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Review of Sixth Sense rear touch controller w/pics!!!

This is review of Sixth Sense Case with built-in rear touch controller for Note 2 from DioSystems, http://www.diosystems.com/prod_eng.html
I have reviewed a lot of different accessories for Note 2 in the past few months. This one is really hard to classify under any category except one: UNIQUE!!! Unfortunately, I still haven't received any info about where this accessory could be purchased and for how much. I have looked very closely at their website, and found no links about on-line store or distributors. Also, my contact from the company who kindly provided a review sample didn't mention this info either. Make no mistake, this is a real deal finished product in manufacturing package, not a prototype or display sample from a trade show. Also, a very polished Sixth Sense app with configuration and detailed tutorial is available for download from Google Play. Furthermore from my research, Dio Systems apparently is a company that has been around for 5 years specializing in designs of pressure sensitive input devices. I assume this is their first commercial product, although I also found YT videos with S3 Sixth Sense case.
Now, about the product. I only had a very short time playing with it and feel like I only scratched a surface of its capabilities. What it is basically a pressure controller pad with 3 additional function buttons embedded in the back of a slim plastic case that fits Galaxy Note 2. The device is connected to Note 2 through micro-usb connector (some kind of a hidden ribbon cable running in the back of the case down to the bottom under a soft material so you don't scratch the back of the phone) and recognized as auxiliary accessory. Similar to how we can plug in a mouse or a keyboard or a storage device through otg cable, although without any additional software, device is recognized after you install Sixth Sense app (sort of like it's driver). Controller gets it's power through that micro-usb connection, and I believe it draws very minimum amount including sleep management when not in use. Micro-usb port is duplicated on the case so you can still charge up your phone without taking it out. As a matter of fact there is a switch which either enables charging of the phone (path-through mode) or using controller as auxiliary device and perhaps connecting other devices (still haven't tried it yet). Case itself is made out of very sturdy PC material. It does add bulk at the bottom where you connect micro-usb connector to the phone. Also, it offers a very minimum protection since sides are exposed, and there is hardly any lip when you place it down (my tempered glass protector was thicker than edge of it's lip). I really hope Dio Systems will consider having TPU case designed to go on top of it with a cutout for touch controller/buttons. Aside from that, case feels very solid and has all the proper cutouts for speaker, s-pen, mic, headphones, etc. Absolutely no issues removing s-pen, or interferences with it. Touch pad has 4 directional arrows to easily identify it by touch, and so does 3 functional buttons with it's own symbols for easier identification. This is VERY ergonomic design, and I actually found it especially useful with FlyGrip (I attached it later) where you can have a truly one hand experience controlling the phone.
The control itself has 3 different modes, 4-way mode (pushing in direction of arrows), Gesture mode (swiping in different directions), and Mouse mode (you get an actual mouse pointer). There is a very high level of configuration where you can assign different modes for different application depending on which mode is more convenient to use. I took snap shots of tutorial screen so you can get a better idea about it. The possibilities are limitless, and after a short time using Sixth Sense - it becomes addictive. Also, as I mentioned before with a proper attachment to the case for a better handling of it in your hand - you don't feel any fatigue using it that way. Holding it by itself may be a little slippery after awhile, thus a need for external TPU case/skin.
In summary, I think its a VERY unique accessory for Note 2. As a matter of fact, it's so unique - almost like a novelty item! Some might argue why do you need it when you can use your other hand to touch the screen and perform the same actions. Well, I think it accomplishes one very important task which is the ability to control your phone and to enjoy full real estate of 5.5" screen without your fingers getting in the way Is this something I would leave permanently on my phone - probably not. But I can easily see myself using it as a game controller, or while reading books or watching videos at home where I have less chance of dropping it I wish I would have more info about where this could be ordered, but hopefully I will update my post as this will become available to me. Also, in addition to my pictures, I'm also posting below YT video links from DioSystems which demonstrates in all glory detailed functionality and use of this brilliant controller!!! Also want to mention that package included a very detailed instruction folded-booklet (in English).
Main description (N2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7xJtFCQUlI
Description (using S3): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpIiz_dcXBY
N2, gaming p1 (temple run): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEbtEA8BQLY
N2, gaming p2 (dragon flight): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWUHrYu7SyY
Zooming function (using S3): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQzH2AeCUfg
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Looking forward to your review, haven't seen anything like this for the note 2, hope it's not just a gimmick but actually of good use.
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DOG666 said:
Looking forward to your review, haven't seen anything like this for the note 2, hope it's not just a gimmick but actually of good use.
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Not sure what you mean cause review is up above I was thinking about making a short video, but after seeing all those pro videos with back mirrors done by Dios already, I figured I will leave it up to professionals. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. Btw, inside of the case there is a label with dimensions and weight; I took a close up of it.
Also, I just sent a link to this review to DioSystems and ask them again if they can let us know about availability and pricing. It would be a shame if this not going to see a light of the day. Btw, I came across yesterday either a video or a site (in German? maybe?) where they took apart this controller to analyze it. Forgot to bookmark it and can't find it anymore. If anybody comes across it, please post a link here. Btw, I left a second post as place holder for any additional video links, pictures, other info. Just don't want to clutter original post with updates.

Tag.
This looks interesting.
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Not sure what you mean cause review is up above I was thinking about making a short video, but after seeing all those pro videos with back mirrors done by Dios already, I figured I will leave it up to professionals. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. Btw, inside of the case there is a label with dimensions and weight; I took a close up of it.
Also, I just sent a link to this review to DioSystems and ask them again if they can let us know about availability and pricing. It would be a shame if this not going to see a light of the day. Btw, I came across yesterday either a video or a site (in German? maybe?) where they took apart this controller to analyze it. Forgot to bookmark it and can't find it anymore. If anybody comes across it, please post a link here. Btw, I left a second post as place holder for any additional video links, pictures, other info. Just don't want to clutter original post with updates.
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Oddly enough, from the mobile version of XDA I couldn't see your review. From my desktop it shows up fine. Weird.
Anyway, have you tried any landscape mode games?

apallohadas said:
Oddly enough, from the mobile version of XDA I couldn't see your review. From my desktop it shows up fine. Weird.
Anyway, have you tried any landscape mode games?
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Indeed strange, maybe it was taking too long to load all the pictures or something?
I actually don't have too many games on my N2, keeping it lean since I use it for work a lot. But planning to install some soon. My kids play temple run all the time, so will have to install that one. I'm pretty sure it will work with either portrait or landscape mode games.

Dio System got back to me that a price should be around $40-$45 and they are still working on distribution channels.
Personally, I would prefer for this to have stand alone option of enclosed touch-pad with buttons inside some slim self-adhesive case (use a good self adhesion like Bunker Ring stuff), and have shielded ribbon cable attaching to the micro-usb port externally. This way you can use it with most of the phones and different cases. That would have been cool!!!

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DOG666 said:
Looking forward to your review, haven't seen anything like this for the note 2, hope it's not just a gimmick but actually of good use.
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Thanks

vectron said:
Dio System got back to me that a price should be around $40-$45 and they are still working on distribution channels.
Personally, I would prefer for this to have stand alone option of enclosed touch-pad with buttons inside some slim self-adhesive case (use a good self adhesion like Bunker Ring stuff), and have shielded ribbon cable attaching to the micro-usb port externally. This way you can use it with most of the phones and different cases. That would have been cool!!!
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Thanks for this; it does look interesting. It looks as though it could be used with the Samsung flip cover attached.to the Note 2.

MoKo Slim Folding Cover Case - Review

EDITED FOR NEW IMFORMATION:
Ok the first of the new cases I ordered is here, and I thought I would give some sort of a review on it since I know good information about Nexus 2013 cases is at a premium right now. I am by no means a tech review professional so forgive me any mistakes or whatever, just giving my opinion so far. I will try to be as exhaustive as I can because I feel that too much information can't hurt anyone.
Here is the case.
The Good: Well made, fits tablet perfectly, looks nice, feels nice in hand.
The Bad: The stand on this device is horrible. If you decide you want a case that offers a well placed, functional stand for Netflix or reading, this is NOT the case for you. EDIT: Just realized that Smart Cover function is not very smart. See video below, but if you like this function this case may be a bad investment.
The Verdict = 3 Stars: As long as you don't require a stand that's particularly stable, easy to use or adjustable in any way, or like the smart-cover functionality, this device is nearly perfect in all other areas.
First Impression:
As I more or less expected, it came in a simple plastic bag with no name on it. With these early Chinese cases, this is normal I have found. Also noticed right away that the stamped in logo on the front reads "MOCO" not "MOKO". Actually it could just be a bad attempt at an English "K" but it certainly reads as "C". Not an issue for me, just something you notice right away. The case smells fine. Weird thing to say but this has been a problem with cheap Chinese cases in the past, where they smell like the toxic waste likely produced when making them. This one has very little smell at all, and not at all unpleasant.
Upon Further Review: As I began to look at the case, I will say that I was a little more impressed than I thought I would be. I ordered this case SOLELY because it was shipping soonest, and I had another case in mind for my daily driver. It won't be released till the 23rd. Installation of the device into the case was a breeze. I was pleasantly surprised to see a Velcro fastener in here. I had hoped for one but you couldn't tell on the pictures, so it was a nice find. Once I Velcro'd the case in there, I found the fit extremely satisfactory. The cutouts and openings are all flawlessly placed for maximum accessibility with max protection as a secondary goal. Exactly what you'd expect from a Slim case. The only possible gripe for some of you is that the headphone cutout is VERY close to the jack and if you have a fat headphone connector on your cans, they may not fit or may cause sideways pressure on the jack itself. It isn't a problem with either my Apple Earbuds or my Sennhieser cans, but I could see it as a potential issue for some, perhaps users of full-sized cans. The camera, for you douche bags who want take photos with your tablet, works fine while in the case. The girl i was with last night was kind enough to be my test subject an there was no sign of a blockage or other line-of-sight issue.
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The feel of the case itself is that of plain ole Faux Leather. This Folio is VERY smooth, with literally no texture at all. Makes it fairly slippery compared to my old Blurex, but I don't see it as being "too" slippery to the point where you might drop it. I suppose if this can be an issue for you or your kids, another case might better suit you. The case forms a nice overlap of about half an inch all the way around the tablet, so the occasional short drop will very likely be survivable. A spill is another matter, however. As with all slim cases, it offers little in the way of protection from errant liquids.
The strap on the back and the, uh, totally NOT superfluous credit card holder, both work fine but in a barely useful sort of way. Honestly I'd say they serve no purpose at all except at the very least they do offer some minuscule amount of shock absorbency if you should drop the thing face down.
Finally I looked at the stand. I immediately wished I hadn't. Boy does this thing stink. It's very difficult to get the device into a standing position(impossible in portrait since this one is landscape only). Once there, it is not very stable. The bottom of the case, the part it rests upon while standing, has a bend in it(where the spine of the case is). This makes it extremely prone to tip over backwards. Especially while sitting it up to begin with. This process is neither user friendly or intuitive. Even after doing it several times and having a full understanding of it, it just never feels smooth. It feels awkward and rather annoying to prop it up every time. Below is a photo of the device froma side view so you can see what I mean.
After my last case, a BLUREX Magyc folio Case With Multi-Angle Stand I suppose I just expect a certain amount of ease when it comes to this, for it to require no thought and little effort to prop up my device. When I am working I am constantly closing my tablet then opening it again to read. Many, many times per day. Therefor this is a deal-breaker to me. For those of you who care less about the feature, or use it far less often, you may not mind it at all.
EDIT: NEW INFORMATION ABOUT THIS CASE. The smart-cover function barely works. I didn't notice this before because I hadn't really spent any time with the case. But now that I have, it rarely works to unlock my tablet. I don't know if the magnet is too weak, small or placed wrong. Being that this is a cheap Chinese case it may simply be that my particular case is made poorly, and others will not have this problem. Below is a video to show what I mean. I will be adjusting the device to 3 stars because of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sGNwF_G16s
I really don't know what else to say so I will just pot a couple more shots of the case and leave it at that.

Thanks for the review! I was just about ready to pull the trigger on this one, but now I will explore other options.

Dassin4 said:
Thanks for the review! I was just about ready to pull the trigger on this one, but now I will explore other options.
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Exactly why I posted it. It's a fine case other than the stand issue. But for me that's the most important feature of a case. Good luck in your search and if Blurex posts a new Magyc case for our device, JUMP ON IT. They released a new case today, I got email about it. Just not the type I want. It's likely better than the one above, since it does not have a stand which bends under and back, but instead works almost like the one I am used to.

I think the stand is perfect.....not sure wtf you really talking bout there..

tweaked said:
I think the stand is perfect.....not sure wtf you really talking bout there..
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To each his own I suppose. Glad you are happy with the feature. I am not. Perhaps my unit is made wrong, or we just have different ideas about what constitutes a good stand. As long as you are happy, I'm happy for ya.

Landara said:
To each his own I suppose. Glad you are happy with the feature. I am not. Perhaps my unit is made wrong, or we just have different ideas about what constitutes a good stand. As long as you are happy, I'm happy for ya.
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Well from your pictures you dont even have it tucked in all the way... But its completely stable and at a perfect cubicle desk viewing angle....
For 99 cents...what I paid, this may be the best case I have ever seen. Then again, I may just have lower expectations for 99 cents.

tweaked said:
Well from your pictures you dont even have it tucked in all the way... But its completely stable and at a perfect cubicle desk viewing angle....
For 99 cents...what I paid, this may be the best case I have ever seen. Then again, I may just have lower expectations for 99 cents.
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I am not considering the price in this review. The point of it is to help people determine if this case is a suitable daily driver for them. If you start adjusting value vs price point etc, this whole thing gets messy fast. I am only looking at the end result, which is the case you get. I'll leave it to others to decide if a case is worth more to them because it costs less, etc. I did in fact have it all the way tucked in when doing this review. Maybe not in the picture, but that fact has not made it any less annoying to prop it up compared to a case like my previous one. So i stand by my opinion, which is after all just my opinion and not a statement of fact. Others can read my review, and yours if you chose to make one, and decide for themselves

wait... what???
hahahahaha
I'm cracking up. am I the only one that sees this? hahaha
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jayochs said:
wait... what???
hahahahaha what's up with the pic dude?
I'm cracking up. am I the only one that sees this? hahaha
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Obviously that's just a bit of humor and in no way a legally admissible representation of my activities last night or any other night.... ever.

Landara said:
Obviously that's just a bit of humor and in no way a legally admissible representation of my activities last night or any other night.... ever.
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Heh, I thought it was funny. If that makes a difference. lol
I also applaud the panty shot.:laugh:

hahaha I thought you ended up meaning to post a pic of the case, but accidentally uploaded something from your private stash... hahahah
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Quality very well written review. Thank you, even though it didn't help as I already received the case. I still enjoyed the review haha, good **** man

Updated the OP with some new and unfortunate information about this case, for anyone reading this far down

OK, call me a pervert but she was wearing purple
OK I stop. Thanks for the review.

That new updated info could vary between devices because I do not have that problem. So it's hit or miss

karnoff said:
That new updated info could vary between devices because I do not have that problem. So it's hit or miss
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Yup but certainly worth mentioning. I doubt the screw up was on just *ONE* case. Likely they had a bad batch or two get out. Best to warn people at least.

Landara said:
Yup but certainly worth mentioning. I doubt the screw up was on just *ONE* case. Likely they had a bad batch or two get out. Best to warn people at least.
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True. Just wanted to mention mine is fine. For now...haha

huangfch said:
have you ruled out the possibility of a defective power circuit on your nexus 7 or something like that? You case seems to turn the screen off just fine but only fails to turn the screen back on. It it is a misplaced or weak magnet , I would think it should be the other way around.
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I suppose that is possible. Never heard of such a thing before. I will have to check into it. I've a new case coming in a day or 2, that will tell me. If it still does it with that case, I may return it.

I received a Poetic Slimbook case yesterday, which resembles the Moko the most (compared to other Chinese brands), and the sleep/wake function works very poorly. I think the case magnet is too weak. Its smaller than the magnets in the flap, plus it is buried under the elastic interior strap (more material between the magnet and sensor in tablet). After practicing opening and closing the flap for several minutes the tablet responds better, but still only 60-70% of the time.

I received this one and the slim one today {shipped august 12} from China to Canada. 14.xx$ for both, I have to say they are pretty well built for 7$ each {or 0.99$ each + shipping}

Exact bluetooth keyboard for $9.95 on Amazon

It's from the same seller that sells the Poetic cases so customer service should be stellar if there are any problems. And their keyboard for the 1st gen N7 gets pretty decent reviews.
http://www.amazon.com/Exact-Bluetoo...=8-1&keywords=exact+google+nexus+7+2+keyboard
Here are the reviews for the 1st gen:
http://www.amazon.com/Exact-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Rubberized-Non-Slip/dp/B00AD9RLJ6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_pc_2

This is exactly what I came here looking for: a Bluetooth keyboard to use with my Nexus 7. For $10, I think I'll pull the trigger. The reviews of the first-gen aren't too promising, but it seems like they took care of a few of the concerns voiced in those reviews (the Tab key, etc.). I guess I'll find out whether or not I like it when it gets here. Again, for $10, why not?

I figured the same. I've spent 10 bucks on dumber stuff than this...let's give it a try.

Wow... $10 looks like a steal for that keyboard; I bought what looks like the same one for 3 times as much off ebay.
If it is the same one, I like it a lot less than the model for the original Nexus 7. The ridge around it (the silver part) is actually taller for some reason -- though the entire thing is still slimmer thanks to the nexus 7 itself being slimmer -- but the worst part is the fit; it's loose, the tablet slides around (horizontally if you are reading the nexus logo straight on.) (If the "Exact" model DOESN'T have that issue please let me know so I can get one. )
None of that is a deal breaker for me though; I still like the case enough to use it. Keeps the screen protected and clips in and out, then lets you type when you need to.

GhostNGoblins91 said:
If anyone who gets this case can post some pics and reviews, that would be much appreciated. I'm looking for a good, no frills keyboard, and this could be it.
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By the time someone gets it and posts a review, they're probably going to raise the price. They always start off with an introductory promo price like they did with the Poetic case. FWIW, the same keyboard for the old N7 is $18.95.

I should've bought it last night. The price has already doubled & jumped to $19.95.

Damn, I wanted it for 10 bucks. I'll wait for it.
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See edit; the issue outlined in the following paragraph has been remedied:
Well I got mine today, and I have to say, I'm kind of disappointed. It fits the tablet perfectly when closed, but it JUST misses the mark when standing it up. It seems like the lip where the bottom part of the tablet hits, to prevent it from falling over, is around half a millimeter too long, the tablet almost catches, but doesn't quite do it. I think just a little bit more of the tablet needs to get underneath it, and it'll catch. I have some pics that I took; I'll upload them later tonight or early tomorrow (I don't usually post from the mobile app).
That aside: I really like this case. It fits the N7 snugly when closed, the keyboard part works well, and it seems like it would protect the tablet if one should need it. I would be extremely satisfied with this keyboard/protector if only the tablet stood in it. I'll try to contact customer service and let them know the critical design flaw so they can remedy it ASAP.
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OK, never mind the first paragraph. Figured it out. The little rubber strip down in the groove where the tablet sits to stand up wasn't fully glued down so the tablet was sitting higher than it should have been. After pressing the strip down to be flush with the bottom of the groove, the tablet now stands up. I'm happy now. After using it this weekend I'll edit this post with a review after using it a few days.
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Hmm it looks like a nice keyboard but is it stable? Like it looks like a small tap and Itll come off and fall off ...which wouldn't be nice for my Nexus

I ended up getting this Logitech keyboard from Ebay. It doesn't function as a case like the Exact keyboard but it's longer so typing should be more comfortable. Won the auction for $16 including shipping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlKQJtNjl0E

Mine showed today as well. Very happy for 10 bucks. Works a treat.
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clankfu said:
I ended up getting this Logitech keyboard from Ebay. It doesn't function as a case like the Exact keyboard but it's longer so typing should be more comfortable. Won the auction for $16 including shipping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlKQJtNjl0E
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I heard that this logitech keyboard was incompatible with the new Nexus 7 and gives repeated inputs because of that bluetooth bug.
Hope to hear from you coz I'm considering this keyboard as well.

roytse said:
I heard that this logitech keyboard was incompatible with the new Nexus 7 and gives repeated inputs because of that bluetooth bug.
Hope to hear from you coz I'm considering this keyboard as well.
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I'll let you know when I get it and try it out.

how much battery does a bluetooth keyboard drain off the tablet?

floryn35 said:
how much battery does a bluetooth keyboard drain off the tablet?
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Directly? None.
Indirectly (meaning requiring the Bluetooth antenna be on at all times)? Very little in the grand scheme of things.

roytse said:
I heard that this logitech keyboard was incompatible with the new Nexus 7 and gives repeated inputs because of that bluetooth bug.
Hope to hear from you coz I'm considering this keyboard as well.
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I received it today and briefly tested it. Didn't experience any repeated inputs.
I really like it so far. Very comfortable to type on and the function keys work well except for the browser key which kind of sucks. I'm wondering if there's any way to map that key to open a 3rd party browser.

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I received it today and briefly tested it. Didn't experience any repeated inputs.
I really like it so far. Very comfortable to type on and the function keys work well except for the browser key which kind of sucks. I'm wondering if there's any way to map that key to open a 3rd party browser.
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Thank you for your input, I might go ahead and buy that

I purchased this keyboard because for $10 why not. The build quality is nice, connecting to bluetooth is simple and it works, it functions well, the rechargeable battery is nice and everything. I especially like that it clips on to the N7 but that's also the 2 issues I have with the keyboard. 1 being it's a bit too small for my comfort and 2 being that the clip right by the space bar makes it difficult to hit the space bar. It's not really the keyboard fault I guess, those 2 things are sacrificed for the convenience of having it clip onto the N7 (though I do have a case already, it makes it easier to be able to carry the KB together with the case, haven't used my N7 outside the house yet however). For what I paid it's great, I wouldn't send it back but it still doesn't make typing that much easier for me. Trust me I'm trying to get better with typing on it, I've typed about those damn quick brown foxes so many times but I just end up making so many typos.
The only other keyboard I was looking at was the $40 Logitech one but it's pretty bulky for a 7 inch tablet (though that's probably the smallest it can get without sacrificing functionality) , it takes 4 batteries and I hear it has issues with the latest Jelly Bean. So whatever, for $10 I'll take what I can get.

ohmimpotence said:
The only other keyboard I was looking at was the $40 Logitech one but it's pretty bulky for a 7 inch tablet (though that's probably the smallest it can get without sacrificing functionality) , it takes 4 batteries and I hear it has issues with the latest Jelly Bean. So whatever, for $10 I'll take what I can get.
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I think you're referring to this Logitech keyboard I posted above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlKQJtNjl0E
I haven't had any issues with it. I wouldn't necessarily call it bulky but yea, it's nowhere close to as compact as the Exact keyboard. I was willing to sacrifice a little size for typing comfort though. Got it for $16 on an Ebay auction.

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I think you're referring to this Logitech keyboard I posted above.[/url]
I haven't had any issues with it. I wouldn't necessarily call it bulky but yea, it's nowhere close to as compact as the Exact keyboard. I was willing to sacrifice a little size for typing comfort though. Got it for $16 on an Ebay auction.
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Nice, that's a steal at $16 and it looks like it actually functions as a great keyboard. I personally love Logitech products, I haven't seen much negative about that keyboard (aside from the batteries imo, is it 4 AAA? Some reviews said only 2 but some say 4)and I'd probably buy it also if I could find it for around that price. Bulkys not the word so much as not as convenient relative to the Exact.. I originally wrote too big for a 7 inch tablet, carrying it around and everything, though it really needs to be that big for functionality but yea, if you need to actually write some lengthy stuff on the go then it's worth the trade off.

[Q] Bluetooth keyborad with case

Hi guys,
what do you think on the following:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bluetooth-Keyboard-Case-Cover-For-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10-1-2014-Edition-White-/261357493627?pt=US_Tablet_eReader_Cases_Covers_Keyboard_Folios&hash=item3cda1edd7b
seems to be a slim case with keyboard...
any other ideas?
my dream is to have one of the Logitech products to fit our tablet....

boiteta said:
Hi guys,
what do you think on the following:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bluetooth-Keyboard-Case-Cover-For-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10-1-2014-Edition-White-/261357493627?pt=US_Tablet_eReader_Cases_Covers_Keyboard_Folios&hash=item3cda1edd7b
seems to be a slim case with keyboard...
any other ideas?
my dream is to have one of the Logitech products to fit our tablet....
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I just bought one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Ke...=Kensington+KeyFolio+Expert+Multi-Angle+Folio
It's a cheap case at $20 and the keyboard is made of cheap plastic (definitely doesn't feel as sleek as the Logitech ones). The black fabric case is also not real leather (and definitely does not feel like real leather).
BUT, the important thing is that the samsung galaxy note 10.1 (2014) edition WILL fit this case. Since the galaxy is about .07" wider than an ipad 4 (retina), you can fit (albeit tightly) your samsung note into the plastic slide holders that this case has for the ipad. (It will fit, you just have to shimmy it in carefully).
Mine just arrived this morning and i was able to pair it with my samsung without any issues. Even after the tablet screen goes blank, it seems to keep the bluetooth pairing, so I'm very happy. Only downside that I have seen is that there is no cutout for the microusb charging port (but I might take an exacto blade to it and try to make my own.)
Will be taking the case and tablet with me for the holidays and see how well it works with continued usage.

@scrabbles
can you tell us your experiences with bluetooth keyboard and battery drain? i dont know whether to decide a case with/without external.

DrMystica said:
@scrabbles
can you tell us your experiences with bluetooth keyboard and battery drain? i dont know whether to decide a case with/without external.
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Hmm. I haven't spent a full day with my tablet on bluetooth. I do notice that if the auto-sleep functionality works, then there is minimal battery drain even if I leave bluetooth on. The issue tends to be if I have a case that doesn't fit perfectly (like the kensington one above), then the auto-wake gets triggered, making the battery drain overnight. I usually lose about 30% over 6-8 hours in that case.
I will keep a closer eye on it and report back. I've also been playing around with having an external thumb keyboard (rather than a full-blown keyboard), because those are much smaller and more convenient to carry around. I did also pick up one of the logitech external keyboards (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/tablet-keyboard-ipad) with the stand, but I'm not sure if I'm going to keep that one since the keyboard is huge (but excellent build quality) and not very portable IMHO.

boiteta said:
Hi guys,
what do you think on the following:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bluetooth-K...es_Covers_Keyboard_Folios&hash=item3cda1edd7b
seems to be a slim case with keyboard...
any other ideas?
my dream is to have one of the Logitech products to fit our tablet....
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Bought one from another seller. I will be getting mine tomorrow and will let you know how it goes. It took over a month to get this as the seller mentioned the first batch they received wasn't up to their standards and they resent it to the manufacturer.
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aznmode said:
Bought one from another seller. I will be getting mine tomorrow and will let you know how it goes. It took over a month to get this as the seller mentioned the first batch they received wasn't up to their standards and they resent it to the manufacturer.
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Here's my review
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49097208&postcount=56

aznmode said:
Here's my review
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49097208&postcount=56
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Do you have a link to the seller you purchased your keyboard from? Great review, btw. Thanks!
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DrMystica said:
@scrabbles
can you tell us your experiences with bluetooth keyboard and battery drain? i dont know whether to decide a case with/without external.
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As an update, I switched over to the logitech keyboard that is a separate keyboard with no case (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/tablet-keyboard-ipad). Battery drain with bluetooth on has been pretty minimal. I'm happy with the battery life - the primary drain is still going to come from the screen and not from having the BT on. I can still go several hours with the BT keyboard connected so no complaints here.

scrabbles said:
Do you have a link to the seller you purchased your keyboard from? Great review, btw. Thanks!
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It's in that thread. Just need to go back 5-10 posts.

Here you go
eBay: http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271327702944
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Logitech just announced their Case+Keyboard combo at CES for their PRO line. I read a comment on Engadget that they also announced one coming for our 10.1 but cannot find anything solid on it.
Heres their press release;
http://blog.logitech.com/2014/01/06...size-keyboard-for-samsungs-brand-new-tablets/

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/tablet-keyboard-android-win8-rt?crid=26
Thats what i went with. Only need to use the keyboard here and there. I can keep the smartcase on and it stands up at a great angle. Found it for $30 brand new and free shipping on ebay.
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Would this fit ?
Logitech Ultrathin Keyboard Folio for Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/ultrathin-keyboard-folio-for-samsung-galaxy-tab?crid=1242
The dimensions seem pretty close ...

I just called logitech to see if they would be coming out with a folio for our tablets, the reps gave me the typical answer unfortunately... "we don't have any information on that at this time and if we are, logitech will announce it on the site".
I will say though, something did catch my attention during the conversation. I asked if they had a folio for the Galaxy Note 10.1 and he knew EXACTLY what I was talking about, as he referred to the 2014 edition. In my opinion, that can be interpreted in 1 of 2 ways: either several people are calling and asking for it, or they really do have one in the works.
Although I'm ready to purchase a case and keyboard right now, I think I may wait until my next paycheck to see what logitech does. I'll purchase a super cheap case in the meantime though.

What do you think about this one? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00H3KM29M/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&psc=1&s=computers or this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FJTV0PG/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&psc=1&s=computers ?
Its seems to be 100% compatible with 10.1 2014 edition, has a good BT keyboard with case and got very nice reviews...
Its not expensive.
I am almost ready to order, just wanted to check if anyone had experience with it.

Kensington
I think someone posted about this keyboard here, so i give it a shot and bought this case with keyboard. The quality is awesome. This case is basically for ipad 4 but it works fine with this tablet. fitting 99% proper. I got this for $17 usd. originally priced for $99.
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Does it have a home or back button that works with the Note? Also how is the tablet screen protected from the kb once closed?
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aznmode said:
Does it have a home or back button that works with the Note? Also how is the tablet screen protected from the kb once closed?
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It has the home button but it doesn't work with note tablet since this keyboard is meant to be work with iPad. Last two rows touch the screen but i don't think it matters since i have a tampered glass screen protector. Also, the keys are made of very good quality, so they won't scratch the screen in my opinion. But for $17, i think for me it's a very good decent deal. I love the quality of this product.

Sorry i cant post links.. but..
youtube has currently reviews on 2 BT-keyboard cases for the SGN 10.1-2014
simple search for galaxy 10.1 2014 keyboard
or SM-p600 keyboard
should yeild the desired results..
one is a cheap plastic case sold through ebay via china that was already discussed and photoed in another keyboard thread for the 2014 here on the XDA forums.. but a video is alwyas better.
it seemed to fit just fine.. but for me left ALOT of concerns as it has a 3 tab conection to the front of the tablet to make a "half" case.. leaving the sides and back unprotected.. and while it has a slot to slide the tablet into to stand up.. this slot has 2 "teeth" to frip it.. a from experience on my kocaso m870s and a similar tablet holder with teeth.. and what the other threads pictures clearly showed.. these teeth support the FULL weight of the tablet.. and CLEARLY bend the screen/glass out of shape under the devices weight.
for most this might be a minor issue.. but for a 600$ tablet it seems a bit unwise to damage your high end device with something so poorly thought out.
the "V" stand i use now with the 2 teeth prongs holding the tablet up alsohas the issue while deformingthe screen.. causes a single screen press to register as 3-5 in various spots.. effectivly warping the screen enough that its causing false touch readings when the screen is interacted with..
this forces me to have to hold the tablet in hand and not in the pronged cradle whenever i need to actually physically interact with it.
this other case and the better build quality of the SM-p600 might cause it to be a non issue.. but what pictures i seen in the other thread still makes it an issue worth noting.
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the other case listed on youtube is a full leather folio style case in assorted colors offered through amazon.
from the video allthe holes for the ports are in the right spots.. nothing is blocked.. and the keyboard is detachable and also wrapped in the leather.
honestly theres 2 reviews of this case.. and in BOTH instances the reviewers kept dropping the keyboard while it was being handled.
its meant to be held in place by a series of magnets.. but clearly not powerfull enough ones.
this leather case also seemed to more then double the thickness profile of the tablet making the entire thing look more like a notebook then a freely portable tablet.
while not a deal breaker.. for some this is an issue they best perfer to avoid.. so is clearly worth noting.
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sadly from my research.. ive not found anything that stands out as the ipso-facto "GET ME" case/keyboard for the SM-p600 just yet.. but its still a new device.. and more things are comming out for it all the time.
and knowing how cheap china knock off products are.. and sadly this is what nearly all ebay and amazon items tend to be as of late..either find a decent slim case for protection and all NEEDED featured for the tablet.. and look around local stores for a cheap bluetooth keyboard seperately.. amd keep the keyboard where you do most your business.. and keep typing light using the on screen keys while elsewhere.. and stick with that.. or wait a bit longer to see if anything worth our attentions pops up stateside.

New to N10+

Hi all, I am picking up a used Note 10+ 5G 512GB tomorrow, exynos. It's Australian so it should be N976B although I'll have to look at it to know for certain.
No warranty so no worries rooting it.
Rooting instructions seem to go back to 2019, is there a recent guide I can follow safely?
As far as ROMs go, I have tended to be happy on a cleaned-up stock ROM, but looking around here it seems like there are some good alternatives. Do you guys recommend Dr Ketan's ROM plus Tweaks Pro? I always find I need root to get a few things working just the way I want.
Also, for those rooted... any way of getting widevine L1 back? I'd like to have HD netflix on this phone if I possibly can.
I seriously considered buying a Note 20 Ultra or S21 Ultra or even a Pixel 6 Pro, but none of them really appeal to me. Plus I would have felt bad rooting any phone that expensive. My last Note was a Note 3 and it was always my favourite phone (it is still going strong as my 10yo son's phone, just on wifi). Since then I have been on a Huawei Mate 10 Pro but it's stuck on Android 8... I am hoping to get a good couple of years out of this Note 10+.

Got it. Looks to be in great condition, it's N976B, 512GB as advertised. Always been in an otterbox, pretty much scratch and crack free.
No "OEM unlock" option, I hope/assume this is because it has just been factory reset. I guess it is probably a good thing for me to use it for a week without rooting it anyway...

anthropoidape said:
Got it. Looks to be in great condition, it's N976B, 512GB as advertised. Always been in an otterbox, pretty much scratch and crack free.
No "OEM unlock" option, I hope/assume this is because it has just been factory reset. I guess it is probably a good thing for me to use it for a week without rooting it anyway...
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The OEM unlock option is hidden on my SM975U.
I used a phone keypad code to access it, then unlock with the code AT&T provided.
The other way to get it to pop up is enter a different sim card.

blackhawk said:
The OEM unlock option is hidden on my SM975U.
I used a phone keypad code to access it, then unlock with the code AT&T provided.
The other way to get it to pop up is enter a different sim card.
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Thanks, I will play around with it and see if I can get the option to appear.

anthropoidape said:
Thanks, I will play around with it and see if I can get the option to appear.
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My bad... carrier unlock.

Well I am not sure if putting in the sim card made a difference but I have oem unlocking available now.

I have 2 N10+'s, the oldest is still running on Android 9, the newest on 10.
Both are stock. I use package disabler and Karma Firewall to lock them down and disable bloatware. The run very good as such.
Normal SOT runs from 7-13%@ hr, and tap on AOD is >.5%@hr.
The oldest one is 27 months old with no repairs other than a battery*. It looks new with no detectable display degradation in spite of heavy usage. It's current OS load will be 2 yo in June, still fast and stable with minimum maintenance.
The Snapdragon variant is hard to root, and at this point it's not needed. The risk and time it would take to do it simply isn't worth it. Not using a stock rom would also cause the loss of some of the core functionality as will rooting it.
Knox is needed for Secure folder and Samsung Pass. No going back once you trip the Knox efuse... just saying. I would stay on Android 9 or 10 if possible.
The only thing these phones like to do more than face plant is corner hit when dropped. You'll need a good case. I use the Zizo Bolt. I use Gorilla IQ Sheild to protect the screen from scratches. The Bolt has soaked up to close to a dozens 2-4 foot drops onto concrete. Easy to hold, not very bulky, doesn't attract dirt and easy to clean. The case kick stand will break if used daily but that's it's only weakness.
Get a V30 rated SD card for it. You then will have a dual drive handheld PC Use it as a data drive, store all critical data and everything you need to do a full reload here. Pickup some Buds+ or BudsPro for it. If you want higher bt sound quality get one the Sony LDAC buds or headphones. The Buds+ are great for calls and sound good with music especially using PowerAmp's EQ.
The Note 10+ is an exceptional Note. A drop dead gorgeous display who's color rendering exceeds most or all of the newest displays. The variable rate displays suffer a slight to moderate color rendering loss because of it, so far. The N10+ is Samsung's best flagship release in the last 2 years in my opinion... which is why I have two.
*replace battery once its capacity drops to 80% of its new capacity. Degraded Li's are more likely to fail. A failure can heavily damage to phone.
Any rear cover bulging is a failure. I was lucky it didn't damage my display when it failed. The battery isn't that hard or expensive to replace.

Thanks for that Blackhawk, I appreciate the replies.
Yep, now that I have OEM unlock available, I am asking myself if there's any point rooting. So I am going to just leave it for now, and use it for a bit, see what annoys me.
I will order a case, screen protector, and battery.
I agree, the screen on these is sensational and in some respects better than the newer devices have. I could have bought a Fold 3, 21 Ultra, Note 20 Ultra, Pixel 6 Pro... I was looking at all of them and just concluded that none of them really knocked me out. In reading around I kept noticing that the Note 10+ has this dedicated fan base that doesn't want to upgrade and I can see why.
Really impressed. I got this for $450AUD aka $325USD. It is pretty much unmarked front and back, and the sides are a bit scuffed but pretty much just from having the otterbox case on I think.

You are welcome. That's a great deal, lol Otterbox's always mar the case. The Bolt makes it easy to hold and avoid accidental side touches.
Raised front display guards and cam guard. The type of case is important... look for those features.
Make sure you get the rear cover seal when you replace the battery. OEM batteries are made in Nam, not China. Maybe run Screen Test to see how the display has held up. Try not to go over 50% brightness for very long and avoid using in direct sunlight except maybe for a few seconds if really needed.
I would use it as is a while. Disabling OTA updates if it's running on Android 10, keep it there. Disable all power management as it's a know troublemaker. Set display mode to "optimized". See what you got and go from there.
You'll wuv the spen's bt shutter release and it's Smart Capture feature for those items you can't normally cut/paste.
Even after over 2 years this device is fun and a pleasure to use. Rock solid dependable. With it's nearly zero bezel, no rounded A+++ display corners and that crazy 7mm thinness there's nothing like it. I like the UI and the level of customization* available.
Even though it lacks the fastest processor and ram, it is the sum of it's parts and firmware/software which are excellent. It's sad that Google Android and Samsung have dropped the ball so badly that a 2 yo flagship be my first choice. However I'm not too busted up as I got what I want and it fulfills it's mission.
*Get One Handed Operation plus (Galaxy store) as it works well with the curved screen. Digi Clock (playstore) with it's quad hidden shortcut rectangles is a favorite too. And of course the Good Lock family of apps.
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I'll second @blackhawk about rooting. It can cause more problems than it solves. Google has improved Android so much that the need to root to add capabilities is mostly redundant.
I have a Note 10+ 5G (Verizon) like blackhawk said, it's probably the best Samsung flagship in the past 2 to 3 years.
I'm currently using the Samsung OEM rugged case, but also have a couple Otterbox cases.
I'm running Android 11 and have no issues. I use Microsoft Launcher in lieu of OneUI 3.1 though. I'm more in to the Microsoft ecosystem than any other. Microsoft Launcher's integration with my Windows machines is pretty nice.

gernerttl said:
I'll second @blackhawk about rooting. It can cause more problems than it solves. Google has improved Android so much that the need to root to add capabilities is mostly redundant.
I have a Note 10+ 5G (Verizon) like blackhawk said, it's probably the best Samsung flagship in the past 2 to 3 years.
I'm currently using the Samsung OEM rugged case, but also have a couple Otterbox cases.
I'm running Android 11 and have no issues. I use Microsoft Launcher in lieu of OneUI 3.1 though. I'm more in to the Microsoft ecosystem than any other. Microsoft Launcher's integration with my Windows machines is pretty nice.
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Does Android 11 interfere with SD card functionality or usability? Any annoying new system popups and/or permissions?
I noticed Android 10 killed Karma Firewall's valuable logging feature; it runs fine on 9.
I also noticed that Samsung added dozens maybe even a hundred or more small system apks in 10 vs 9, presumably to retain its UI appearance and functionality.
In Package Disabler they are easy to notice. Those apks I didn't touch. If fact my Q variant's setup is almost a carbon copy of my Pie variant.
That surprised me; easy set up! I literally used a backup export/import xlm copy of Package Disabler settings from the Pie variant to set up the Q variant. Only a couple new packages needed to be added.
Been wondering how Samsung handled 11 and 12. It's worrisome as the mods had to be time intensive for Samsung and Google's baseload is getting harder to mod as well.

blackhawk said:
Does Android 11 interfere with SD card functionality or usability? Any annoying new system popups and/or permissions?
I noticed Android 10 killed Karma Firewall's valuable logging feature; it runs fine on 9.
I also noticed that Samsung added dozens maybe even a hundred or more small system apks in 10 vs 9, presumably to retain its UI appearance and functionality.
In Package Disabler they are easy to notice. Those apks I didn't touch. If fact my Q variant's setup is almost a carbon copy of my Pie variant.
That surprised me; easy set up! I literally used a backup export/import xlm copy of Package Disabler settings from the Pie variant to set up the Q variant. Only a couple new packages needed to be added.
Been wondering how Samsung handled 11 and 12. It's worrisome as the mods had to be time intensive for Samsung and Google's baseload is getting harder to mod as well.
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It doesn't interfere with SD Card functionality or usability. I have a 512GB Samsung EVO Pro card in it and it works perfectly fine. Even encrypted it doesn't have any problems.
I don't use package disablers either. Android 11 allows me to disable or uninstall most of the apps I don't use (i.e. Chrome, Samsung Email, etc. Mine is the Verizon variant and the bloatware isn't that bad. You can disable or uninstall most of the Verizon apps. Or not even install them (like Verizon Messages+).
I use Google Messages, so I got all of the RCS goodness.
The last time I rooted a phone was my Samsung Galaxy Nexus about 10 years ago. Since then I have had a Note 2, HTC M9 One, S8+, and Note 8. I had a couple Windows phones and an iPhone in that timeframe too.
I love my Samsung Pay. I've had far more success with it than Apple Pay.

gernerttl said:
It doesn't interfere with SD Card functionality or usability. I have a 512GB Samsung EVO Pro card in it and it works perfectly fine. Even encrypted it doesn't have any problems.
I don't use package disablers either. Android 11 allows me to disable or uninstall most of the apps I don't use (i.e. Chrome, Samsung Email, etc. Mine is the Verizon variant and the bloatware isn't that bad. You can disable or uninstall most of the Verizon apps. Or not even install them (like Verizon Messages+).
I use Google Messages, so I got all of the RCS goodness.
The last time I rooted a phone was my Samsung Galaxy Nexus about 10 years ago. Since then I have had a Note 2, HTC M9 One, S8+, and Note 8. I had a couple Windows phones and an iPhone in that timeframe too.
I love my Samsung Pay. I've had far more success with it than Apple Pay.
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Thank you for that information. I will likely leave them running as they are though. No good enough reasons to upgrade either.
I have a AT&T and an unlocked U variant. Can't uninstall most of the bloatware plus there are hidden apks and services I want to kill so I use Package Disabler. Makes it easy to toggle ones I sometimes use on/off too. Useful for troubleshooting as well because it can completely clear the data in system apps leaving no null marks, which setting can't apparently do.
That saved me a reload.
I completely agree with you about rooting. There's a lot you can do with a stock Samsung and as such it's almost impossible to crash and burn. Even with insanely outdated firmware I've never had a serious malware breach with Android 9.

Well I have been setting this n10+ up throughout the day. Got a screen protector and basic case (just for now) and I swear it looks like brand new. Battery life looks so-so but initial set up does chew through power.
I am certain I am enjoying this just as much as, or actually more than, I would be enjoying using a brand new flagship that cost five times as much. I am almost tempted to buy a spare one!

anthropoidape said:
Well I have been setting this n10+ up throughout the day. Got a screen protector and basic case (just for now) and I swear it looks like brand new. Battery life looks so-so but initial set up does chew through power.
I am certain I am enjoying this just as much as, or actually more than, I would be enjoying using a brand new flagship that cost five times as much. I am almost tempted to buy a spare one!
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Yay! It's just a fun, snappy phone.
That's why I bought a backup (as well as my lack of confidence Samsung and Android will stop their ball dropping fest anytime soon). A backup allows unhurried repairs as well.
They just keep going if you protect them from drops; excellent build quality. Protect from water too, I don't care what it's rated. Salt water especially.
If you aren't getting good battery life I can probably help you with that. At idle or browsing the web with Brave it shouldn't be running very warm in 75°F ambient temperatures.
The N10+ is fun to explore, it has many features and settings. Enjoy!

anthropoidape said:
Thanks for that Blackhawk, I appreciate the replies.
Yep, now that I have OEM unlock available, I am asking myself if there's any point rooting. So I am going to just leave it for now, and use it for a bit, see what annoys me.
I will order a case, screen protector, and battery.
I agree, the screen on these is sensational and in some respects better than the newer devices have. I could have bought a Fold 3, 21 Ultra, Note 20 Ultra, Pixel 6 Pro... I was looking at all of them and just concluded that none of them really knocked me out. In reading around I kept noticing that the Note 10+ has this dedicated fan base that doesn't want to upgrade and I can see why.
Really impressed. I got this for $450AUD aka $325USD. It is pretty much unmarked front and back, and the sides are a bit scuffed but pretty much just from having the otterbox case on I think.
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Yeah the otter box would do that to the soft anodized frame of the Samsung, I found even silicon ( made from sand?) starts to cause abrasion marks after one or two days on the frame sides. Need a magnify loop to check, tried this test a few times from out of the box, sorry to go off subject HAHA.

Limeybastard said:
Yeah the otter box would do that to the soft anodized frame of the Samsung, I found even silicon ( made from sand?) starts to cause abrasion marks after one or two days on the frame sides. Need a magnify loop to check, tried this test a few times from out of the box, sorry to go off subject HAHA.
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Otterbox's always mar the frame
Was using teflon tape to protect the N10+ in the Bolt case but stopped as it's a pain to align the tape.
It's been a while now, last time I looked didn't see any damage. The Bolt's inner shell doesn't move around much. Depending what it looks like next time... maybe just occasional cleaning is all that's needed.
Not missing Otterbox one bit.

blackhawk said:
Otterbox's always mar the frame
Was using teflon tape to protect the N10+ in the Bolt case but stopped as it's a pain to align the tape.
It's been a while now, last time I looked didn't see any damage. The Bolt's inner shell doesn't move around much. Depending what it looks like next time... maybe just occasional cleaning is all that's needed.
Not missing Otterbox one bit.
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Yeah the ones I was referring are silicon, especially the two layered ones whereby the inner part is soft silicone and the outer part hard plastic. I believe the inner part rubs the color off over time.

Limeybastard said:
Yeah the ones I was referring are silicon, especially the two layered ones whereby the inner part is soft silicone and the outer part hard plastic. I believe the inner part rubs the color off over time.
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The Otterbox that marred the hell out of my S4+ was just the opposite hard inner shell, silicon outer. What dirty pig of a case it was and way overpriced.
Guess no matter how they're designed Otterbox's just scratch and suck

blackhawk said:
The Otterbox that marred the hell out of my S4+ was just the opposite hard inner shell, silicon outer. What dirty pig of a case it was and way overpriced.
Guess no matter how they're designed Otterbox's just scratch and suck
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I learned the hard way with those hard inner otter box cases also. And now it wasn't because I didn't remove phone and clean it. $60 case to scratch the frame, never again.