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Windows Phone 7 Final RTW Build 7003 Unlocked Emulator

Here's the updated emulator build (thanks to pirozhki for unlocking it). There's no options to add data sources to sync/connect with. Now that we have the final build, hopefully we can get it working better than some of the beta builds.
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To run it, just like the previous ones...
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft XDE\1.0\XDE.exe" "C:\Users\YOU\Desktop\WM70C1.en-US.unlocked.bin" /VMID {E575DA31-FC47-4766-853F-018D823B9EE6}
Or you can place the file in "C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDKs\Windows Phone\v7.0\Emulation\Images" with the name "WM70C1.en-US.bin" and debug with visual studio and it will launch. I believe this still does NOT work with https connections which is probably causing lots of things to not work. Hopefully we can get that figured out so we have a fully working build.
So here's the download!
-----------------original post---------------------------------
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_.../windows-phone-developer-tools-are-final.aspx
I believe the emulator is still 'locked'. Anyone want to get crackin on fixing that? Here's the instructions I wrote up a while back for the previous build. I doubt they changed anything. I'll work on it when I get home from work if noone beats me to it

RustyGrom said:
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_.../windows-phone-developer-tools-are-final.aspx
I believe the emulator is still 'locked'. Anyone want to get crackin on fixing that? Here's the instructions I wrote up a while back for the previous build. I doubt they changed anything. I'll work on it when I get home from work if noone beats me to it
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anyone unlock?

No-one unlocked this yet...

Barring any unforeseen issues, it'll be done in a few hours. Hold tight.

Any chance you could enable the task manager ans shortcuts while you're at it? Will save me having to redo the unlock when I get back to the office.

uploading my unlocked image right now.

RustyGrom,
Thanks a bunch for doing this!
A couple of comments from a developer who's intensively used the unlocked ROM for the last couple of months:
1. The "Task Manager" and "Shourtcuts" (File System Explorer) programs were missing from the last unlocked ROM. Any chance we can have those back?
I've got samples of how those apps looked like in the original unlocked rom @
justinangel.net/WindowsPhone7UnlockedRoms
2. HTTPs was disabled on the last unlocked ROM, which makes using this ROM for development of real world apps pretty hard. See more on this issue @
imaginativeuniversal.com/blog/post/2010/08/01/WP7-Tip-done28099t-use-the-unlocked-ROM-for-development.aspx
3. If you can ship a dump of the ROM as well as the unlocked eumator - that'll be awesome.
Again, thanks a bunch for doing this. You're definitely contributing to WP7 development efforts.

This ought to do the trick. Add Account and whatnot is still broken though =/
pirocast.net/WM70C1.en-US.unlocked.bin
edit: sorry, board won't let me link it straight-up since i've never posted before. copy/paste the url to get it. scan it with an AV if you're paranoid. enjoy =)

Thanks, downloading

Never mind i figured it out

JustinAngel said:
RustyGrom,
Thanks a bunch for doing this!
A couple of comments from a developer who's intensively used the unlocked ROM for the last couple of months:
1. The "Task Manager" and "Shourtcuts" (File System Explorer) programs were missing from the last unlocked ROM. Any chance we can have those back?
I've got samples of how those apps looked like in the original unlocked rom @
justinangel.net/WindowsPhone7UnlockedRoms
2. HTTPs was disabled on the last unlocked ROM, which makes using this ROM for development of real world apps pretty hard. See more on this issue @
imaginativeuniversal.com/blog/post/2010/08/01/WP7-Tip-done28099t-use-the-unlocked-ROM-for-development.aspx
3. If you can ship a dump of the ROM as well as the unlocked eumator - that'll be awesome.
Again, thanks a bunch for doing this. You're definitely contributing to WP7 development efforts.
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1. I plan on trying to get those back. I don't think it would be too hard. Just need to find the binaries and figure out how to get them into the BIN (I've never added files but it shouldn't be too bad).
2. This one is super tricky. I did some testing on it and once you made ANY sort of material change, it stopped working. It was EXTREMELY annoying. It's almost as if they have some sort of checksum action going on that nukes the certificate checking if you mod the OS.
3. Will do.
It just frustrates me that Microsoft won't release it this way. CLearly if we can unlock it, so can they. They're just making the gap between the "haves" (those with devices) and the "have nots" that much wider.

Tried playing a youtube video just for fun and it asked if i wanted to download the app for it from the marketplace. Said yes but the marketplace doesnt connect.
It really stinks they dont allow you to add accounts.

Ring Tones
Can one of you fine developers extract the ring tones and tones for sms, email etc???

pirozhki said:
This ought to do the trick. Add Account and whatnot is still broken though =/
pirocast.net/WM70C1.en-US.unlocked.bin
edit: sorry, board won't let me link it straight-up since i've never posted before. copy/paste the url to get it. scan it with an AV if you're paranoid. enjoy =)
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I hope you don't mind, I updated the first post (and changed the thread title) to reflect the new unlocked build. I was also going to upload it to multiupload so your site doesn't get nuked and update the link in the OP to that. Let me know if you have any objections.

RustyGrom said:
I hope you don't mind, I updated the first post (and changed the thread title) to reflect the new unlocked build. I was also going to upload it to multiupload so your site doesn't get nuked and update the link in the OP to that. Let me know if you have any objections.
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No problem. Glad I could help. (about time too. I've lurked for what, nearly three years now?)

rruffman said:
Can one of you fine developers extract the ring tones and tones for sms, email etc???
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If nobody else does first, I can take care of this next time I'm at my work system (~tomorrow morning). Was kinda thinking of popping a few of them onto my touch pro.

pirozhki said:
If nobody else does first, I can take care of this next time I'm at my work system (~tomorrow morning). Was kinda thinking of popping a few of them onto my touch pro.
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A big ups to you!!!
thanks

rruffman said:
Can one of you fine developers extract the ring tones and tones for sms, email etc???
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Here ya go. All the ring tones, alerts, and other random sounds. The ring tones have changed a good bit from the previous build.
http://www.multiupload.com/TFB5XU4VMI

It's possible to make Microsoft XDA only like the last build?
Thanks

RustyGrom said:
Here ya go. All the ring tones, alerts, and other random sounds. The ring tones have changed a good bit from the previous build.
http://www.multiupload.com/TFB5XU4VMI
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Thank you very much
PS:There are new images added?If yes, can you extract them, please
Thanks

[APP] Cell Broadcasts - Emergency Alert System

My biggest hold back on installing CM10 or AOKP was the lack of Cell Broadcasts built in. But low an behold I was able to restore it from a Titanium Backup. I figured I'd go ahead and share it here for all. And maybe for myself if I ever lose it!
This for sure installed on AOKP. At least it installed, I'll have to wait until Wednesday when they do the test to confirm it works.
To install (this is old, the link at bottom has a flashable zip.):
1. Copy the "CellBroadcastReceiver.apk" into "/system/app"
2. Change the permissions to "rw- r-- r--"
3. Restart
It wont be a normal app, but it should appear under Settings --> More... --> Cell broadcasts
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Edit: rmkilc is awesome and made a flashable zip! Install-CellBroadcastReceiver-1.0.zip

Sorry for the stupid question but... what does it do?

3Shirts said:
Sorry for the stupid question but... what does it do?
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It let's you receive alerts about threats and things like that.

Rather pointless to be honest.

Turbocom said:
Rather pointless to be honest.
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As someone who has received numerous EAS alerts about shootings/tornadoes in the local metro area, I have to say it is very much not pointless.

Turbocom said:
Rather pointless to be honest.
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It may not be for everyone. But for me, in Arkansas, I find it useful for Tornado warnings. The AMBER alerts are good too. Apps use data and GPS, thus killing your battery. This is a more stable system than some app. Most of the time my phone's WiFi is connected to some shoddy open Linksys router and in and out of proper data service anyway.
Cell Broadcast is like receiving a free text. Good for those on limited data plans, or those that need to be safe!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_Broadcast
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

But... aren't cell broadcasts are a standard feature on this phone?
To be found under Setting, More.. and Cell boradcasts.

jutezak said:
But... aren't cell broadcasts are a standard feature on this phone?
To be found under Setting, More.. and Cell boradcasts.
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I think this was standard on the STOCK build, I can not remember since I rooted and flashed CM10 nearly the same day I got the phone. The point of this as the OP states is that once you flash CM10 you lose this functionality. He provided a way to recover that functionality.

Why does this get stripped out when they build the ROMs? I can't imagine anyone actually thinking it'd be a good idea to remove this, is it an oversight?

Cell broadcasts are true broadcasts, so there are no network overload issues when sending them out.
And they work as soon as there is coverage. If you are roaming somewhere without data, the broadcasts will still work.

Doesn't Google Now have something like this built in?
"Public Alerts" card? ... I do remember when a hurricane was coming to NYC, I never received any alerts. Although I was told by some people, it was in text messages.

Thanks to the OP for the app, obviously some people wanted it.
I find this funny though because my parents and I spent xmas weekend trying to figure out how to turn this crap off on their iphones, never did find a way, fortunately my n4 (stock at the time) did not have this annoyance.

This should be a flashable zip, with an addon.d script to keep it alive between ROM updates. I suppose I'll make a zip for myself.

rmkilc said:
This should be a flashable zip, with an addon.d script to keep it alive between ROM updates. I suppose I'll make a zip for myself.
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Dont hold back to share it with us

Here is a flashable zip for this, including an addon.d script. ackliph, if you want to share this in the OP, go for it. If you would rather I didn't share this here, just let me know.
Install-CellBroadcastReceiver-1.0.zip

rmkilc said:
Here is a flashable zip for this, including an addon.d script. ackliph, if you want to share this in the OP, go for it. If you would rather I didn't share this here, just let me know.
Install-CellBroadcastReceiver-1.0.zip
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Awesome. I'll edit the post!
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

Has anyone received an alert from this yet? I'm curious what it looks and sounds like.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

Not had a single tsunami or tornado alert from mine yet....beginning to think it's broken. Does it also do volcanos?
Daern, Yorkshire, UK.

daern said:
Not had a single tsunami or tornado alert from mine yet....beginning to think it's broken. Does it also do volcanos?
Daern, Yorkshire, UK.
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It's all carrier dependent. Mine doesn't work either and I'm on one of the US's major three carriers.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium

With the stock rom i had found settings for this for what type of alerts I Wanted to get etc. I did get some alerts and they scared the crap out of me. They are sort of like the ebs on tv.
I am so glad to have this again.
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Samsung Lock Screen Bypass Exploit

Posted in the General S III forum but it's so severe, everyone should be informed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38848847#post38848847

BluechipJ said:
Posted in the General S III forum but it's so severe, everyone should be informed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38848847#post38848847
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I'll test this out tomorrow. Pretty bad if it does indeed work (which it seems it will).

Just tested it took a couple times this dose work they need to fix this,I'm also running 4.1.2 MB1
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Guess I'll stay on LJ7 until its fixed.
Sent from my GS3

The bad thing about reporting these exploits, is that it allows for the people that are liable to steal someone's info/device to know exactly how to do it. It's great to precaution owners, just wish there was another way to alert users.

HashTagHell said:
The bad thing about reporting these exploits, is that it allows for the people that are liable to steal someone's info/device to know exactly how to do it. It's great to precaution owners, just wish there was another way to alert users.
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True. But then it becomes more difficult because how can you determine if those users wont try to steal someone info? Its hard

yes everyone needs to be educated on this exploit because in no way will anyone ever use this to learn how to unlock a stolen phone.
makes sense.

cnstarz said:
yes everyone needs to be educated on this exploit because in no way will anyone ever use this to learn how to unlock a stolen phone.
makes sense.
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Well now that they know they can take preventative measures to keep it from happening, like using another lockscreen thats not stock, or flashing an AOSP rom.

CNexus said:
Well now that they know they can take preventative measures to keep it from happening, like using another lockscreen thats not stock, or flashing an AOSP rom.
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because there's no possible way of getting that information across to people without showing everyone with bad intentions the exact, step-by-step method used to exploit it.
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cnstarz said:
because there's no possible way of getting that information across to people without showing everyone with bad intentions the exact, step-by-step method used to exploit it.
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Well obviously he has to state it like that or no one would be able to replicate the issue and believe him. Seems like you have better ideas as to how to do it, mind sharing?

I dont see the big deal, if someone steals your phone and cant access it, they will just do a factory reset and you will lose any chance of tracing and recovering your phone or remote wiping it.

ricocollege said:
I dont see the big deal, if someone steals your phone and cant access it, they will just do a factory reset and you will lose any chance of tracing and recovering your phone or remote wiping it.
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Yup, that too. Unless you move your lockscreen app to the system partition which cant be wiped like that

CNexus said:
Well obviously he has to state it like that or no one would be able to replicate the issue and believe him. Seems like you have better ideas as to how to do it, mind sharing?
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If it was me, I'd send Samsung a message about it. If that was the video poster's intent, he could've went about informing Samsung another way. People that find lost GS3s will definitely find this now. I know somebody who's found an ipod that had a PIN on it and the first thing they did was google how to crack it.
Still, this video also serves a purpose to inform those who can fall victim to this. It's a hit or miss. Samsung definitely is aware of the issue now, though.

Of course any exploit is a problem, but put it in perspective.
First, the criminal has to have physical access to your phone. This in itself makes it much less worrisome than most software hacks that you can download.
Second, according to Engadget:
"Despite literally hundreds of attempts in front of the lens and several more behind it, we've only managed it once -- we found it impossible to nail down the correct timing between the home and power button pushes."
and also from Engadget:
" Samsung has responded, confirming a fix is indeed on its way:
"Samsung considers user privacy and the security of user data its top priority. We are aware of this issue and will release a fix at the earliest possibility."
http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/06/galaxy-s-iii-bug-disables-lock-screen/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Fengadget+%28Engadget%29
So, the blogs stir up a frenzy, make some money on click-thrus, and it gets fixed.
Nothing to see here,

Temporary Fix (Makes it much harder to exploit)
Temporary fix:
1) Download another launcher like "Go Launcher". Set it as default.
2) Download and install another lock screen like the "Go Locker" and set it up.
:good:
The problem is Samsung's Touchwiz launcher, getting another launcher is the only thing we can do until we get a fix from Samsung. This exploit takes about 5 minutes every time if you sit and get good at doing it. Dont kid yourself, this is very easy to reproduce.
In theory installing another launcher will make doing this much harder to do but will not completely eliminate the chances of getting exploited. This is because the touchwiz launcher still rears its ugly head when you reboot your phone. But if the attacker cant exploit your phone by the time the new launcher is loaded in the background then they have to restart your phone and try all over again.

I'll test it tomorow.hii

I found it simple to repeat. It took me 5 tries to get it. I am not that concerned about it but my work probably would be...
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Tried this with multiple scenarios and activating "with swipe lock" in addition to password or pin will prevent it from working because the swipe lock will always come up even if you're seeing the home screen.
pr0fess0rx29 said:
Temporary fix:
1) Download another launcher like "Go Launcher". Set it as default.
2) Download and install another lock screen like the "Go Locker" and set it up.
:good:
The problem is Samsung's Touchwiz launcher, getting another launcher is the only thing we can do until we get a fix from Samsung. This exploit takes about 5 minutes every time if you sit and get good at doing it. Dont kid yourself, this is very easy to reproduce.
In theory installing another launcher will make doing this much harder to do but will not completely eliminate the chances of getting exploited. This is because the touchwiz launcher still rears its ugly head when you reboot your phone. But if the attacker cant exploit your phone by the time the new launcher is loaded in the background then they have to restart your phone and try all over again.
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nacron said:
Tried this with multiple scenarios and activating "with swipe lock" in addition to password or pin will prevent it from working because the swipe lock will always come up even if you're seeing the home screen.
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Nah, "with swipe lock" in addition to password or pin doesnt change anything. My friend can still break in within 5 minutes. Then he laughs at me. the only thing that shut him up was changing the launcher and lock screen to something other than touchwiz. :highfive:

I tried on my Sprint S3 and I couldn't re produce the exploit can somebody be more speciffic on how to do it exactly with the button combo. So I can try again.
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Off Topic: Root waiting room

OK, Here you guys can talk about what you miss about root or current conspiracy theories (Is he a troll or isn't he?). You can talk about the latest movies, the plots of Gotham or The Flash, your cat or dog...whatever you want within the rules..meaning behave and be nice. We can change the title of the thread once you hopefully get root. So let the Root Progress thread be for those subscribed to root talk, and let it be a more on topic thread...you guys got this thread...and who said you can't have nice things? You can if you take care of them. Have fun all!!!!
Cheers
Kenny

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OK, Here you guys can talk about what you miss about root or current conspiracy theories (Is he a troll or isn't he?). You can talk about the latest movies, the plots of Gotham or The Flash, your cat or dog...whatever you want within the rules..meaning behave and be nice. We can change the title of the thread once you hopefully get root. So let the Root Progress thread be for those subscribed to root talk, and let it be a more on topic thread...you guys got this thread...and who said you can't have nice things? You can if you take care of them. Have fun all!!!!
Cheers
Kenny
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Awesome might want to fix the misspelled Roor To Root! :good:

Venom0642 said:
Awesome might want to fix the misspelled Roor To Root! :good:
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What misspelling? :silly::good::highfive::cyclops:

KennyG123 said:
What misspelling? [emoji14]:silly::good::highfive::cyclops:
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Lol ?
Running On New Deadly Venom Note 4 v1.2

Nice. Now lets see how many people actually use this thread...
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Venom did you ever receive the root?

br3w3r said:
Venom did you ever receive the root?
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Nobody has received anything yet. Give it a couple days. People are already trying to get in touch with him to help him out.

br3w3r said:
Venom did you ever receive the root?
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I don't believe venom ever received the files neither he nor gatesjunior nor I have heard boo from him so all we can do is wait
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The last thing he said without directly quoting was he was working on a app I belive. My guess is he just wants to package it up nice and neat to eliminate people brick in their device

I just want to say thanks to all the devs working on root. I just want to make sure of something. Has it been confirmed that we can revert from 5.0 to 4.4.4 with odin? I would like to take the update to play with 5.0, but I want to make sure I can revert when root it achieved.

husker97 said:
I just want to say thanks to all the devs working on root. I just want to make sure of something. Has it been confirmed that we can revert from 5.0 to 4.4.4 with odin? I would like to take the update to play with 5.0, but I want to make sure I can revert when root it achieved.
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For AT&T users it has been confirmed I don't know about Verizon (does it even have Lollipop yet?)

Kyuta Syuko said:
For AT&T users it has been confirmed I don't know about Verizon (does it even have Lollipop yet?)
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I have verizon and I just got the update notification Friday for 5.0.

Kyuta Syuko said:
For AT&T users it has been confirmed I don't know about Verizon (does it even have Lollipop yet?)
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Vzw has been confirmed as well . @husker97 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=59882217
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rrjskj said:
Vzw has been confirmed as well .
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Thanks. I just found the thread with the revert instruction.

As I'm on AT&T I updated and really have nothing good to report
Have had poor battery life and random freeze and reboots since

taz44410 said:
As I'm on AT&T I updated and really have nothing good to report
Have had poor battery life and random freeze and reboots since
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Maybe you need to do a factory reset. As For me no issues at all battery life is awesome here with no root yet i get about 1 day 4hrs on battery life and sot about 4hrs and half.
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First thing I tried
It was a pain over an hour to set everything back up
I will add after factory reset it said SD ext was damaged
Fixes that by copying everything to laptop format card and copy back to card

taz44410 said:
First thing I tried
It was a pain over an hour to set everything back up
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As you can see
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Mine have been the same but got 48 hours between charges on kk

Developers don't need no stinkin' signature!
If I've been able to help you, please hit the "Thanks" button.

[Q] I don't want to update my phone!

My unrooted HTC Desire 816 has just received a rather prominent message sayind "System Update Available. Tap to download the system update." I would like to know what sort of system update it is--is it Lollipop (I read somewhere that this phone wouldn't get Lollipop, and to be honest I was relieved)? Is it an HTC update? How do I know whether I want it? I've heard so many unsatisfactory reports about Lollipop that I have no wish to have it. I've also read some complaints on Play Store about some kind of HTC update. Is there a way to find out what the update is, and, more important, is there a way to refuse it? I just wish I knew more about it and whether I wanted it or not. Right now, there's a big banner across my phone's home screen that gets in the way of my accessing some things not just on the home screen but in play store and other places as well. I've included a link to a screenshot of the top part of my phone's home screen, showing the update announcement that I can't get rid of:
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I'm pretty much a newbie with this phone, and I don't want to root it, nor do I want some possibly problematic update to screw it up. It's currently on KitKat 4.4.2, and I'm quite content with that for now. Does anyone know more about what this update is and how I can get rid of the announcement? Thanks in advance for your help.

Um, if you tap the notification it tells you exactly what the update includes.

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Um, if you tap the notification it tells you exactly what the update includes.
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Thanks very much, FoxyDrew, for your quick response. The problem is that the banner says tap to download, so if I tap it, chances are that it will download, or perhaps even download and install. Then I'll be stuck with it.
I'm wondering whether I can deal with this the same way I did months ago on my Nexus 7 tablet. I knew from all the complaints on the Nexus 7 forum that I did NOT want to install Lollipop. Someone else suggested that if I long press the notification and then select app info, I'd be taken to the play services app info screen, where I could uncheck the enable notifications box. That worked fine on the tablet, but I have no idea whether the same thing would happen if I tried that on the phone (the guy who gave the instructions was talking about his Nexus 7 tablet). Obviously, I could try, but I'm really afraid of prompting the update to download.
So, is it possible to tap on the notification to find out what it is without the tap also triggering the download? And if I find it's Lollipop, can I prevent it from downloading? I know lots of people are eager to get it, but I also know that lots of people who were eager are now wishing they'd stayed with KitKat.

CQueen816 said:
Thanks very much, FoxyDrew, for your quick response. The problem is that the banner says tap to download, so if I tap it, chances are that it will download, or perhaps even download and install. Then I'll be stuck with it.
I'm wondering whether I can deal with this the same way I did months ago on my Nexus 7 tablet. I knew from all the complaints on the Nexus 7 forum that I did NOT want to install Lollipop. Someone else suggested that if I long press the notification and then select app info, I'd be taken to the play services app info screen, where I could uncheck the enable notifications box. That worked fine on the tablet, but I have no idea whether the same thing would happen if I tried that on the phone (the guy who gave the instructions was talking about his Nexus 7 tablet). Obviously, I could try, but I'm really afraid of prompting the update to download.
So, is it possible to tap on the notification to find out what it is without the tap also triggering the download? And if I find it's Lollipop, can I prevent it from downloading? I know lots of people are eager to get it, but I also know that lots of people who were eager are now wishing they'd stayed with KitKat.
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No, a Nexus has stock Lollipop, which is drastically different from it on your phone, which HTC has heavily modded to give the experience that it believes its users want.
And taping the notification won't download it, or install it, it will just tell you what the update is.

FoxyDrew said:
No, a Nexus has stock Lollipop, which is drastically different from it on your phone, which HTC has heavily modded to give the experience that it believes its users want.
And taping the notification won't download it, or install it, it will just tell you what the update is.
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Thanks, FoxyDrew, for your follow-up response. I think for now I'll just try to ignore the notification, especially now that the ugly black banner has disappeared and is no longer blocking my access to parts of the screen. I really don't think there's anything in the update that I need or want, at least nothing right now. If I begin to find that lots of people with unrooted HTC Desire 816s have upgraded with no problems, I might give it a try. But I'm really quite content staying with KitKat 4.4.2.

Don't worry htc won't bring any problems to it's devices. If there is any problems in Android Lollipop I'm sure htc team has already taken care of it ! And you better always keep your phone updated. It might include some important updates such as performance improvements, bug fixes and security updates. It's ok if you tap the banner it only shows the updates, after that you give it the permission to download and install or not...

Arash94 said:
Don't worry htc won't bring any problems to it's devices. If there is any problems in Android Lollipop I'm sure htc team has already taken care of it ! And you better always keep your phone updated. It might include some important updates such as performance improvements, bug fixes and security updates. It's ok if you tap the banner it only shows the updates, after that you give it the permission to download and install or not...
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Thanks, Arash94, for responding and for seconding FoxyDrew's statement about tapping on the notification to find out what it is. I'll probably now do so. However, I'm afraid I don't share your confidence in HTC's ability to correct the huge raft of problems people have been reporting about Lollipop. Heck, when 5.0 was such a disaster, I felt confident that Google would quickly come out with a fix that took care of the problems. But the problems persisted through 5.01 and 5.02, and apparently even 5.1 still causes some problems. I doubt that HTC has more technical expertise than Google.