Recently purchased Joying's updated android head unit. MTCD board.
First off I kinda knew what I was getting myself into. I had low hopes. So far there isnt much thats changing that view.
I ordered it through Joying-USA not Joying to get that US support.
Communication. So far I haven't had to deal with really bad broken English. Quick replies. Plus doctorman is on here aswell.
Shipping, Standard packaging. Basic non presentable packing. See Pic here
Condition, I guess these units arent new because mine was either clearly used or didnt take care of it during QA
See Pic here
Onto the device
Accessories
GPS- External Active Antenna (ZDXW SGS) 3meters- You can swap out the gps for another active antenna such as shark fins.
External mic. 3meters. Basic non-branded 3.5mm mic.
Internal mic is on the front panel. Most callers usually can hear me from here.
screws - For mounting unit onto aftermarket brackets. Extra screws for grounding to chassis.
Thumb Drive - 8gb generic usb 2.0
Display
LCD- Cowin 10.1 HI424560108C TFT 60pin
Digitizer - Goodix GT9271
FPC Breakout- 3863-LCD TFT v02 11/11/15
TFT is TFT( its one of the later gen panels that dont suffer from horrible viewing angles) IPS panel would help this immensely.
Display change: the SOC can support Dual-panel display up to 2048x1536 resolution. Other rk3188 tablets have 1080 screens. Sadly for us since Joying wont support higher resolution, since locked in kernel. Without source code resolution will remain.
Its alright. Has decent viewing angles but because its a super cheap panel to make the digitizer and lcd are seperated by a good amount of room.
Cons of separated panels. Dust/particles get stuck underneath glass. wont know how it'll how up in extreme humidity. Pros, easier to replace only lcd or only digitizer. Should be cheaper too.
its a 5 touch display so its very old model as most touch screens now a days are 10 point. response of the display is garbage. Not as bad as early gen tablets but with only 1gb of ram youll be seeing a slow down rather quickly.
Ghosting, pretty much when your off center you'll see the ghosting of the letters due to the separation of digitizer and lcd.
Feels more like a resistive screen vs capactive since it doesnt always capture my input.
Reverse action/cam. Not yet tested
Colors. Saturated colors. need to do more testing.
OOBE: No First Time experience. Since they install apks manually instead of sideloading or making custom roms they are installed after OOBE.
Pirated apps. Sygic comes preinstalled with folders. Have no verified all files within loaded folder.
Spyware/Malware - have not digged through all the system to see if anything out of the ordinary was added.
SystemUI.apk is completely modified so verification is needed.
Developers option to enable usb debugging is not available due to modifications to apk.
Launcher: Garbage. Really slow. Any third party launch instantly improved speed.
If anyone's interested in pics let me know what you need.
Memory, maybe with some optimization I might get more of this unit but so far the conclusion is that 1gb sucks. 2gb should be standard if not more.
Storage:
Board might take another USB port as header is available(i think). 2gb app storage. 16gb nand storage(so soldered on memory). Hidden SD card mount (Have no tested 128gb limit yet) is on the break out board. Joying claims decision was made to not get damaged by the Front panel. But since the front panel is pretty custom he/they choose the cheap/easy way and putting it inside. Putting the sd card on the side bezel would be ideal.
CPU. I knew the Rk3188 was weak but I didnt think it was this weak.
Try running the preinstalled sygic map, just move around the map and notice the lag.
I mainly bought it to run sygic and poweramp if it cant handle sygic I dont know if it can handle anything else.
Conclusion: TL;dr
Not worth it at this price point. Maybe at under $200 .
Maybe through optimization you can squeeze some more life but as is, its a device that feels like it came out in 2013/2014(which is when this SOC came out). It feels like I got a cheap china tablet again that Ill eventually replace with a more powerful one because if it cant do simple things like play music and move maps then whats the point?
Competitors. Some offer cheap 3d printed faces. No english. No support at still the same price.
Actual stereo recievers. Alpine/Kenwood/Pioneer with android auto and back up cam cost at least $1,000. So this obviously seems like a better choice but both are really the same. Companies milking their inventory.
I like most others would have gladly paid $1,000 or more for a high end head unit with good support. But none exist.
I still have to see what else I can optimize before I give up on the little guy so stay posted.
RECOVERY:
VIA:STEROD
Enter ADB Root Mode in the factory menu by pressing *#hct#root#
Install Kingo Root
Install SuperSU Me (which replaces Kingo Root with SuperSU)
Update SuperSU through the app to latest binary.
CWM might work here but have not tested to see if bootloader is locked. (CAUTION may cause brick)
http://androtab.info/clockworkmod/rockchip/
To enter factory recovery, either download an app like Quick Reboot (which allows you to select recovery on next reboot) or to do it with a paperclip, you press and hold down the RST button first, then while still holding it down, use another paperclip to press and hold down PWR. Release RST while still holding down power, then release power when the screen comes on and it should go into recovery.
ADB: So far I have only been able to use ADB wifi
Update Files/Backup: Figured out how to unpack and pack update files (hopefully I can get a rom out)
Nandroid: Possible
ADB Backup: Possible
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Mods List to do list
-Move SD Card slot.
-Add additional usb cable
-Replace TFT with IPS and see resolution limits. (1024x600 might be the limit due to JY lack of dev time, not in kernel)
-Swap with 2GB board (supposed upgrade coming I'm assuming at cost)
-AOSP Theme
Soft Mods:
-Improve Display. Open Display, properly tape digitzer to LCD to prevent light leak. Cover or add a back panel to prevent dust and particles from blowing in due to its over sized nature vents will hit from behind.
-Backup any proprietary apps you might want and factory reset the tablet after arriving. Manually reinstall apps of your choosing. This adds slight improvement in boot up and responsiveness.
transitoyspace said:
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Mods List to do list
-Move SD Card slot.
-Add additional usb cable
-Replace TFT with IPS and see resolution limits.
-Swap with 2GB board
-AOSP Theme
Soft Mods:
-Improve Display. Open Display, properly tape digitzer to LCD to prevent light leak. Cover or add a back panel to prevent dust and particles from blowing in due to its over sized nature vents will hit from behind.
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Thank you for the review..
I get these new from china, the packaging is to protect the head unit in shipping but not made for gifting as you mentioned.
I open my every unit and test all options as much as I can and update the ROM to the latest version and I also remove the nav app or other 3rd party apps as I am not sure how they are licensed with Joying china, I guess I forgot to wipe data during the ROM update of your unit. I use NavMii, iGo , waze and they have worked fine on this. not a fan of sygic personally.
At this price range this is one of the better units you can get.
I stand by my customers so if you have any issue I will make sure to have it fixed.
As for the RAM, Joying is developing the 2GB RAM modules, unfortunately no ETA yet.
For general use of a head unit the RK3188 does the job, I have the old 4.4.4 RK3188 in my car for the past year or so and I am very happy with it, but again I only use it for radio, video, music and occasional youtube and browsing.
the 10" tablet model has the SD card inside to avoid hitting the back of scren, that is teh answer I got when I asked Joying about the location of the SD card.
I agree with you that is not the best idea to hide the SD card slot.
when I get a chance will test that 3rd plug see if a 3rd USB port would work on it , not sure why they added it.
I use a powered USB hub with BC1.2 which is much better than connecting the usb devices to the unit directly. fully charged phones while connected to the USB hub.
The space between touch and LCD makes the repair much easier and cheaper. I have not had any issues with dust but even if you get dust it is very easy to clean.
let us know if you change the screen to IPS.
These units will see big improvement once we can get donate a mtcD head unit to Malaysk and get his ROM going.
doctorman said:
Thank you for the review..
I get these new from china, the packaging is to protect the head unit in shipping but not made for gifting as you mentioned.
I open my every unit and test all options as much as I can and update the ROM to the latest version and I also remove the nav app or other 3rd party apps as I am not sure how they are licensed with Joying china, I guess I forgot to wipe data during the ROM update of your unit. I use NavMii, iGo , waze and they have worked fine on this. not a fan of sygic personally.
At this price range this is one of the better units you can get.
I stand by my customers so if you have any issue I will make sure to have it fixed.
As for the RAM, Joying is developing the 2GB RAM modules, unfortunately no ETA yet.
For general use of a head unit the RK3188 does the job, I have the old 4.4.4 RK3188 in my car for the past year or so and I am very happy with it, but again I only use it for radio, video, music and occasional youtube and browsing.
the 10" tablet model has the SD card inside to avoid hitting the back of scren, that is teh answer I got when I asked Joying about the location of the SD card.
I agree with you that is not the best idea to hide the SD card slot.
when I get a chance will test that 3rd plug see if a 3rd USB port would work on it , not sure why they added it.
I use a powered USB hub with BC1.2 which is much better than connecting the usb devices to the unit directly. fully charged phones while connected to the USB hub.
These units will see big improvement once we can get donate a mtcD head unit to Malaysk and get his ROM going.
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Hey I was not trying to bash or make a negative post. Like I said I have faith that I can make this little guy work, ive done to cheap phones and tablets before.
So far my communication with you has been pleasant and very responsive, I have not left an amazon feedback yet (i will)) since Im still testing it as we speak.
BTW clearing cache sped it up a lil which means I know i can optimize this. So its not terrible, but it could be better for the amount of money.
transitoyspace said:
Hey I was not trying to bash or make a negative post. Like I said I have faith that I can make this little guy work, ive done to cheap phones and tablets before.
So far my communication with you has been pleasant and very responsive, I have not left an amazon feedback yet (i will)) since Im still testing it as we speak.
BTW clearing cache sped it up a lil which means I know i can optimize this. So its not terrible, but it could be better for the amount of money.
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I do really appreciate your review. I like people to know exactly what they are buying.
I am sure these can do better, they were just launched and updates are coming out often.
I personally still recommend the old mtcB units since there is so much more support and apps and development for them.
did you notice a faster boot with your unit. I had 10 seconds boot time at times (not installed in car).
with mtcB RK3066 I got 33 seconds
with mtcB RK3188 I got 19 seconds
doctorman said:
I do really appreciate your review. I like people to know exactly what they are buying.
I am sure these can do better, they were just launched and updates are coming out often.
I personally still recommend the old mtcB units since there is so much more support and apps and development for them.
did you notice a faster boot with your unit. I had 10 seconds boot time at times (not installed in car).
with mtcB RK3066 I got 33 seconds
with mtcB RK3188 I got 19 seconds
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I never had another android head unit. But after clearing cache/factory reset boot time, system responsiveness, and even touch all seemed much better.
So kingo for root is the only method huh?
What about custom recovery/stock recovery?
Ive tried multiple paperclip sequences with no luck to get into stock recovery, just finished downloading update image for ui fix. will see how that helps.
transitoyspace said:
I never had another android head unit. But after clearing cache/factory reset boot time, system responsiveness, and even touch all seemed much better.
So kingo for root is the only method huh?
What about custom recovery/stock recovery?
Ive tried multiple paperclip sequences with no luck to get into stock recovery, just finished downloading update image for ui fix. will see how that helps.
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you can update that in your OP above.
I don't know of a rooting method for these as I have not played around with them much.
certainly no custom recovery for them.
Enter ADB Root Mode in the factory menu by pressing *#hct#root#
Install Kingo Root
Install SuperSU Me (which replaces Kingo Root with SuperSU)
Update SuperSU through the app to latest binary.
There is no custom recovery that works.
To enter factory recovery, either download an app like Quick Reboot (which allows you to select recovery on next reboot) or to do it with a paperclip, you press and hold down the RST button first, then while still holding it down, use another paperclip to press and hold down PWR. Release RST while still holding down power, then release power when the screen comes on and it should go into recovery.
sterod said:
Enter ADB Root Mode in the factory menu by pressing *#hct#root#
Install Kingo Root
Install SuperSU Me (which replaces Kingo Root with SuperSU)
Update SuperSU through the app to latest binary.
There is no custom recovery that works.
To enter factory recovery, either download an app like Quick Reboot (which allows you to select recovery on next reboot) or to do it with a paperclip, you press and hold down the RST button first, then while still holding it down, use another paperclip to press and hold down PWR. Release RST while still holding down power, then release power when the screen comes on and it should go into recovery.
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Thanks for the info...
see if you can add this info to the OP
I have two Joying radios. I have the one in this review, the 10.1 running 5.1.1, and a 7" running 4.4.4. The only thing I don't like about the 5.1.1 is it is very noticeably slower. I think it's the operating system itself. It uses up way too much ram without any programs installed. All I have installed on my 5.1.1 is PowerAmp, Pandora, IHeartRadio, Amazon Player, and Morecast. I have all those plus about 6 more apps on my 4.4.4. At rest, the 5.1.1 is using 788MB of RAM. If Iaunch a music app or Google Maps that number goes much higher. My 4.4.4 version is using only 520MB of RAM at rest. Even with Pandora and Google Maps, it rarely goes over 700MB. The 5.1.1 radios desperately need 2GB of RAM. 1GB is fine for the 4.4.4 but the 5.1.1 can barely handle it. Overall, it works, you just have to make sure you complete close out apps. I use the app Greenify to shut them all down automatically so they aren't running in the background. Great radio, love the display, it just really needs 2GB of RAM.
TransAmMan said:
Great radio, love the display, it just really needs 2GB of RAM.
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Completely agreed. Ive already increased speed be removing a couple of things. Its possible to make this a decent head unit but like I said above. Max price should be $200USD nothing more. Maybe an extra 50 for shipping but thats it. The kit kat units that sell for under $300 are honestly priced. Not the 10.1(at least the MTCD)
PS. Liked your video. Nice car too.
transitoyspace said:
PS. Liked your video. Nice car too.
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Thanks,
Have you tried any offline GPS software on the 5.1? I tried IGo from Joying but it says "not compatible with 1200x528". I was able to get IGo to install when I had my 10.1" Joying with 4.4.4. I was able to install Sygic but it seems like the radio really lags when Sygic is installed. I've tried many times. Most of the time I just use Google Maps but never know if you're in an area without an internet connection.
I'm going to try disabling a few other stock apps like the weather and try and squeeze out every bit of RAM I can. Best part of the 5.1 is the screen dims when you turn your headlights on. I'm amazed all their radios don't do that. I have talked with Joying customer service quite a bit. When it comes to customer service, they're awesome. Probably the best company I've ever dealt with. They did say they'll be releasing a 2GB RAM version in about 6 months. Possibly even an octa-core as well. When those come out, I'll definitely be upgrading.
transitoyspace said:
Completely agreed. Ive already increased speed be removing a couple of things. Its possible to make this a decent head unit but like I said above. Max price should be $200USD nothing more. Maybe an extra 50 for shipping but thats it. The kit kat units that sell for under $300 are honestly priced. Not the 10.1(at least the MTCD)
PS. Liked your video. Nice car too.
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Thanks for the review and dev support for it too. I got the 5.1.1 version for $220 from someone on ebay so I got it for way lower. I hooked it up to my car I'm working on and noticed the lack of sound. Kernel needs a volume boost for sure. I maxed out my Amp gain and It was still low. If you can work with that also, that would be greatly appreciated. I have a American Bass crossover for the meantime.
TransAmMan said:
Thanks,
Have you tried any offline GPS software on the 5.1? I tried IGo from Joying but it says "not compatible with 1200x528". I was able to get IGo to install when I had my 10.1" Joying with 4.4.4. I was able to install Sygic but it seems like the radio really lags when Sygic is installed. I've tried many times. Most of the time I just use Google Maps but never know if you're in an area without an internet connection.
I'm going to try disabling a few other stock apps like the weather and try and squeeze out every bit of RAM I can. Best part of the 5.1 is the screen dims when you turn your headlights on. I'm amazed all their radios don't do that. I have talked with Joying customer service quite a bit. When it comes to customer service, they're awesome. Probably the best company I've ever dealt with. They did say they'll be releasing a 2GB RAM version in about 6 months. Possibly even an octa-core as well. When those come out, I'll definitely be upgrading.
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I had commented on your vid too, nice Trans. I have a Prix. I just took my dash bezel off and am going to mold it into the dash eventually.
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Looks like there's a new update for the 5.1.1 units. I installed the April 30th update and the unit appears to run faster. At rest it's using about 75mb less RAM too (just an average after multiple reboots and shutting down all installed applications. The shut down delay bug was fixed. I haven't tried the back up camera or radio presets yet. This was the link that Joying gave me. https://www.carjoying.com/Joying-blog/42.html
TransAmMan said:
Thanks,
Have you tried any offline GPS software on the 5.1? I tried IGo from Joying but it says "not compatible with 1200x528". I was able to get IGo to install when I had my 10.1" Joying with 4.4.4. I was able to install Sygic but it seems like the radio really lags when Sygic is installed. I've tried many times. Most of the time I just use Google Maps but never know if you're in an area without an internet connection.
I'm going to try disabling a few other stock apps like the weather and try and squeeze out every bit of RAM I can. Best part of the 5.1 is the screen dims when you turn your headlights on. I'm amazed all their radios don't do that. I have talked with Joying customer service quite a bit. When it comes to customer service, they're awesome. Probably the best company I've ever dealt with. They did say they'll be releasing a 2GB RAM version in about 6 months. Possibly even an octa-core as well. When those come out, I'll definitely be upgrading.
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Sorry just saw this, I tried paid version of sygic(not the pirated one that comes preloaded). Overall anything with GPU causes slowdown. So moving maps around is sluggish but actual display when navigating was fine. Though switch apps sucks due to low memory. Im going to try here maps since its more minimal it make work faster. So far I have not gotten resolution incompatibility.
TransAmMan said:
Thanks,
Have you tried any offline GPS software on the 5.1? I tried IGo from Joying but it says "not compatible with 1200x528". I was able to get IGo to install when I had my 10.1" Joying with 4.4.4. I was able to install Sygic but it seems like the radio really lags when Sygic is installed. I've tried many times. Most of the time I just use Google Maps but never know if you're in an area without an internet connection.
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Have you tried downloading the Google Maps for your city? I just did that tonight with my Joying Jeep unit with Android 5.1:
CadillacMike said:
Have you tried downloading the Google Maps for your city? I just did that tonight with my Joying Jeep unit with Android 5.1:
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I posted in another thread but, if you want to shoot the google maps output to a proper external SD card you need to root your device and run FolderMount.
Then you can store an entire metropolis (~1GB) without having to fret too much about space.
transitoyspace said:
RECOVERY:
VIA:STEROD
Enter ADB Root Mode in the factory menu by pressing *#hct#root#
Install Kingo Root
Install SuperSU Me (which replaces Kingo Root with SuperSU)
Update SuperSU through the app to latest binary.
CWM might work here but have not tested to see if bootloader is locked. (CAUTION may cause brick)
http://androtab.info/clockworkmod/rockchip/
To enter factory recovery, either download an app like Quick Reboot (which allows you to select recovery on next reboot) or to do it with a paperclip, you press and hold down the RST button first, then while still holding it down, use another paperclip to press and hold down PWR. Release RST while still holding down power, then release power when the screen comes on and it should go into recovery.
ADB: So far I have only been able to use ADB wifi
Update Files/Backup: Figured out how to unpack and pack update files (hopefully I can get a rom out)
Nandroid: Possible
ADB Backup: Possible
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Mods List to do list
-Move SD Card slot.
-Add additional usb cable
-Replace TFT with IPS and see resolution limits. (1024x600 might be the limit due to JY lack of dev time, not in kernel)
-Swap with 2GB board (supposed upgrade coming I'm assuming at cost)
-AOSP Theme
Soft Mods:
-Improve Display. Open Display, properly tape digitzer to LCD to prevent light leak. Cover or add a back panel to prevent dust and particles from blowing in due to its over sized nature vents will hit from behind.
-Backup any proprietary apps you might want and factory reset the tablet after arriving. Manually reinstall apps of your choosing. This adds slight improvement in boot up and responsiveness.
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I have the RAV4 2gb unit and the viewing angle sucks. How do you replace the tft to ips? Is that possible? Cause if it is, I would do it in a heartbeat
How is the subwoofer output? Does it handle well a subwoofer?
Some reviews on Amazon said bad sound if you run a amplifier...
hello
i have same digitizer as you gt9271 goodix on a joying unit . it has not been working lately . can you help me with a link from a supllier if you know one . thnkx
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Hi, I'm mainly from the Samsung Galaxy S 4G forum and I am considering buying this device, before I do I would like to ask a few questions:
1. Just 2x checking, this runs an android ICS port, right? if so is it fully functioning?
2. What is your default clocked processor speed?
3. How much RAM & System memory does this have?
4. Are there any major drawbacks to this device?
5. Would the 7 in. screen be an issue for typing notes during my college classes?
6. Is it possible to mount devices (ex. phone, camera, etc..) through your micro USB port with a type B male to A female USB cable?
7. Does anyone have any major regrets about buying this device?
8. How fragile is this device, compared to most phones? (I just want to make sure it wont shatter after a 3 foot drop since i have a baby brother)
9. How is development? How many active devs do you have? (i just want to make sure I'm not buying a device that has a dead dev section)
10. Does this have expandable memory? (ex. micro sd)
Thank you so much and sorry for the newb like questions, I will remove them as I research tonight if I find some answers to these questions.
Thanks Again!
1.yes
2. Mine is 1008 but its clocked to 1200
3.512 mg
4.internal storage capacity
5.I type fine on it could depend on finger size
6.no not yet
7.none I love my kindle
8. Very sturdy but not indestructible
9. Plenty development is very active
10.no but development is working on USB otg
1. Just 2x checking, this runs an android ICS port, right? if so is it fully functioning?
CM9 ROCKS
2. What is your default clocked processor speed?
most roms overclost @1200
3. How much RAM & System memory does this have?
512
4. Are there any major drawbacks to this device?
Memory
5. Would the 7 in. screen be an issue for typing notes during my college classes?
I am way oldschool when it comes to this.... I use Grafitti for android
6. Is it possible to mount devices (ex. phone, camera, etc..) through your micro USB port with a type B male to A female USB cable?
yes
7. Does anyone have any major regrets about buying this device?
baught as a stepping stone to get soemthing bigger.... good starter device
8. How fragile is this device, compared to most phones? (I just want to make sure it wont shatter after a 3 foot drop since i have a baby brother)
there are loads of shock cases on the market to assist in protection.
9. How is development? How many active devs do you have? (i just want to make sure I'm not buying a device that has a dead dev section)
plenty of developers, new or improved ROMS are released all the time
10. Does this have expandable memory? (ex. micro sd)
not yet
Hope it helps.... emjoy
others have answered the specific questions so here's my take on the general ones:
4. Are there any major drawbacks to this device?
No 3G is a pain in the ass. I feel like I'm limited where I can use this thing fully. If I want to play a little WWF during lunch, I gotta stick to places that have wifi. I can't just whip it out and get directions while out walking, or look something up on the spur of the moment. If you have a phone that can act as a wireless hotspot, this is no biggie.
Also, nothing major but I've found some basic customization and tasks have been a bit harder than expected. It took forever to get a proper screenshot program working... should be built into the OS. I'm still trying to find a randomized wallpaper changer. Little things like that... it seemed like people were on top of this stuff when I looked into customizing my phone.
5. Would the 7 in. screen be an issue for typing notes during my college classes?
I find the screen more than enough to do anything. Feels big and clear. Also, swyping with this thing in portrait mode is perfect, you don't have to be as precise as you would with a phone, but it's not so far between the letters that it slows you down. If you already use swype you'll be golden for note-taking.
7. Does anyone have any major regrets about buying this device?
No, I'm quite pleased with it, and the price is amazing for what you're getting. The lack of 3G still gets on my nerves and I would gladly have paid an extra 50+ bucks to add that functionality.
8. How fragile is this device, compared to most phones? (I just want to make sure it wont shatter after a 3 foot drop since i have a baby brother)
I got a screen protector and a cheapo (like 6-10 buck) carry case. I've dropped it twice from waist level or so and the case kept it fine. I'd say if you get the case you'll be ok, but an unlucky landing facedown onto blacktop might crack the screen or something.
9. How is development? How many active devs do you have? (i just want to make sure I'm not buying a device that has a dead dev section)
I feel like it's pretty good but I don't have much to compare it to. One thing I really liked is the devs made it SOOOO easy to root and install a new rom/os/bootloader/etc. I got the appropriate usb drivers, used the KFU, and in no time I was able to back up my stock image, get a good bootloader going, get a new launcher, get root, and even get some sort of hack that gives you access to both the amazon marketplace and google play store. Most apps I've installed work fine, a handful that were made for the phone do not, but they make it very easy to DL, install, update and uninstall apps.
4. there are some drawbacks:
-no bluetooth
-no volume buttons
-only about 6 GB of useable storage space
-no upgradeable storage (except through mounting something on USB)
I am trying to decide whether I should buy an Archos 80 G9 ( with 16 gb) , or the Nexus 7 .
I heard there are touch screen issues with A80G9 , and also reports of frequent applications crashing/freezing. Have those issues been resolved with software updates from Archos ( or a custom rom ) ? Are A80G9 flimsy so that users can damage them even under normal usage ?
To me the selling point of the A80G9 is its size and the 3G via usb option.
Do A80G9 comes with the 3g USB dongle (that accept a SIM card) ?
xyzdan said:
I am trying to decide whether I should buy an Archos 80 G9 ( with 16 gb) , or the Nexus 7 .
I heard there are touch screen issues with A80G9 , and also reports of frequent applications crashing/freezing. Have those issues been resolved with software updates from Archos ( or a custom rom ) ? Are A80G9 flimsy so that users can damage them even under normal usage ?
To me the selling point of the A80G9 is its size and the 3G via usb option.
Do A80G9 comes with the 3g USB dongle (that accept a SIM card) ?
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I have an 101G9, generally satisfied with it, especially after installing CM9 on it. AFAIK 3G usb sticks are sold separately, Archos ones (natively supported by the G9 on stock ROMs) go for about 50 euro i guess, but trevd has managed to get full support for other 3G sticks (mostly Huawei ones if i'm not mistaken, could be others too) in CM9. So if you have one laying around, it'd be worth it i guess.
Otherwise, a Google tablet, quad core, 1 GB ram, with full support by Google, for 200-250 USD/EUR? Hard to beat, if it was available before i got the G9, i'd have gone the Nexus route. Besides, you can always tether the tablet to your phone.
Oh, and about the touchscreen: since i installed CM9 i didn't notice any such problems. Occasionally when the tablet wakes up it takes a while to register touches, but it goes away and is only present on the lockscreen. I've read that this is caused by the lockscreen and that by disabling the locksreen it doesn't happen, but i haven't tried it yet. On Archos ROMs i had "ghost" touches, regardless if the ROM was stock Archos or one of the excellent ones by Surdu_Petru. Touchscreen calibration/reboot fixed those. Apparently Surdu_Petru also succeeded to fix this in his latest ROMs.
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omegaRED7 said:
I have an 101G9, generally satisfied with it, especially after installing CM9 on it. AFAIK 3G usb sticks are sold separately, Archos ones (natively supported by the G9 on stock ROMs) go for about 50 euro i guess, but trevd has managed to get full support for other 3G sticks (mostly Huawei ones if i'm not mistaken, could be others too) in CM9. So if you have one laying around, it'd be worth it i guess.
Otherwise, a Google tablet, quad core, 1 GB ram, with full support by Google, for 200-250 USD/EUR? Hard to beat, if it was available before i got the G9, i'd have gone the Nexus route. Besides, you can always tether the tablet to your phone.
Oh, and about the touchscreen: since i installed CM9 i didn't notice any such problems. Occasionally when the tablet wakes up it takes a while to register touches, but it goes away and is only present on the lockscreen. I've read that this is caused by the lockscreen and that by disabling the locksreen it doesn't happen, but i haven't tried it yet. On Archos ROMs i had "ghost" touches, regardless if the ROM was stock Archos or one of the excellent ones by Surdu_Petru. Touchscreen calibration/reboot fixed those. Apparently Surdu_Petru also succeeded to fix this in his latest ROMs.
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How to install CM9 ? I went to cyanogenmod website but archos G9 products are not listed on their devices section.
Where can I find surdu_petru download and instruction ?
I am under the impression that none of the tablets can survive a 1 meter fall. I had a HP touchpad and someone drop it on the carpet. The case cracked and the speakers are not working. Do you think the g9 can be dressed up to absorb a 1 meter fall.
I am considering A80G9 which has a smaller screen than the 101, but bigger than 7" devices.
I have had both and prefer nexus 7. However I had no use for the 3g stick (they don't work on american carriers)
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xyzdan said:
How to install CM9 ? I went to cyanogenmod website but archos G9 products are not listed on their devices section.
Where can I find surdu_petru download and instruction ?
I am under the impression that none of the tablets can survive a 1 meter fall. I had a HP touchpad and someone drop it on the carpet. The case cracked and the speakers are not working. Do you think the g9 can be dressed up to absorb a 1 meter fall.
I am considering A80G9 which has a smaller screen than the 101, but bigger than 7" devices.
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I have no idea if they'd survive a 1 meter fall. It depends on your luck i guess. You'll forgive me for not testing that in practice
About CM9: The G9 isn't officially supported/mentioned on the CyanogenMod website. JackpotClavin made a fully working CM9, you can look here:
Anybody interested in testing a CM9 super-alpha build in a week or so?
All of Surdu_petru's ROMs ([email protected], Root only, Overclock Edition, Root deodex & busybox...) are in the Gen9 development section, have a look.
All ROMs require you to enable SDE (Special Developer Edition) on the Archos, see here how to do it: [TUT] How to Install Official SDE menu and rooted firmware (updated 15 June 2012)
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I have no idea if they'd survive a 1 meter fall. It depends on your luck i guess. You'll forgive me for not testing that in practice
About CM9: The G9 isn't officially supported/mentioned on the CyanogenMod website. JackpotClavin made a fully working CM9, you can look here:
Anybody interested in testing a CM9 super-alpha build in a week or so?
All of Surdu_petru's ROMs ([email protected], Root only, Overclock Edition, Root deodex & busybox...) are in the Gen9 development section, have a look.
All ROMs require you to enable SDE (Special Developer Edition) on the Archos, see here how to do it: [TUT] How to Install Official SDE menu and rooted firmware (updated 15 June 2012)
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The 80g9 is tough. I bought two. One for me one for my 5 yo son who has autism. His has been dropped, bumped, made its way down a flight of hardwood stairs and just snap it back together and away we go. I'm very surprised as the tablet feels cheap. Ha ha. I'm going to get a tuff-luv silicone case for them for an added bit of protection.
I don't have a nexus. I cannot comment on its build. I know one thing, no expandable storage, is a big no no in my book. I use SD on my tablet all the time.
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The 80g9 is tough. I bought two. One for me one for my 5 yo son who has autism. His has been dropped, bumped, made its way down a flight of hardwood stairs and just snap it back together and away we go. I'm very surprised as the tablet feels cheap. Ha ha. I'm going to get a tuff-luv silicone case for them for an added bit of protection.
I don't have a nexus. I cannot comment on its build. I know one thing, no expandable storage, is a big no no in my book. I use SD on my tablet all the time.
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Yeah, the non-expandable storage could be a deal breaker for some. I don't need really need more than 8/16 GB, but it depends on what you do with it, i guess. I mostly use it for surfing and movies/music, but at home i just stream everything from my main computer.
It's a nice to hear the Archos tabs are durable and can withstand some abuse
Hah, actually my problem with the G9...it broke after a 3 foot (almost a meter) drop on carpet. Granted, it was charging, and the dc jack snapped right off the motherboard. These things are cheaply soldered on. I did drop my nexus 7 on accident from aroud 6 feet, and it survived, not a scratch on it, but it was not charging.
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Hah, actually my problem with the G9...it broke after a 3 foot (almost a meter) drop on carpet. Granted, it was charging, and the dc jack snapped right off the motherboard. These things are cheaply soldered on. I did drop my nexus 7 on accident from aroud 6 feet, and it survived, not a scratch on it, but it was not charging.
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Do the same thing with an iPad and see what happens. No matter what you have a fall on the plugged in charging cable can do damage. Not an Archie defect.
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steve adams said:
Do the same thing with an iPad and see what happens. No matter what you have a fall on the plugged in charging cable can do damage. Not an Archie defect.
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Yes but look at the teardown by scholbert, you will see these dc jacks are cheaply soldered onto the motherboard, they break very easy even when not dropped, they have failed on many people.
i can only share my experience after one day. bear in mind i have hardly used it... mainly because i dont really have a need to as yet. i bought it to use as a media player (replace my wdtv live) and torrent downloader but havent had the time to set it up. obviously the bonus is it has a screen and a fair few apps that may possibly come in useful. it might even get used to read in bed but i have a kindle...enough said.
so at the moment my useage has been mainly downloading a few android hardware id apps because i was scratching my head wondering where the rest of my ram had got to. i honestly thought all 1.5ghz turbo models shipped with 1gb ram. my device proves that theory to be a myth. i have also called tech support who said they would get back to me today... i am still waiting.
CONS
thje touchscreen stopped responding to touches last night. sometimes it would work sometimes it wouldnt. gets very frustrating when you have to keep tapping at something in order for the tablet to do what you want.
not the fastest beast ever. i started browsing and opened about ten tabs and it ground to a halt. this may have caused the touchscreen to become unresponsive as above?
even though i have the omap 4460 running at 1.5ghz and yet i still only have 512mb ram. be very careful about which model you buy and i mean this. the 512mb ram version is obviously a lesser model and i think contributed to the above issue wihen surfing the net. if you can therefore have a look in the menu to see what you are actually buying.
terrible viewing angles.
cheap build quality - if you put slight pressure on the screen it will distort badly.
i have read that one must be very careful with the usb port because it can break very easily. makes me nervous any time i need to actually plug a cable in there.
as per the norm no ac3 support in videos.
tech support is pretty shoddy (this is simply my experience after the call i made yesterday and the fact that the promised call back never arrived).
it has a locked bootloader and development is pretty thin on the ground. it lacks a real community of modders mainly hampered by the locked bootloader. basically it aint that popular in the grand shceme of things and that means we wont get much in the way of custom roms. now before anyone starts...dont get me wrong the devs here are i am sure doing a fine job and i aint putting any of the work down (i havent even tested it yet although i will). what i am saying is that compared to any of the popular devices the modding scene is pretty threadbare.
PROS
Good media player with the ultra bonus that it can browse network shares as well as connect to upnp servers
i see it has an inbuilt media server... this is nice as it saves me having to download an app to do the job
it has an inbuilt remote control app so one can use the phone to navigate menus (havent tested this yet and i probably wont ever use it because i have a hdmi right next to where i sit but hey ho it is there)
apart from the build issue cons above the quality when it is sat in the hand is overall not bad at all. however it does feel a tad flimsy and i would hate to drop it or even have it fall off my sofa.
it is cheap i mean i got mine for about 110 quid brand new but without a box.
archos have pretty much left ics alone. there are a few apps that are pre installed and most of them are useful. there is also no skin on top which makes for a nicer experience in use.
the battery is a surprising. i charged it yesterday and it is still on 69 per cent left. granted i have used it for less than hour mainly jjust looking at my settings trying to figure out what had happened to the ram but hey... i am still quite impressed. lets put it this way it is a major step up from the 70it that i owned for a week or so. the battery in that was truely diabolical.
i think and this is a personal thing that the form factor is the best there is. it makes more sense to me to have a 4:3 format in such a small device but if it cant output at 1080p widescreen then i will be bitterly disappointed (i will therefore reserve judgement on this theory).
it has a kick stand which feels quite weak and one will have to be careful not to topple it over but for watching videos it will come in handy. it can also be used to simply prop it up and leave it as a dedicated digital picture frame.
i will say the audio from the inbuilt speakers aint that bad. it aint good though so dont be expecting hifi but then again i dont think any of the competition is any better.
so that is my experience of the tablet over the last 24 hours. i am going to spend some time with it tomorrow rooting the thing setting it up customising it and trying out some of the roms the devs have worked so hard to produce. hopefully they will go a long way towards making the machine an all round nicer experience. i will also be testing the hdmi output to me tv and seeing how it fares with torrents and media. if it can handle my media, download torrents and work as a digital picture frame then it will be money well spent. if it cant then i will be selling it on.
i will finish with this. it isnt exactly the coolest kid on the block so if style is more your thing go with the nexus. the nexus will also be quite a bit faster and the screen will be far better. however the screen on the nexus is also smaller, there is no way to expand the memory and there is no hdmi port.
pigs and troughs i say. for the price i paid at 100 quid the archos is pretty good value. however i wouldnt pay a penny more. if you can get it cheap then i say buy it (with some hesitation... dont come blaming me when you aint happy) but if you have to pay rrp then i would seriously look elsewhere.
EDIT: Doh i have made silly boo boo. its funny but it is only after i have bought the tablet did i think about the screen size format. obviously me telly is widescreen and the tablet isnt. so while it mirrors everything perfectly it is the same 4:3 format meaning major black bars down the dies. silly really i dont know why i didnt think of this before. it is the final nail in the coffin. so after owning it for about 2 days i have already put my 80 g9 turbo up for sale. OP think long and hard about what you want from a tablet before buying one and then ask yourself will it do all i need it to do. that way you may save yourself the same hassle i now find i have.
Does anyone have a problem with the power button not going on or off unless you plug it in? Mine seems to be doing it. Have a 101 g9 Turbo rooted with ics blue by surdu (thanks to him)
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Does anyone have a problem with the power button not going on or off unless you plug it in? Mine seems to be doing it. Have a 101 g9 Turbo rooted with ics blue by surdu (thanks to him)
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I don't have. Sounds like it's broken.
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rockmonkey1973 said:
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even though i have the omap 4460 running at 1.5ghz and yet i still only have 512mb ram...
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Did you update to I.C.S ?
Apparently after doing this the 'missing' RAM will magically appear.
omegaRED7 said:
I have no idea if they'd survive a 1 meter fall. It depends on your luck i guess. You'll forgive me for not testing that in practice
About CM9: The G9 isn't officially supported/mentioned on the CyanogenMod website. JackpotClavin made a fully working CM9, you can look here:
Anybody interested in testing a CM9 super-alpha build in a week or so?
All of Surdu_petru's ROMs ([email protected], Root only, Overclock Edition, Root deodex & busybox...) are in the Gen9 development section, have a look.
All ROMs require you to enable SDE (Special Developer Edition) on the Archos, see here how to do it: [TUT] How to Install Official SDE menu and rooted firmware (updated 15 June 2012)
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one year ago, I bought two 80g9 tablets. One for me and one for my four year old son. Tablets are great for children with autism. Anyways, his tablet has been down the stairs, off tables, dropped from my jeep to the pavement. Scratches and nothing else happened. I have mine rooted with ice blue and it works really well now. I can only recommend the tablet if rooted with custom rom.
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Did you update to I.C.S ?
Apparently after doing this the 'missing' RAM will magically appear.
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yes this only happens to the g9s that have ice cream sandwich label on the bottom left hand corner of the box. if your box has a honeycomb type bee icon then you are stuck with 512mb regardless of whether or not they are turbo models!
the rough guesstimate archos tech support gave me was any sold after march 2012 should have 1gb of ram but that the ice cream sandwich must be on the box if not say goodbye to the idea of having a decent amount of memory.
i returned mine as faulty anyway after a few days and thankfully got my money back. on top of all the other issues mine would randomly reboot when it was sleeping. i caught it a few times simply booting back to life after it had decided to shut down and restart. glad to be rid and wont ever buy archos again. burn me once i may try again but burn me twice and i will learn my lesson for life.
Thank you for sharing.I also have.:good::good::good:
rockmonkey1973 said:
yes this only happens to the g9s that have ice cream sandwich label on the bottom left hand corner of the box. if your box has a honeycomb type bee icon then you are stuck with 512mb regardless of whether or not they are turbo models!
the rough guesstimate archos tech support gave me was any sold after march 2012 should have 1gb of ram but that the ice cream sandwich must be on the box if not say goodbye to the idea of having a decent amount of memory.
i returned mine as faulty anyway after a few days and thankfully got my money back. on top of all the other issues mine would randomly reboot when it was sleeping. i caught it a few times simply booting back to life after it had decided to shut down and restart. glad to be rid and wont ever buy archos again. burn me once i may try again but burn me twice and i will learn my lesson for life.
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Mine did this too while running honeycomb. On ics, both work great. Made a huge difference. And with serdu's rom, its smooth sailing now. Just have to reboot once every couple of days. No big deal.
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Im trying to get rid of mine, I havent used it in a while, I would like to sell it.
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Another thing about the Archos is the size is way more appealing than a nexus. And expandable storage is great.
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Introductions ::
Hello there, and welcome to my review of the DOOGEE x30 (32-bit – not L) smartphone! As a casual technology enthusiast, this sort of product truly fuels my interest in the mobile device industry. Manufacturers, like DOOGEE, constantly raise the bar of expectancy-vs-price, by either introducing highly sought-after features to cheaper devices or creating entirely new features that are then introduced through the budget market first. This practice of constantly improving the developing the low-end market makes for an interesting show when one goes to observe the ripples that this creates in the mobile device market as a while. These manufacturers, when they get the formula just right, create devices that can competently perform at a low price point, while displaying very little compromise in overall design, features, and quality. As such, I find the budget market to be an important part of the general mobile device market(place).
Now, for a bit of personal background. This is my third smartphone from DOOGEE, which means that I have a slight, inherent bias. However, I will do my best to curb such, for the sake of an honest and fair assessment of the device in question. I will start with the un-boxing experience, and move forward from there in a semi-natural progression, if you will. The included clips will (unfortunately) be presented in 720p30fps - not true HD. But, it should get the un-boxing experience across in a satisfactory manner - I hope.
Specs ::
Can be found here.
Un-Boxing ::
approx. 15 minutes long
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI_cLORLc24
* Please note that the first part (the un-boxing) is still being processed, and the second part (the actual review) will be uploaded later this week (and hopefully, in a higher resolution). I hope you all are enjoying your winter holiday this year
Review ::
There is none - it's ded
Pros ::
The CPU is an MTK 6580, which is clocked at 1.3GHz - a decent CPU for this SoC, although 32-bit.*
This phone comes with 2GB of LPDDR3 RAM, which is better than what many other budget smartphones come with (less than 1GB in many cases). In fact, this SoC could be packed with up to 4GB of RAM if they wanted…
The 4-sensor Camera system truly sets this device apart from the competition in terms of photographic capabilities at this price-point (60-100 USD). They record at 5mp and 8mp respectively, meaning that the maximum resolution you can get for an image (from the rear cameras) is 3264 x 2448. Pretty nice for a sub-100 USD smartphone...
The metal frame also helps in terms of durability, and even adds to the overall visual appeal of the phone’s design.
The curved body makes it easy to hold, and ergonomically pleasing to the average user. No pain in the palms to speak of
The phone comes with Android 7, which is a great move - Android 8 is here, and DOOGEE can push an update whenever they’re ready. In addition to that (assuming that DOOGEE does update this phone), it gives users the option to decide on whether or not to move on to 8 - software options. But, while you’re waiting, you can play around with Quick Settings Customization - which is another plus.
This phone comes with 16GB of internal storage as an entry model, in opposed to 8GB (as seen in past models like the x5 and x6). This move is definitely one in the right direction…
The software that comes installed on this device initially appears quite close to stock (Google Apps and all - beyond AOSP) Android, which is great for those of you who want more control over the experience, or a simpler experience when using Android. It’s pretty difficult to spot most of the differences and deviations...
Cons ::
This model’s CPU is 32-bit, which limits the RAM and apps that can be used on this device. As such, it won’t be able to use any software that requires a 64-bit* architecture or more than 4GB of RAM. Remember the x5 Pro and x6 Pro models?
The RAM speed on this device is only 533MHz, which leaves it feeling like low-price DDR2/LPDDR2 (at around 500-600MHz), in opposed to the LPDDR3 it’s actually packing, which (in theory) can reach speeds of around 800MHz.
The Mali GPU included on this SoC is only 2 cores*, which is a bit underwhelming for obvious reasons. A higher clock speed could have helped this a bit.
It comes with some unnecessary apps, which can’t be completely removed without rooting. This needlessly reduces the amount of free storage space on the device. What’s up with the cat hanging from the top of the screen?! The approach used on the x5 and x6 Pro models should be used on this device instead.
It’s theme, while small in terms of performance impact, is an unnecessary and non-innovative deviation from a simpler Google/AOSP UI experience. Once again, the approach used on the x5 and x6 Pro models should be used on this device instead.
The screen, while being HD-Ready, is of the 720p/1080i variety - not the Full HD (1080p) that many have come to expect from their smartphones nowadays. But, this isn’t too much to bare.
The camera(s) only record at 5mp and 8mp respectively, meaning that the maximum resolution you can ever get for an image (from the rear cameras) is 3264 x 2448. While still images are quite nice, video recordings are locked in at 30fps, and may actually be at a lower resolution still.
This device can only receive so much expansion via the SD card slot - 32GB to be exact.
The SoC on this model doesn’t offer 4G(LTE)* capabilities, Bluetooth 5, NFC, or Wireless Charging.
It’s USB 2.0, instead of 3.0. An upgrade to 3.0 would have been nice...
Not so sure about how honest DOOGEE is about the camera.
Some apps I would remove (if I could) include:
Torch*
Themes **
System Manager**
File Manager**
DOOGEE ?
Chrome *g
* Integrate this feature into the Quick Settings - no need for another app
** Can be handled better with 3rd party apps
*g Have better counterparts that are developed by Google, and should be decided on by the user
? What does this app do?! I don’t remember it being around on the older models...
Conclusion ::
Overall, I think that this device is quite nicely-made for this price (60-70 USD), but could be improved upon a bit. While being a worthy successor to the single-digit x-models, I also think that there should be a higher-end model available, for those of us who are willing to pay to have many of these issues alleviated (around say, 100 USD - like last time). In addition to this, from having had the x5 Pro and x6 Pro models, I can’t help but feel just a bit let down this time around. Yet, there isn’t an x30 Pro. Perhaps the x30L* would answer the call? Although, I haven’t been able to find the darned thing, for sale, anywhere!
Overall Rating: 7.0/10
Bottom Line;
Good show, DOOGEE. You do have some places where you can improve. But, I can’t wait to see what you come up with next...
I actually purchased this phone for the mother-in-law. It literally just arrived today. Off the top, it's a very nice phone, especially for the sub-$70 I paid for it. I'm going to be working with this in-depth over the next few days in order to customize it (and see what tricks I can find). I'll report back when I'm done.
UPDATE: Just got this TWRP'd and rooted. Now I can see what this thing can do. :good:
Here we go!...
Bratzilla said:
I actually purchased this phone for the mother-in-law. It literally just arrived today. Off the top, it's a very nice phone, especially for the sub-$70 I paid for it. I'm going to be working with this in-depth over the next few days in order to customize it (and see what tricks I can find). I'll report back when I'm done.
UPDATE: Just got this TWRP'd and rooted. Now I can see what this thing can do. :good:
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I'll be uploading a review of it this week!
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I'll be uploading a review of it this week!
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Good to hear! I enjoy reviews of these smaller brands. Not everyone can afford a Note 8 cash-out.
I got a few more technical notes. Apologies if I ramble a bit, but I wanted to get this listed so that I don't forget. (Please let me know if you want me to post my root method as I don't want to hijack your thread. I didn't see any other threads pertinent to this phone posted yet.) These notes have to do with modding the phone and how it behaved for me afterwards.
As mentioned earlier, I rooted this phone after playing with the stock version a bit. A note about rooting - there are several posts online that mention rooting via SP Flash Tool. I never got this to work for me. Instead, using ADB and the TWRP version for this phone did the job (there is a trick in doing so as the install wasn't quite so straightforward). Once TWRP was installed, flashing SuperSU went as usual. Root Checker confirmed that root did take.
Custom recovery was possible because Doogee X30's flavor of Nougat 7.0 (which btw this phone has one of the few maker-created launchers that I pretty much like) contains a switch in Settings that allows you to make the bootloader unlockable. A quick run through ADB to actually do the unlocking worked perfectly. However, I now have a "Status Orange" message upon boot-up that claims the phone is now unsafe due to the bootloader unlock. But this doesn't seem to adversely impact operation (at least nothing obvious has presented itself) - very similar to the message I got when I did the same thing to the Galaxy Note 4.
I was able to use Kernel Auditor to do thinks like speed up the CPU and enable init.d (one of the requirements to get Viper4Android to work). CPU tweaks substantially enhanced this phone's performance.
Once rooted, customization became relatively easy. I targeted my usual apps to enhance the phone. SELinux Switcher, Adaway, BusyBox, Kernel Auditor (to tweak CPU performance and enable init.d), and Viper4Android (the package that includes Sony + Dolby Atmos). Rooted apps are all performing as expected.
The factory launcher is surprisingly lite and simple, and I did enjoy it. I would have kept it for the MIL, but I didn't see any obvious way to change the icon set so I went with Evie Launcher (if you see a way, though, please let me know). So far, Evie is working quite nicely.
Wifi speeds are pretty good for a phone in this class; I have no complaints. For cell data, based on the radios supported, this phone can only work at 3G/HSPA+ as there is no LTE radio. However I'll better be able to speak on that once I put in her SIM card and really give this a twirl on AT&T towers.
With the right modifications, I'd say this phone performs similar to those with a much higher pay point. Of course it's nothing near flagship level. However, for the amount of RAM and on-board storage, SD card support, headphone jack and REMOVABLE battery - I'd say this phone is a pretty sweet deal especially for people who just cannot or do not want to spend $$$ for a bunch of features they don't need. Plus if you break this sucker, you're not gonna cry over it. Just save up a few In-and-Out combos in a piggy bank and you can buy another one.
Oh yeah - one final note. Regarding cases, unless you want to pay Amazon's ridiculously jacked-up prices, it's best to order one through eBay from overseas. I got the pleather wallet model and it looks pretty decent. Just saw there is now a genuine full-leather one also on eBay.
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Oh darn it! I just saw that you wanted to remove some system apps. Once rooted, there are apps in Playstore that should let you do just that.
In fact, thanks for that list. I'll check these out and see which ones I can dump. Is Themes tied to the launcher? If so, I may not touch it to avoid problems later. Speaking of Theme - that effing hanging cat can be turned off in the stock launcher settings. There is actually a switch for it. Sooooo annoying!
And your rating is very close to what others are giving (low to mid 7s), so it looks like your instincts are quite on the money.
Just added the first video. Once again, I'm kinda wishing that my dedicated camera was still operational (Nikon COOLPIX), but it stopped working a few months back. I had no option but the Nexus 7 camera (again). I've been using it as my camera for most of my videos where it isn't screen cap.
care to expand on TWRP rooting?!
(there is a trick in doing so as the install wasn't quite so straightforward)
For those wondering how to root this phone, its actually pretty simple. THIS WILL ERASE EVERYTHING.
Assuming you know some basic adb commands..
You wanna start off with making sure your bootloader is unlocked, which can be done fairly easily with ADB tools.
Don't be alarmed when your phone resets a couple times, its erasing data and reformating.
Once your bootloader is unlocked and your phone restarts, remember to reenable USB debugging. and then go to fastboot mode again to flash our recovery.
(I used the recovery link listed in the SUflash method that comes up when googling 'x30 doogee root')
Once our recovery is installed, we'll wanna put the latest version of SuperSU (Make sure its the zip, not the apk) onto your phone/SD card. Boot into recovery, and install SuperSU through TWRP.
Congratz, you've succesfully rooted your X30
Tested and verified on mine. Sorry I could not include links, do not have enough posts. Just wanted to be of assistance!
This device (unfortunately) actually sort needs root to even feel at-home with. Which is sad, because the x5 Pro and x6 Pro weren't like that. I rooted them advanced purposes - not to get them to a decent state...
Help me please!
I stuck my phone in TWRP can you send me a copy of your recovery?
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I stuck my phone in TWRP can you send me a copy of your recovery?
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I unfortunately don't have the device anymore
Chuwi Hi Pad Helio X27
Specs:
CPU: MTK6797X Helio Deca Core
GPU: ARM Mali-T880
RAM: 3GB
Storage: 32GB (supports TF up to 128GB)
Screen: 10.1 inch OGS Screen 1920x1200
Camera: Front 5MP, Back 5MP
Battery: 7000 mAh
In the box in a nice foam packaging you can find the tablet (obviously), a charger 5V 2000mA, user's
manual in English and a pin for extracting the TF card port
The tablet has only the basic stuff so no 4G support, no NFC, no fingerprint scanner.
Design:
The tablet has a full metal body. It looks sturdy without any squeeks and cracks.
On the back there is an X shaped design that looks good and adds to the overal gaming orientation.
There are also the speakers (i can't really tell where exactly) but they are loud and clear for a tablet of
this price range.
In portrait position we find in the top the USB port, 3.5 mm jack and the TF card slot
On the right hand side from top to bottom there is the power button and the volume rocker.
Screen:
The tablet comes with a pre applied screen protector that i haven't removed yet (until i find a proper
tempered glass at least). Colors are nice although i think that the dpi of the screen makes icons and
some apps bigger than i would prefer. Viewing angles are great and visibility out in the open is adequate
for outdoor use.
I have experienced some random inputs when scrolling but hopefully there will be an update from Chuwi to solve this problem.
Software:
Out of the box it comes running Android 8.0.0 with 5 june security patch.
The feeling and actual experience is good. There is some occasional lag here and there but nothing deal breaking.
Gaming wise i tried Asphalt 9, Real Racing and Need for Speed with the same results.
Fully playable but seems to be running in low resolution (maybe because of the low DPI?)
Camera:
Nothing special here from both. Good enough for Skype calls maybe.
Battery life:
It seems to get 7-8 hours of normal use but i will test some more and come back with an update.
Other:
The device is not authorised so no Netflix on high quality
Conclusion:
A decent tablet for the price. Nice screen, loud speakers and adequate performance on daily use as well as in gaming. Battery life will get you easily a day.
There is the issue with the touch sometimes and some occasional lag here and there but nothing dramatic.
Gaming Asphalt 9
Reserved
Keeping an eye on your thread, this tablet is ridiculously cheap at the mo. The only thing I have seen that's a worry is the input/touch issues which you also mention. Hopefully something that can be fixed in an update though.
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Keeping an eye on your thread, this tablet is ridiculously cheap at the mo. The only thing I have seen that's a worry is the input/touch issues which you also mention. Hopefully something that can be fixed in an update though.
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In everyday use you just notice this sometimes.
But if you try to write something as I do right now from the tablet, there are some hit and miss clicks that are noticeable.
Hope this is a software issue too.
Great tablet overall for the price.
Good review freaktech. I've had my HiPad a few weeks, I completely agree with everything you said... great tablet for the price, but a few things that can hopefully be improved with s/w updates.
That being said, one thing I think would really help would be if we could get root on this thing. I'm assuming the governor is set to interactive but I think changing it to OnDemand would make the performance even better. And maybe we could also change the DPI setting?
Unfortunately I'm not sure how to start trying to root it... I don't know if this is helpful to others, but Chuwi has posted the Hi-Pad rom image, driver and flashtool:
https://forum.chuwi.com/thread-6620-1-1.html
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Good review freaktech. I've had my HiPad a few weeks, I completely agree with everything you said... great tablet for the price, but a few things that can hopefully be improved with s/w updates.
That being said, one thing I think would really help would be if we could get root on this thing. I'm assuming the governor is set to interactive but I think changing it to OnDemand would make the performance even better. And maybe we could also change the DPI setting?
Unfortunately I'm not sure how to start trying to root it... I don't know if this is helpful to others, but Chuwi has posted the Hi-Pad rom image, driver and flashtool:
https://forum.chuwi.com/thread-6620-1-1.html
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Root and custom recovery is something I'm looking forward too.
I found a topic somewhere here on how to compile twrp for helio CPU.
I'll give it a try. But still we need root to install it am I right?
I'm reluctant to try one click root solutions.
Good to know that we can go back back to stock if something goes wrong though.
I guess flashtool instructions are the same for all mtk devices?
I've added a video playing asphalt 9 on the first post (seems to be the most popular game a the moment) sorry for my bad filming skills.
I'm not sure about the whole root/TWRP thing either, it's a chicken/egg situation for me too. I've always just followed other people's instructions on how to root and install TWRP, I've never sorted it out myself.
Since we've got the stock image available, my understanding is that trying one-click recoveries should be okay but hopefully someone with experience will chime in.
I received an OTA update today.
No changelog though.
I got it too. Too bad there's no changelog, but at least it shows they're fixing things.
Something potentially interesting I've noticed - if you run the Google "Find my device" app, it identifies the HiPad as a "Hi9 Air". I'm guessing this is because they re-used software from the Hi9 Air, but I'm wondering if it also means the HiPad could be rooted using one of the Hi9 Air root methods. Anyone with rooting experience willing to give it a shot?
Did the update fix the phantom touch issue?
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Did the update fix the phantom touch issue?
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What's the phantom touch issue? I haven't experienced anything I would classify as phantom touches, are you sure it's a widespread issue?
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What's the phantom touch issue? I haven't experienced anything I would classify as phantom touches, are you sure it's a widespread issue?
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From the original post "I have experienced some random inputs when scrolling but hopefully there will be an update from Chuwi to solve this problem"
Has the os lag been fixed? Do you think this is worth purchasing over the fire hd 10
I have a question, Is their a way to get netflix In HD?
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From the original post "I have experienced some random inputs when scrolling but hopefully there will be an update from Chuwi to solve this problem"
Has the os lag been fixed? Do you think this is worth purchasing over the fire hd 10
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It's been a long time since i used my English skills and maybe they are a bit rusty.
The touch issue i'm experiencing is more of a hit and miss rather than a phantom touch.
For example let's say you want to type the word "chuwi" and you actually type "chui" or "cuwi".
[edit] I added a photo to be more clear. You just have to trust i'm not that bad in typing
Now for the lag part the tablet is smooth 99% of the time but here and there there is a frame drop mostly in the ui in my experience.
I'm a bit hypersensitive with that kind of stuff but i did noticed it and thought to mention that too.
It's a budget tablet after all
I use the tablet daily with no problems.
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I have a question, Is their a way to get netflix In HD?
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There various threads here on xda either providing an apk or requiring some skills to do it you shelf but i haven't tried any of them to comment.
I use mine daily without problems as well. Really good tablet and it'll only get better with root.
In case it helps anyone, I just came across this tutorial on downloading the latest Chuwi HiPad USB Drivers and MediaTek driver:
https://www.getdroidtips.com/download-latest-chuwi-hipad-usb-drivers/
I was just reading the Chuwi forums, and according to their forum correspondent "Emily", the OTA they released the other day was intended to address the touch sensitivity/accuracy problems (she wasn't very specific though). Personally, I do think the touch sensitivity has improved a bit. Anyone else have an opinion?
Can anyone test the new update?
I'm using it right now (and have been for a few days). I definitely think touch sensitivity has been improved. Anything else you're wondering about specifically?
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I'm using it right now (and have been for a few days). I definitely think touch sensitivity has been improved. Anything else you're wondering about specifically?
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hope so,
Mine is on the way, Now I am only concerned with Netflix, It was one of the reason I ordered this.
As freaktech mentioned, you can find various apks (on XDA and on the web) that allow HD Netflix on non-certified devices. I haven't done it on my Hipad yet, but I used these apks to install HD Netflix on an Android box in my living room. Piece of cake (just download and install) and works great.
So I have always been a razer fan and always fancied checking out there phones. I here they ain't the best but I have a chance to get my hand on the first one and wondering if I should, I herd the camera is trash but I also see there are gcam ports for it and wondering if that makes much difference to the camera at all, I had the pixel 2 and lived the pic quality and used a few gcams on other phones and results were great so jw what it's like on razer. What would people suggest. Is it worth it?
I'm still using the Razer Phone 1.
If you stick to stock rom, it's not worth it... no more security updates, no exFAT sdxc card support unless you adopt it as internal storage (so you are stuck with 64GB), no aptX bluetooth codec.
If you plan on using custom rom, it's better but overall still not worth it. Not many custom roms available. Lineage is officially supported, but I had sleepless nights getting it to work. Going into recovery mode requires plugging the phone into a computer or another phone... which if you happen to be in a situation where you can only boot normally by first going into recovery mode (yes i had to live with this for most of last year)... you better hope your phone doesn't just spontaneously restart or run out of juice without a USB cable and computer/phone nearby. Keep in mind, Google Pay won't work with customs rom. Magisk can add aptX, but no luck with exFAT sdxc.
Yes, the 120Hz refresh rate is nice but the phone at this age no longer has stellar battery. Like you said, camera is trash. GCam only works for one of the two rear cameras (i.e. front camera does not work with GCam). Another annoying bit is the speaker grills... they fall off and get bent or broken, and there is no replacement you can buy.
I'm keeping my Razer Phone around since I like to tinker with the phone and see how long it can last. If you like to do the same, I hope you get a really good deal on the phone. Otherwise, I'd say look elsewhere.
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I'm still using the Razer Phone 1.
If you stick to stock rom, it's not worth it... no more security updates, no exFAT sdxc card support unless you adopt it as internal storage (so you are stuck with 64GB), no aptX bluetooth codec.
If you plan on using custom rom, it's better but overall still not worth it. Not many custom roms available. Lineage is officially supported, but I had sleepless nights getting it to work. Going into recovery mode requires plugging the phone into a computer or another phone... which if you happen to be in a situation where you can only boot normally by first going into recovery mode (yes i had to live with this for most of last year)... you better hope your phone doesn't just spontaneously restart or run out of juice without a USB cable and computer/phone nearby. Keep in mind, Google Pay won't work with customs rom. Magisk can add aptX, but no luck with exFAT sdxc.
Yes, the 120Hz refresh rate is nice but the phone at this age no longer has stellar battery. Like you said, camera is trash. GCam only works for one of the two rear cameras (i.e. front camera does not work with GCam). Another annoying bit is the speaker grills... they fall off and get bent or broken, and there is no replacement you can buy.
I'm keeping my Razer Phone around since I like to tinker with the phone and see how long it can last. If you like to do the same, I hope you get a really good deal on the phone. Otherwise, I'd say look elsewhere.
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I still using the Rzer phone 1,too.It worked well in 2021.Could you share me the Telegram group of Razer phone1?Or others communicate group?
266APP said:
I still using the Rzer phone 1,too.It worked well in 2021.Could you share me the Telegram group of Razer phone1?Or others communicate group?
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Not sure if there is a Telegram group for the phone. I mainly just use XDA here.
As a quick update to my previous post, in terms of the limited storage, I've gone down the route of picking up a 256GB A2 microsdxc card (split 37% (95GB) adoptable storage and the remainder as FAT32). After using the migrate function for adoptable storage (thus in theory the system thinks there is about 159GB of internal storage), this seems to ease up on the limited storage issue.
The reason I split the card is for the possibility (although untested) to backup my phone to the card / transfer files via the card and still use the card on another device (may require the phone to be powered off to not mess with the system/app files on the adoptable storage part).
But overall, my view still stands, only get this phone now if you want to tinker with it. Don't expect battery to be great with this phone's age either (FYI, look at this thread to manage battery health https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...arging-controller-acc-on-razer-phone.4235283/).
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I'm still using the Razer Phone 1.
If you stick to stock rom, it's not worth it... no more security updates, no exFAT sdxc card support unless you adopt it as internal storage (so you are stuck with 64GB), no aptX bluetooth codec.
If you plan on using custom rom, it's better but overall still not worth it. Not many custom roms available. Lineage is officially supported, but I had sleepless nights getting it to work. Going into recovery mode requires plugging the phone into a computer or another phone... which if you happen to be in a situation where you can only boot normally by first going into recovery mode (yes i had to live with this for most of last year)... you better hope your phone doesn't just spontaneously restart or run out of juice without a USB cable and computer/phone nearby. Keep in mind, Google Pay won't work with customs rom. Magisk can add aptX, but no luck with exFAT sdxc.
Yes, the 120Hz refresh rate is nice but the phone at this age no longer has stellar battery. Like you said, camera is trash. GCam only works for one of the two rear cameras (i.e. front camera does not work with GCam). Another annoying bit is the speaker grills... they fall off and get bent or broken, and there is no replacement you can buy.
I'm keeping my Razer Phone around since I like to tinker with the phone and see how long it can last. If you like to do the same, I hope you get a really good deal on the phone. Otherwise, I'd say look elsewhere.
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I had one sleepless night to install Lineage os. Now that it's installed, I'm really enjoying this phone. Look for a good deal if you're buying anyway, like I would pick this over a budget phone if they're the same price (only if you plan to use a custom rom). The stock rom is way too outdated