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Charging speed

To power up, you consume Red Bull. But your phone just needs its adaptive fast charger. Rate this thread to express how quickly the LG G5 can charge. A higher rating indicates that it charges extremely fast.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Great Charging
This is the first phone I have had that would actually increase the charge significantly while navigating using google maps in the daylight. And it increases pretty fast.

My Anker QuickCharge 3.0 charger got my G5 from 0 to 100% in ~75 minutes while on. The same charger port got my spare battery in the cradle fro 0 to 100% in ~3 hours (it only pulled 5V).
After lunch today, I plugged it into a USB 3.0 port on my Lenovo T430, and it got from 60 to 100% in under 30 minutes while pulling over 1.2 amps (way above spec).
I'm happily impressed!

Could be better? Not close to the G4

jamiee6610 said:
Could be better? Not close to the G4
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That's simply not possible unless you are using a non QC 3.0 charger or bad lead.
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stuart0001 said:
That's simply not possible unless you are using a non QC 3.0 charger or bad lead.
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Well i aint going to get in to an argument but 30+ hours on my G4 and 20+ hours on my G5? I think i might have a point?

jamiee6610 said:
Well i aint going to get in to an argument but 30+ hours on my G4 and 20+ hours on my G5? I think i might have a point?
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This thread is about charging speed, not battery life.
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I'm loving the charging speed. It's like night and day compared to the M9 I used to own.

Doesn't seem much faster than speed charge 2.0 at all to me

jamiee6610 said:
Well i aint going to get in to an argument but 30+ hours on my G4 and 20+ hours on my G5? I think i might have a point?
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Remember the G4 had a bigger battery so its only obvious the G4 last longer. But luckily we can buy multiple extra batteries :good:

Dano79 said:
Doesn't seem much faster than speed charge 2.0 at all to me
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As has been discussed elsewhere, QC 3.0 doesn't boost speed much if at all over 2.0. Instead it provides a continuous range of charging voltages (or amps? or whatever) so that it can charge at just the right rate. This should heat the battery less and (in theory, no idea how true/noticeable this will be after a year of use) wear down the battery less because of it.

Dano79 said:
Doesn't seem much faster than speed charge 2.0 at all to me
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Screen off = no difference in speed
Try with screen on then 3.0 is 2-3x as fast as 2.0
This has made a massive difference in the car when my screen stays on.
3.0 charges at a solid 1A with screen on as oppose to 2.0 that only musters 0.3-0.6A depending on phone temperature. ?
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just throwing this in.
acording to Benson Leung LG G5 is not usb type c compliant when it comes to charging.
has anyone here tried charging the G5 using a true usb type c fast charger? i wonder what the outcome might be.
i'll be sad if i have to buy separate chargers just for this phone. (in case i get any true usb type c devices in future i mean)
http://www.xda-developers.com/be-wa...uick-charge-is-not-usb-type-c-spec-compliant/

GottZ said:
just throwing this in.
acording to Benson Leung LG G5 is not usb type c compliant when it comes to charging.
has anyone here tried charging the G5 using a true usb type c fast charger? i wonder what the outcome might be.
i'll be sad if i have to buy separate chargers just for this phone. (in case i get any true usb type c devices in future i mean)
http://www.xda-developers.com/be-wa...uick-charge-is-not-usb-type-c-spec-compliant/
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Charged fine with my 6P charger. About 2A so not full whack, but no issues.
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stuart0001 said:
Charged fine with my 6P charger. About 2A so not full whack, but no issues.
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are you using a cable that contains a 56K resistor?

GottZ said:
are you using a cable that contains a 56K resistor?
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No idea. It's the 1 that came with the 6P so I would expect so.
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GottZ said:
just throwing this in.
acording to Benson Leung LG G5 is not usb type c compliant when it comes to charging.
has anyone here tried charging the G5 using a true usb type c fast charger? i wonder what the outcome might be.
i'll be sad if i have to buy separate chargers just for this phone. (in case i get any true usb type c devices in future i mean)
http://www.xda-developers.com/be-wa...uick-charge-is-not-usb-type-c-spec-compliant/
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Qualcomm's Quick Charge goes outside the USB-C spec in order to be able to charge compatible Quick Charge devices faster (higher voltages when possible).
Dose this meet the USB-C spec, no... Would I be concerned about it, Not if I'm using a reputable QC charger and USB-C cable.
Happy fast charging....

I'll be commenting on these cables and QC3.0 charging on my battery charging thread once I have more data. I have 2 QC3.0 USB wall chargers that I'm collecting data on now. These both have USB-A ports, so they need cable adapters.
But yes, early SPOILER @GottZ: The USB-C compliant cables (USB-A to USB-C) with the resistor limit the benefit of QC3 over QC2. But @stuart0001 does have a point with charging with the screen on.

waylo said:
I'll be commenting on these cables and QC3.0 charging on my battery charging thread once I have more data. I have 2 QC3.0 USB wall chargers that I'm collecting data on now. These both have USB-A ports, so they need cable adapters.
But yes, early SPOILER @GottZ: The USB-C compliant cables (USB-A to USB-C) with the resistor limit the benefit of QC3 over QC2. But @stuart0001 does have a point with charging with the screen on.
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I look forward to your findings.
After further experimentation, QC 2.0 will hit 1A with screen on when below 32deg. So I've found when screen on:
QC 2.0
<32 = 1A
32-35 = 0.6A
35-42 = 0.3A
>42 =? (I haven't tested yet)
QC 3.0 maintains 1A, certainly upto 42. Again, I've not tested higher than that.
This is all with the cable that came with the phone.
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stuart0001 said:
I look forward to your findings.
After further experimentation, QC 2.0 will hit 1A with screen on when below 32deg. So I've found when screen on:
QC 2.0
<32 = 1A
32-35 = 0.6A
35-42 = 0.3A
>42 =? (I haven't tested yet)
QC 3.0 maintains 1A, certainly upto 42. Again, I've not tested higher than that.
This is all with the cable that came with the phone.
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when talking about QC 2/3 you should also mention volt or just combine volts and amps to watts
just talking about amps is like saying A: has 2 inches Ampere and B: has 3 inches Ampere

Charging Speeds and Confusion

Hey guys! I've been a long time lurker and finally have decided to come out of the woods and get some help.
I'm looking to order all my accessories today however I want to make sure I'm getting what I need so I don't have to go back and buy different cords.
I guess my first question is: Will a USB C to USB C cable charge faster than a USB A to USB C cable? Or does it all depend on the wall/car adapter?
I was hoping to buy 3 USB C to USB C cable with an extra wall adapter and car adapter. The whole USB C and QC 3.0 discussion has confused me like many others. What do I need? This is what I was looking at getting:
Anker PowerLine USB-C to USB-C 2.0 Cable (3ft): (Can't post links...)
USB C Charger,Tronsmart 30W Dual USB Wall Charger with Quick Charge 3.0 Technology: (Can't post links...)
USB C Quick Charge 3.0 AUKEY Car Charger with Dual AiPower Ports: (Can't post links...)
Do all of these products seem that they would give me the best possible charging times and be safe to use with the HTC 10? I appreciate all the help!
Thanks much!

I'm using the Aukey in my car and it charges really quickly and the popup for rapid charging comes up.
Can't really recommend the others only the one I have.

spicypixel said:
I'm using the Aukey in my car and it charges really quickly and the popup for rapid charging comes up.
Can't really recommend the others only the one I have.
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So you use USB A to USB C? There won't be a noticeable difference between the charge times if using a USB C to USB C cable?

type a to c "may" limit speeds in some situations. like this car charger you wont get the quick charge from they type A to C but if you use the type c to c in the other port youll get the speeds with say these cables here

The phone can't support two USB specs simultaneously because that's a direct violation of the spec. If you use a C-C cable with a charger that outputs via QC 2.0/3.0 then it will charge at QC 2.0/3.0 speeds. On the other hand if you use a charger that is for the Nexus 5X/6P which outputs using the USB-C charging spec (5V/3A: 15W) then it will charge slowly at 1.5 A not fast charge. This is because it can only support one standard or the other no both, so I recommend just getting QC 2.0 or 3.0 chargers and use whatever port they offer. It could either use a conventional USB-A or the USB-C as long as you use the appropriate cable and the charger spec matches your phone (Qualcomm quick charge), then there won't be any issues.

Pilz said:
The phone can't support two USB specs simultaneously because that's a direct violation of the spec. If you use a C-C cable with a charger that outputs via QC 2.0/3.0 then it will charge at QC 2.0/3.0 speeds. On the other hand if you use a charger that is for the Nexus 5X/6P which outputs using the USB-C charging spec (5V/3A: 15W) then it will charge slowly at 1.5 A not fast charge. This is because it can only support one standard or the other no both, so I recommend just getting QC 2.0 or 3.0 chargers and use whatever port they offer. It could either use a conventional USB-A or the USB-C as long as you use the appropriate cable and the charger spec matches your phone (Qualcomm quick charge), then there won't be any issues.
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Ahhh that makes sense. Perfect response! So I'll plan on getting QC 3.0 chargers and just match the appropriate cables. It will probably come out to be cheaper this way as well.
Thanks again!

DanOpi said:
Ahhh that makes sense. Perfect response! So I'll plan on getting QC 3.0 chargers and just match the appropriate cables. It will probably come out to be cheaper this way as well.
Thanks again!
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Not a problem, I actually wrote up an OP showing the expected charging speeds via different charging methods across the devices that I own. QC 3.0 isn't faster than QC 2.0, but to conclusively prove that I will add a QC 2.0 test conducted with my HTC 10 to my OP linked below. Since I own a Nexus 6P, and S7 Edge so it's easier for me to test and check that which is why I mentioned it in my comment.
Here is the OP: http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/how-to/comparison-htc-10-qc-3-0-charging-test-t3377397

Very cool. I'll check it out.
Any idea why I can't find a solid wall charger for under $25? Anker's is $26. iClever has one for $13 however I've never seen iClever talked about on here.

DanOpi said:
Very cool. I'll check it out.
Any idea why I can't find a solid wall charger for under $25? Anker's is $26. iClever has one for $13 however I've never seen iClever talked about on here.
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Here are some from Choetech and Tronsmart
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B019Q...charge+3.0&dpPl=1&dpID=41LzzQEkH5L&ref=plSrch
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015Z...Y200_QL40&keywords=tronsmart+quick+charge+3.0
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01C3...charge+3.0&dpPl=1&dpID=41FGcPJzkDL&ref=plSrch
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B019C...charge+3.0&dpPl=1&dpID=31sKiOJkFwL&ref=plSrch

DanOpi said:
Very cool. I'll check it out.
Any idea why I can't find a solid wall charger for under $25? Anker's is $26. iClever has one for $13 however I've never seen iClever talked about on here.
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What about this one?
http://www.amazon.com/Charger-Compatible-Samsung-Wireless-Charging/dp/B01B2SD8UW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A10DKVET0O3A33

I just finished testing the charging speed using a QC 2.0 charger and the results were very interesting. I'll post them up tomorrow, but I don't see what the big deal about QC 3.0 is.

Pilz said:
I just finished testing the charging speed using a QC 2.0 charger and the results were very interesting. I'll post them up tomorrow, but I don't see what the big deal about QC 3.0 is.
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Efficiency. Nothing more, nothing less.
I can't understand where people have gotten the impression that QC 3.0 would somehow be faster than QC 2.0, with phones that is.

lagittaja said:
Efficiency. Nothing more, nothing less.
I can't understand where people have gotten the impression that QC 3.0 would somehow be faster than QC 2.0, with phones that is.
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Qualcomm claimed that it was faster.
Even being more efficient, it should be at least a little faster and produce less heat... both of which are good things.

lagittaja said:
Efficiency. Nothing more, nothing less.
I can't understand where people have gotten the impression that QC 3.0 would somehow be faster than QC 2.0, with phones that is.
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Nitemare3219 said:
Qualcomm claimed that it was faster.
Even being more efficient, it should be at least a little faster and produce less heat... both of which are good things.
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I posted a picture from Qualcomm where they state QC 3.0 is faster. In reality QC 3.0 is not faster, or even better from what I've seen so fsr. I didn't notice a difference in the amount of heat generated, technically the higher the volatge and lower the rate will result in a cooler phone but QC3.0 does the opposite.
Here is the slide from Qualcomm again where they say it's faster.

It's just 10% faster. You will be hard pressed to see these 10% in real life scenarios.
When they are saying it is less heat dissipation they are talking about the charger. The efficiency of power transfer is in the charger.
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ro_explorer said:
It's just 10% faster. You will be hard pressed to see these 10% in real life scenarios.
When they are saying it is less heat dissipation they are talking about the charger. The efficiency of power transfer is in the charger.
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It doesn't even charge 1% faster, in fact it's slower. There wasn't a noticeable difference in heat when I tested it. I didn't actually measure the temperature because I don't think an app will accurate depict the temps, but I can to see if it is cooler. QC 3.0 isn't all its hyped up to be unless something changes I don't think it's really all that great.

I tested out of curiosity the charger from the Note4 (QC2.0) and it is fast as well .. but I could not see any noticeable difference. ... Then again, my phone is just 4 days old so the battery is not up to speed (it requires about 5-6 cycles for a Li-Ion to get to the full potential). Maybe you are right, maybe I'm right .. I do not know yet.
However, if I reach a definitive conclusion with my gear I'll post it here.

ro_explorer said:
I tested out of curiosity the charger from the Note4 (QC2.0) and it is fast as well .. but I could not see any noticeable difference. ... Then again, my phone is just 4 days old so the battery is not up to speed (it requires about 5-6 cycles for a Li-Ion to get to the full potential). Maybe you are right, maybe I'm right .. I do not know yet.
However, if I reach a definitive conclusion with my gear I'll post it here.
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I've verified that more or less with my testing so for better or worse we have QC 3.0 if you choose to use it.

[ALERT] TYPE-C PORT and TWO accessories FRIED

So I was charging my phone like usual. And I was slightly aware that there was a compatibility issue between QC 3.0 and Type-C.
HOWEVER, tonight at about 12amish GMT. I kept smelling a burning smell... Which I thought it was my cat. but then when I decided to charge my phone using my Lumia 950 XL charger. I discovered the port had been burnt, and the cape and phone where burning ****ing hot! I felt the type-c plug from the charge against my top-lip and I got burnt...
I'm writing this a bit panic-y as I want everyone to just know TO BE CAREFUL. I'm not sure what exactly caused this as I have looked after the phone as if its my baby. Always case and a screen protector. I have a feeling this is down to compatibility!?
Anyone with similar issues, suggestions or such?
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Intraducinmista said:
So I was charging my phone like usual. And I was slightly aware that there was a compatibility issue between QC 3.0 and Type-C.
HOWEVER, tonight at about 12amish GMT. I kept smelling a burning smell... Which I thought it was my cat. but then when I decided to charge my phone using my Lumia 950 XL charger. I discovered the port had been burnt, and the cape and phone where burning ****ing hot! I felt the type-c plug from the charge against my top-lip and I got burnt...
I'm writing this a bit panic-y as I want everyone to just know TO BE CAREFUL. I'm not sure what exactly caused this as I have looked after the phone as if its my baby. Always case and a screen protector. I have a feeling this is down to compatibility!?
Anyone with similar issues, suggestions or such?
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The Lumia is c to c right? If so, yeah there were lots of reported issues where people used various c to c cables with a c brick (most were pixel or nexus chargers that I saw) that had the same issues you did. Think it ended up being that the 10 doesn't have the right safe checks in place to stop charging at 100%, and it just keeps trying to push 3 amps even when fully charged (could be wrong about that though)

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The Lumia is c to c right? If so, yeah there were lots of reported issues where people used various c to c cables with a c brick (most were pixel or nexus chargers that I saw) that had the same issues you did. Think it ended up being that the 10 doesn't have the right safe checks in place to stop charging at 100%, and it just keeps trying to push 3 amps even when fully charged (could be wrong about that though)
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mmm.. the phone was charging from almost nothing... I think I was charging it from about 20% using a zuk z1 cable plugged into my computer that was connected to a usb 3.0 port. the cable is 3.0 standard and the phone is 3.1 if I rememeber

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guyverzero said:
Think it ended up being that the 10 doesn't have the right safe checks in place to stop charging at 100%, and it just keeps trying to push 3 amps even when fully charged (could be wrong about that though)
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You don't Push Amps, you pull em, you Push Voltage.
The phone decides how much amps it wants to draw.
More likely missing cables inside the cable or bad quality Connector.
Was it an original Microsoft Cable from the 950 or bought afterwards?
P.S can't see the pictures. Just my bad Internet?

Haldi4803 said:
You don't Push Amps, you pull em, you Push Voltage.
The phone decides how much amps it wants to draw.
More likely missing cables inside the cable or bad quality Connector.
Was it an original Microsoft Cable from the 950 or bought afterwards?
P.S can't see the pictures. Just my bad Internet?
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I cant see the photos either

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I cant see the photos either
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doesn't appear the image tag correctly grabbed the microsoft drive images so i deleted the image format. Downside is you can't see them inline.. but the upside is you can click them to see em..

Read here...
..and follow the links at the bottom.

UPDATE: ok so, I've taken it back to the place I brought it from and they sent it to the repair centre (carphone warehouse). They've turned round and said tis water damage but I disagree as I do not like to keep my gadgets in places that are potential for issues. Will be taking it up with the shop. failing that, Trading Standards.
CAN SOMEONE HELP ME; does water corrosion look similar to that of corrosion caused by excessive current or connection shorting?

I had a ps4 controller do the same thing. it was cause by the cable was not 100% plugged into the controller port. it was still able to charge a bit but after awhile I noticed a burning smell... same results

Intraducinmista said:
UPDATE: ok so, I've taken it back to the place I brought it from and they sent it to the repair centre (carphone warehouse). They've turned round and said tis water damage but I disagree as I do not like to keep my gadgets in places that are potential for issues. Will be taking it up with the shop. failing that, Trading Standards.
CAN SOMEONE HELP ME; does water corrosion look similar to that of corrosion caused by excessive current or connection shorting?
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I would be looking for blue oxidation if it was water damage.
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dottat said:
I would be looking for blue oxidation if it was water damage.
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By any chance green oxidation would indicate electrical corrosion from shorting of the contacts?

QC3.0 cannot exists as TypeC output, also the standard is not supported by USB consortium which developed USB Power Delivery instead.
Benson Leung warned people, that type c to type c charging should be avoided.
Even HTC10 does not follow the official usb specification and uses QC so best any user can do, i using legacy USB type A to type c cable and using charger with USB A output port. Also all cables must have 56k ohm resistor, cheap one come with 11k resistor and could damage power charger or the device. Check Bensons google+, he even linked to Tronsmart chargers which were out of specification and should be avoided.

cavist said:
QC3.0 cannot exists as TypeC output, also the standard is not supported by USB consortium which developed USB Power Delivery instead.
Benson Leung warned people, that type c to type c charging should be avoided.
Even HTC10 does not follow the official usb specification and uses QC so best any user can do, i using legacy USB type A to type c cable and using charger with USB A output port. Also all cables must have 56k ohm resistor, cheap one come with 11k resistor and could damage power charger or the device. Check Bensons google+, he even linked to Tronsmart chargers which were out of specification and should be avoided.
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Yeh, I became aware of this when the QC3.0 was released. Though, my assumption was because I'm connecting between usb type-c to the phones type-c it wouldn't charge off the QC3.0 standard.
Initially, I was using the Nokia type-C charger which came with my Lumia 950XL. It charges at 15 Watts (5V, 3.0A). I had used this the majority of the time and hadn't gone wrong. Sometimes I'd use a portable battery charge which charged at a generic 5V 2A AND a Samsung nexus 10 charger which was a usb female and charged a the same rate.
I would've assumed (also judging from the new releases by QUALCOMM) that QC3.0 phones would either charge of USB standard OR take advantage of QC. I've never used type-c to type-c charging only because I never had the capability. There is a slider in the settings menu to use USB3.1 standard but again, never used it. always done this through a usb3.0 to usb type-c cable.

HTC10 charges normaly from any standard legacy USB port like your old HTC M7 usb wall charger or notebook usb ports. QC3.0 uses data lines in usb cable to provide power and this method is not approved by the USB consortium, thats why you can not also communicate with your phone in QC3.0 mode, because there is no free lines for data left. You can either fast charge, or switch to standard usb mode and transfer files without QC3.0.
USB TypeC standard forbids strictly manouvers over the cable like QC does. For this, the newest Chromebooks and Nexus uses approved USB Power Delivery.
The "problem" was, that Qualcomm is also part of research and development of USB Power Delivery but yet, they in the same time were developing QC3.0. Was it for pure marketing purpose or to fill the gap between USB PD going live, we can not tell.
The only way now to end this confusion is to wait for Qualcomm to switch for USB PD as a successor of QC3.0 because there is really no point of two competing charging standards which one is spec certified and the other is not.

cavist said:
HTC10 charges normaly from any standard legacy USB port like your old HTC M7 usb wall charger or notebook usb ports. QC3.0 uses data lines in usb cable to provide power and this method is not approved by the USB consortium, thats why you can not also communicate with your phone in QC3.0 mode, because there is no free lines for data left. You can either fast charge, or switch to standard usb mode and transfer files without QC3.0.
USB TypeC standard forbids strictly manouvers over the cable like QC does. For this, the newest Chromebooks and Nexus uses approved USB Power Delivery.
The "problem" was, that Qualcomm is also part of research and development of USB Power Delivery but yet, they in the same time were developing QC3.0. Was it for pure marketing purpose or to fill the gap between USB PD going live, we can not tell.
The only way now to end this confusion is to wait for Qualcomm to switch for USB PD as a successor of QC3.0 because there is really no point of two competing charging standards which one is spec certified and the other is not.
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so would this mean I will need to set my phone to file transfer mode if I want to charge from USB?
Also, for reference, is there a way to disable quick charge 3.0 (which I assume may be present in the build.prop file OR am I thinking more noob like)

Intraducinmista said:
so would this mean I will need to set my phone to file transfer mode if I want to charge from USB?
Also, for reference, is there a way to disable quick charge 3.0 (which I assume may be present in the build.prop file OR am I thinking more noob like)
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No, you must understand how usb and QC3 works. I will try to explain it as simply as I can.
Legacy USB have 4 cables inside, two for data transfer, one for curent and one for ground.
If you plug your phone to the usb in notebook, you can charge and transfer data in the same time.
What QC3.0 does, it is using the data paths for providing additional power, so when you plug it to your QC3 charger, it uses all the data routes/cables in USB only for additional and faster charging, so the data connection is blocked in this mode.

Ok, just came back from Carphone Warehouse. It looks as if the phone has corroded more during the time I've given it to them and the time its taken for it too come back.
The colour of the corrosion was of a greenish hue.

cavist said:
No, you must understand how usb and QC3 works. I will try to explain it as simply as I can.
Legacy USB have 4 cables inside, two for data transfer, one for curent and one for ground.
If you plug your phone to the usb in notebook, you can charge and transfer data in the same time.
What QC3.0 does, it is using the data paths for providing additional power, so when you plug it to your QC3 charger, it uses all the data routes/cables in USB only for additional and faster charging, so the data connection is blocked in this mode.
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I'm awar eof this, but my question is if it can be disabled on the phone or not.

Never heard of disabling QC. I do not think that HTC will provide any tool to disable built in chipset feature.

Charging speed on various ROMS

I know DASH charge is not supported on roms until later in July when the source is released but what are the charging speeds on various roms?
Do they get full charging speed at 5V?
On my oneplus 3 - Oxygen OS - I get 5V 1.5amps with the google nexus 5v/3a charger. In fact, it seems to limit charging speed to 1.5amps max for non dash chargers.
Can ROMs get 5v/3a?
Thanks,
Rico

Not until OP releases the source code. Hopefully by the end of July DASH charging will be implemented in custom ROMs.
The OP3 light ROM is basically custom stock and supports 5V/4A charging.

Not exactly what I mean. Can any of the custom Roms charge at higher than 1.5a at 5v? Most phones now can at least go to 2a if not 2.4a. Nexus 5x/6p can charge at 5v/3a.
Any Roms with charging rates above 5v/1.5a?
Any kernels?

iamrico00 said:
Not exactly what I mean. Can any of the custom Roms charge at higher than 1.5a at 5v? Most phones now can at least go to 2a if not 2.4a. Nexus 5x/6p can charge at 5v/3a.
Any Roms with charging rates above 5v/1.5a?
Any kernels?
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i got that same observations too if some kernel is released which can take at-least 2A of current without the dash chargers it would be awesome as then we can charge fast from power banks too

I would love them to remove the 1.5a limit as it 'currently' stands... Crazy that they don't allow rapid charging that's possible with Nexus usb-c to usb-c spec adapters

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I would love them to remove the 1.5a limit as it 'currently' stands... Crazy that they don't allow rapid charging that's possible with Nexus usb-c to usb-c spec adapters
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I can use Dash Charge here with CM13, no problems at all.
Maybe you are using an old ROM?

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I would love them to remove the 1.5a limit as it 'currently' stands... Crazy that they don't allow rapid charging that's possible with Nexus usb-c to usb-c spec adapters
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vitorgatti said:
I can use Dash Charge here with CM13, no problems at all.
Maybe you are using an old ROM?
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Certainly you can do that. I was continuing to talk about how the Stock ROM from oneplus is handicapped by limiting charging that isn't Dash, to 1500mA max input current (as far as my observations and a quick Google have shown), just complaining about Stock basically... Java
I guess they want you to buy more Dash equipment instead of getting 3A rapid charge out of a usb-c to c spec charger

This is because the Limit of the cable. Most cables only support 1500mA. So to prevent it from smelting it will only Dash charge with a Dash Charger..

Demian3112 said:
This is because the Limit of the cable. Most cables only support 1500mA. So to prevent it from smelting it will only Dash charge with a Dash Charger..
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People tend to not understand that the limitation is there for safety reasons. You can't safely use all kinds of fast charging with all kinds of hardware.
DASH keeps the voltage at stock 5V and bumps up the current to 4A, which would destroy standard cables (too thin).
Other types of fast charging mostly keep the current lower, but bump up the voltage. OnePlus 3 *does not* support QC3 (technical limitation, not software) so you're stuck with 5 volts. And at 5V you can't safely go above 1.5A with any cable.
So, if you want fast charging, you have to use DASH or VOOC (VOOC accessories are confirmed to work as intended with OP3 and tend to be cheaper).
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Sure, I understand that, but none of this is what I'm asking as far as I'm aware. Let me say it like this..
I'm sat here with three Nexus chargers.
They output 5V at 3A (to a 5X and 6P) as per USB-C to USB-C spec.
I also have a PC motherboard with a USB-C port. It also conforms and allows 3000mA through the cable. Because all USB-C to USB-C CABLE is supposed to allow up to 3000mA by the standard. DEVICES can request that to be 1.5A or 3.0A.
The USB-C to USB-C spec cable is 3000mA
I plug it into my OP3 and it only allows 1500mA
I'm pretty much just *****ing at Oneplus for not allowing something LESS than Dash charging on a certified specification for the USB-C port.
We are taking 5V 3A USB-C spec (can't by design be thin cables) versus 5V 4A DASH (custom USB-A cable) which means NO danger of melting cables.
So is the OP3 port just not compliant?
To follow up from wiki:
All USB-C to USB-C cables are considered full-featured USB Type-C cables and must be active, electronically marked cables that contain a chip with an ID function based on the configuration channel and vendor-defined messages (VDMs) from the USB Power Delivery 2.0 specification. USB Type-C devices may optionally support bus power currents of 1.5 A and 3.0 A (at 5 V) in addition to baseline bus power provision; power sources can either advertise increased USB current through the configuration channel, or they can support the full power delivery specification using both BMC-coded configuration line and legacy BFSK-coded VBUS line.
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So basically Oneplus in my eyes must have made a call to not enable 3A on a USB-C/USB-C cable, seeing as the in-device hardware is able to stomach 4A. It's just a matter of allowing communication to the USB-C spec charger to say, send 3A, I can cope with it.
I'd love to hear what you guys think.
I have a USB-C/USB-C car charger with 2x USB-A ports, and so i'm really bummed out that the OP3 won't accept the perfectly reasonable and safe 5V 3A it can give. I use the two other USB-As for other devices, so I don't want the single port DASH car charger from OP. It's a waste of space and investment...

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So basically Oneplus in my eyes must have made a call to not enable 3A on a USB-C/USB-C cable, seeing as the in-device hardware is able to stomach 4A. It's just a matter of allowing communication to the USB-C spec charger to say, send 3A, I can cope with it.
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I see that I forgot to mention another important piece of information before - the statement that I quoted here is not entirely true.
Remebrer that OnePlus boasted about keeping the device cool even while fast charging? Well, that's because they moved some of the hardware from phone to charger itself. Meaning that the phone alone does not have all the necessary internals to handle different charging inputs. Which is probably the reason that it only gives you 2 options: DASH or standard 1.5A @ 5V.
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Explorer23 said:
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People tend to not understand that the limitation is there for safety reasons. You can't safely use all kinds of fast charging with all kinds of hardware.
DASH keeps the voltage at stock 5V and bumps up the current to 4A, which would destroy standard cables (too thin).
Other types of fast charging mostly keep the current lower, but bump up the voltage. OnePlus 3 *does not* support QC3 (technical limitation, not software) so you're stuck with 5 volts. And at 5V you can't safely go above 1.5A with any cable.
So, if you want fast charging, you have to use DASH or VOOC (VOOC accessories are confirmed to work as intended with OP3 and tend to be cheaper).
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Explorer23 said:
I see that I forgot to mention another important piece of information before - the statement that I quoted here is not entirely true.
Remebrer that OnePlus boasted about keeping the device cool even while fast charging? Well, that's because they moved some of the hardware from phone to charger itself. Meaning that the phone alone does not have all the necessary internals to handle different charging inputs. Which is probably the reason that it only gives you 2 options: DASH or standard 1.5A @ 5V.
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Yes, but literally three amperes is less than four amperes. The voltage is the same. There is no different internals technically required to intake Less then the maximum amperage, that's just plain electronics.
The issue with heat they quote is due to Qualcomm Quick Charge using higher VOLTAGE which means a greater 'pressure' of current. Higher voltage needs better internals, but both of what I'm talking about are 5V and need no additional hardware to receive LESS amperage of 3A versus DASH's 4A.

every new roms support dash charge now

Old Nexus 6 Charger?

This is probably a dumb question, but if I buy some USB-C -> USB cables, can I use my old Nexus 6 charging bricks and still get fast charge on my Pixel? I have a couple of them from my Nexus 6, and I'd hate for them to be useless now.

Don't take my word for gospel but the OEM Nexus 6 charging block has the same output voltage as the pixels block.
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I used the USB cable that came with the XL with my N6 charger last night. Seems to work just fine.

You absolutely can. Just make sure you have a Benson approved cable.
Also, it won't charge as fast as the OEM charger.
The N6 Charger Specs:
Nexus 6 battery is 3220mAh Turbo charger rates:
[email protected]=14.4W (Turbo 2)
[email protected]=14.4W (Turbo 1)
[email protected] =9W (Standard output)
You will only get standard output since the Type-C standard is 5v only. So you will charge at approximately 1.6A rather than the approximate 3A from the Pixel Charger

Did you guys ( gals too . . . ) see the www.fixit.com tear down ?
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wtf ! there were the qualcom qc 3.0 chips soldered onto the main board . . .

old_fart said:
Did you guys ( gals too . . . ) see the www.fixit.com tear down ?
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wtf ! there were the qualcom qc 3.0 chips soldered onto the main board . . .
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What do those do for us?
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This may be helpful.
Below is a quote from a Google engineer from another forum.
"Will it be safe to use my nexus 6p USB-C charger with the pixel/XL?
I would advise against it. Please use the charger that comes in the Pixel box with it.?* The Nexus 6P charger will technically work with the cord it comes with, but if you use a USB-IF certified USB3.1 cord, the Nexus 6P charger behaves badly.
You do not want to risk a $800 phone on a $10 charger. If you use the OEM 18W Pixel charger, warranty will cover any problems you encounter.
Also, will it be safe to use any qualcomm Quickcharge charger?
Is the Qualcomm QuickCharge charger USB Type-A (square plug) or Type-C (round plug)?
Type-A (square plug) QC chargers: it depend on the manufacturer. Some make good chargers, others make bad. It depends on the maker.
Type-C (round plug) QC chargers: these are bad and go against the spec. I do not recommend using any Type-C Qualcomm QuickCharge chargers.
also, according to the processor spec, it does support quickcharge 3.0
No. The Pixel does not support QC at all. It uses USB-PD (PowerDelivery) at [email protected] and [email protected] levels. You need a USB-PD power supply with those levels or greater.
will there be any harm or advantage if i use a quick-charge 3.0 certified charger?
You need to speak to QualComm. I have personally tested "QualComm Certified" chargers that are bad. I have data to prove this. However there are many "good" QC3.0 chargers as well.
There will be no harm (if the charger is good). There is no advantage (if the charger is good). A QC Type-A charger will work like any other USB-A port and charge at 1.5A maximum. (It remains to be seen if the Pixel will recognize Apple 2.4A charging.)."
-Nathan K.
Link to said forum. Hopefully it's ok to paste here.
https://productforums.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/phone-by-google/jxhe1y4GRaU
https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/1PJZT2g61Ag

My Nexus 6 Motorola Turbo Charger charges faster than my included Pixel charger...
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neyenlives said:
My Nexus 6 Motorola Turbo Charger charges faster than my included Pixel charger...
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Thats weird because it shouldn't

uploder said:
Thats weird because it shouldn't
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Yeah I'm just saying based on how long it is saying it will take to charge to full on the lockscreen, when the phone is at the same level.
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Anyone have experience with micro USB to USB c adapters? I'd rather use that and carry around just a few cables
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Robert_W said:
You absolutely can. Just make sure you have a Benson approved cable.
Also, it won't charge as fast as the OEM charger.
The N6 Charger Specs:
Nexus 6 battery is 3220mAh Turbo charger rates:
[email protected]=14.4W (Turbo 2)
[email protected]=14.4W (Turbo 1)
[email protected] =9W (Standard output)
You will only get standard output since the Type-C standard is 5v only. So you will charge at approximately 1.6A rather than the approximate 3A from the Pixel Charger
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Awesome, thanks for the reply! So from what I am understanding, the cable is more important than the charging brick? I charge my phone every night, and I want to avoid fast charging in that scenario since I've heard that Fast Charges create more wear and tear on the battery than a standard charge. That being the case I'd like to use an old standard charging brick (like a samsung one) and then use a certified USB - USB-C cable to charge the phone.

My Nexus 6 block and pixel USB cable does not say charging quickly. It just says charging.
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yankeesfan714 said:
My Nexus 6 block and pixel USB cable does not say charging quickly. It just says charging.
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Wait till the battery is lower, then try again
Google Pixel XL Stop Motion Unboxing Video​

neyenlives said:
Yeah I'm just saying based on how long it is saying it will take to charge to full on the lockscreen, when the phone is at the same level.
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Sometimes those estimations vary quite a bit. Reinserting the plug resets this, and can sometimes change the estimation by a few hours.
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