As we all know Microsoft just presented quite a revolutionary piece of hardware, Hololens. It's supposed to be released in July 2015. The onstage presentation was pretty awesome, "holo" object were super steady and blended really well with their surroundings. It also seemed to work very fast.
I am curious what you guys think about Microsoft Hololens? Is the world ready for fully augmented reality?
HoloLens looks interesting, but I'm used to product launch hype, and excited I ain't.
This isn't revolutionary, but evolutionary. The AR (not holographic) function is a step beyond the VR scheme of the competition, but this is mere leapfrogging over present Oculus & co, and we've yet to see what the competition will bring, specifically Magic Leap, et al. Likewise, we can be sure that the rest of the field, including Goog Glass, will be upping their game.
The headset device shown at presentation is likely a mock-up, as the actual prototype demo'ed is still tethered to a box. This means that MS still has a long way to go before being able to bring it to market, let alone being able to sell it at "affordable" prices. The claim that HoloLens will see light of day "within Win10 time frame" is taken by some to mean "by Win10 launch," ie this year. But it can also mean "within Win10 lifetime" which is any number of years. I consider this latter more likely, as HoloLens is much more unfinished than Google Glass when it launched. Glass today is still stuck in the expensive-toy category.
Lens has a more difficult road than Glass in that its job requires real-time 3D mapping of environment, which likely entails more processing power. Note that heat-dissipation was discussed, which means this thing will be more powerful than a phone/tablet. The downside is battery life. Since Lens looks to be geared toward indoor use, I wouldn't be surprised if it comes with a cord.
My takeaway is that this is another step toward headset computing. MS' *announcement* had leapfrogged the competition for the time being, but time-to-market looks to still be long, and anything can happen before then (as had happened to Google Glass).
Greetings everyone!
Well i think holograms; voice control; robot companions/artificial intelligence is everyone's childhood dream. Since we (humans) tend to develop stuff to the highest bidder (if not developing stuff for war purposes) i must say that we are way behind where we are suposed to be. Therefore i dont see exactly the evolution. Ofcourse this ghread is not meant to talk about thechnology evolution.. But yes Holo lens is innovative.
About its probable issues:
Main problem so far seems to be: Battery Duration.
So why not implement some science in there?
(This should be implemented in almost everything. Like future cars for example)
- Overheating:
Heat can generate power. So lets give good use to that heat.
- Solar Panels / Photo Voltaic Panels:
Even if they where small they could enhance the device capacity to operate.
- Battery:
Something must hold the generated Power.
- Water (Cold/Hot Technique)
Assuming the processor(s) will always generate heat.. Redirect that heat to one owater container. The generated power can easily help enhance way further battery life.
There are more ways to generate power. i just dont think they wouldnt fit at hololens.
Quick Joke: Can you imagine using potatoes to enhance even more the battery dutarion?
Furthewards i agree with what has been said before.
...Including:
Hololens must somehow be released to an affordable price. To increase selling; and development everywhere. (Here i go into evolution again) That will lead to faster "technologic evolution" whithout the expensive cost of programmers / development. People will do it for fun; for themselves; to help in several things or sectors; etc.
Stepping way further and resuming the best i can:
This Hololens is an important step for everyone...
Who wouldnt love to live in a fantastic technological era; Where what you think start to be done almost instantly? Not having to type a key; waiting for my os to start; to go sit at the chair; waiting to open a program; to move my mouse to make a draw which is on my mind; etc...
We are "fairly" close to achieve this.
I belive Hololens will contribute significantly to cybenetics and neurology by expanding any creative mind around the world.
Yet a huge ammount of programming and innovative development will be required.
Im not 100% excited about it (as i fi d it a little bit limitex) but i would love to have one.
And who knows i can help develop it a little too?
Finally someone has the power to bring it to make it available.
Besides the current features, hololens can be way more than that.
Ofcoufse implementing everything i have in mind would make it severely expensive for some time... But would be an amazing and helpcul tool for everyone.
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we've yet to see what the competition will bring, specifically Magic Leap, et al.
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If you are interested in a prediction from a patent reader:
Some information from the Oculus Rift subreddit from /u/FredzL:
> *Disclaimer* : pure speculation based on published patents and reviews.
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> I think Magic Leap is :
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> * 40°x40° FOV
> * 8 Mpx/4K (scanning fiber display with piezoelectric actuator)
> * 60 Hz
> * blocking light from the physical world (occlusion mask with LCD(s))
> * nearly correct accommodative depth cues (zone plate diffraction patterning device => 12 levels of depth from 0.5 m to 3 m)
> * low-persistence (720 Hz high-frequency binary display => 1.38 ms illumination per depth layer)
> * glasses form-factor (waveguide with embedded diffraction grating => end goal, not done yet)
> * release in 2016-2017
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> I think Microsoft HoloLens is :
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> * ~40°x22° FOV at most (from the reports : tiny FOV, rectangular)
> * 4 Mpx/2.5K (OLED) or 8 Mpx/4K (LCoS) but color sequential
> * 60 Hz
> * not blocking light from the physical world (additive blending)
> * no accommodative depth cues
> * full persistence
> * large and heavy glasses form-factor
> * release in 2015
reddit/com/r/oculus/comments/2t74sf/microsoft_announces_windows_holographic_ar/cnwsyny
A later update:
>Release dates were just shots in the dark based on the state of what has been shown (nothing for Magic Leap, what looks like a consumer design for Microsoft).
>The others are based on the patents I've read at that time and some known limits (no 4K OLED microdisplays).
>I since discovered other Microsoft patents about masking pixels and variable focus (not really accommodative depth cues but can limit the vergence-accommodation conflict).
>From the reviews it's not clear if that's already been implemented and if not, there is no way to known if it will in the future.
reddit/com/r/oculus/comments/2tiyos/fov_for_the_synthetic_bits_is_not_as_important_in/cnzxw3e
vrwiki.wikispaces/com/Magic+Leap
vrwiki.wikispaces/com/Microsoft+HoloLens
TV physicist Brian Cox and the visual effects team behind the film Gravity are supposedly making a show that debuts Magic Leap at the Manchester International Festival in July.
I’m curious as to how close they are to their patent pictures and wild promises.
Graeme Devine said that it was massive like the head mounted device from the Brainstorm movie, and I don’t think that the first look was too long ago.
If Microsoft gets slightly edged out on hardware, they’ll have to push good software.
E.g.
HoloLens Gaze detection:
>Gaze detection in a see-through, near-eye, mixed reality display
Bloomberg LP (makes financial software) built a virtual prototype of their data terminal for the Oculus Rift that has 20 virtual screens
Looking at a floating button, and pressing a HoloLens eye-tracking “select-what-am-looking-at” button would probably be better than trying to move a mouse-controlled cursor across multiple virtual screens.
>Microsoft patents eye-tracking keyboard software
>The idea’s just like swipe-based keyboard software, but instead of tracking the motion of your fingertip, the system tracks eye movement.
pocketnow/com/2014/12/24/eye-tracking-keyboard
>Microsoft Brings World’s Fastest Texting to Windows Phone 8.1
>“Our whole approach,” Paek says, “is all about promoting muscle memory and making shape writing robust to mistakes.”
research.microsoft/com/en-us/news/features/wordflow-040414/aspx
> Fully Articulated Hand Tracking
research.microsoft/com/en-us/projects/handpose/
3divi has a "turn a surface into touch surface" prototype Youtube video (youtube/com/watch?v=upGTLrSUa5c ) that uses Kinect, and a Pico projector.
Maybe you can replace the Pico projector with a AR generated image.
I would love to see Microsoft excel in Hololens productivity apps, such as something that would extend Visual Studio.
e.mote said:
Since Lens looks to be geared toward indoor use, I wouldn't be surprised if it comes with a cord.
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Patent pictures of Magic Leap depict mobile experiences, such as being at a grocery store, or mowing the lawn, but I personally prefer a solidly tracked indoor experience, and don't mind being tethered.
(I’d be more than happy to fuse multiple Kinects)
But regardless, I’ll probably be getting both of them.
I don't really care much about it. Be careful if you want to use it in the public places. Really disturbing others with holograms.
But if the hologram is going to appear in the real world, unlike Google Glass, I'll buy it. But I need to know where to get it, or where to buy. If I can get by airmail, Thailand Post is really good for breaking stuffs. (My home country is Thailand)
The holo lens seems so cool, and looks like it can have various implementations with the whole world. The only tweek i would make is to make it less bulky. although to be fair, it still is in development
Using Microsoft HoloLens was surely an experience of a lifetime, the one that you can’t easily forget. This wonderful device is filled with a number of pros, however we did come across a few cons as well, all of which are enlisted below for your quick reference.
Pros
Hands free hologram experience
Using HoloLens is no rocket science, Microsoft has taken a number of steps to make this device extremely user friendly. There are no wires and remote control that works over this device, all you get is a head gear that has a few inbuilt buttons on the outer rin
Impressive resolution
Microsoft’s promise to give its users an ultimate holographic experience with HoloLens doesn’t seem illogical. The resolution of this device is so impressive that it literally transforms you to another world of digital excellence.
Spatial sound like never before
Apart from the high quality holographic resolution, HoloLens even boasts upon excellent spatial sound system that works wonders in giving its users a worthy AR experience.
Excellent build quality
Microsoft’s HoloLens comes with a headgear that might appear like few of its contemporaries, however the build quality that it comes with makes it all the more likeable and better device. HoloLens comes with a comfortable weight and sits right on the head giving its user a viewing experience like never before.
I would also like to try them, but everywhere only Oculus is promoted, which I hate.
Is blue tint on pixel 2xl dangerous for eyes?
P2xl said:
Is blue tint on pixel 2xl dangerous for eyes?
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I (med student) am pleased that my knowledge can be shared here. I'm still a student and not an expert in ophthalmology, but I have basic knowledge about the matter.
In general, blue light has more effect on your brain than your eyes themselves, it keeps you awake. Reading mode or "night mode" or every other features that adds a red filter to your screen is made to filter blue light, thus not keeping you awake.
The main thing that's harmful to your eyes are the intensity of the light, the intensity contrast (a moderate light in a bright environment won't be harmful, but the same intensity in a dark room will surely harm your eyes in the long run), and the focus.
What I mean by the focus is that every activity (would it be reading books, reading on a screen, examining very small objects, ...) that forces your eye to accommodate (=focus) a long period of time or repeatedly is to be throughly limited by pauses in the viewing effort. Otherwise it could lead to acquired astigmatism or hypermetropia.
Often your works requires you to work on a screen nowadays, but you shall make pauses (I'd say 5min each hours) to rest your eyes.
The pauses to "rest your eyes" should consist in viewing as far as your glance can reach, perfect if you're in a building, or high up. That exercice will rest your eye's muscles and preserve your sight longer.
Have a good day
Raiz said:
I (med student) am pleased that my knowledge can be shared here. I'm still a student and not an expert in ophthalmology, but I have basic knowledge about the matter.
In general, blue light has more effect on your brain than your eyes themselves, it keeps you awake. Reading mode or "night mode" or every other features that adds a red filter to your screen is made to filter blue light, thus not keeping you awake.
The main thing that's harmful to your eyes are the intensity of the light, the intensity contrast (a moderate light in a bright environment won't be harmful, but the same intensity in a dark room will surely harm your eyes in the long run), and the focus.
What I mean by the focus is that every activity (would it be reading books, reading on a screen, examining very small objects, ...) that forces your eye to accommodate (=focus) a long period of time or repeatedly is to be throughly limited by pauses in the viewing effort. Otherwise it could lead to acquired astigmatism or hypermetropia.
Often your works requires you to work on a screen nowadays, but you shall make pauses (I'd say 5min each hours) to rest your eyes.
The pauses to "rest your eyes" should consist in viewing as far as your glance can reach, perfect if you're in a building, or high up. That exercice will rest your eye's muscles and preserve your sight longer.
Have a good day
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Very detailed reply, thanks a lot bro
Hi,
First of all I am coming from the OP 8 Pro which has a beautiful screen and whites are whites let me get that out of the way first of all.
The customisation Google allows users to do to OUR screens is ridiculous imo.
No RGB, No wide colour gamut and no white balance adjustment.
Is there anyway to get rid of the awful yellow/green on blacks on these screens without root?
Also is there any way to remove material you or at least allow Black/White in the accent colours? I mean come on Google WTAF were they thinking, I don't want any accent on my screen to be crappy coloured it looks washed out with any of the 4 colours.
Also the Normal/Boosted and Adaptive are all weak imo still nowhere near as nice looking as my OP 8 Pro in Wide colour gamut mode.
I have 1 week before I decide what I am doing with this but right now I look at my OP 8 Pro screen and then my Pixel 6 Pro screen and it looks like total puke.
Sorry have to be honest to die hard Google fans, Since Google started to calibrate warm screens since the Pixel 4 XL which I duly sent back also I haven't had a Pixel since then until now and they still are not listening to their customers it seems.
Nope there isn't. Some people prefer overblown colors, others prefer a more muted - dare I say - natural looking screen.
I agree that the level of customisation is lacking and I understand your frustrations. But having had many different devices through the years, you'll usually adapt to the difference in color temperature and gamut over time and that'll become your new standard. It is much like sound from speakers - one initially prefers the sound one is accustomed to and over time either grows to love the new sound profile or keep despising it.
Ady1976 said:
Hi,
First of all I am coming from the OP 8 Pro which has a beautiful screen and whites are whites let me get that out of the way first of all.
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According to this... (display tests)
Pixel 6 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-6-pro-display-review/
Position in Global Ranking #6
Position in Ultra-Premium Ranking #5
OP 8 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/oneplus-8-pro-display-review-color-rendering-a-strength/
Position in Global Ranking #20
You did mention that you have problems with "whites are whites" with your Pixel and not with your OnePlus - maybe you have a defective screen. My P6 Pros display has no problems with whites, yellows or green. Everything fine here.
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Nope there isn't. Some people prefer overblown colors, others prefer a more muted - dare I say - natural looking screen.
I agree that the level of customisation is lacking and I understand your frustrations. But having had many different devices through the years, you'll usually adapt to the difference in color temperature and gamut over time and that'll become your new standard. It is much like sound from speakers - one initially prefers the sound one is accustomed to and over time either grows to love the new sound profile or keep despising it.
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I think the colours are probably just about ok at boosted or adaptive what is making them look even more is the materail you and the warm yellow screen calibration, It doesn't help with colours or whites on any screen even TV's.
Me personally like any TV or Monitor or any screen for that matter they should be configurable to any user, the way google sets their phones up is like a stick it or lump it attitude and it really is not winning me over, People would not keep a TV they were not happy with if the picture could not be adjusted and so goes the same for mobile phone screens and to be quite frank Google the last few years or so have gone worse in terms of screen customisation, Even dare I say it Apple (Cough cough) has white balance adjustments, Why for the love of god do Google not add more screen options, I think I may send it back if nothing can be done, If I could have at least selected black/white is accent colours that would have helped a little for the rest of the green puke on blacks but this screen is just not sharp to me, Even the font they use looks unclear compared to my OP 8 Pro, Weird as it sounds as I have never been a OP fan but they have nailed the screens lately and have a ton of customisation options to boot.
I may wait for the OP 10 Pro, Somehow I don't think I can live with a device that you use for hours each day and is the most important factor imo.
Morgrain said:
According to this... (display tests)
Pixel 6 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-6-pro-display-review/
Position in Global Ranking #6
Position in Ultra-Premium Ranking #5
OP 8 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/oneplus-8-pro-display-review-color-rendering-a-strength/
Position in Global Ranking #20
You did mention that you have problems with "whites are whites" with your Pixel and not with your OnePlus - maybe you have a defective screen. My P6 Pros display has no problems with whites, yellows or green. Everything fine here.
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HI,
It's my second P6 Pro I received yesterday and they both look exactly the same, They have been calibrated warm as Google has been doing for a few years now and not having enough configurable display options to allow the user to configure their devcie to their liking, I don't expect miracles but I expect a flagship phone to be adjustable to my needs and likes.
I prefer the cool white look and this is screen is not that, Doesn't look as bad in daylight but in duller darker rooms is looks awful to my eyes, Font is too bold, No black accent colour to get rid off the green puke on blacks because of material you and no white balance adjustment just sucks for a premium device imo.
I will see if I can take a picture both side by side so people can see how white my OP 8 Pro is but sometimes cameras take half assed pics of screens.
Ady1976 said:
I think the colours are probably just about ok at boosted or adaptive what is making them look even more is the materail you and the warm yellow screen calibration, It doesn't help with colours or whites on any screen even TV's.
Me personally like any TV or Monitor or any screen for that matter they should be configurable to any user, the way google sets their phones up is like a stick it or lump it attitude and it really is not winning me over, People would not keep a TV they were not happy with if the picture could not be adjusted and so goes the same for mobile phone screens and to be quite frank Google the last few years or so have gone worse in terms of screen customisation, Even dare I say it Apple (Cough cough) has white balance adjustments, Why for the love of god do Google not add more screen options, I think I may send it back if nothing can be done, If I could have at least selected black/white is accent colours that would have helped a little for the rest of the green puke on blacks but this screen is just not sharp to me, Even the font they use looks unclear compared to my OP 8 Pro, Weird as it sounds as I have never been a OP fan but they have nailed the screens lately and have a ton of customisation options to boot.
I may wait for the OP 10 Pro, Somehow I don't think I can live with a device that you use for hours each day and is the most important factor imo.
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It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
Use night light to reallllly make it yellow then turn it off, it'll look more whiter for you orrrrr don't buy a pixel lol
blackhawk said:
It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
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Hey funny you should say that because my Sony TV doesn't look that good at 120hz neither, Colours change from 60hz to 120hz.
But my OP 8 Pro is pure white and good colours, All I can think of they calibrated it for the highest resolution which to be honest is what Google should have done.
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Use night light to reallllly make it yellow then turn it off, it'll look more whiter for you orrrrr don't buy a pixel lol
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Yep it's the reason I sent the 4XL back lol, I'd have thought that many would have complained in the meantime since the last 2 gens and Google would have done something about it, Maybe my eyes are sensitive to screen setup quality or colour or something but I don't rate this screen at all.
blackhawk said:
It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
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Agree about VRR but my s21U @120 Hz display looks *Much* better than my P6P display. The colour is much more vibrant. The P6P display looks dull and yellow IMHO. I'm very underwhelmed by it
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Yep it's the reason I sent the 4XL back lol, I'd have thought that many would have complained in the meantime since the last 2 gens and Google would have done something about it, Maybe my eyes are sensitive to screen setup quality or colour or something but I don't rate this screen at all.
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Agreed. I don't think it's a very good panel maybe B+ overall.
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Agree about VRR but my s21U @120 Hz display looks *Much* better than my P6P display. The colour is much more vibrant. The P6P display looks dull and yellow IMHO. I'm very underwhelmed by it
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I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION!".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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Aside from the colours, the panel just looks much better. There's even noticeable PWM on my P6P that the s21U doesn't have. After years of trying to get the right tuning , contrast etc on my TVs I've decided to go with what I like , same for phones, the P6P just doesn't look that nice to me. PS. I didn't think the OP8Pronhad a good display either, mine had pretty bad green tint and black crush at low brightness.
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There's even noticeable PWM on my P6P that the s21U doesn't have.
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Interesting. My family has many S21Us and I've noticed flicker on their phones, but not on my P6 Pro. In the end it's a question of sensitivity I guess. Every modern flagshipphone flickers/ has PMW (Iphones, Samsungs, Pixels...), so in the end I'd say get the device that's best for your eyes/headaches.
According to https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...proved-in-many-ways-but-not-all.517524.0.html the S21 Ultra has
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"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
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I looked for a test with the P6 Pro, but haven't found such a graphic yet.
Morgrain said:
Interesting. My family has many S21Us and I've noticed flicker on their phones, but not on my P6 Pro. In the end it's a question of sensitivity I guess. Every modern flagshipphone flickers/ has PMW (Iphones, Samsungs, Pixels...), so in the end I'd say get the device that's best for your eyes/headaches.
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Of course, you should get the display you like. A lot is probably subjective anyway.
Morgrain said:
I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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The S21U is not "missing colors when in vibrant mode. Although you may find colors oversaturated.
Batfink33 said:
Agreed. I don't think it's a very good panel maybe B+ overall.
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I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
Morgrain said:
I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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Yes but question do you watch everyday TV programs with Warm 1 or Warm 2 as it is known on Sony TV's? I am going to stick my neck out and say you probably don't as most Warm profiles on TV's is for Movies only not everyday use and the fact is I can adjust it on my TV back to neutral without that yellow look.
As for the colours yes they do look natural and just about right but it's that washed out look that makes the colours look even more muted, No point having a good colour profile and then washing them out all with yellow is there lets be honest it does not make sense and never has why they do this on a device that you look at 99% of the time and 9 times out of 10 your not watching movies on it anyway.
Also not just the yellow tint you have to put up with on these P 6's and Pro's it's even that crappy material you that you can't turn and so no mater what wallpaper you use it's adding yet another layer of colour on top of the yellow already, So you've got yellow and 1 of them 4 accent colours messing everything up, My problem is with Google is they are not helping at all by not allowing users to configure their screens, You would not in a million years as an enthusiast purchase a TV that you cannot configure the screen for so.
Ady1976 said:
I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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To each their own I suppose. I had the OP 8 Pro before the P6P, and I prefer the P6P's display. The OP 8 Pro would give me a headache after a while of viewing, and the P6P's display does not.
I also prefer the more natural colors of the P6P than the exceedingly vibrant, almost cartoonish-like colors of the Samsung, and OP displays to a lesser extent.
Ady1976 said:
I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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That's interesting you said about the font looking blurry, this is something I also see but I don't know whats causing it, text looks grainy to me. I don't know the technical reason or why but there's a kind of grain to the display that I can see.