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Moto x Master Accessory list

Here is a master list of all the accessories I have found for the Moto X.
Pleas post any cases or accessories you find for the Moto X in this thread.
I will continue to post cases and accessories here as they become available.
Cases
The Cruzerlite Experience case
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E6N63JY
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The Cruzerlite Bugdriod Circuit case
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E6N69OI
Trident Aegis Case
http://www.tridentcase.com/shop-products/motorola-moto-x/aegis-case-motorola-moto-x.aspx
Trident Cyclops Case
http://www.tridentcase.com/shop-products/motorola-moto-x/cyclops-case-motorola-moto-x.aspx
Seidio Surface
http://www.seidioonline.com/seidio-surface-motorola-moto-x-black-p/csr3mtxp-bk.htm
under development will update with a photo when available.
Incipio Shine
http://www.incipio.com/cases/smartp...s/feather-shine-case-for-motorola-moto-x.html
Incipio NGP
http://www.incipio.com/cases/smartp...oto-x-cases/ngp-case-for-motorola-moto-x.html
Incipio DualPro Shine
http://www.incipio.com/cases/smartp...s/dualpro-shine-case-for-motorola-moto-x.html
Case Mate Glimmer
http://www.case-mate.com/Moto-X-Cases/Case-Mate-Moto-X-Glimmer-Cases.asp
Cases Sold by AT&T
Speck CandyShell Case
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/accessories/cases/sku6860265.html#fbid=u1ciyHHoi6C
Ballistic LS Jewel Aspira Case
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/accessories/cases/sku6860269.html#fbid=u1ciyHHoi6C
Case-Mate Naked
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/accessories/cases/sku6860264.html#fbid=u1ciyHHoi6C
Incipio Dual Pro Shine Case
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/accessories/cases/sku6860258.html#fbid=u1ciyHHoi6C
Cases Sold by Motorola
Moto X Pro Shell Case By Incase
http://www.motorola.com/us/consumer...r-Moto-X-by-Incase/INCASE-PRO-SHELL-XFON.html
Moto X Snap Case By Incase
http://www.motorola.com/us/consumer...r-Moto-X-by-Incase/INCASE-SNAP-CASE-XFON.html
Screen Protectors
Seidio Ultimate Screen Guard - Crystal Clear
http://www.seidioonline.com/motorola-moto-x-ultimate-screen-guard-one-pack-p/spm1mtxp.htm
under development will update with a photo when available.
Zagg invisible Shield
http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/motorola-moto-x-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php
will update with a photo when available.
Dock
Moto X Navigation Dock By Griffin
http://www.motorola.com/us/accessor...y-Griffin/griffin-navigation-dock-moto-x.html
Moto X powerDock by Griffin
http://www.motorola.com/us/accessor...o-X-by-Griffin/griffin-power-dock-moto-x.html
Headphones:
Sol Republic Jax in-ear Headphones
http://www.motorola.com/us/accessor...Ear-Headphones/sol-jax-in-ear-headphones.html

Updates:
I will have my custom Moto X by the 20th of August and will start to post photos / reviews of all the cases I get.
here is a short video on the Moto Maker
http://youtu.be/kDW4vruMb6I
Cruzerlite Experience case / Bugdriod Circuit case
I just got 4 cases from Cruzerlite and will be posting a full review in a separate thread.
I wanted to share some photos here so you can get an idea what the cases will look like on the Moto X.
Experience case
Bugdriod Circuit case

Probably still early but has anybody seen any screen protectors for the phone?

jonnyg1097 said:
Probably still early but has anybody seen any screen protectors for the phone?
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The official screen protectors are up on motorola's website for $15. Comes in 3 different types too.

Cases for Moto X
Poetic Atmosphere Case for Motorola X Phone Moto X Phone Clear/Gray (3 Year Manufacturer Warranty From Poetic)
http://www.amazon.com/Poetic-Atmosphere-Motorola-Manufacturer-Warranty/dp/B00EENK1SA
Poetic Palette Case for Motorola Moto X Black (3 Year Manufacturer Warranty From Poetic)
http://www.amazon.com/Poetic-Palette-Motorola-Manufacturer-Warranty/dp/B00E5NOZDQ
Poetic FlipBook Case for Motorola Moto X Black (3 Year Manufacturer Warranty From Poetic)
http://www.amazon.com/Poetic-FlipBook-Motorola-Manufacturer-Warranty/dp/B00E5NOYR8
Case-Mate NAKED TOUGH for Moto X
http://www.case-mate.com/Moto-X-Cases/Case-Mate-Moto-X-Naked-Tough-Cases.asp
Case-Mate BARELY THERE for Moto X
http://www.case-mate.com/Moto-X-Cases/Case-Mate-Moto-X-Barely-There-Cases.asp
Case-Mate GLIMMER CASE for Moto X
http://www.case-mate.com/Moto-X-Cases/Case-Mate-Moto-X-Glimmer-Cases.asp

Docks
Desk-http://www.motorola.com/us/accessori...ck-moto-x.html
Car-http://www.motorola.com/us/accessori...ck-moto-x.html

( updated )I have added more cases to the list.

Otterbox has both the Commuter case and Defender case listed on their website. Amzer has several cases and at least one screen protector listed on their site. Armorsuit has screen protectors on their site.
http://www.otterbox.com/motorola-motox-cases/motorola-motox-cases,default,sc.html
http://www.amzer.com/Motorola/Motorola-Moto-X-XT1055-accessories.htm
http://www.armorsuit.com/cell-phones/motorola/motorola-moto-x.html

rodger-sp said:
( updated )I have added more cases to the list.
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you should add this review and some of the pics
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2415308

Griffin Reveal.
I bought the Griffin Reveal black case today at Best Buy mobile in Canada. I made a quick unboxing/review.
You can watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xsKUcN7OGg
ps. I only had the black option, but I have seen purple and blue on the web!

Best clear back Tpu case with minimal bulk that I have found. Not frosty clear colored, no patterns, or even logos. Going to buy this soon so I will report back on quality and fit.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Soft-Sh...9058090074&skuId=1645012&st=moto X&cp=1&lp=10
Edit: Really tight fit and good grip due to the silicone. It is slightly flexible to make it easy to take off, wash it, and put it back on. I admit that it is a little on the expensive side for $25, but this is probably the best I have found as an early motoX owner that allows the color customization to be showcased without the case getting in the way.

going to try the poetic atmosphere despite it being disappointing on my HTC One. at 4 bucks it's worth a shot.

gunnyman said:
going to try the poetic atmosphere despite it being disappointing on my HTC One. at 4 bucks it's worth a shot.
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I ordered one the other day. I have it for my S4 Active, it's alright. Nothing to write home about but it does the job.

this phone really doesn't NEED a caseIMHO but at 4 bucks it was worth checking out

Just saw this screen protector on Amazon for a penny: http://www.amazon.com/Skinomi-TechSkin-Motorola-Protector-Lifetime/dp/B00D49OUSW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1377521841&sr=8-2&keywords=moto+x+case+skinomi
Any thoughts? I thought these were decent... why only a penny?

grimez said:
Just saw this screen protector on Amazon for a penny: http://www.amazon.com/Skinomi-TechSkin-Motorola-Protector-Lifetime/dp/B00D49OUSW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1377521841&sr=8-2&keywords=moto+x+case+skinomi
Any thoughts? I thought these were decent... why only a penny?
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Most likely it is just an error in the Amazon system. But I would definitely try it out for a penny. What is there to lose? Although I was never a fan of paying more for shipping than what the product is priced at.

jonnyg1097 said:
Most likely it is just an error in the Amazon system. But I would definitely try it out for a penny. What is there to lose? Although I was never a fan of paying more for shipping than what the product is priced at.
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$2.96 total after shipping. Three for $8.88.

I updates the second post with some photos of the Cruzerlite TPU cases.

Awesome list! Thank you!

eldhojohn said:
Otterbox Defender Series Case for Motorola Moto X
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Bought this the day I got my X. After shattering my Note 2 screen, I won't not use this case.
Best cases by far.
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Poetic Line up of Google Nexus 5 Case

Poetic makes some great case for the Google Nexus 4, now they have the Google Nexus 5 Case line up for Pre-Order at introductory $0.01 + SH price:good::
1.Poetic Borderline Bumper Case for Google Nexus 5
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2. Poetic Atmosphere Case for Google Nexus 5 :
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:good: You pretty much can not go wrong with this low price lor + their 3 year warranty replacement

I didn't like ones for n4. Poetic had bad quality isdue.
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Purchased one of each!!! Thanks man
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Purchased the atmosphere and a black bumper....
Thanks for the heads up. Now I got 3 cases on the way for a phone that isn't even announced
>^.^< Sent From Meow HTC One

Thanks for the heads up!! ordered the black bumper.
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colored ones are on sale :victory:

Why would anyone buy the bumper or any case from them, their products are terrible and can't even handle being on the device they are designed for.
After picking up a bumper for the N4 and getting a replacement that also self destructed I'll be going for a s-curve TPU case that I have used since my nexus s days.

Poetic makes great case and their customer service is good as well. They rectify issues if come up. I would not hesitate to purchase from them. There is not many company out there like this, who actually care and revise their cases. It happened on my Revolution Nexus 7 2nd Gen Screen protector, they replaced it two weeks after my purchase.
Plus, their Bumpers look brilliant on my Nexus 4.

No combined shipping? .
I'm happy with the n4 bumper I have from them. Granted it was the third one they sent me before finding one that didn't fall a part right away.
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frigidazzi said:
No combined shipping? .
I'm happy with the n4 bumper I have from them. Granted it was the third one they sent me before finding one that didn't fall a part right away.
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Lol they are making there money on the shipping. You can't sell the cases at a penny a piece and expect them to combine shipping. Though it would had made more since to just sell the cases at 5 bucks each with free shipping
>^.^< Sent From Meow HTC One

nfl46 said:
Eh, I may get one. My poetic bumper cases were horrible on my iPhone 5 with a screen protector on.
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I have one on my Note 3 and so far it's perfect.
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I ordered the yellow one again. 1 cent + 5 ship..
The Customer Service has always been great. Lets hope they take their lessons learned from the N4 design and apply them to the N5.

Has anyone gotten one yet? I'm thinking of getting this to replace my supcase.
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Will the audio jack be wide enough to allow a 1/8inch audio jack? I have the m50 headphones with the oversized jack.

Any pictures of these? I think I'll replace my neo-hybrid. After 2 weeks of use i just realized they're too fat.

ej8989 said:
Any pictures of these? I think I'll replace my neo-hybrid. After 2 weeks of use i just realized they're too fat.
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I kinda agree. The width reminds me of the N4 with OEM bumper lol. But I love my neo hybrid with dbrand back.

kpjimmy said:
I kinda agree. The width reminds me of the N4 with OEM bumper lol. But I love my neo hybrid with dbrand back.
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Agreed on that Neo Hybrid. It's beautiful, but way too big. I've switched to my Supcase Unicorn Beetle case. It's a good fit in the hand, but the power button is so hard to press. It's nearly impossible to screen shot with this case. Shopping around for something else. Had my eye on the Poetic bumper. Wish they'd have black instead of gray for the secondary color, though.
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I ordered the Poetic Palette case. I like slimmer, hardshell cases and the Palette seems to wrap around the top and bottom better than most hardshell options. I've also never had a sandpaper case before and I've good things.
I'll post a review on Monday when I get it!

Cruzerlite Nexus 5 cases

Hey there guys Cruzerlite is back! They had awesome cases for the Nexus 4 and I plan on getting the black one for my (soon to ship) Nexus 5
Here's the link, they are affordable and reliable. http://www.amazon.com/Cruzerlite-Bu...1383598345&sr=8-1&keywords=nexus+5+cruzerlite

Ooh, thanks for the update! I loved how thin and bulkless it made my N4

I got a few of the bugdroid cases ordered. Can't wait. I have loved my evo lte case since it dropped, dropping it hundreds of times. Cheap and good basic protection.

I ordered a teal bugdroid one. It shipped yesterday from Hong Kong. I wonder how long it'll take to get here.

Ordered a green Androidified for the wifey and a Spi case for me.

I ordered the clear bug droid. I have yet to be disappointed with a Cruzerlite case:good:.

zerolgk5 said:
I ordered the clear bug droid. I have yet to be disappointed with a Cruzerlite case:good:.
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My nexus 5 comes in tomorrow

Thanks for the update I'll probably pick one up

Don't forget some pictures! :good:

I got a Bugdroid for my N5. Fits like a glove. Love it. Been using Cruzerlite since my Galaxy Nexus.

BenjRubenstein said:
I got a Bugdroid for my N5. Fits like a glove. Love it. Been using Cruzerlite since my Galaxy Nexus.
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Pictures and links

Bug droid in orange came in. Now just waiting for my nexus tomorrow! Will post pics tomorrow
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How well do these cases protect the front?
How about a drop that lands on an edge?
They only show the back of the phone, not any front pics.
Anyone have a pic of the front with the case on?
Edit: Since its buy 2 get one free I ordered one of the armor ones and two different color smaller ones. Lots of choices now. The phone kinda ugly and looks fragile so having a case or three is important to me.

Lythandra said:
How well do these cases protect the front?
How about a drop that lands on an edge?
They only show the back of the phone, not any front pics.
Anyone have a pic of the front with the case on?
Edit: Since its buy 2 get one free I ordered one of the armor ones and two different color smaller ones. Lots of choices now. The phone kinda ugly and looks fragile so having a case or three is important to me.
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There's a video review on Amazon. The guy seems to think it will "definitely" protect the phone from a fall... not sure how definite that is, but it seems well built albeit very thin.

Here is mine with the clear case on:
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umbra6 said:
Here is mine with the clear case on:
Back:
Front:
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very nice
I ordered the tpu in teal yesterday and plan on getting the spigen screen protector. I love my nexus 5 but I do not trust myself until its behind a case and screen protector

Ordered the green androidfied. First time using Cruz elite so hoping it'll be thin and nice.

Anyone have any other pictures of different colours?

gilljoy said:
Anyone have any other pictures of different colours?
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Here's mine
http://sdrv.ms/1hk29S9
Case fits perfectly
Cutouts are very good
Makes the phone easier to grip/handle

How thin or thick are these cases?

No clear/transparent cases to reveal the back?

Ordered a moto X this week (Navy back, white front and silver case...can't find a transparent hard case that shows the back...all cases so far seem to be opaque. The diztronic one has a matte finish..Any pointers?

seshsud said:
Ordered a moto X this week (Navy back, white front and silver case...can't find a transparent hard case that shows the back...all cases so far seem to be opaque. The diztronic one has a matte finish..Any pointers?
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Motorola.com. They have 5 different kinds of clear cases. How hard did you look?
http://www.motorola.com/us/accessories-cases-covers/

eyc said:
Motorola.com. They have 5 different kinds of clear cases. How hard did you look?
http://www.motorola.com/us/accessories-cases-covers/
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I did, they are expensive....nothing close to $10ish...

seshsud said:
I did, they are expensive....nothing close to $10ish...
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You could try this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Minisuit-Ultr...=1386219791&sr=8-5&keywords=moto+x+clear+case
It was $4 a couple days ago
I can't personally speak for that one, but I can for these:
http://www.amazon.com/Cruzerlite-Bu...=1387406862&sr=8-1&keywords=cruzerlite+moto+x
http://www.amazon.com/Cruzerlite-Ex...=1387406862&sr=8-7&keywords=cruzerlite+moto+x
Only the symbols/lines and sides are completely transparent, but I thought they looked nice with the custom backs. They are also very snug and solid. So tight, in fact, that you need to be very careful putting it on if you have a screen protector.
Also, it's B2G1 on those.

carock said:
You could try this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Minisuit-Ultr...=1386219791&sr=8-5&keywords=moto+x+clear+case
It was $4 a couple days ago
I can't personally speak for that one, but I can for these:
http://www.amazon.com/Cruzerlite-Bu...=1387406862&sr=8-1&keywords=cruzerlite+moto+x
http://www.amazon.com/Cruzerlite-Ex...=1387406862&sr=8-7&keywords=cruzerlite+moto+x
Only the symbols/lines and sides are completely transparent, but I thought they looked nice with the custom backs. They are also very snug and solid. So tight, in fact, that you need to be very careful putting it on if you have a screen protector.
Also, it's B2G1 on those.
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http://www.amazon.com/Griffin-GB38037-Reveal-Case-Motorola/dp/B00EI7CX1A
its not $10 but for the extra $9 its worth it haha I have this and the trident cyclops (beast)

Power support ones are very nice... Both the hybrid fusion style one and the hard shell. Love their screen protectors too. Worth the money for a good case.
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Jayrod1980 said:
Power support ones are very nice... Both the hybrid fusion style one and the hard shell. Love their screen protectors too. Worth the money for a good case.
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Can you still feel the dimple on back with this case?
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I bought this one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/370933503359 Looks pretty good. I had really wanted a clear TPU case but i cant find any that do not have the frosted look to them

gochiefs said:
I bought this one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/370933503359 Looks pretty good. I had really wanted a clear TPU case but i cant find any that do not have the frosted look to them
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Thanks I ordered this. hopefully it will provide good protection too besides being transparent and show off the Moto X...we'll see...

gochiefs said:
I bought this one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/370933503359 Looks pretty good. I had really wanted a clear TPU case but i cant find any that do not have the frosted look to them
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Could you upload a picture?

Air Jacket is clean and shows off the back and our corporate logo perfect.
Good protection have dropped 2 times both glass 1st and back 1st no damage.
Plus the side case edge matched the Moto X choice great for the buttons and camera ring.
You can feel the dimple on the phone as that part of the case is open.
Power Supply was a little slow to respond on questions on there FB page but very happy with the product!
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I bought one from Ebay and it is okay. The price was less than $5. Since I am a new member, I can't post outside links but it is called " Moto X Clear Slim TPU".

I decided not to use a case on mine. I am using a pouch and I'll use the bumper on occasion. My ideal case is a matte bumper with clear button covers.

SUPCASE
I just bought a SUPCASE and love it for the extra protection over my Bear Motion one. Both on Amazon. The SUPCASE has a clear back with black edges. Perfect for showing off the Moto X Dev Ed Black with White back if you ask me.

seshsud said:
Thanks I ordered this. hopefully it will provide good protection too besides being transparent and show off the Moto X...we'll see...
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Bad decision, got this case..installed it...but it seemed to have an odd effect on google now...ie the response was poor..so tried taking the case man...it was so painful...

I received my power supply air jacket case today. I like it a lot. The fit is perfect. I wish the back were more grippy, but the edges are just grippy enough.
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There are at least 5-10 on eBay that are hard clear cases. I bought two different ones for $3 each. Look harder!

[NEW] Poetic Revolution Case for the OPO

Heyyyy!! New hard case for the OPO comming out on March 31
IMO it looks way better than the Tudia, Jkase...
Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/OnePlus-One-C...d=1424103476&sr=1-2&keywords=oneplus+one+case
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I'm happy the Tudia wasn't available in Europe, now I can buy this one

Balada10 said:
Heyyyy!! New hard case for the OPO comming out on March 31
IMO it looks better than the Tudia, and it will be waterproof
Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/OnePlus-One-C...d=1424103476&sr=1-2&keywords=oneplus+one+case
No pictures yet, but at their instagram they posted this:
I'm happy the Tudia wasn't available in Europe, now I can buy this one
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Looks awesome!

Balada10 said:
Heyyyy!! New hard case for the OPO comming out on March 31
IMO it looks better than the Tudia, and it will be waterproof
Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/OnePlus-One-C...d=1424103476&sr=1-2&keywords=oneplus+one+case
No pictures yet, but at their instagram they posted this:
I'm happy the Tudia wasn't available in Europe, now I can buy this one
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Where are you getting waterproof from? On Amazon all it says is:
Embedded water-resistent screen protector cover buffers against scratches
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To me all that says is there is a screen protector glued in like the Tudia case. I could be just over looking the info though.

that case is hideous!
They need to make an Atomosphere case, STAT

BluGuy said:
Where are you getting waterproof from? On Amazon all it says is:
To me all that says is there is a screen protector glued in like the Tudia case. I could be just over looking the info though.
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Yep, sorry! I saw a guy asking on instagram if it was waterproof, and they said it's water resistant. Guess it's not the same concept

I like it, it reminds me of the cases that UAG make.

Looks ugly. I wish we had more choices. I just got a tudia omnix and its okay. Buttons suck.
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M gonna buy one of these for outdoor activities as for sure it can take small bumps
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Have had. Mine ordered for a month now....counting down the days ....hope the tempered screen protector works inside ...(fingers crossed)

happydad4130 said:
Have had. Mine ordered for a month now....counting down the days ....hope the tempered screen protector works inside ...(fingers crossed)
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I plan removing their screen protector, mine is better and enough

I can hardly wait for mine to get here !
So I can set it on fire and put this case out of it's misery.

Did anyone bought it? waiting for the review

I quite like the robust look of this case but would prefer the case without the screen protector part as I already have a tempered glass one on. Does anyone know if you can use it without the built in screen protector part?

gsmyth said:
I quite like the robust look of this case but would prefer the case without the screen protector part as I already have a tempered glass one on. Does anyone know if you can use it without the built in screen protector part?
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In that case i think tudia cygen dual layer case would do the job for you
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sandeeppathak007 said:
In that case i think tudia cygen dual layer case would do the job for you
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Yep thats a nice one too, it reminds me of the spigen slim armour clone case I had for my galaxy S4. Had about 5 or 6 cases for my S4 and it was probably the best of them all, really solid and provided great protection. It was a spigen copy also so it was only a few quid.

I've had the Poetic Revolution for a day now and after one charge the USB plug doesn't hold in place any more ....... after one charge!
I wish that I hadn't thrown money away for this case.

Twibble said:
I've had the Poetic Revolution for a day now and after one charge the USB plug doesn't hold in place any more ....... after one charge!
I wish that I hadn't thrown money away for this case.
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I agree.... I bought this case also and I could not get my volume buttons to work. I had to actually modify the volume buttons so they would work and I removed the USB flap cover so it would not bend my USB cable while connected to my One.
It is a very nice durable case however I dont like that I had to modify it to use it.

I have had this case for a while, the screen protector is water resistant but it isn't that high quality so I keep missing touches. Also, I can't reach the sides of the screen with my big fingers. It has protected my phone from multiple falls however, and it feels really solid but it does add heft