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I don't understand why Android is such a pain in the ass to update? yakju vs. yakjuxw!? Samsung vs. Google? Some people getting 4.0.2 a month ago and some people still not having it!?
With iOS everybody gets the update at the same time and it's simple as pie. You're not going to see one person checking for an update and receiving it and another person checking for an update and showing "Your system is currently up to date." You're not going to see two identical phones from the same area on the same network showing two different status's.
What's crazy is that there are a LOT more iOS devices than there are Android 4 devices so if anything you would expect Apple to be forces to stagger updates! Why is it Google that needs to do this? Maybe I'm just venting b/c 4.0.3 is around the corner and my device is still stuck on 4.0.1. Just doesn't make sense to me.
The update for 4.0.2 was halted. That's why you haven't received it.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-4-0-2-ota-update-for-galaxy-nexus-rolling-out-again/
OTAs are now back in effect.
Not to mention iOS is only on LITTLE amounts of devices. All these devices are unified and share the same features and specs. All iPhone 4S are identical, iPhone 4 identical, and so forth.
Android is open to all so there are more devices. Nexus devices are handled by Google (yakju, mysid). Manufacturers handle their own phones (Galaxy S2, RAZR, etc) and apply their own skins delaying OTAs.
Not to mention ICS is only on <2% of Android versions. You should be lucky that you're running Android 4.0+ you won't even notice much as it's optimization and bug fixes behind the scene. If it bothers you, flash a custom ROM with 4.0.3 on it.
Calm yourself. They stagger updates to prevent widespread bug issues. It also keeps the servers from being overloaded like what happens with iOS updates (takes hours to download and update). Also, iOS updates are done through the computer and not OTA.
You'll get the updates when you get them. If you dont want to take matters into your own hands and flash the updates manually, then dont complain. Its really as simple as that. I just got my 4.0.2 update yesterday. Type *#*#CHECKIN#*#* into your dialer and see if that helps push the update
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Calm yourself. They stagger updates to prevent widespread bug issues. It also keeps the servers from being overloaded like what happens with iOS updates (takes hours to download and update). Also, iOS updates are done through the computer and not OTA.
You'll get the updates when you get them. If you dont want to take matters into your own hands and flash the updates manually, then dont complain. Its really as simple as that. I just got my 4.0.2 update yesterday. Type *#*#CHECKIN#*#* into your dialer and see if that helps push the update
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iOS can be done OTA now.. http://www.macworld.com/article/163526/2011/11/hands_on_with_ios_over_the_air_updates.html
It doesn't matter who updates your device and if you have yakju or yakjuux. Everyone gets updates.
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The update for 4.0.2 was halted.
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Its rolling out again
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Its rolling out again
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Yeah I edited my post again to say it's in effect again. I linked the article but forgot to mention that. Thanks.
zephiK said:
The update for 4.0.2 was halted. That's why you haven't received it.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-4-0-2-ota-update-for-galaxy-nexus-rolling-out-again/
OTAs are now back in effect.
Not to mention iOS is only on LITTLE amounts of devices. All these devices are unified and share the same features and specs. All iPhone 4S are identical, iPhone 4 identical, and so forth.
Android is open to all so there are more devices. Nexus devices are handled by Google (yakju, mysid). Manufacturers handle their own phones (Galaxy S2, RAZR, etc) and apply their own skins delaying OTAs.
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I understand the update was halted but even when its not, it takes weeks to get out to everyone
iOS 5 was updated on a LOTTTTT more devices than Android 4.0.2.
I didn't ask about manufacturer skin updated, I'm only talking about the Nexus device right now (in particular the Galaxy Nexus). Being that Google and Samsung are updating it for everyone, why is it taking so damn long to update!? Everyone should be able to update at the same time and as they wish (like iOS). Being that manufacturers are all doing their own updates, there won't be anywhere CLOSE to as many Android devices updating at any given time as there are iOS devices which are all always on the same OS and updated simultaneously.
spitefulcheerio said:
Calm yourself. They stagger updates to prevent widespread bug issues. It also keeps the servers from being overloaded like what happens with iOS updates (takes hours to download and update). Also, iOS updates are done through the computer and not OTA.
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What's the difference if there are bug issues on some devices or all devices?! Either way they're gonna have to be fixed. Official updates aren't released until after testing for a reason!
Apple servers may overload on iOS updates but that just forces users to wait a few hours...not a few weeks! I don't see how that's a bad thing at all. Also, iOS updates have had the option to update OTA since iOS5 was released.
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I just got my 4.0.2 update yesterday. Type *#*#CHECKIN#*#* into your dialer and see if that helps push the update
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Thanks just tried that but didn't help
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What's the difference is there are bug issues on some devices or all devices?! Either way they're gonna have to be fixed. Official updates aren't released until after testing for a reason!
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Is that a serious question? If you have a bug on 10,000 devices it is immensely easier to take care of than a bug on 100,000 devices. Updates aren't released until after testing but bugs still get out. Look at iOS with their awesome battery bug that got out.
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Is that a serious question? If you have a bug on 10,000 devices it is immensely easier to take care of than a bug on 100,000 devices. Updates aren't released until after testing but bugs still get out. Look at iOS with their awesome battery bug that got out.
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Once again, it's a lot harder to take care of if you're updating devices over multiple weeks. If devices could be updated within a matter of hours it wouldn't be harder to take care of at all. All comes back to the same issue.
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Is that a serious question? If you have a bug on 10,000 devices it is immensely easier to take care of than a bug on 100,000 devices. Updates aren't released until after testing but bugs still get out. Look at iOS with their awesome battery bug that got out.
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Google is being smarting updating in waves and seeing what each new wave brings. Then the next wave contains the little fixes like what recently happened with 4.0.2. Really, the only official updates would be 4.1, 4.2, ect. 4.0.x updates technically aren't "official" big updates
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I understand the update was halted but even when its not, it takes weeks to get out to everyone
iOS 5 was updated on a LOTTTTT more devices than Android 4.0.2.
I didn't ask about manufacturer skin updated, I'm only talking about the Nexus device right now (in particular the Galaxy Nexus). Being that Google and Samsung are updating it for everyone, why is it taking so damn long to update!? Everyone should be able to update at the same time and as they wish (like iOS). Being that manufacturers are all doing their own updates, there won't be anywhere CLOSE to as many Android devices updating at any given time as there are iOS devices which are all always on the same OS and updated simultaneously.
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That's what a OTA is, it's "Over the Air" it rolls out in batches.
If everybody got the update all at the same time then downloads for the file would be significantly slower. That's why we have XDA, people obtain the download link before actually accepting it and share it. By sharing it, we can get the link and apply it manually.
All the OTA simply does is tell your phone, "hey heres the download link.. click this and it'll download" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419170
Google undergoes a lot of tests to bugfix their updates. After these tests are done and verified as stable, they release it in batches via OTA. These batches are like beta testers, and they will beta test it. If all is good, it will go to the next batch and slowly expand that way.
Not to mention, 4.0.2 was released on Google's website with STOCK IMAGES. You could of applied this yourself and have 4.0.2. Don't complain if you're unwilling to take control of your phone's updates when the resources are there to manually update your phone to 4.0.2 or even 4.0.3.
And you never said Galaxy Nexus, you called out the whole Android OS. You compared Android OS to iOS (hence "Android update system" compared to "iOS"). It a simple fact that manufacturer skins delay OTAs because they have to waste time and money to port their skins onto the new update.
All I'm saying is that the sources to update your phone are there. You can't say it "sucks" when the links and tools are out there but you don't want to manually update it. Instead you want a popup saying its available for your phone. Manually updating your phone doesn't affect future OTAs.
Edit: here's the link that the OTA would give you..... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21320324&postcount=82
manually flash it in stock recovery (or CWR.. shouldn't matter).
All the OTA is a simple popup saying update is here, click here to get it. It's simply just spoon feeding you the link. It's the same exact file you'd get from the OTA.
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That's what a OTA is, it's "Over the Air" it rolls out in batches.
If everybody got the update all at the same time then downloads for the file would be significantly slower. That's why we have XDA, people obtain the download link before actually accepting it and share it. By sharing it, we can get the link and apply it manually.
All the OTA simply does is tell your phone, "hey heres the download link.. click this and it'll download" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419170
Google undergoes a lot of tests to bugfix their updates. After these tests are done and verified as stable, they release it in batches via OTA. These batches are like beta testers, and they will beta test it. If all is good, it will go to the next batch and slowly expand that way.
Not to mention, 4.0.2 was released on Google's website with STOCK IMAGES. You could of applied this yourself and have 4.0.2. Don't complain if you're unwilling to take control of your phone's updates when the resources are there to manually update your phone to 4.0.2 or even 4.0.3.
And you never said Galaxy Nexus, you called out the whole Android OS. You compared Android OS to iOS (hence "Android update system" compared to "iOS"). It a simple fact that manufacturer skins delay OTAs because they have to waste time and money to port their skins onto the new update.
All I'm saying is that the sources to update your phone are there. You can't say it "sucks" when the links and tools are out there but you don't want to manually update it. Instead you want a popup saying its available for your phone. Manually updating your phone doesn't affect future OTAs.
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Fair enough...I should have said Nexus vs. iOS b/c that's the only fair comparison. And are you saying if I direct my device to the appropriate link in the thread you posted that my phone will update? If it's that easy then I stand corrected...otherwise, I stand by what I said.
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Fair enough...I should have said Nexus vs. iOS b/c that's the only fair comparison. And are you saying if I direct my device to the appropriate link in the thread you posted that my phone will update? If it's that easy then I stand corrected...otherwise, I stand by what I said.
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Yes I just editted my post with the link that the OTA would give you. Someone obtained it with a logcat (or app that keeps track of what goes behind the scene).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21320324&postcount=82 just manually flash it. If you use stock recovery then rename the file to update.zip and put it in the root of your sdcard.
Edit: and if you're rooted... https://market.android.com/details?...m9yZy5wcm9qZWN0dm9vZG9vLm90YXJvb3RrZWVwZXIiXQ.. use that to keep root.
the obvious answer to this thread is that apple is one company that controls everything. this nexus has two companies involved, each wanting to do updates for one of the versions. dont ask me why this is, but its easy to see how this type of setup could not be optimal.
Haha well I just went to check for updates and lo and behold 4.0.2 was FINALLY there! Irony at it's finest...updating now.
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Haha well I just went to check for updates and lo and behold 4.0.2 was FINALLY there! Irony at it's finest...updating now.
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Yeah mine just came through as well... I have to say, barring updates being halted (very rare occurrence from Google btw), they always say and allow themselve a couple of weeks, but I have always gotten my update within about 4-5 days of first reports, and usually within a day or two.
And having lived through the past few generations of both Android phones (mine) and iPhones (my sisters), there really isn't too much difference (except up until iOS5 a few months ago she had to sit around a computer). Sure she might get them that night, but it takes her literally ~5-6 hours because everyone is rushing to download it, when within a day or two I usually have it.
What is truly annoying is when you are on a non-Google Experience device (AKA G1, Nexus line, Xoom, etc are Google Experience, almost everything else is not), and waiting 4-infinity months for your upgrade because of BOTH custom overlays AND carrier testing/bloat.
The beauty of Android that is not and will not be open to iPhones is that we have extremely capable devs who watch the AOSP repositories like hawks to bring everyone the latest and greatest they can, in near real-time, direct from Google engineers. On iOS one has to wait until the carefully controlled dev releases get pushed out from the magic garden to get a sneak peek.
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Yeah mine just came through as well... I have to say, barring updates being halted (very rare occurrence from Google btw), they always say and allow themselve a couple of weeks, but I have always gotten my update within about 4-5 days of first reports, and usually within a day or two.
And having lived through the past few generations of both Android phones (mine) and iPhones (my sisters), there really isn't too much difference (except up until iOS5 a few months ago she had to sit around a computer). Sure she might get them that night, but it takes her literally ~5-6 hours because everyone is rushing to download it, when within a day or two I usually have it.
What is truly annoying is when you are on a non-Google Experience device (AKA G1, Nexus line, Xoom, etc are Google Experience, almost everything else is not), and waiting 4-infinity months for your upgrade because of BOTH custom overlays AND carrier testing/bloat.
The beauty of Android that is not and will not be open to iPhones is that we have extremely capable devs who watch the AOSP repositories like hawks to bring everyone the latest and greatest they can, in near real-time, direct from Google engineers. On iOS one has to wait until the carefully controlled dev releases get pushed out from the magic garden to get a sneak peek.
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Not sure what is wrong with your sisters internet but I've never had to wait 5-6 hours for an iOS update to download on the day it came out. My biggest issue with the roll out is that there is no communication from Google at all. The users had to figure out that the update was halted only after nobody reported an update for a few weeks.
All in honesty though. Seeing that the OTAs was back in progress since late last night. And considering it hasn't been 24 hours, I think this voids the idea that "Android system updates suck" even if you don't manually flash the update.
I just think it's a lack of announcement on Google's part on announcing the halt of 4.0.2 where I only read that there was a halt on 4.0.3 for Nexus S.
@s.m.knipe: Agreed with manufacturer skins. Try using a Galaxy S where Samsung will refuse to update Galaxy S, a best-seller phone because it cannot fit because of TouchWiz... or all of these other manufacturers releasing phones (CES 2011) with Gingerbread. The only non-Nexus device manufacturer I trust will be ASUS because they come out with timely fashioned updates. Be grateful you're running ICS in the first place.
I haven't had a nexus in a couple of years and I cant remember google being much faster at pushing out a bunch of updates than the big names like samsung,lg,htc etc..I mean have they gotten better at pushing out updates and more of them at that?
Well fast isn't really the word I would use. Google will be first to update Android so you would get the updates as soon as they are available instead of having to wait for them to be offered through your carrier.. They update as often as needed I guess. Apparently they will release a security update once a month. We'll see how long that lasts. When they do roll out updates they seem to take a couple weeks to hit every device so they are slow in that regard. Most other companies will roll out an update over the course of maybe a couple days rather than weeks.
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Well fast isn't really the word I would use. Google will be first to update Android so you would get the updates as soon as they are available instead of having to wait for them to be offered through your carrier.. They update as often as needed I guess. Apparently they will release a security update once a month. We'll see how long that lasts. When they do roll out updates they seem to take a couple weeks to hit every device so they are slow in that regard. Most other companies will roll out an update over the course of maybe a couple days rather than weeks.
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I think security updates will last a long time, or be forever. Android keeps getting hit with some malware scare or exploit. I think there will be some very minor fixes within the security fix patches from time to time
The only problem with the monthly releases is the Optimizing Apps message that can take a long time. No sooner will these start getting released that normals will start complaining they get an update every few weeks and lose their phone for half an hour while it does it again.
Yeah the need to do something to get the app optimization quicker. Makes flashing roms take forever
Apps are optimized on a per use basis instead of all at once when updating starting with marshmallow. When I updated my n6 to marshmallow it only took seconds to optimize ☺
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I haven't had a nexus in a couple of years and I cant remember google being much faster at pushing out a bunch of updates than the big names like samsung,lg,htc etc..I mean have they gotten better at pushing out updates and more of them at that?
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I'd say they're pretty fast: my Nexus 5 is already running Marshmallow (thought I'd have to wait for my 5x to take a look at it).
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I'd say they're pretty fast: my Nexus 5 is already running Marshmallow (thought I'd have to wait for my 5x to take a look at it).
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Interesting, are you rooted/unlocked bootloader. Wondering if you'd still get OTA updates if you were on a nexus.
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Interesting, are you rooted/unlocked bootloader. Wondering if you'd still get OTA updates if you were on a nexus.
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I don't do any rooting or unlocking on my devices; just running standard Google Android as delivered.
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One major update every year and a bunch in between.
While it might take a couple weeks after release for users to recieve the OTA, Nexus users can always flash the update themselves within hours of release. So essentially Nexus devices means instantly available updates, often months in advance of any other device.
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I haven't had a nexus in a couple of years and I cant remember google being much faster at pushing out a bunch of updates than the big names like samsung,lg,htc etc..I mean have they gotten better at pushing out updates and more of them at that?
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Google Nexus Devices (latest Ones) are the first lined devices to get the google android update.Google releases developer build of major updates fort the Nexus devices.So Nexus devices are the first devices to get google updates.
I recently got the a520f after a few years with the iPhone. I was happy enough but then released there is 2 roms, 1 in alpha and another which is abandoned then noticed the updates from Samsung are sparse at best.
I'm unlocked in UK and stuck on 6.0.1, they "used" to say unlocked got updates first, noticed the way I said "used to" because carriers seem to be releasing 7.0 before unlocked, and while on the point 7.0 at this stage when Oreo will soon be released, even bringing the phone out with 7.0 would have been slow when 7.1 was available.
I am thinking I have made the wrong decision with the a520, Samsung are slow with updates anyway yes but the a520 seems to be at the bottom of Samsungs list of priorities. Last years a510 even has 7 for a while now.
hi !
Yes ,all people here want updates with another android version but i think that the most important thing is to enjoy with this phone :
it's a device with MM6 have enought power for to play game , it have the best super amoled screen ,it have a fabulous battery life ! , a fingerprints and "near" 20 differents sensors ,he have a good modem and hardware for 4G , this MM + sansung adds have all useful functions and parameters ....and the middle economic mode is impressive for the battery life...
The phone is receiving updates slowly cause the phone has owners all around the world, it's probably to make sure that OTA servers are not overloaded. Imagine what would happen if they released it at the same time for the whole world, the servers couldn't deliver acceptable speeds. That's just my guess though.
Nah, Samsung kinda sucks. I mean they couldnt make a proper working fingerprint sensor on stock MM, had to install nougat for the bloody thing to work.
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The phone is receiving updates slowly cause the phone has owners all around the world, it's probably to make sure that OTA servers are not overloaded. Imagine what would happen if they released it at the same time for the whole world, the servers couldn't deliver acceptable speeds. That's just my guess though.
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How does Apple cope then?
That's Samsung decision to release update or not, as user we can wait for it or complaints to Samsung
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It has nothing to do with "the server not able to cope" or anything. There are a few reasons building up to the devices being in literally the bottom of the pile as you put it:
1) Samsung has heavily skinned Android with a lot of added features, which all take a while to port to a new verison.
2) Costs of development, Q/A testing and everything else that needs to be done before the update gets released public (not doing the update obviously means a lot of saved money)
3) Most people don't care about updates or are even annoyed by them and think they are something evil. That's excluding heavy updates to a new version which slow down the phone by a large margin with features you could have lived without (Apple are doing this), those updates really are evil. Due to the lack of updates though, this rarely happens on Android in all fairness.
4) It's a mid range price device
5) Samsung's policy of not wanting to update the phones too much anyway so the user buys a new one
The phone is probably going to be updated to 7.0 within the next month or two. I doubt extremely it will get updated to 8.0.
This is unacceptable for a phone that has come out for 2017, to not got an update of an OS to a version that is released in 2017 just a little over an year later. We should definetly not put up with it and complain to Samsung however, not on XDA.
We should make sure OEM's take note that we want our phones updated to new Android versions fast for at least a few years, just like iOS devices. And on top of complaining, we should vote with our wallets also. That gets the chain moving.
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The phone is receiving updates slowly cause the phone has owners all around the world, it's probably to make sure that OTA servers are not overloaded. Imagine what would happen if they released it at the same time for the whole world, the servers couldn't deliver acceptable speeds. That's just my guess though.
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That is tackled in another way. Your phone randomly receive updates in batch.
Yes you can get an update if you manually go into settings and download updates.
But again it is automatically provided in random batches.
Samsung is late at updates because they have a large number of models.
Not like Iphone that only support 3 models of past I think.
Samsung also needs to provide stable updates which take a lot of testing.
Again it depends on your country and provider when the start rolling updates.
By the way A5 got certified for oreo.
https://www.wi-fi.org/product-finder-results?keywords=A520f
It has Oreo in Russia now
https://forum.xda-developers.com/samsung-a-series-2017/how-to/sm-a520f-oreo-russia-t3779287
Sorry, but can we consider support for this terminal to be over, considering that it has not received updates since March?
Wrong. The last update received by this device was in April, with March security update. This device will still receive a full year of security updates based on the Android One program. Even if it seems wrong, they have to respect the program until end, or else they might end up like Huawei. But counting the fact that this device is also marked as Enterprise, that program offers 5 years of security updates. We will see, it's still early to make assumptions.
Hi all
I've last June patch on Android 10
It's still buggy I'm wondering if xiaomi will bring this device in to a stable version or not
Otherwise I'll downgrade to pie
Any rumors on further updates?
Thanks
Stefano
Yes, you'll get another year of Google Security updates as due to Google Policy. Didn't you read the little pamphlet that came with your phone? 2 year software updates aka. 2 major android versions and 3 years of security updates.
This months was an extremely slow month for almost everything, even Windows update was late (they also have monthly security updates). Mi A2 launched it's July update 1 day ago, so we're most likely going to get that next week, but don't worry, it's not going to be August Update, it's still going to be July update... and that's just a speculation based on what happened until now. Same thing happened in April, march passed with no security update and bugfixes, and the "fixed" (or should I call it at list not bricking phones) version launched in early April (3-4 if I'm not wrong).
So yeah, don't worry, you'll get updates until next summer, just remember, it took them a lot of months to make 9 stable too, and I'm not saying that as an excuse for their update delivery, I'm just saying that this happened (not as worse) back in A9 era too.
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Yes, you'll get another year of Google Security updates as due to Google Policy. Didn't you read the little pamphlet that came with your phone? 2 year software updates aka. 2 major android versions and 3 years of security updates.
This months was an extremely slow month for almost everything, even Windows update was late (they also have monthly security updates). Mi A2 launched it's July update 1 day ago, so we're most likely going to get that next week, but don't worry, it's not going to be August Update, it's still going to be July update... and that's just a speculation based on what happened until now. Same thing happened in April, march passed with no security update and bugfixes, and the "fixed" (or should I call it at list not bricking phones) version launched in early April (3-4 if I'm not wrong).
So yeah, don't worry, you'll get updates until next summer, just remember, it took them a lot of months to make 9 stable too, and I'm not saying that as an excuse for their update delivery, I'm just saying that this happened (not as worse) back in A9 era too.
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Thanks for a so detailed reply
Users panic was not so promising I can survive with on going issues if they will be fixed in coming months
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Thanks for a so detailed reply
Users panic was not so promising I can survive with on going issues if they will be fixed in coming months
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Sorry to somewhat disappoint but I don't want to raise your hopes too much. There will be things that will be missing from this software like AptX, or like exFAT support and so on. Remember, the SD card issues that Pie had were only resolved when A10 came out... It won't be a perfect device at the end of it's life cycle but at least we can hope it'll work fine... They actually fixed some problems in the updates they gave us until now, but it's far from being a well polished system. All we can do is keep out hopes up, and hope that they took their time to actually fix the errors reported in the forums (xiaomi forum, where a mod says he reports user bugs himself).