps can only be installed on ROM memory (though Android now allows Apps2SD).
But in Windows Phone 7, I thought the OS created a single volume of the ROM + other memory (Flash or SD), meaning the apps can be installed anywhere. If the ROM only stores the OS and at max 60MB of pre-installed apps, what's the advantage of having 1GB ROM?
Haven't heard of any max. So no worries.
My guess is that if any updates require a good bit more space, only those phones will get it, like how the G1 was left out for not having enough ROM.
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My guess is that if any updates require a good bit more space, only those phones will get it, like how the G1 was left out for not having enough ROM.
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Though with that said I don't think Microsoft will be looking to make that mistake anytime soon.
The G1's issue was compounded by the fact that Android < 2.2 does not support installing applications to SD card. Windows Mobile devices didn't have all that much trouble getting upgrades from 5.0 to 6/6 to 6.1/6.1 to 6.5 with small ROMs because users could just install their applications to the SD Card (and Sync their media there as well).
Android didn't, so even if the OS could barely fit into the ROM, it would make the phone borderline unusable since unless it was an upgrade to 2.2 the applications and data/cache files woulnd't have anywhere to fit.
The HD2 came with a 1GB ROM/576 MB RAM for the US Market.
I personally hope that when Samsung releases the Vibrant FroYo, that it allows installing apps to the INTERNAL SD card, because I do not like installing apps to removeable media - personally.
I'm kinda sad to see the HD7 has half the ROM of the HD2, but sense and the tmobile crapware were probably taking loads of space there
Unless 512MB is all Microsoft needs for future updates + OS..
SO unless their plan is to release attractive phones to get people into buying them and getting used to the OS while only releasing Updates with Needed Features and Several Bug fixes so in the end the ROM is filled with Updates then they use the excuse that it won't support the next Step up since theres not enough space...
Just like Android in Some Cases...
It sounded better in my head
hakuchi18v said:
Unless 512MB is all Microsoft needs for future updates + OS..
SO unless their plan is to release attractive phones to get people into buying them and getting used to the OS while only releasing Updates with Needed Features and Several Bug fixes so in the end the ROM is filled with Updates then they use the excuse that it won't support the next Step up since theres not enough space...
Just like Android in Some Cases...
It sounded better in my head
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hmm That way you'd have to get a new phone for WP8. I've read that it is in the plan phase already
I don't think the phone OS will get any ware near that and so I don't think 1gb would be needed.
By the time WP8 is ready we'll all be ready for new phones anyway, unless it is ready before 2 years is up. But if they do it like Vista and W7 and leave a bit of breathing room, we'll be fine. If they pull an iPhone and WP8 is out next year, it'd best work on WP7 launch devices too, and be pushed through Zune. A $5 fee wouldn't be offensive if this time next year WP8 is ready.
I think that there seem to be some confusion about the term "ROM".
ROM stands for Read Only Memory, if it's a read only memory you have to erase the whole memory if you want to add something to it (i.e. flashing the device). If it's real ROM, you can't use it for apps, no matter what platform you're using.
Now I've heard somewhere that WP7 can mirror data on a smaller, but faster internal storage for fast access. If that is the case, and the 1GB isn't really a ROM, it could be used to mirror things of the Storage for fast access.
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I think that there seem to be some confusion about the term "ROM".
ROM stands for Read Only Memory, if it's a read only memory you have to erase the whole memory if you want to add something to it (i.e. flashing the device). If it's real ROM, you can't use it for apps, no matter what platform you're using.
Now I've heard somewhere that WP7 can mirror data on a smaller, but faster internal storage for fast access. If that is the case, and the 1GB isn't really a ROM, it could be used to mirror things of the Storage for fast access.
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ROM is a misnomer but it's what OEMs refer to when talking about application memory. You do not need to erase the whole memory to add something new. The ROM space is meant to be changed infrequently.
I see two reasons why some WP7s have 1GB ROMs: (1) WP7 does install apps to the ROM for speed reasons; this means WP7 will be very limited in app size and some app developers will not create large, quality apps for WP7. (2) The phones with 1GB will also be Android phones, which by default install to ROM.
I still have not found an answer as to what's the advantage of having 1 GB of ROM on WP7.
I'm still guessing that like Android's Apps2SD, WP7 is writing only the apps' necessary files to the ROM and storing the rest of the app on the internal/SD memory.
I'm fairly sure that I'm right in saying that WP7 doesn't see a difference between the internal ROM and the Expanded storage (be it Nand or SD Card) as it stripes the two in a Raid type array. So it sees it all as one contiguous drive. I would imagine that the original OS image will be stored on part of the ROM, and when it's initially set up, or hard reset etc... then it will deploy the image onto the striped array?
So I don't think the size of the ROM will make any difference in terms of updates, applications etc... I'd be shocked if MS had set it up so that they wouldn't be able to deploy updates etc... due to storage constraints - that said, stranger things have happened!
"...writing only the apps' necessary files to the ROM..."
Am I the only one spotting the mistake here?
ROM stands for Read Only Memory. You cannot write to ROM.
There are types of ROM that can be rewritten via special processes, such as EEPROM (Electrically Erasable Programmable ROM).
But apps cannot write to ROM.
Jim Coleman said:
"...writing only the apps' necessary files to the ROM..."
Am I the only one spotting the mistake here?
ROM stands for Read Only Memory. You cannot write to ROM.
There are types of ROM that can be rewritten via special processes, such as EEPROM (Electrically Erasable Programmable ROM).
But apps cannot write to ROM.
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You are wrong; please refer to my post near the top of this page.
Take the HTC Droid Incredible for instance: it has 512MB ROM, 8GB internal Flash and up to 32GB SD. The OS and all applications are installed to the ROM. The OS takes up a lot of that space and you're left with very little room for apps. You can install and delete apps from the ROM as many times as you want.
Here's an interesting fact that makes the question even more intriguing: The HTC HD7 (512MB ROM) with 16GB memory and the Samsung Focus (1GB ROM) with 16GB memory (8GB embedded + 8GB SD) have the same amount of total storage--14.5 to 14.6GB. The few MB difference is likely from different pre installed apps (limit of 60MB pre installed).
This likely means that WP7 does not count ROM as part of the phone's storage. So why would Samsung put more ROM than needed on the Focus?
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This likely means that WP7 does not count ROM as part of the phone's storage. So why would Samsung put more ROM than needed on the Focus?
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And that is the question that baffles here...
Still haven't figured it out.
Jim Coleman said:
"...writing only the apps' necessary files to the ROM..."
Am I the only one spotting the mistake here?
ROM stands for Read Only Memory. You cannot write to ROM.
There are types of ROM that can be rewritten via special processes, such as EEPROM (Electrically Erasable Programmable ROM).
But apps cannot write to ROM.
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That's not necessarily a typo. ROM chips are updated with software all the time and lots of people just say ROM because it's shorter, more convenient, adn it's what they're used to.
Lots of people said RAM even when there were SDRAM, RAMBUS, EEC-RAM, DRAM, etc. floating out there. It's just habit, and it doesn't necessarily destroy the accuracy or technical merits of the text.
I have been running out of space lately, even with my CM7 a2sd+
Was considering getting another ROM which has data2sd, but luckily I found another way. A much better way.
There is a free app on the Android Market called simple2ext.
Now if you are running CM7 and have an ext4 partition, use this app to transfer all your apps, your davlik and cache (data is possible, but not recommended) to that ext4 partition, and your phone will think everything is still on phone memory. That means, yes, widgets can be used while they are installed on your SD. I now run 80% free phone memory
Well happy. I even donated the gold donation ($5) to the developer of simple2ext.
Thanks for the tipp. Will try it!
Klewe
In the thread for cyanogenmod 7 you find a nice thread for this program:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=917377
There is also given another possibility, which i would prefer:
Legacy App2SD Addon Script
This is an absolutely priceless app! It has saved me the nightmare of constantly seeing the low memory warning. Now I can save as many apps to my Desire as I want!
Note: make sure you set your target destination for app downloads to internal. The app takes care of the rest for you.
Many thanks to the Dev
Excellent!
At some points I was thinking about throwing my Desire out the window. Now it's like a completely different phone.
It helps, but if u try another HBOOT, you will get more space without slowing the phone down. But its more risky
My handset is still lightning fast without another hboot
I think this is quicker, neater and easier for the same result
Personal preference though
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There is a multiboot option for Galaxy S4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2417600
Can anyone port it to Grand?
This would be quite helpful if we want to dual boot TW and other roms without dual sim functionality
vinaychandra said:
There is a multiboot option for Galaxy S4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2417600
Can anyone port it to Grand?
This would be quite helpful if we want to dual boot TW and other roms without dual sim functionality
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Iam on ur side .... I really wanted DAT ..... Developers must be interested in this ......
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Good thought bro
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S4 has vast internal memory my friend so multiboot can handle the storage in our case it's beter to have single boot cuz we have less ram less internal and even less processing speed comparing to S4
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Grand only has 8GB internal, how do you expect 2 ROMs to fit inside such a small memory? By doing so, you will decrease the storage space of application apk/data.
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Grand only has 8GB internal, how do you expect 2 ROMs to fit inside such a small memory? By doing so, you will decrease the storage space of application apk/data.
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Haaa 8 GB? I only have 4 GB
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Haaa 8 GB? I only have 4 GB
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That's the thing. from 8GB storage, 4GB is used by the Android OS to allocate its different partitions (data, system, cache etc.) and the rest is used by the user (sdcard0). Installing 2 different OSes will left you with 1GB or less user-usable storage. This may be more feasible on a phone with 16/32GB internal storage.
exactly that's what I said.... ur mobile will only get slower by doing this... It's not a laptop and doesn't have that much power to sustain two os-es at the same tym
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@vinaychandra why have you posted two same threads in the same section asking the same question
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@vinaychandra why have you posted two same threads in the same section asking the same question
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Sorry. One of the posts was actually in Themes and Apps. But I dont know how to change it into Q & A and thus created another thread here. Meanwhile someone else has shifted the other thread here. And hence two threads.
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Grand only has 8GB internal, how do you expect 2 ROMs to fit inside such a small memory? By doing so, you will decrease the storage space of application apk/data.
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Fitting the roms inside that memory is not a huge problem. 4gb or 3gb is lot more than sufficient for one more rom excluding the current TW rom. But when it comes to apks, we can always use a mount on ext-sd. So decreasing the storage space of app data is not a problem.
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exactly that's what I said.... ur mobile will only get slower by doing this... It's not a laptop and doesn't have that much power to sustain two os-es at the same tym
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Sorry, but do you have any idea that multiple os doesn't require extra computational power?
They are run one at a time and never at the same time. So there is no meaning of "sustaining" as in running multiple applications at the same time.
vinaychandra said:
Sorry, but do you have any idea that multiple os doesn't require extra computational power?
They are run one at a time and never at the same time. So there is no meaning of "sustaining" as in running multiple applications at the same time.
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You are absolutely right about the fact that it wouldn't require extra computational power, so the CPU/RAM is not the issue.
vinaychandra said:
Fitting the roms inside that memory is not a huge problem. 4gb or 3gb is lot more than sufficient for one more rom excluding the current TW rom. But when it comes to apks, we can always use a mount on ext-sd. So decreasing the storage space of app data is not a problem.
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The TW ROM is generally 700+Mb in size and grows over a 800-900Mb after installation and initialization. And the AOSP ROM is about 200Mb plus 130Mb of GApps take up about 330Mb and would grow to say 400Mb. But you would need busybox for sure, so add 300 Mb to that. Bringing the total of AOSP ROM to around 700 Mb and TW to 1.2Gb. This is just the /system folder.
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(/system folder on Resurrection 4.4.2 with bloat-wares removed and complete busybox installed)
If you consider the /data folder for the application data, installing only a handful of applications and using them brings the size close to 1.5-2Gb WITHOUT installing any games. This isn't the apk size, but their libs and data combined. This is same for both TW and AOSP.
(/data folder with /data/app containing 55 user applications sized at 304Mb, no games)
So essentially we would need about 4 GB just for /data folders
Most of this data can be moved to ext-SD but would need scripts and SWAP kernel support.
And with dual boot it won't be an option but a necessity, because with our device's storage it won't be possible to have two data folders without running out of memory on a near-clean install of the two ROMs.
So my opinion is, Dual Boot should be possible for our device but would be really unwise to do it with 4Gb internal space since it would make the device completely dependent on Mounting the data folder on to the external card.
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You are absolutely right about the fact that it wouldn't require extra computational power, so the CPU/RAM is not the issue.
The TW ROM is generally 700+Mb in size and grows over a 800-900Mb after installation and initialization. And the AOSP ROM is about 200Mb plus 130Mb of GApps take up about 330Mb and would grow to say 400Mb. But you would need busybox for sure, so add 300 Mb to that. Bringing the total of AOSP ROM to around 700 Mb and TW to 1.2Gb. This is just the /system folder.
View attachment 2551906 (/system folder on Resurrection 4.4.2 with bloat-wares removed and complete busybox installed)
If you consider the /data folder for the application data, installing only a handful of applications and using them brings the size close to 1.5-2Gb WITHOUT installing any games. This isn't the apk size, but their libs and data combined. This is same for both TW and AOSP.
View attachment 2551905 (/data folder with /data/app containing 55 user applications sized at 304Mb, no games)
So essentially we would need about 4 GB just for /data folders
Most of this data can be moved to ext-SD but would need scripts and SWAP kernel support.
And with dual boot it won't be an option but a necessity, because with our device's storage it won't be possible to have two data folders without running out of memory on a near-clean install of the two ROMs.
So my opinion is, Dual Boot should be possible for our device but would be really stupid to do it with 4Gb internal space since it would make the device completely dependent on Mounting the data folder on to the external card.
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That is a good one. But I have this idea. Please change me if I am wrong.
The thread actually says it requires 1 GB of free space for second rom.
App sharing is supported between ROMs. Thus another factor "installing apps on both" may go down.Even Data Sharing between roms (experimrntal) SWAP kernel support is already given for some kernels posted in development section.
Most of us use an ext-sd card. So using it for a few hundred MB may no be a problem both for devs and users.
But on the flip side consider the biggest advantage over many other communities. We can use both dual sim and also have an experience at a distance of just a reboot.
I agree that we are going to rest a lot on the ext-sd. But given the advantages and possibilities we have, in my opinion, it is worth everything.
vinaychandra said:
That is a good one. But I have this idea. Please change me if I am wrong.
The thread actually says it requires 1 GB of free space for second rom.
App sharing is supported between ROMs. Thus another factor "installing apps on both" may go down.Even Data Sharing between roms (experimrntal) SWAP kernel support is already given for some kernels posted in development section.
Most of us use an ext-sd card. So using it for a few hundred MB may no be a problem both for devs and users.
But on the flip side consider the biggest advantage over many other communities. We can use both dual sim and also have an experience at a distance of just a reboot.
I agree that we are going to rest a lot on the ext-sd. But given the advantages and possibilities we have, in my opinion, it is worth everything.
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Umm, the link in your first post seems to be broken, but I just looked at the thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2417600
Yes the thread does say 1GB free with everything (GApps and ROM) accounted for, like I mentioned above and that app sharing and data sharing is being supported, so that would bring the memory pressure down.
But you have to consider that simply making dual boot available would take a lot of time and effort, but porting the whole experimental concept of app and data sharing between two ROMs would be a lot of work.
I personally don't need the second SIM slot and I hate TW look, not to mention I prefer not using mounting scripts to ext-sd, causes instability and reduces performance speed in my opinion.
But yea for those who absolutely need dual-sim and want to try using AOSP ROMs having dual support would be really good, if some developer is willing to work on it. I think Multiboot is out of the question but dual boot should work with our current memory if users don't mind compromising a good part of their memory card space to the Android OS.
By the way, I checked xenon92's, TripRex's as well as both k2wl's kernels, none of them list SWAP support but yea it can be done.
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Umm, the link in your first post seems to be broken, but I just looked at the thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2417600
Yes the thread does say 1GB free with everything (GApps and ROM) accounted for, like I mentioned above and that app sharing and data sharing is being supported, so that would bring the memory pressure down.
But you have to consider that simply making dual boot available would take a lot of time and effort, but porting the whole experimental concept of app and data sharing between two ROMs would be a lot of work.
I personally don't need the second SIM slot and I hate TW look, not to mention I prefer not using mounting scripts to ext-sd, causes instability and reduces performance speed in my opinion.
But yea for those who absolutely need dual-sim and want to try using AOSP ROMs having dual support would be really good, if some developer is willing to work on it. I think Multiboot is out of the question but dual boot should work with our current memory if users don't mind compromising a good part of their memory card space to the Android OS.
By the way, I checked xenon92's, TripRex's as well as both k2wl's kernels, none of them list SWAP support but yea it can be done.
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I do not know in detail how porting works, but I want to know a few things.
Considering both S4 and Grand are from samsung, they may follow the same boot patterns and other things which could make it easy to port. I know that both hardwares are different and may pose a problem.
Data and app sharing may be a bit easy (again, i dont know for sure) because 'both are samsung' and may not require too much code changes because it is more on software side rather than on the hardware side.
Dual sim usage is one of the most desired functionality of the Grand community although many of us hate TW run. There is no other go currently for Touchwiz for using this feature.
Mounting scripts to ext-sd reduces performance speed but can become tolerable by using Class 10 sd cards.
I agree that multiboot is really out of question but Dual boot? I think many of us prefer it. This might take some time, but creating it could make this one of the best developments of the Galaxy Grand device. :good:
vinaychandra said:
I do not know in detail how porting works, but I want to know a few things.
Considering both S4 and Grand are from samsung, they may follow the same boot patterns and other things which could make it easy to port. I know that both hardwares are different and may pose a problem.
Data and app sharing may be a bit easy (again, i dont know for sure) because 'both are samsung' and may not require too much code changes because it is more on software side rather than on the hardware side.
Dual sim usage is one of the most desired functionality of the Grand community although many of us hate TW run. There is no other go currently for Touchwiz for using this feature.
Mounting scripts to ext-sd reduces performance speed but can become tolerable by using Class 10 sd cards.
I agree that multiboot is really out of question but Dual boot? I think many of us prefer it. This might take some time, but creating it could make this one of the best developments of the Galaxy Grand device. :good:
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The fact that both are Samsung only helps to vendor specific code which is not that much, but majorly both kernels are based on android code, using linux and java.
The thing about kernels is that even though both might be programmed similarly, they would have significant differences, because a kernel is an interactive software that decides how the AndroidOS uses the hardware. That's why all kernels are hardware specific.
Regarding data and app sharing, I'm not sure how they are doing that or what code they are using to limit the apps so I can't comment on how it's gonna be for us. That's something the developer who decides to look into this for our device will tell.
No, currently only TW based ROMs are supporting dual SIM till we have broadcomm drivers in open-source or CM team successfully implements their own.
I am using a class 10 card, and most members here already do too. Performance difference is always gonna be there because it's data sharing between two different storage devices (internal memory and external) instead of one. And yea class 10's higher read/write speed should make it tolerable but there will always be lag every now and then because your ext-SD will always be mounted and will be accessed as OS extension as well as a storage space
vinaychandra said:
Sorry. One of the posts was actually in Themes and Apps. But I dont know how to change it into Q & A and thus created another thread here. Meanwhile someone else has shifted the other thread here. And hence two threads.
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I was ask moderator to move your thread
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Hello,
I'm currently running Carbon Nightly Rom (CARBON-JB-NIGHTLY-20131117-1645) with kernel 3.0.64-CM-gd6f2f4a and I'm having massive issues with RAM and Storage. I've taken screenshots to get my point across as best as I can.
I'm strangely receiving abnormally low free RAM. Whenever I type a long text or a long paragraph, the programme i'm using will crash, giving the error "Whoops! ______ Has Crashed". I'm pretty sure this is because I'm running out of memory but I have all recent apps closed and I've looked at what apps I have running and there doesn't seem to be anything too extravagant.
The other major problem I'm getting is my internal phone storage. I have the 16GB internal storage model and after flashing my custom ROM(s) (Including gapps) I've ran all the way down to 10.46GB? Leaving only my phone 2GB or so leverage meaning I have to transfer photos and downloads, etc to my SD card a lot more frequently which Is becoming quite a nuisance. I don't have a ton of apps on my phone, and the ones that are on there are all used. Only 2.78GB of apps.
I really would like to get this fixed as I use my phone pretty much 24/7 and I just find the minor issues being the most annoying as you can imagine having to transfer every photo you take to your SD card every day(almost) as well as some apps crashing due to insufficient memory. I'd greatly appreciate your help!
Due to unable to post links, I've attached 2 screenshots that just show my problems.
Many Thanks!
destination184 said:
Hello,
I'm currently running Carbon Nightly Rom (CARBON-JB-NIGHTLY-20131117-1645) with kernel 3.0.64-CM-gd6f2f4a and I'm having massive issues with RAM and Storage. I've taken screenshots to get my point across as best as I can.
I'm strangely receiving abnormally low free RAM. Whenever I type a long text or a long paragraph, the programme i'm using will crash, giving the error "Whoops! ______ Has Crashed". I'm pretty sure this is because I'm running out of memory but I have all recent apps closed and I've looked at what apps I have running and there doesn't seem to be anything too extravagant.
The other major problem I'm getting is my internal phone storage. I have the 16GB internal storage model and after flashing my custom ROM(s) (Including gapps) I've ran all the way down to 10.46GB? Leaving only my phone 2GB or so leverage meaning I have to transfer photos and downloads, etc to my SD card a lot more frequently which Is becoming quite a nuisance. I don't have a ton of apps on my phone, and the ones that are on there are all used. Only 2.78GB of apps.
I really would like to get this fixed as I use my phone pretty much 24/7 and I just find the minor issues being the most annoying as you can imagine having to transfer every photo you take to your SD card every day(almost) as well as some apps crashing due to insufficient memory. I'd greatly appreciate your help!
Due to unable to post links, I've attached 2 screenshots that just show my problems.
Many Thanks!
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Looking at the screen shots, my observation is that RAM is not the real issue here. It may be high considering you are running non-TW rom. However RAM usage in all TW ROMs also shows similar usage levels and they run perfectly on N7100.
JBY said:
Looking at the screen shots, my observation is that RAM is not the real issue here. It may be high considering you are running non-TW rom. However RAM usage in all TW ROMs also shows similar usage levels and they run perfectly on N7100.
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I'm sorry but I'm quite noob at this! TWO ROMs? Could you elaborate and explain what these are and how they differ?
I was almost certain it was the RAM. Other people using same phone are using about 500MB just on applications. Mine is twice that? If I've got a handful of apps open, eventually one will crash, and keep crashing, how I fix it is simply clear my recent apps? Then it works fine again until there's too many recent apps again? I was certain it was RAM related because of it saying such low RAM when I had several apps open.
If it's not a problem with RAM, could you suggest on what it could be?
Cheers
destination184 said:
I'm sorry but I'm quite noob at this! TWO ROMs? Could you elaborate and explain what these are and how they differ?
I was almost certain it was the RAM. Other people using same phone are using about 500MB just on applications. Mine is twice that? If I've got a handful of apps open, eventually one will crash, and keep crashing, how I fix it is simply clear my recent apps? Then it works fine again until there's too many recent apps again? I was certain it was RAM related because of it saying such low RAM when I had several apps open.
If it's not a problem with RAM, could you suggest on what it could be?
Cheers
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TW: Touchwiz (Samsung stock based) I mean.
As I write, my RAM usage on my N7100 shows 1.33GB and the device is running perfectly. I am using TW based DN3 ROM with Note3 and S5 features (heavily loaded!)
Please install any other ROM and see and how your device performs. Also try TW based ROMs.
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TW: Touchwiz (Samsung stock based) I mean.
As I write, my RAM usage on my N7100 shows 1.33GB and the device is running perfectly. I am using TW based DN3 ROM with Note3 and S5 features (heavily loaded!)
Please install any other ROM and see and how your device performs. Also try TW based ROMs.
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I'm using about 1.4GB with no recent apps (Thats just applications RAM) I have about 300-200MB RAM free which I thought was really low.
If I install a new ROM, wouldn't this effect my storage problem? With only 10.46GB left, Installing new ROMs will make this number get smaller and smaller right? Is there a way to remove software that Isn't being used?
Thanks!
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I Installed DiskInfo to see if I could find out where all this storage is being taken from. It's reporting that I'm using 7.7GB of data in the /data folder.
(Take a look at attachment for screenshot). So I had a look at this folder in ES File Explorer and the "dalvik-cache" folder says it's taking 448.26MB. Is this an abnormal amount? What would happen If I were to clear the dalvik-cache? In /data there is a folder which is titled 'backup' (/data/backup) but that is only 3.08KB so I don't think it's a backup taking the space.However, In the folder /data there is another folder named 'data' (/data/data) and this says its having 601.19MB within it.
I really would like to free up some internal storage but it only says that my internal storage is 10GB on a 16GB phone. Yes it was around 16GB before installing a new ROM.
destination184 said:
update:
I Installed DiskInfo to see if I could find out where all this storage is being taken from. It's reporting that I'm using 7.7GB of data in the /data folder.
(Take a look at attachment for screenshot). So I had a look at this folder in ES File Explorer and the "dalvik-cache" folder says it's taking 448.26MB. Is this an abnormal amount? What would happen If I were to clear the dalvik-cache? In /data there is a folder which is titled 'backup' (/data/backup) but that is only 3.08KB so I don't think it's a backup taking the space.However, In the folder /data there is another folder named 'data' (/data/data) and this says its having 601.19MB within it.
I really would like to free up some internal storage but it only says that my internal storage is 10GB on a 16GB phone. Yes it was around 16GB before installing a new ROM.
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You can clear cache and Dalvik cache from recovery.
System (ROM) will take 4-6GB space on on 16GB. Only balance will be available for you for apps and other data.
Meanwhile I guess you had wiped cachet/dalvik cache with every ROM installation. I suggest you test another rom and see the difference.
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You can clear cache and Dalvik cache from recovery.
System (ROM) will take 4-6GB space on on 16GB. Only balance will be available for you for apps and other data.
Meanwhile I guess you had wiped cachet/dalvik cache with every ROM installation. I suggest you test another rom and see the difference.
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I cleared dalvik cache and applications cache. Didn't get much memory back as it reoptimized the apps after clearing the cache! I went around and unistalled apps I don't use. I didn't really want to result In it because I do use them, just not as frequently. But I got my internal storage space up to 4GB free.
As for RAM, I've not had much luck. Still using a ridiculous amount of memory with apps crashing whenever there is to much going on. I have to write in small sentences, send, small sentence, send, small sentence as a long paragraph etc would make the application crash, when I reopen the app, all the text would have gone. So this is starting to become a pain!
Any other suggestions that anyone can put forward?