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What are your thoughts on the upcoming Red Hydrogen One? It's specs and software?
Also, do you think the display will be "holographic" as they claim it to be, or just another gimmick?
Drop your thought below. Try not to post links, though you are free to attach pictures.
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The Red Hydrogen intrigues me for several reasons.
First, and foremost, Jim Jannard. Many here may not know why that name is important, but Jim founded Oakley and innovated in an industry that was lacking; completely changing the industry irrevocably. Jim redefined the science and design of eyewear forever as Oakley X Metal was the culmination of impeccable design and perfected materials. Something about my X Metal XX makes me want to see the Titanium version of the Hydrogen One. Jim is a perfectionist and devoted 1000% to what he does. I expect this to be the same.
I expect the approach I've seen in Oakley to continue with RED, and so far, based on everything I have read and seen, the science, technology, and innovation the man is known for is evident in RED devices' design language. Check out Marquee Brownlee's video of the prototype on Youtube. You can see the same principals applied
Another reason I am excited is Holographic display. This will be an industry game-changer. So far, we haven't had a look at it, but soon (i infer from the proto video) we will.
Modular accessories are another aspect that pique my interest. I can say i dislike moto mods due to the bulk it adds to a device, but the implementation on the RED device appears to be similar. (pins, magnets). Soon we will see how much better (or possibly worse) this implementation is.
In an age where the average flagship is already close to $1000, it honestly makes sense for a perfectionist like Jim to enter the scene with the drive, vision, and knowledge to innovate and improve an industry that has had shortcomings prevalent for years. (death of project ara, loss of headphone jacks, puny batteries (looking at you, Moto Z anything), and sub-par quality parts on premium flagship devices. May RED change the landscape of Android forever.
EDIT: well, nope. not happening. Hydrogen One is pointless. Would have been okay a year ago. Releasing what it is, despite whatever future plans is for modules, etc, is still an exercise in futility. What was the vision here? well, aside from riding the coat tails of the RED name while having nothing RED about it. Clearly, I am generally a JJ fan, but not in this instance. i am embarrassed for hyping this for even a millisecond. If you want to make phones, hire someone that knows something about the enthusiast market, bc we drive the whole industry. just ask One Plus. They figured that out 5 years ago. Always ask the users what they require. the 4 view feature is cool, but ultimately limited and novel at best. the modular system, done right (like Google and Motorola failed to do decently) would be amazing. i even had an ad imagined....[Kid rides his bike to the mail box. gets small box with component board (brain module) goes home and slaps it in his RED phone which reboots into a new OS, graphics, etc.]
That phone should be made of titanium bc while it may not last a lifetime, it will outlast a typical glass or aluminum body. that is the leap Jannard should have had his team taking with 2+ years of R+D and his background and knowledge of titanium. the forever phone. instead of a giant hunk of poop like the hydrogen one is.
Sorry for the DP, but i downloaded the spec sheet (for now). It doesnt say much aside from giving some pricing and materials and a screen size. Useful information to an extent, but again, it really doesn't delve into SOC, RAM, Battery.
edit: Battery: Huge.
Ram: Mediocre at best
SOC: total insult to anyone paying more than $500 for a phone.
Does this have wireless charging?
StormCell said:
Does this have wireless charging?
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Although I cant say for sure, since the phone isnt out yet, it seems like it wont due to the lack of a glass or ceramic back. Also the back of the phone seems to be a terrible surface to wireless charge on from a design perspective. It could get a module addon though so fingers crossed.
What do you think of the physical watch over a smart watch idea?
I think it would be fine if the physical part would be transparent, for example when watching emails it would be completly transparent but normally there would be a led lighting it up
I like the idea of an analog watch with some smart watch features, the reliability of analog would go great with some basic use-cases of digital. Like, a watch that sends text messages? A watch that makes calls? What's the point when you have a phone in your pocket.
For privacy, I prefer analog versions of as much things as I can. Too many companies tracking everything you do on digital stuff.
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What do you think of the physical watch over a smart watch idea?
I think it would be fine if the physical part would be transparent, for example when watching emails it would be completly transparent but normally there would be a led lighting it up
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To me, this sounds like strapping your car behind some horses. I personally think it's not such a catchy idea, .... but to each his own!
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What do you think of the physical watch over a smart watch idea?
I think it would be fine if the physical part would be transparent, for example when watching emails it would be completly transparent but normally there would be a led lighting it up
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Doesn't Sound like a bad idea to me!
Smart Watch is better
The thing we wear on our wrists is getting a new life, and that is tech. With touchscreen and sensors, watches are becoming "smartwatches."
We're seeing an era in which everything wants to be improvised with technology. But how do these relatively new gadgets stand against the giants which has built their fame for ages?
We humans see tech a solution to a problem. When we have no way to communicate, we create telephones.
When we need communication mobile, we create smaller devices. When we need portable computing machines, we develop smaller computers we can hold on our palms. Technologies were known to create something based on our needs; it fixes things and eases the way we interact with our world.
But tech isn't stopping there. It's also moving into an industry we know thrives and survives well even without them. Techs are getting into your wardrobe; they're coming as part of your daily clothing. In short, they want to be inseparable from humans.
Apple Watch
With tech getting on our wrists, Apple has it with the Apple Watch, Samsung has it and Pebble also.
More contenders are up and against each other for the market that is once dominated with the likes of Swiss watchmakers. But how do these gadgets affect the industry? They certainly caught a lot of headlines, and they're all up against those old-fashioned watchmakers that made the value of a "watch" at stake.
Apple and others have taken a long time before having the proper time for the proper technology, and the vision to being their products to the market.
What we have on our wrists, previously, were worn by millions; they show bits of time, date and some others. Tech makers are fond on putting more things than necessary, but this time, they made another successful debut.
In the age of information, tech companies are putting more and more information. Smartwatches put a lot more things on your wrist. And the possibility is that there will be more things than you ever need on a device strapped tightly on your wrists.
Will these smartwatches be a replacement to the old-fashioned handmade state-of-the-art pile of cogs and gears? No. The traditional market will always have its own fans because they never want to purely put information on the wrist.
They all move in a different market.
Mohit Bansal Chandigarh says Smart Watches are Better Than Physical Watches
Mohit Bansal Chandigarh says Smart Watches are better as they offer loads of features which are helpful in our daily routine. Some of the features are activity and fitness tracking, heart rate monitoring, GPS, calorie tracking, Barometer, Sedentary Reminder, and Sleep Monitoring.
whizadvert said:
The thing we wear on our wrists is getting a new life, and that is tech. With touchscreen and sensors, watches are becoming "smartwatches."
We're seeing an era in which everything wants to be improvised with technology. But how do these relatively new gadgets stand against the giants which has built their fame for ages?
We humans see tech a solution to a problem. When we have no way to communicate, we create telephones.
When we need communication mobile, we create smaller devices. When we need portable computing machines, we develop smaller computers we can hold on our palms. Technologies were known to create something based on our needs; it fixes things and eases the way we interact with our world.
But tech isn't stopping there. It's also moving into an industry we know thrives and survives well even without them. Techs are getting into your wardrobe; they're coming as part of your daily clothing. In short, they want to be inseparable from humans.
Apple Watch
With tech getting on our wrists, Apple has it with the Apple Watch, Samsung has it and Pebble also.
More contenders are up and against each other for the market that is once dominated with the likes of Swiss watchmakers. But how do these gadgets affect the industry? They certainly caught a lot of headlines, and they're all up against those old-fashioned watchmakers that made the value of a "watch" at stake.
Apple and others have taken a long time before having the proper time for the proper technology, and the vision to being their products to the market.
What we have on our wrists, previously, were worn by millions; they show bits of time, date and some others. Tech makers are fond on putting more things than necessary, but this time, they made another successful debut.
In the age of information, tech companies are putting more and more information. Smartwatches put a lot more things on your wrist. And the possibility is that there will be more things than you ever need on a device strapped tightly on your wrists.
Will these smartwatches be a replacement to the old-fashioned handmade state-of-the-art pile of cogs and gears? No. The traditional market will always have its own fans because they never want to purely put information on the wrist.
They all move in a different market.
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Very true. Absolutely agree.
Omega Seamaster / Longines Conquest / TAG / Rolex are statements in their own right - not just for blind technology. Hey, maybe we are so engrossed with tech that we fail to see that some may NOT want a beeper on their wrist for every notification that comes in/even if customized.
There's something called too much of it.
Hii every one,
Today's time where everyone, keep moving to the modern world here to stay fit is every one 1st priority. But due to unorganized schedule create a lot of health issues. So here is a new smartwatch which helps everyone to keep count everything. As I am working one, and not have enough time to measure my working hours and heart rate. Once I was just browsing in net, and I found bestviewreviews site, there I find lots of option and multiple varieties. And then order smart watch from there. And you will not believe, from the last 5 years, I am using the same smartwatch. It is nice, perfect in counts my pedometers and helps me to control my heart rates too.
Does not look good Sound I think it's a bad Idea.... !!! You have to again focus on it.
Satisfiedshoes
i think its a good idea but i think smart watch is better and it provides a lot of features.
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Just watched the Surface Duo 2 announcement & reveal. I gotta say, I'm excited.
A few key complaints were solved, and some far beyond what I expected.
The glance bar seen at the hinge when closed...that's effin fantastic. Can see notifications with device closed.
Camera improvements (well not so much improved as it is actually in existence now, lol) - Though I imagine the camera bump will create some awkwardness when device fully open or laying flat on table, etc.
Pen magnetically attached to cover. I like it a lot...but can foresee issues with device protection options.
The curved screens...I guess they are supposed to help lessen the gap between screens visually. Got me curious here. (and, how do you protect that?)
No mention of water / dust resistance - maybe we'll see something in spec sheet.
Obviously thankful for the Snapdragon 888 and 5G connectivity!!
oh, and BLACK!
What do you guys think?
Hi,
Well I was awaiting that event for several reasons, but I must say I am disappointed in many ways.
You're talking about the camera improvement. Well, indeed the bumps makes the device look totally different than what is was and I really loved the neat and sleek design. But OK, so a bump. For what ? 3 lenses : 16 + 12 +12 MP. When all competition is at 108 MP ? I know MP do not make a picture, but still... I could forgive poor camera when there was no bump. Now, it is unforgivable.
It is already difficult to find a nice protection case for this. And a good screen protector. With curved screen,s this is going to be impossible. ANd that is also sad :-(
But the most incredible thing is :
- have you heard what version of Android will be packed in the new Surface Duo 2 ? Nope. not a word. So they may even ship it with Android 10. Because if they would have packed Android 12 (to be released in 3/4 weeks) they would probably have said so. But the silence leaves me with low expectations, especially when they talked so much about how Windows 11 is amazing in that event :
- do you know if the launcher has been improved ?
- do you know if that éamazing" photo software will be available for Surface Duo 1 owners ?
They did not talked a single time about the improvements they did with software. And that is simply scary as this is, for me, the main concern about this device.
As I said, I was awaiting this event. But given the circumstances, as I am still in the money back warranty program, I'll return the Surface Duo as I can not justify to spend 800€ in a device that has so many flaws and that will obviously receive no attention from it's creator.
Regards.
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Hi,
Well I was awaiting that event for several reasons, but I must say I am disappointed in many ways.
You're talking about the camera improvement. Well, indeed the bumps makes the device look totally different than what is was and I really loved the neat and sleek design. But OK, so a bump. For what ? 3 lenses : 16 + 12 +12 MP. When all competition is at 108 MP ? I know MP do not make a picture, but still... I could forgive poor camera when there was no bump. Now, it is unforgivable.
It is already difficult to find a nice protection case for this. And a good screen protector. With curved screen,s this is going to be impossible. ANd that is also sad :-(
But the most incredible thing is :
- have you heard what version of Android will be packed in the new Surface Duo 2 ? Nope. not a word. So they may even ship it with Android 10. Because if they would have packed Android 12 (to be released in 3/4 weeks) they would probably have said so. But the silence leaves me with low expectations, especially when they talked so much about how Windows 11 is amazing in that event :
- do you know if the launcher has been improved ?
- do you know if that éamazing" photo software will be available for Surface Duo 1 owners ?
They did not talked a single time about the improvements they did with software. And that is simply scary as this is, for me, the main concern about this device.
As I said, I was awaiting this event. But given the circumstances, as I am still in the money back warranty program, I'll return the Surface Duo as I can not justify to spend 800€ in a device that has so many flaws and that will obviously receive no attention from it's creator.
Regards.
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Definitely some good points there!
It is shipping with Android 11, according to the specs listed on website
Surface Duo 2 – Dual-Screen Mobile Productivity – Microsoft Surface
Open two screens and discover limitless possibilities with Surface Duo 2, now with next-level multitasking, lightning-fast 5G and intelligent three-lens camera.
www.microsoft.com
Bandage said:
Definitely some good points there!
It is shipping with Android 11, according to the specs listed on website
Surface Duo 2 – Dual-Screen Mobile Productivity – Microsoft Surface
Open two screens and discover limitless possibilities with Surface Duo 2, now with next-level multitasking, lightning-fast 5G and intelligent three-lens camera.
www.microsoft.com
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Hi,
Yes, saw that a little later.
It is comprehensible that they did not make a statement about that in their device presentation.
Is Android an solid positive point today, 2 weeks before Android 12 is going to be released ?
I may see the devil everywhere, especially in some details.
But if Microsoft was working on Android 12 already, would they not have mentioned : "And updated to the latest Android available shortly after it will be released" or something like that ?
I am still asking myself questions that, I think would derserve an answer from Microsoft...
Anyways, here are my complete thoughts about the Surface Duo 2...
1°) Improvements that I would take :
- the external display. Well not really an external display. But at least the ability to see what time it is without having to unfold the Surface Duo is an improvement that would be worth the upgrade in itself ; being able to see the battery status is also nice there. And to at least know if I got a call or message is also nice. Maybe try to add an indication about who is calling and we're good to go ;
- the better battery : surprisingly, with my day to day usage of the Surface Duo it's small battery is quite decent. BUT as probably most of us noticed, as soon as battery is heavily used, it melts like snow in a hot summer day in Florida ! So a better, bigger battery is welcome ;
- bigger dispaly : oh yeah... I would definitely take those as the Surface Duo is really a work tool for me and as such, the bigger, the better
- about the camera, I would of course use the new camera. But not really for quality, more for convenience. The double display management with the current camera is simply a disaster. Most of the time, when I use the camera and turn the device to shoot something else than myself, the opposite display does not turn on so I am shooting blind, if I shoot at all !.
2°) Improvements nice to me, but not "must have"
- better SoC ? It is nice. But will I even notice the increased speeds ?
- more RAM ? Nice, but would I even notice the improvement in a real life experiment ?
- more storage ? Nice, but 256GB is already 5 times what I need ;
- 5G ? I don't even think I've reached the limits of 4G+, so...
- Wi-Fi 6 ? Really nice, but... my Wi-Fi router does not have that, so not in dire need ;
- NFC ? Why not, but really I don't care.
3°) Things I'd like and that are not there (or not sure)
- Wireless charging ? I don't think the new device has that. Why ? Especially in this form factor and with the severe weakness on the USB-C port, wireless chargng would have been cool ;
- fast charging : 23W cahrger ? I think other brands like Oppo or One plus or even Xiaomi have much more than that and can charge a battery in less than 45 minutes... and a battery much larger than the one in the Surface Duo ;
- improved software. Cool, they worked with a phone game editor to have 3 optimized games to play on the Surface Duo... But is this not supposed to be a "work phone" ? And 3 games ? What about all the rest ? What about MS own software ? Will we have improved launcher and stuff like that ? Will MS help devs to adapt their software for the Surface Duo ?
All in all a mitigated impression over those announcements... At least for me.
Regards.
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Hi,
Yes, saw that a little later.
It is comprehensible that they did not make a statement about that in their device presentation.
Is Android an solid positive point today, 2 weeks before Android 12 is going to be released ?
I may see the devil everywhere, especially in some details.
But if Microsoft was working on Android 12 already, would they not have mentioned : "And updated to the latest Android available shortly after it will be released" or something like that ?
I am still asking myself questions that, I think would derserve an answer from Microsoft...
Anyways, here are my complete thoughts about the Surface Duo 2...
1°) Improvements that I would take :
- the external display. Well not really an external display. But at least the ability to see what time it is without having to unfold the Surface Duo is an improvement that would be worth the upgrade in itself ; being able to see the battery status is also nice there. And to at least know if I got a call or message is also nice. Maybe try to add an indication about who is calling and we're good to go ;
- the better battery : surprisingly, with my day to day usage of the Surface Duo it's small battery is quite decent. BUT as probably most of us noticed, as soon as battery is heavily used, it melts like snow in a hot summer day in Florida ! So a better, bigger battery is welcome ;
- bigger dispaly : oh yeah... I would definitely take those as the Surface Duo is really a work tool for me and as such, the bigger, the better
- about the camera, I would of course use the new camera. But not really for quality, more for convenience. The double display management with the current camera is simply a disaster. Most of the time, when I use the camera and turn the device to shoot something else than myself, the opposite display does not turn on so I am shooting blind, if I shoot at all !.
2°) Improvements nice to me, but not "must have"
- better SoC ? It is nice. But will I even notice the increased speeds ?
- more RAM ? Nice, but would I even notice the improvement in a real life experiment ?
- more storage ? Nice, but 256GB is already 5 times what I need ;
- 5G ? I don't even think I've reached the limits of 4G+, so...
- Wi-Fi 6 ? Really nice, but... my Wi-Fi router does not have that, so not in dire need ;
- NFC ? Why not, but really I don't care.
- improved software. Cool, they worked with a phone game editor to have 3 optimized games to play on the Surface Duo... But is this not supposed to be a "work phone" ? And 3 games ? What about all the rest ? What about MS own software ? Will we have improved launcher and stuff like that ? Will MS help devs to adapt their software for the Surface Duo ?
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I do think some of your points are very valid.
Not sure if I misunderstood what you said about outer display, but there IS a notification area when device fully closed. With the curve ends of the inner edge of screens it allowed them to have a strip that can be seen with device closed. It shows things like time, battery, missed calls, notifications. It's certainly not robust, but anything more and they'd have to increase thickness and weight even more. Many consumers would prefer this device to be as light and thin as possible. (according to reviews of Duo 1, the thin design was a huge draw)
2°) Improvements nice to me, but not "must have"
- better SoC ? It is nice. But will I even notice the increased speeds ? OMG yes we should notice improvements here combined with RAM increase
- more RAM ? Nice, but would I even notice the improvement in a real life experiment ?
- more storage ? Nice, but 256GB is already 5 times what I need ; agreed
- 5G ? I don't even think I've reached the limits of 4G+, so... agreed, but they needed to keep up with all the others that offer 5G - I also haven't "needed" 5G, but it is faster
- Wi-Fi 6 ? Really nice, but... my Wi-Fi router does not have that, so not in dire need ; agreed
- NFC ? Why not, but really I don't care. In a contactless world (pandemic is really pushing the need for contactless solutions) we need this
Regarding Android 12...I would like assurance that it will eventually be offered, but will be ecstatic to have the Duo 2 work as intended in the meantime. It sounds like they spent a lot of time on the software to get things right.
One little thing that has me doing cartwheels...the device will remember what apps you use spanned across both screens, so you won't have to fiddle with stretching it each and every time like you do on Duo 1. My Kindle app will open on both screens when launched. LOVE THIS
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I do think some of your points are very valid.
Not sure if I misunderstood what you said about outer display, but there IS a notification area when device fully closed. With the curve ends of the inner edge of screens it allowed them to have a strip that can be seen with device closed. It shows things like time, battery, missed calls, notifications. It's certainly not robust, but anything more and they'd have to increase thickness and weight even more. Many consumers would prefer this device to be as light and thin as possible. (according to reviews of Duo 1, the thin design was a huge draw)
2°) Improvements nice to me, but not "must have"
- better SoC ? It is nice. But will I even notice the increased speeds ? OMG yes we should notice improvements here combined with RAM increase
- more RAM ? Nice, but would I even notice the improvement in a real life experiment ?
- more storage ? Nice, but 256GB is already 5 times what I need ; agreed
- 5G ? I don't even think I've reached the limits of 4G+, so... agreed, but they needed to keep up with all the others that offer 5G - I also haven't "needed" 5G, but it is faster
- Wi-Fi 6 ? Really nice, but... my Wi-Fi router does not have that, so not in dire need ; agreed
- NFC ? Why not, but really I don't care. In a contactless world (pandemic is really pushing the need for contactless solutions) we need this
Regarding Android 12...I would like assurance that it will eventually be offered, but will be ecstatic to have the Duo 2 work as intended in the meantime. It sounds like they spent a lot of time on the software to get things right.
One little thing that has me doing cartwheels...the device will remember what apps you use spanned across both screens, so you won't have to fiddle with stretching it each and every time like you do on Duo 1. My Kindle app will open on both screens when launched. LOVE THIS
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Hi,
Yes, we agree on that "external display". And as I said, to me that is a HUGE improvement. I only wirshed they added the ability to display the name of the guy calling you.
As I also said, NFC, is not something that I would missed BUT indeed your points are right and that would be a nice addition... but to me wireless charging would be more useful.
And yes, if they would add (and offer it to Surface Duo 1) the ability to make the app remember if it's been spanned acroos 2 displays, that would be a HUGE improvement to software
Anyways, Surface Duo 2 is not for me before a long time (until prices drop to low floor as they are now for Surface Duo 1).
Regards.
Hi all,
This may be in the too soon to tell or no one knows category of question but "Does anyone know if there will be GCam mods on the Pixel 6Pro GCam to further improve it's capabilities like is the case with the ports to other phones?"
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Hi all,
This may be in the too soon to tell or no one knows category of question but "Does anyone know if there will be GCam mods on the Pixel 6Pro GCam to further improve it's capabilities like is the case with the ports to other phones?"
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the gcam mods there to enable software features that are not-authorized for older or off-brand phones? Wouldn't really give you anything for the P6 since its the newest and has all the new super magic features already.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the gcam mods there to enable software features that are not-authorized for older or off-brand phones? Wouldn't really give you anything for the P6 since its the newest and has all the new super magic features already.
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Yeah I'm not sure if what they do with gcam takes any of its features and dials up the scale to eleven and therefore would add value on the main Pixel device of the time.
I'm happy either way because as you say, the latest pixel already has amazing goodies!
I loved the modded GCAM on my Pixel 3, because it allowed me to dial down the noise reduction and sharpening for the JPEGs. As the Pixel 6 is again guilty of, the stock JPEGs do not even come close to the level of detail the DNG files allow. But with those tweaks, I did not need to go to lightroom with most pictures, that I deemed important. 95% came out great with the modded GCAM.
I really cannot wait for someone to make this possible for Pixel 6. Such great hardware, such a baaad set up JPEG engine.
I put this on similar threads; it's important that as many people as possible make themselves heard. All of you concerned about the jpeg over-processing issue, please weigh in here, so that Google can see our complaints: https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/208860802
The more people who post, the more likely the complaint will be noticed. (Sorry if this appears to be spam; it's strategic.)
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I put this on similar threads; it's important that as many people as possible make themselves heard. All of you concerned about the jpeg over-processing issue, please weigh in here, so that Google can see our complaints: https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/208860802
The more people who post, the more likely the complaint will be noticed. (Sorry if this appears to be spam; it's strategic.)
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I honestly don't think that gooble gives a damn. There are issues in that system that are over a decade old with tens of thousands of responses that have not been addressed.
There's a gcam mod for pixel devices only that works very well.
Has lovely b&w mode and swaps to zoom cam.
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-MWP/f/dl14/
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I honestly don't think that gooble gives a damn. There are issues in that system that are over a decade old with tens of thousands of responses that have not been addressed.
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And your Aosp Is better?
96carboard said:
I honestly don't think that gooble gives a damn. There are issues in that system that are over a decade old with tens of thousands of responses that have not been addressed.
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You may be right, but you may not. That page *seems* to be monitored: someone, for instance, has established a hierarchy of priorities. Is this smoke and mirrors? Maybe. But Google gets their bug reports from somewhere, and why wouldn't this be the place?
Also, this new report gives me a tiny bit of hope. On the list of 100 or so fixes in the December update you find this one, specific to the Pixel 6 and 6 Pro:
General image quality improvements in camera preview/capture.
(@Golf c — I had to look up that acronym. I take it you're referring to the American Society of Orthopedic Professionals?)
I purchased the pro and had to return it due to prinicple on the 48 mp being marketed as un-Binned, But it is... but stayed with the 6 because i wanted a new phone over the pixel 2. The pixel 2 camera is in every pixel since it but the 6 and pro.
Day after day i sent this as feedback in my camera app and in the system. If they did care they would have released it with options for all its features... what they want to do is not have yoy recoding and uploading to social media 4k videos that those systems cannot afford to host your needlessly high detail on a day to day.
this is the fedback i sent: "
Pixel 6
Google Camera App Feature Request:
"Enable options to output Photo file resolutions equaling near 50 megapixels OR 100 megapixels for main camera sensor."
"Options to take full resolution photo."
"Output file resolutions larger than 12.5 megapixels."
"Options to disable Pixel Binning."
Samsung clearly stated the sensor is capable of output at these resolutions, source:
"Samsung Electronics, a world leader in advanced semiconductor technology, today introduced Samsung ISOCELL GN1, a new 50-megapixel (Mp) image sensor with large 1.2μm-sized pixels. The ISOCELL GN1 is Samsung’s first image sensor to offer both Dual Pixel and Tetracell technologies. Thanks to the relatively larger pixel size, the GN1 brings image sensor performance to a new level with a combination of elevated light sensitivity for stellar low-light photos and DSLR-level auto-focus speeds, optimized for more dynamic picture-taking experiences.
“With innovative pixel technologies, Samsung has been at the forefront of offering high-performance image sensors that closely cater to increasingly diversifying market needs. The ISOCELL GN1 is part of that commitment to deliver stunning images to consumers in any environment,” said Yongin Park, executive vice president of sensor business at Samsung Electronics. “We will continue to introduce image sensor solutions at the cutting-edge that will lead the next trends in mobile photography.”
Creating desirable images is an indispensable element for today’s smartphone users who are well accustomed to visually grasping and cherishing special moments, wherever they are. To address various imaging preferences of the users, some smartphone makers put more emphasis on extremely detailed images with ultra-high resolutions, while some choose bigger pixels for bright results in low-light environments. The new Samsung ISOCELL GN1 fulfills these multiple needs at once with Dual Pixel and Tetracell technologies.
The GN1 brings best-in-class auto-focusing with 100 million phase detection auto-focus (PDAF) agents. Samsung’s Dual Pixel technology places two photodiodes side-by-side within a single pixel that can receive light from different angles for phase detection. With all of the sensor’s active pixels working as auto-focusing agents, the GN1 can detect and focus onto a desired still or moving object from every corner in an instant, even in low-light conditions. When capturing images, a single pixel output is created by merging the outputs from the two photodiodes within the pixel. Samsung also provides a software algorithm that takes light information from each photodiode to produce image resolutions comparable to 100Mp.
For ultimate low-light photography, the GN1 adopts Tetracell technology, a pixel-merging technique that improves the pixels’ capacity to capture and process more light. By binning four pixel signals into one, Tetracell doubles the image sensor’s pixel size to 2.4μm and quadruples the light sensitivity to take brighter 12.5Mp photographs. With improved light sensitivity combined with a powerful auto-focusing solution, the GN1 is able to focus on an object quickly even in extreme low-light environment to deliver both brighter and sharper results.
In addition to Dual Pixel and Tetracell technologies, the GN1 comes with Smart-ISO that intelligently selects the optimal ISO, real-time HDR that captures the scene in multiple exposures simultaneously, and gyro-based electronic image stabilization (EIS) that takes sharp images and video even when in motion. For premium video quality, the image sensor supports video recording at up to 8K resolution at 30 frames-per-second (fps)."
https://news.samsung.com/global/sam...with-faster-auto-focusing-and-brighter-images
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"Instantly lock in on an area or object and produce sharp images in motion-packed situations. Dual Pixel technology accelerates the speed and boosts the precision of ISOCELL GN1’s autofocus capabilities, making it simpler for users to get clear and crisp pictures. Each pixel in the 50MP image sensor carries two photodiodes, allowing the component to execute ultra-fast autofocus and capture moving objects no matter where they are in the frame. Also, ISOCELL GN1 takes light information from each photodiode to produce a 100MP resolution photograph by a software algorithm."
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/isocell/mobile-image-sensors/isocell-gn1/"
do you think me sending this did anything?
likely a little. but yes it is true that the squeaky wheel gets the oil. if those who don't like it dont speak up then well that is how it will be accepted to be.
whenever google releases the ai bots to build the phone based on what all this feedback should lead them to understand is when you will have a top of the line device built by them... until then they are making budget devices still.
but from my research samsung has locked google out of the software required to complete the upscaling algorithm etc etc. that wasnt in google and samsungs contract or some other bull, becasue it can clearly do it as the manufacture boosts
"produces an output comparable to" does not mean "produces an output of"
This said, though, a 50MP un-binned option in the camera settings would've been cool
Solomon M said:
I purchased the pro and had to return it due to prinicple on the 48 mp being marketed as un-Binned, But it is... but stayed with the 6 because i wanted a new phone over the pixel 2. The pixel 2 camera is in every pixel since it but the 6 and pro.
Day after day i sent this as feedback in my camera app and in the system. If they did care they would have released it with options for all its features... what they want to do is not have yoy recoding and uploading to social media 4k videos that those systems cannot afford to host your needlessly high detail on a day to day.
this is the fedback i sent: "
Pixel 6
Google Camera App Feature Request:
"Enable options to output Photo file resolutions equaling near 50 megapixels OR 100 megapixels for main camera sensor."
"Options to take full resolution photo."
"Output file resolutions larger than 12.5 megapixels."
"Options to disable Pixel Binning."
Samsung clearly stated the sensor is capable of output at these resolutions, source:
"Samsung Electronics, a world leader in advanced semiconductor technology, today introduced Samsung ISOCELL GN1, a new 50-megapixel (Mp) image sensor with large 1.2μm-sized pixels. The ISOCELL GN1 is Samsung’s first image sensor to offer both Dual Pixel and Tetracell technologies. Thanks to the relatively larger pixel size, the GN1 brings image sensor performance to a new level with a combination of elevated light sensitivity for stellar low-light photos and DSLR-level auto-focus speeds, optimized for more dynamic picture-taking experiences.
“With innovative pixel technologies, Samsung has been at the forefront of offering high-performance image sensors that closely cater to increasingly diversifying market needs. The ISOCELL GN1 is part of that commitment to deliver stunning images to consumers in any environment,” said Yongin Park, executive vice president of sensor business at Samsung Electronics. “We will continue to introduce image sensor solutions at the cutting-edge that will lead the next trends in mobile photography.”
Creating desirable images is an indispensable element for today’s smartphone users who are well accustomed to visually grasping and cherishing special moments, wherever they are. To address various imaging preferences of the users, some smartphone makers put more emphasis on extremely detailed images with ultra-high resolutions, while some choose bigger pixels for bright results in low-light environments. The new Samsung ISOCELL GN1 fulfills these multiple needs at once with Dual Pixel and Tetracell technologies.
The GN1 brings best-in-class auto-focusing with 100 million phase detection auto-focus (PDAF) agents. Samsung’s Dual Pixel technology places two photodiodes side-by-side within a single pixel that can receive light from different angles for phase detection. With all of the sensor’s active pixels working as auto-focusing agents, the GN1 can detect and focus onto a desired still or moving object from every corner in an instant, even in low-light conditions. When capturing images, a single pixel output is created by merging the outputs from the two photodiodes within the pixel. Samsung also provides a software algorithm that takes light information from each photodiode to produce image resolutions comparable to 100Mp.
For ultimate low-light photography, the GN1 adopts Tetracell technology, a pixel-merging technique that improves the pixels’ capacity to capture and process more light. By binning four pixel signals into one, Tetracell doubles the image sensor’s pixel size to 2.4μm and quadruples the light sensitivity to take brighter 12.5Mp photographs. With improved light sensitivity combined with a powerful auto-focusing solution, the GN1 is able to focus on an object quickly even in extreme low-light environment to deliver both brighter and sharper results.
In addition to Dual Pixel and Tetracell technologies, the GN1 comes with Smart-ISO that intelligently selects the optimal ISO, real-time HDR that captures the scene in multiple exposures simultaneously, and gyro-based electronic image stabilization (EIS) that takes sharp images and video even when in motion. For premium video quality, the image sensor supports video recording at up to 8K resolution at 30 frames-per-second (fps)."
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-introduces-1-2μm-50mp-isocell-gn1-with-faster-auto-focusing-and-brighter-images
AND
"Instantly lock in on an area or object and produce sharp images in motion-packed situations. Dual Pixel technology accelerates the speed and boosts the precision of ISOCELL GN1’s autofocus capabilities, making it simpler for users to get clear and crisp pictures. Each pixel in the 50MP image sensor carries two photodiodes, allowing the component to execute ultra-fast autofocus and capture moving objects no matter where they are in the frame. Also, ISOCELL GN1 takes light information from each photodiode to produce a 100MP resolution photograph by a software algorithm."
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/isocell/mobile-image-sensors/isocell-gn1/"
do you think me sending this did anything?
likely a little. but yes it is true that the squeaky wheel gets the oil. if those who don't like it dont speak up then well that is how it will be accepted to be.
whenever google releases the ai bots to build the phone based on what all this feedback should lead them to understand is when you will have a top of the line device built by them... until then they are making budget devices still.
but from my research samsung has locked google out of the software required to complete the upscaling algorithm etc etc. that wasnt in google and samsungs contract or some other bull, becasue it can clearly do it as the manufacture boosts
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Dude I think you just need to buy an DSLR pal lol
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Dude I think you just need to buy an DSLR pal lol
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Or, yall could hold these clearly capable companies, to the quality you expect from them.... And unless you do, & many more, do you think they have incentive to put all we want and need in a single device?:
IRDA current optimized for mobile
Wi-Fi a,b,g,n,ac,ax or current hotspot etc etc
Cellular 1,2,3,4,5G
Bluetooth ...that is current tech
Indestructible
Easily repairable for minimal loss to recycle / replace
Etc
A camera [ ...that is current tech and enough pixels that the other binned method could be used in low light or set to max resolution as in "un-binned" which is not just software. Google please give us a capable, quality, customizable camera (like you did with the Pixel 2), then plenty of options to be able to get the image we desire. ]
Etc
NFC etc
FM radio
AM radio
Fm & AM Transmitter
Built-in compatibility for universal Bluetooth keyboard/mouse HID for universal function without dongle...
I dream too big right.... Least I'm not asking for a clear foldable sheet of plastic that is 30 +yrs from now.
Realistically all this capable hardware could be easily implemented into a single device... Even the psp 1000 had IRDA ...
Like whoever holds these patients preventing this hardware from being given to the consumer, a real device capable of what science has to offer (dream bigger with the device you use everyday, and make it know you'd like a feature like ip68, 1080p, but what about all the rest... Where is the build your own cell phones? ...Some people might not like what weight is required for each component:
Image a Google kiosk where you'd like to upgrade your phone:
1: You use you current phone to pay when you get there with nfc
2. You insert your phone.
3. Select the on screen available components and watch it remove the back and upgrade it with robotic arms as you commit the changes.
4. Spits back out your newly upgraded device, same screen if you didn't choose to replace it etc etc.
https://www.onearmy.earth/project/phonebloks
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Ara
... one that has a magnet in a coil like those flashlights so to charge you shake it..... Come on people let the ai build it test it in the lab then after multiple continued test release the device to manufacturing... The human brains should start pioneering after they correctly test the ai to their knowledge for integrity. Other than how to see the connections upon all the branches of science to one another shouldn't be hard with access to the resources an ai would.
GOOGLE AND ANYONE ELSE: COVID-19 IS OVER: GET BACK TO BEING SERIOUS ABOUT YOUR QUALITY OF WORK. WE ALL DEPEND ON EACH OTHER TO SURVIVE.
The fact is if we really wanted some futuristic technology in our hand, we have to start requesting it, and not buy otherwise.
We have cool stuff now, I'm excited to see what options we will have when I'm old.
Consider these two:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Voyager (Nov 2007)
https://www.samsung.com/us/smartphones/galaxy-z-flip4/ (current)
Great improvement but while looking at current trends doesn't look like much from the Fold3 & 4.
Solomon M said:
Or you all could hold these clearly capable companies to the quality you expect from them.... And unless you do, & many more, do you think they have incentive to put all we want and need in a single device:
IRDA current optimized for mobile
Wi-Fi a,b,g,n,ac,ax or current hotspot etc etc
Cellular 1,2,3,4,5G
Bluetooth ...that is current tech
Indestructible
Easily repairable for minimal loss to recycle / replace
Etc
A camera [ ...that is current tech and enough pixels that the other binned method could be used in low light or set to max resolution as in "un-binned" which is not just software. Google please give us a real camera, then plenty of options to be able to get the image we desire. ]
Etc
FM radio
AM radio
Fm & AM Transmitter
Bluetooth keyboard HID built-in for universal keyboard function...
I dream too big right.... Least I'm not asking for a clear foldable sheet of plastic that is 30 +yrs from now.
Realistically all this capable hardware could be easily implemented into a single device... Even the psp 1000 had IRDA ...
Like whoever holds these patients preventing this hardware form being given to the consumer, a real device .. one that has a magnet in a coil like those flashlights so to charge you shake it..... Come on people let the ai build it test it in the lab then after multiple continued test release the device to manufacturing... The human brains should start pioneering after they correctly test the ai to their knowledge for integrity. Other than how to see the connections upon all the branches of science to one another shouldn't be hard with access to the resources a ai would.
GOOGLE AND ANYONE ELSE: COVID-19 IS OVER GET BACK TO BEING SERIOUS ABOUT YOUR JOB. WE ALL DEPEND ON EACH OTHER TO SURVIVE.
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You never listened to "The Trees" by Rush before. Have you. Like. Heard it? That's possible...but have you listened to it.
That's why.
I have an idea:
People are intelligent enough to constantly do the bare minimum and still get the reward.
Logic says why would they care, since they are still getting the reward if they produce **** or gold.
Solomon M said:
Oh I know what it is:
People are intelligent enough to constantly do the bare minimum and still get the reward.
Logic says why would they care, since they are still getting the reward if they produce **** or gold.
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Don't get me wrong, in a matter of fact:
"Google is my favorite company."
"If Google made each device like the Pixel 2: I would save for it every year, attempt to purchase it, and be excited for it."
--to do this would be a total waste of resources and time, unless they make the parts then cover them in a nanofilm to protect from water --all the internal components, then manufacture those parts to be easily changed and upgraded, But then also actively want them back and expect them back so as to recycle and then reuse the clearly not yet broken parts.... Idk just seems like to me there could be a cycle instead of a line.
rav101 said:
Hi all,
This may be in the too soon to tell or no one knows category of question but "Does anyone know if there will be GCam mods on the Pixel 6Pro GCam to further improve it's capabilities like is the case with the ports to other phones?"
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What I have found is the gcam modded APK here:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-MWP/
I use the beta 3 app because the beta 4 & 5 keep crashing.
Then I set a bunch of custom stuff in the settings to output an average file size of 7.5mb compared to the stock 1.9mb .
I also specifically did not diable the Pixel 6 default camera app because the updates are done internal to the app and I believe it benefits the modded Gcam app, but I Turn Off permission to "modify system settings" for the default camera app ...
I have cleared the data on the gcam modded app multiple times but it is worth it.
Here is the config. But I hon know how to import the config [attached file.]
I do not work with these files and do not know if it will work for you. But if not and you'd like more info I could attempt to list out all my changes after a data clear for the beta 3 I use which fixes a bunch AND WITHOUT ROOT.
Use determination and figure out the best settings for yourself... If you're serious about it then figure it out & then you let me (us) know so we can get images we want as well.
Solomon M said:
What I have found is the gcam modded APK here:
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-MWP/
I use the beta 3 app because the beta 4 & 5 keep crashing.
Then I set a bunch of custom stuff in the settings to output an average file size of 7.5mb compared to the stock 1.9mb .
I also specifically did not diable the Pixel 6 default camera app because the updates are done internal to the app and I believe it benefits the modded Gcam app, but I Turn Off permission to "modify system settings" for the default camera app ...
I have cleared the data on the gcam modded app multiple times but it is worth it.
Here is the config. But I hon know how to import the config [attached file.]
I do not work with these files and do not know if it will work for you. But if not and you'd like more info I could attempt to list out all my changes after a data clear for the beta 3 I use which fixes a bunch AND WITHOUT ROOT.
Use determination and figure out the best settings for yourself... If you're serious about it then figure it out & then you let me (us) know so we can get images we want as well.
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I can't install it to the .xml, could you send screenshots of your configuration. Thank you very much!
EDIT> there I could thank you!
nicobonavento said:
I can't install it to the .xml, could you send screenshots of your configuration. Thank you very much!
EDIT> there I could thank you!
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Yeah sure, here is images of settings and etc.
Hope this helps.
This isn't the best, likely. I am still toying with it to find what I find works best for me.
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Okay, I've been experimenting for months, and these are by far the best setting I've come up with. I'm now doing professional work with this phone, and when it comes to wide-angle images, my editors often prefer the Pixel 6 Pro photos to similar shots taken with a DSLR. (I don't tell them which is which.) The fact is that very few wide-angle lenses on a conventional camera — even the most expensive — can compete with a phone when it comes to distortion, edge sharpness, etc.
AGM G2 Guardian5G Unlocked Rugged Smartphone | Thermal Monocular Long Detection Range: 500m/yd
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Main Features
* Qualcomm QCM6490
* Long Range Thermal Monocular
* 6.58' FHD+ 120Hz Display
* 108MP Rear Camera
* 7000 mAh Battery
* Waterproof, shock and dust proof. Certified IP68/IP69K/MIL-STD-810H
* 109dB Loud Speaker
* 8/12GB + 256GB Storage
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5G
Band: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n28, n41, n66,n71, n77, n78,n79
NSA: Support, Option 3x/3a
SA: Support, Option 2
MIMO: n1/n2/n3/n7/n66/n77/n78/n79 Four Downstream, Single Upstream, n41 Four Downstream, Dual Upstream
SRS
SA SRS: n41:2T4R，n77/n78/n79：1T4R NSA SRS：n41/n77/n78/n79 1T4R
HPUE: n41/n78/N79： Total Power 26dBm
EN_DC
CA
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ChipsetChipset: Qualcomm QCM6490
CPU: Kryo 670
GPU: Adreno 643
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StorageCapacity: UFS2.2, 8G+256G & 12G+256G
Expandable Storage (TF Card):Support , 512G
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ScreenSize: 6.58'
Resolution: FHD+
Refreshing Rate: 120HZ
Cameras
Pixels
108MP Rear Camera
20MP Infrared night vision Camera
2MP Macro Camera
256*192 Thermal Camera (10mm lens)
sensor: TBD
Flashlight: Support
Front Camera
Pixels: 32M
sensor
Sound
MIC: Dual-mic
PA: 3.5W Speaker
Stereo: Not Support
Motor: Support
Speaker Effect: Default algorithm
Headphone Effect: No
Speaker: AGM Iconic Speaker
Direction: Back
WLAN agreement: 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax
Battery
capacity: 7000mAh
installation method: built-in
Fast Charging: Support, 18W
Dock Charging: Support
Durability requirements
Operating temperature: -20°C~60°C
Degree of protection: IP68/IP69K/810H
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I pre-ordered the G2 Guardian and received it 4 days ago. I charged it to 100% when I received it and have not since charged it again...4 entire days of pretty heavy usage, still I have 30% battery. Just about to fill the MicroSD up with music. Hopefully by the time it's fully charged again my battery usage metrics will be calibrated and I can work on some proper usage figures for everyone.
Why did I make this purchase/ My use case:
I work in forestry in Northern Australia. It's sweaty as hell, storms develop quickly and whatever I use will get wet multiple times per week through one or the other. Overall I look after my gear with great care, but some things are unavoidable: water, dust, plant matter slowly filling all of my pockets and getting into my gear through whatever orifice is available. Much like Eels, it finds an entrance where it can. I spend much of my week smashing around in the undergrowth. Being able to wash my devices periodically is important, good quality port covers are equally important.
Another must-have for me is a battery that won't let me down. If I manage to hike to the furthest point from my vehicle within a given parcel of land then it's a major problem for me if my battery runs out and I lose the GPS track that I am running, or cannot collect the remainder of my data taking a different path back to my vehicle. My time is wasted, my sweat and exertion are wasted and I've got to climb a bunch of 35+ degree slopes back to the car for no gain. For this reason, the company iphone and ipad are in the bin where they belong. Both devices constantly let me down one way or another, neither of them are designed to do what I do, even in a lifeproof case.
To solve these issues, I ran the Ulefone Power Armor 13 for over a year. It was a great device, I customised the hell out of it but eventually I got tired of carrying a 498gram brick in my pocket. At home without a belt, it would pull my pants down. It was JUST fast enough not to annoy me, and I really enjoyed how deeply I had customised it but I became annoyed with how poor the camera could be sometimes, and with just how heavy it was, but moreso how cumbersome the form factor was and how cheap it looked and felt.
In a flash of brilliance, I replaced the Power Armor 13 with a Galaxy Xcover 6 pro. Paid outright for the device, bought a couple of spare batteries and rubber port covers for the 3.5mm and USB-C ports, and patted myself on the back for being the smartest man alive. The extra speed of the Snapdragon 778G was just what I had been looking for, the retention of an IP68 rating even with a replaceable battery and the moderately rugged construction seemed to be more than enough for my workday, and I could much more easily slip this thing into the pocket of my jeans before heading to the bar on the weekend. No more laughter when producing my phone from my pocket, no more having to explain how I could possibly need a half kilogram phone...I just looked like a normal person, with a normal life.
It lasted 2 months. I got caught in a storm, the Xcover 6 pro was in my backpack. That IP rating is not worth the paper it is written on. Not only did it fail spectacularly, I'm pretty sure it almost caught fire doing so. It got indescribably hot to the point that I knew it was absolutely dead. No amount of time spent in bags of rice would resurrect it, and after a last ditch effort trying to dry it out in direct sunlight I could see that constant exposure to heavy sweat during my work had also managed to penetrate whatever miserable water ingress protection it had. There were literal salt crystals falling out from near the battery terminals: this thing had been getting moisture past the rubber gasket whilst in my pocket for the entire 2 months I'd owned it.
At this point, Samsung can go and boil their bums. I had been a militant supporter of their Galaxy Active lineup, simply unable to understand why anyone would choose their regular lineup when the Active line existed. Once they dropped the Active I had to look elsewhere, but I was over the moon to see that they had done an xcover device that wasn't completely and utterly under powered so I caved. Fool me once... they're dead to me, and so is the possibility of me owning a 'normal' phone. It's just not going to work for me.
After drying my tears I set about scouting out a new rugged phone that would meet all of my needs without pulling my pants down. I have also recently had to start doing koala spotting again, and even though we have a $2400 thermal scope available at my office, there is only 1. I can't carry it with me all the time in case somebody else needs it, and to be perfectly honest I've found it pretty inadequate once the sun rises. Once there's sunlight on the trees it's pretty much useless, and having to peer through a monocular makes it dangerous walking through the bush. The hardware specs of the scope are so low that it is ridiculously clunky to use, and it is endlessly refreshing the sensor. I wasn't happy with it, and I always had to drive back and get it, so the presence of a thermal camera on my everyday phone became appealing. Imagine my joy when I got home to find that pre-orders for the AGM G2 guardian were just about to start. BOLD claims in the promo literature, but I decided to roll the dice.
Initial impressions of the AGM G2 Guardian after 4 days:
I had some serious trepidation about this purchase. I know that AGM have been around for 14 years or so, and I have come really close to buying several of their devices over the years. The AGM X3 was right up my alley, but for $1000USD in 2019, it was a much easier choice to grab a second hand S8 Active for a few hundred bucks.
The purchase experience through AGM's official eBay store felt sketchy. They shipped me an AU power adapter on the day I pre-ordered, marking the device as shipped. Once the adapter was delivered my buyer protection started counting down. Honestly, in spite of their constant assurances I felt like I was about to get scammed especially since I got it for such a comparatively low price as a pre-order.
I was also nervous about the price I had paid for a rugged phone made in Shenzen. Even though AGM have always positioned themselves as the premium offering in this space, often choosing absolute top of the line Snapdragon SOC's rather than poxy mediatek chips, and having a European design team for their entire range it still seemed like an awful lot of money given the competition.
As soon as I held the G2 Guardian in my hands the reason for the additional price tag compared with the competition became obvious. Even before I turned it on this thing felt TIGHT. Not a rattle in sight, and whilst the 400 grams is still very heavy for a phone, it carries the weight well and manages to feel extremely high quality, reliable and a little bit sexy all at the same time. I'm not sure how to describe this, because it's only 98 grams lighter than my Power Armor was, but I barely notice this thing in my pocket. It feels great to hold and even though I acknowledge that I am part of a very small and very weird group of customers...I think it looks cool as hell and the ergonomics are great. Everything is where you want it to be including the fingerprint sensor. Every time I pull it out of my pocket, I get that nugget feeling. It feels built to last and extremely high quality.
Once I powered it up and started going through the setup process I really started smiling. The first thing that really brought home that nugget feeling was the quality of the haptic feedback. I assume a decent quality motor combined with just how solid the body of the device is has given a fairly nice result here.
Overall an absolute 10/10 for satisfaction on the physical characteristics of this device.
Chipset
Qualcomm QCM 6490 industrial processor.
2.7Ghz, 8 cores, 6nm process. 5G, Wifi6/6E. 8 or 12GB ram.
There's not much to say here. This thing absolutely flies, and sips battery whilst it's doing it. It's faster than the competing 778G by a decent margin and has far better multithreaded performance. It also destroys even the best Mediatek Dimensity chipsets in competing rugged phones clocking in at just under 600,000 Antutu score in V9. No, it's not as fast as a snapdragon 8 Gen1, but it also won't get overly hot or need a purpose built animation to see your battery empty whilst playing games or doing demanding processing.
Display
120hz refresh rate (though I have to assume it is adaptive given the battery life and lack of manual setup options) and a very tasty 2408x1080 400ppi results in a fast, flowy and vibrant display. Let me be clear, this absolutely bashes the pants off my previous 2 phones, but I have to assume it wouldn't be in the ballpark of the latest S23 or anything like that in terms of image quality. The 120hz display is a massive bonus here, and a great implementation. I've never seen this thing lag or skip. It's a really rewarding user experience that looks and feels great and is always buttery smooth. AGM have not provided customisation options here. There's no ability to lock it to 60hz or change the resolution. Ordinarily I wouldn't be happy with this, but given the battery life and quality of experience it seems like they've dialed it in exactly where it needs to be.
Cameras
The main camera is a 108mp Samsung lens. Obviously this lens is extremely capable of taking good photos. Plenty of depth and colour, and it is extremely fast. Unfortunately the combination of a lack of image stabilization and a very basic camera app implementation lead to a lot of dud photos unless you get lucky with the natural lighting conditions being absolutely perfect. I find myself having to take 5 or 6 photos of the same scene or subject to guarantee 1 good shot. It is really reliable up-close on stationary objects, and in this use-case it seems to thrive, producing consistently good images.
There is work to do here for AGM. At present, this high-quality and perfectly capable lens is going to waste a lot of the time because the camera app is so basic. You can tell that the hardware is infinitely capable, but it is absolutely screaming for a port of GCAM or a LOT of development on their in-house app. I don't think it even has HDR at present and configuration options are extremely limited.
Front camera is a 32mp unit that provides a really smooth video calling experience, quality is good. Not sure how good it is at selfies because selfies are for children.
There's also a 20MP Sony night-vision camera. This works well, and I believe it is activated by choosing 'infrared detect' in the camera app and probably plays some role in the thermal function I guess (?).
Finally, the last 'normal' camera is a 2MP Macro Camera. This works really well for Macro shots but I have to wonder what kind of insanity led to the inclusion of a macro lens rather than a decent wide-angle sensor in an outdoor focused device. 90% of my photos on my last few phones have been taken with the wide-angle sensor and it is going to take some serious getting used to not having one. Obviously I knew this before purchase, but I miss my wide-angle lenses already.
Thermal Module
Here is the big daddy, and obviously the focal point of this device. A 10mm lens paired with 256x192 thermal image resolution and 25hz video resolution.
AGM have knocked this out of the park. With zero exaggeration, this is the best thermal scope I have ever used. I have used devices with higher thermal detector resolution (384 x 288), but even in devices that cost over $2200AUD, these sensors are paired with absolute garbage processing power. This leaves you with a really clunky user experience. These specialist devices are also often plagued with really terrible battery life, and having to hold it up to your eye is downright dangerous given the understory you are more than likely walking through if you have a use for such a device.
Combining a decent sensor and a 10mm lens with the very respectable hardware at the heart of the G2 Guardian eliminates all of the problems inherent to a standalone thermal monocular. They say the best camera is the one you have with you, and this applies double to thermal scopes. To ALWAYS have this thing available in my pocket is a massive advantage.
Thermal Range (Detection Range VS Recognition Range) and performance
I was pretty dubious of the claims made by AGM here. Well, I was wrong. At night, there is a very comfortable recognition range of around 100 to 200 metres depending on the size of the animal, and a detection range (how far out you can actually identify a heat signature is present) well over 500 metres, again, depending on the size of the object.
The thermal app interface is fast and responsive, and there is an entire galaxy of configuration options including the ability to set up your own custom thermal ribbon colour modes to suit your use. The timelapse function will be awesome for monitoring wildlife, and the analysis tools are crazy good. Both auto-focus and manual focus modes are brilliant, and I find myself wishing they had put a similar amount of effort into the main camera app.
Temperature measurement range is disappointing in the Guardian variant which I believe is only capable of 0C to 150C with accuracy. I believe this was a necessary compromise to allow such an amazing long range thermal camera experience. The G2 Pro variant does not have such impressive long-range thermal capability, but has accurate temperature measurement between -20C to 550C. This was an easy choice for me, it's far more useful for me to be able to detect an animal or heat signature at long range, than to tell the exact temperature of that object up close.
I have had a FLIR sensor previously on the very first CAT phone, and it was not even in the same universe of what the G2 Guardian is capable of. Hands down, this is the best bit of thermal gear I've ever used and I have access to several very expensive standalone units - the implementation on the G2 Guardian is genuinely impressive. They have made the jump from what is a cool gimmick on most phones, to a genuine work or hunting tool. I am blown away here.
The most impressive feature of the thermal experience is how well it works in daylight conditions. Many extremely expensive scopes are completely useless in daylight. As soon as sunlight starts to hit tree trunks, it's time to give up and go home. I'm not exactly sure how AGM have overcome this challenge, and obviously it will always work better at night or in the early morning, but even at 10am in full sun I have been able to ID animals very easily.
Firmware and customization potential
The Android implementation here is completely and utterly bloat free. The only non-google apps AGM have installed is their camera app, their thermal camera app and the AGM service app, where you can input the particulars of your device and purchase date, and submit a help or service request. There is also a third party launcher, but I never touched it - I installed Lynx launcher from my google backup before I even made it to the homescreen...i know what I like at this point.
The remainder of the UI experience is practically untouched, sharing most similarities to the latest Pixel devices including some of the fancier features including the ability to screenshot beyond the current display area of a web site, the juicy larger sized quick settings menu, extra dim mode, bedtime routines etc etc. There are extra settings menus present for the user defined key (though very basic, can't even set a vibration
I have to commend AGM here for providing such a beautiful stock android experience and not going ham with some janky over zealous skin.
Whilst I have not unlocked the bootloader or rooted this device, I have verified that flicking the OEM Unlocking switch in developer options does have the desired result, and that you are able to gain access to the bootloader via ADB reboot bootloader. This is good news for the future, with many devices from mainstream manufacturers now shipping without even the ability to access the bootloader.
It seems like there is potential here, but at present I do not have a reason to proceed any further down this path. Time will tell how well AGM support these devices long term with incremental updates but so far all they have promised is that they will provide regular Android security updates, and that their camera and thermal apps will be developed on an ongoing basis. I would not be surprised if we never see Android 13 or 14 here, but I could be wrong.
It would be a massive roll of the dice to flash a GSI or custom rom here given the amount of device specific, niche hardware. In all likelyhood, unless AGM decide to expend the resources to support this type of development in-house (and why would they?), any attempt to install a non-factory rom will result in the loss of your thermal camera, infrared camera and probably the sick flashlight as well.
At some point in the future I may attempt to root this phone but for now most of the reasons I have for doing so have already been solved in-house.
The battery optimisation and power management is absolutely killer and unobtrusive, giving an outstanding result for daily use. All of the bluetooth codecs you could possibly want are there including APT-X, APT-X HD, LDAC, AAC - so i've no need to force these in via magisk modules.
Activating the amazingly handy 100 lumen flashlight on the top of the phone via hardware key on the side is a default feature...this is one of the big reasons I usually root my phones. If they would add haptic feedback when it's activated, I'm happy and probably won't root at all.
Connectivity
3G and 4G signal reception on this device is better than anything I've owned previously. I was sweating bullets about VoLTE and VoWifi working on this out of the box because I have been completely reliant on wifi calling at home on all my other phones, which generally only manage 1 bar of cellular signal at best.
The great news is that VoLTE and VoWifi did work immediately out of the box, but given that I now have consistently better coverage with the G2 I'm less reliant on it. When it does kick in, it seems to do so seamlessly. All I could really ask for here is clear visible delineation between Wifi calls and HD voice/ VoLTE calls.
Wifi reception is also very good with very little degradation even at considerable distance from my router. Unfortunately I do not have access to 5G or Wifi6 to truly test it. On the previous 5ghz wifi standard it is easily able to hand me the full capacity of my starlink connection. Overall I feel like they really prioritized antenna location and design in this device. All of the other features are cool, but first and foremost this is a GREAT phone.
Tiny touches
AGM G2 Guardian is one of those cases where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I assumed the 3.5watt speaker on the rear would be a gimmick...wow. This little speaker is worth its bulge. It's loud, clear and gives even the simple act of unlocking the device some serious presence. For podcast listening when I'm out in the shed or out in the bush and don't want to risk headphones masking the early warning signs of any slithery surprises it is absolutely fantastic. For music, I own several small bluetooth speakers that do not have this quality or volume. They have tuned the output in such a way that even at max volume there is no distortion, it's just loud and clear. I thought being on the rear of the device would be a disadvantage but they've overcome this with pure power.
The torch is one of my favourite features. I'm a total torch nerd but this is one less thing that I have to worry about having on my person, and the output is more than enough for most simple tasks at night. To have this with me at all times is a huge boon, and it is a million times better than even the brightest LED flash style flashlight on most phones, and emits from the top so is much more usable.
Bluetooth implementation here is INCREDIBLE. Stability of all bluetooth codecs has been fantastic, with no skipping and fantastic range. Even on my tiny earbuds, I am able to walk to the other end of my house with no skips or disconnects. This is about 25 metres. For comparison, my xcover 6 pro would constantly skip just from facing the wrong way in my pocket, and would give me about 10 metres unobstructed in the house. That's some serious power from the AGM, and decent thought put in to location of the antennas.
Best of all, when connecting any bluetooth audio device, a quick popup appears to inform you which codec is active! This is such a great little touch that saves me jumping through 3 layers of developer options to ensure that I am actually using the codec I want when my headphones connect.
A labour of love
In one of their recent long-form videos on youtube, an AGM representative claims the Bill of Materials cost for parts and labour to bring the G2 Guardian to completion is $740USD owing mainly to the expense of the thermal module.
If this is true, this leaves AGM with a very slim profit margin on this device. It seems their motivation here is purely to grow their brand, get more AGM devices into the hands of users in this small segment of the market and really make a great device to be proud of. You can feel it.
If you have ever considered a rugged device, or are sick of destroying your expensive mainstream ones this may well be the halo product you have been waiting for. The attention to detail here is hard to put into words until you've used one for a few days.
Concerns
-Even the large RAM X-Grip can only just hold this device in a vehicle owing to the bulge on the rear. It is secure in there, but only just. If AGM were to release a purpose built vehicle mount for these, I'd absolutely buy one.
-AGM Specs on their website still claim 10W wireless charging even now. It appears that either A) this is a lie B) it uses some non-standard wireless charging standard or C) They are claiming their dock accessory as wireless charging which I suppose would technically be true...but I have not yet received my dock and seems a bit disingenuous
It turns out there is wireless charging present, it's just very difficult getting it to pick up given the shape of the rear and the thickness of the case. Presently charging at 10W after some very careful balancing. I eagerly await the charging dock!
-Thermal module is fairly exposed and picks up every smudge imagineable. This does not impact use, and I do not have any scratches yet. AGM claim hardness of this glass is very high, but I can't think of a way to protect this lens when it is not in use.
-Main camera software needs some help. As detailed previously, you can get great photos out of this hardware combo, but it doesn't happen often enough. Maybe the in-house team can pull something together, but I can't help but think it would be a better outcome to get a port of GCAM running well, and enjoy all of the software processing and HDR trickery that comes with it. I may start having a mess around here myself.
That's about it. 99% of people won't read my wall of text, but for those seriously considering this purchase I hope this goes some way to helping you make your decision.
I have used rugged devices from every major player in this space. This is by far the best experience I've had with any of them. This phone absolutely slaps.
Camera samples attached with some compression from google photos.
Daylight closeup outdoors under cover
Daylight outdoors closeup subject
Daylight indoors close-up
Daylight sneaking distance, medium size eastern grey kangaroo
Outdoors 9am daylight photography sample
Night. Termite mound in foreground. Cow approx 60m away
Night. Small kangaroo @ 70-75m
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Alright I'm off to the races.
Shamim's Gcam port opens and appears to take photos, doesn't lag. It's night here right now, but this is where I will be starting my customisation journey.
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Have you got the gcam port working? And if so how is image quality?
davecotefilm said:
Have you got the gcam port working? And if so how is image quality?
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Yes it's working and very stable with both main camera and front camera stills + video all good.
Image quality is great but I need to figure out how to make a config file for this device, never done one before. HDR is a little too extreme on both HDR modes.
I'll put a couple of comparison images together over the weekend. That link I posted is a great base to start building from, and stability seems to be zero issues so this is already a win.
I did some up-close shots and GCAM really made them pop. Landscape stuff looking a little alien with HDR effect at present.
Anyone got a good resource for getting started with GCAM config? Seems like the hardware is fully compatible with this build so shouldn't be too many barriers.
Okay yes I'm thinking this will be my next phone :-D Just need price to drop a bit!
bandario said:
Yes it's working and very stable with both main camera and front camera stills + video all good.
Image quality is great but I need to figure out how to make a config file for this device, never done one before. HDR is a little too extreme on both HDR modes.
I'll put a couple of comparison images together over the weekend. That link I posted is a great base to start building from, and stability seems to be zero issues so this is already a win.
I did some up-close shots and GCAM really made them pop. Landscape stuff looking a little alien with HDR effect at present.
Anyone got a good resource for getting started with GCAM config? Seems like the hardware is fully compatible with this build so shouldn't be too many barriers.
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I'll try to get into the configs, but does gcam give it any image stabilization?
bandario said:
Yes it's working and very stable with both main camera and front camera stills + video all good.
Image quality is great but I need to figure out how to make a config file for this device, never done one before. HDR is a little too extreme on both HDR modes.
I'll put a couple of comparison images together over the weekend. That link I posted is a great base to start building from, and stability seems to be zero issues so this is already a win.
I did some up-close shots and GCAM really made them pop. Landscape stuff looking a little alien with HDR effect at present.
Anyone got a good resource for getting started with GCAM config? Seems like the hardware is fully compatible with this build so shouldn't be too many barriers.
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Okay awesome, I'll get it as my next device and follow this thread I suggest contacting the dev from the gcam link, he can help with configs if he can ask you for files etc. Then once built just attach the apk here!
I installed "SGCAM_8.7.250.XX.44_STABLE_V5_ENG_PACKAGE" on G2 Guardian and it is working fine on the main camera and the front camera and has software based image stabilization option. However, I don't see any option for Night vision and macro cameras. May be proper config is required.
bandario said:
Yes it's working and very stable with both main camera and front camera stills + video all good.
Image quality is great but I need to figure out how to make a config file for this device, never done one before. HDR is a little too extreme on both HDR modes.
I'll put a couple of comparison images together over the weekend. That link I posted is a great base to start building from, and stability seems to be zero issues so this is already a win.
I did some up-close shots and GCAM really made them pop. Landscape stuff looking a little alien with HDR effect at present.
Anyone got a good resource for getting started with GCAM config? Seems like the hardware is fully compatible with this build so shouldn't be too many barriers.
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Thank you for the review and mentioning of GCAM software. I installed it and It has many more options then the stock AGM G2 Guardian app. Thanks
vicki20july said:
I installed "SGCAM_8.7.250.XX.44_STABLE_V5_ENG_PACKAGE" on G2 Guardian and it is working fine on the main camera and the front camera and has software based image stabilization option. However, I don't see any option for Night vision and macro cameras. May be proper config is required.
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You never will. It's a small miracle that it works out of the box with main and front cam for stills and video. To get any other lens involved would require huge input from AGM on a non-sanctioned project messing with google code. It won't happen. I'm just grateful they used standard enough hardware calls that we can build from a stable base on main cam.
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I'll try to get into the configs, but does gcam give it any image stabilization?
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Yes, AI image stabilisation standard to GCAM. To be honest I actively avoid phones with hardware OIS because vibrations when mounted to my motorbike kill the mechanism leaving me with a dead camera. I'm super happy to have GCAM fake OIS.
Thinks you for all this informations about agm guardian, I want to buy from ebay agm store, I want to ask you about zoom quality of the main camera? Can you post image and videos with zoom at least x8 or x10
samienemy said:
Thinks you for all this informations about agm guardian, I want to buy from ebay agm store, I want to ask you about zoom quality of the main camera? Can you post image and videos with zoom at least x8 or x10
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It does not have a telephoto lens. Max zoom is 8X and it looks as bad as you imagine. If this feature is important to you, buy something with a telephoto lens.
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It cost over 1200$ I will wait for less price
samienemy said:
It cost over 1200$ I will wait for less price
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$859USD on Ebay. AGM web shop is wild, changes price if you view it multiple times getting more expensive every time.
bandario said:
It does not have a telephoto lens. Max zoom is 8X and it looks as bad as you imagine. If this feature is important to you, buy something with a telephoto len
bandario said:
It does not have a telephoto lens. Max zoom is 8X and it looks as bad as you imagine. If this feature is important to you, buy something with a telephoto lens.
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There is an option in SGCAM to increase zoom capability. I am able to get it working up to around 35x
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To what end? At 8X it already looks like a psychedelic cartoon.