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[Q] 1+1 or ZF2

I am sitting here wondering if I should upgrade from the 1+1 to the rumored 128GB ZF2 when it releases.
Couple of questions though,
How is using a 128GB SDXC in the phone to those that use one?
Is the camera really THAT bad?
While I know that the bootloader is currently locked and nothing in the pipeline, so far, to show that it is going to even get CM when it does release. What is the stock rom like sans ASUS apps?
Given the history of ASUS flash in the Transformer models and the Nexus, does it seem like this one is going to have similar issues or have they solved that too with this phone?
Did anyone actually come from a 1+1 by chance? What are you thoughts in comparison to it and the ZF2.
Cheers

pyrocide said:
I am sitting here wondering if I should upgrade from the 1+1 to the rumored 128GB ZF2 when it releases.
Couple of questions though,
How is using a 128GB SDXC in the phone to those that use one?
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I have a 32GB mSD in my ZF2 and it works fine. What issues are you concerned about? Mine is currently full of music and no problems.
pyrocide said:
Is the camera really THAT bad?
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Camera works fine. It's better than the camera I have on the OPO when I first got that phone. I prefer the camera on the ZF2 at the moment for auto shots than my OPO with ColorOS and tweaks.
pyrocide said:
While I know that the bootloader is currently locked and nothing in the pipeline, so far, to show that it is going to even get CM when it does release. What is the stock rom like sans ASUS apps?
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I think the stock Asus apps are a decent alternative if you want to stay away from Google apps for the most part. They do however seem redundant if you do use Google apps and services to some degree. There are some apps that are useless for the most part and should be uninstalled or disabled. I'm on a pre-rooted image and have some disabled but not all of them and my ram usage and performance are fine. Typically about 1GB of ram usage maybe 1.5GB. That's with over half still enabled and installed.
pyrocide said:
Given the history of ASUS flash in the Transformer models and the Nexus, does it seem like this one is going to have similar issues or have they solved that too with this phone?
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. All companies have horrible track records in my experience to a degree. Some are just better than others at this stretch of time or are new. No clue how Asus tablet/laptop will translate into phones. This will likely be the most popular mobile device they have ever had imo.
pyrocide said:
Did anyone actually come from a 1+1 by chance? What are you thoughts in comparison to it and the ZF2.
Cheers
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I own two OPO 64GB SS Blacks and a ZE551ML 64GB/4GB ZF2. OPO's are running CM12.1 nightlies and the other is on CM12S. My ZF2 is faster than my OPO phones on WiFi and installing in general. Data rates on TMO and ATT MVNO's (Cricket/Net10/TMO) also bench faster than the OPO's in my area. Gaming is another area where it just demolishes everything. I've put it up against multiple G3's a Nexus 4/5 (own a 4 still) an S6 Edge. If you do any sort of gaming on a mobile device this appears to be the cream of the crop so far. I'm still playing around with a bunch of emulators that folks have mentioned here on the forums. That seems to be hit or miss atm but should improve since most of it is ARM.

I was specially talking about the 128GB micro sdxc card in the slot. Any performance degradation?
I hated ColorOS and wasn't to fond of the progress that CM11s was making with the issues it had like battery drain and WiFi issues. I put CM11 then 12 and hadn't had any problems. Got any photos you can share using opo and zf2 in comparison?
I like slim ROMs. Minimal crapware installed and least amount of apps running and prefer Google apps over proprietary. Id be interested in seeing performance difference, especially battery, from fat stock to slim stock.
IIRC, the reason i didn't buy one, the flash storage on the android transformer was riddled with issues and slowed down drastically after prolonged use. I just hope its not the same here.
I game, a lot, on the OPO. Many are emulators too, epsxe specifically (FF7 & 9). Reason I bought it was for the ram and gaming benchmarks as well as the price was just crazy for the specs. I unfortunately got the yellow band on mine and since OPO support that is nonexistent, it kind of left a bad taste and steering me away from the OP2.
I really like the specs but it had been my experience that the stock ROMs that come on any phone that I have owned all sucked and had to be flashed to become worth its weight.

I am running a 128 gb sd without any problems

pyrocide said:
I was specially talking about the 128GB micro sdxc card in the slot. Any performance degradation?
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Ok, I misunderstood then. I don't have a 128GB mSD to try just 32GB or under laying around my house.
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I hated ColorOS and wasn't to fond of the progress that CM11s was making with the issues it had like battery drain and WiFi issues. I put CM11 then 12 and hadn't had any problems. Got any photos you can share using opo and zf2 in comparison?
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I tried ColorOS briefly but couldn't stick with it. I did however use the ColorOS Camera port to the OPO which seemed to improve things to a degree with the camera. Sorry I wasn't more specific.
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I like slim ROMs. Minimal crapware installed and least amount of apps running and prefer Google apps over proprietary. Id be interested in seeing performance difference, especially battery, from fat stock to slim stock.
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I generally lean towards ROMs like you describe. Nexus 4 favorite was Dirty Unicorns or SlimKat with Franco or some other kernel (boeffla? can't recall). I still prefer them to any Lollipop base I've run across. It might change in the future who knows.
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IIRC, the reason i didn't buy one, the flash storage on the android transformer was riddled with issues and slowed down drastically after prolonged use. I just hope its not the same here.
I game, a lot, on the OPO. Many are emulators too, epsxe specifically (FF7 & 9). Reason I bought it was for the ram and gaming benchmarks as well as the price was just crazy for the specs. I unfortunately got the yellow band on mine and since OPO support that is nonexistent, it kind of left a bad taste and steering me away from the OP2.
I really like the specs but it had been my experience that the stock ROMs that come on any phone that I have owned all sucked and had to be flashed to become worth its weight.
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I don't have prior experience with Asus products besides motherboards and other products for desktop PC or routers specifically. Routers like the N56U and 66U were one of the best routers you could have (I own multiple). Gaming is top notch on this phone. I'm not kidding when I say this thing handles better than even the most expensive Samsungs out today. Agree with you on stock experiences. This phone has pre-rooted images you can flash. Uninstall or disable anything you want. Custom ROM wise it won't be as fast as other communities because like the OPO which shares hardware with the G3 and many others there just isn't the like here. It would also help if Asus gets the sources out and makes sure we're unlocked .

Short response... If you are going for a OPO, you're going for a device that is over an year old! On the contrary Zenfone was released just a few months back.
There are many things you lose by purchasing an older device, which I am sure you have common sense to understand.

I switched from OPO mainly because I had the digitizer issues with touchscreen and OPO had tendency to heat up and throttle a lot and the heat would exacerbate the touch response issues.
If you're happy with your OPO and have no issues with it, why not wait to see what's released in fall with new Nexus phones before upgrading?

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Short response... If you are going for a OPO, you're going for a device that is over an year old! On the contrary Zenfone was released just a few months back.
There are many things you lose by purchasing an older device, which I am sure you have common sense to understand.
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I already have the OPO

pyrocide said:
I already have the OPO
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If you play mobile games or emulators then there would be an improvement over the OPO. If you don't then I would wait it out and see what gets released by this fall. It definitely games better than my OPO. G3 would be a sidegrade/upgrade even though it's near identical to an OPO. Screen is better has mSD support looks better and the camera is nice. I've seen plenty of nused G3's in the 300 range.

[Q] can't decided to get g4 or nexus 6 (verizon). help me decide :)

Hey all. I'm on verizon. currently own a iphone 6 plus. the phone is ok but i HATE HATE HATE how it only has 1 gb of ram and that when i multitask, it has to reopen and or refresh apps all the time. i cant have more than 2 tabs in safari without one of them having to refresh. same with apps that i just opened. i hate it.
late last year, i did own a nexus 5 before the iphone 6 plus. i was on straight talk with but ATT where i live is HORRIBLE so just went back on my families family plan. being that the nexus 5 does not work on verizon i sold it and got the iphone 6 plus. i would have went with the nexus 6 but was not out until a month after the 6.
anyway, i can't decided if i should go nexus 6 or LG G4. my bud has a nexus 6 and he let me mess without for a while yesterday and i really like it. just like the nexus 5. love stock android. love having bootloader unlocked and root and having system images to the latest version of android. he was running liquid smooth rom (5.1.1) and it was really fast and nice. the only thing i dont really like about it is that the phone is a little wider than my iphone 6 plus and that phone is already wide to begin with. i know these phones are not really meant for one hand use but i want to at least be able to reply to a text message with one hand. so not sure about that part. also worried about the battery life with it. dont like that i can't get 64 gig version on verizon. also no micro sd slot and being that im a tech nerd. i HATE buying older tech products. nexus has been out for about 6 months or more know, it does have a 805 chip while the G4 has the 6 core 808 chip and much better camera. but going with the G4, i get a plastic phone, probably wont see its bootloader ever unlocked. and i hate skinned android. How long did it take for the verizon LG G3 to get root? as long as i have root so i can uninstall bloat apps ill be fine. plus i like how the G4 is closer to the same size as the 6 plus i have rather than the huge 6" size the nexus 6 is.
TLR
have a 6 plus. hate that it has 1gb ram and has to reload every app when multitasking. cant decided if i should go with the 6 month old nexus 6, or get the LG G4. i want root, good battery life, fast performance, good camera,

Valkyrie743 said:
Hey all. I'm on verizon. currently own a iphone 6 plus. the phone is ok but i HATE HATE HATE how it only has 1 gb of ram and that when i multitask, it has to reopen and or refresh apps all the time. i cant have more than 2 tabs in safari without one of them having to refresh. same with apps that i just opened. i hate it.
late last year, i did own a nexus 5 before the iphone 6 plus. i was on straight talk with but ATT where i live is HORRIBLE so just went back on my families family plan. being that the nexus 5 does not work on verizon i sold it and got the iphone 6 plus. i would have went with the nexus 6 but was not out until a month after the 6.
anyway, i can't decided if i should go nexus 6 or LG G4. my bud has a nexus 6 and he let me mess without for a while yesterday and i really like it. just like the nexus 5. love stock android. love having bootloader unlocked and root and having system images to the latest version of android. he was running liquid smooth rom (5.1.1) and it was really fast and nice. the only thing i dont really like about it is that the phone is a little wider than my iphone 6 plus and that phone is already wide to begin with. i know these phones are not really meant for one hand use but i want to at least be able to reply to a text message with one hand. so not sure about that part. also worried about the battery life with it. dont like that i can't get 64 gig version on verizon. also no micro sd slot and being that im a tech nerd. i HATE buying older tech products. nexus has been out for about 6 months or more know, it does have a 805 chip while the G4 has the 6 core 808 chip and much better camera. but going with the G4, i get a plastic phone, probably wont see its bootloader ever unlocked. and i hate skinned android. How long did it take for the verizon LG G3 to get root? as long as i have root so i can uninstall bloat apps ill be fine. plus i like how the G4 is closer to the same size as the 6 plus i have rather than the huge 6" size the nexus 6 is.
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have a 6 plus. hate that it has 1gb ram and has to reload every app when multitasking. cant decided if i should go with the 6 month old nexus 6, or get the LG G4. i want root, good battery life, fast performance, good camera,
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I was in the same boat, I got the G4
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Dennisg34 said:
I was in the same boat, I got the G4
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how do you like it? hows the battery life? the feel of the phone? is it old samsung plastic feel or is it a decent thick plastic feel? (know that sounds weird but some plastic phones feel like cheap while others feel fine) how is the multitasking? does it have the memory leak issue like the S6 has? example in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUw9PUlFUF0&feature=youtu.be
i wish it had 5.1.1, which fixed all the memory leaks

Valkyrie743 said:
how do you like it? hows the battery life? the feel of the phone? is it old samsung plastic feel or is it a decent thick plastic feel? (know that sounds weird but some plastic phones feel like cheap while others feel fine) how is the multitasking? does it have the memory leak issue like the S6 has? example in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUw9PUlFUF0&feature=youtu.be
i wish it had 5.1.1, which fixed all the memory leaks
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I can let ya know tomorrow! That's when it comes in
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I got my G4 last Thursday, and I love it. I like the same things most people are liking...but if youre trying to decide Ill tell you this: once you experience knock-on/knock-off you wont want another phone without it Mine is leather backed, and its comfortable.

The leather version G4 is going to be one of the nicest looking phone you ever had. (ironically the plastic version looks the poorest/most normal among all the flagship smartphones out there imo)
But not too sure about the durability of the leather though.

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The leather version G4 is going to be one of the nicest looking phone you ever had. (ironically the plastic version looks the poorest/most normal among all the flagship smartphones out there imo)
But not too sure about the durability of the leather though.
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the black leather version looks nice but im not really a fan of the itching down the middle tomorrow im going to call my local verizon store and see if they have any working display units before the street date so i can play with it and see how it is. hopefully they have one on display before this Thursdays release. i have tomorrow.

I get mine Tuesday, I loved my g3 then switched to the nexus 6 when I got my upgrade, wasn't a fan of the s6 edge. The nexus 6 is a very solid phone, I have mine rooted with aosip rom from droyd running zen kernel. Battery has been amazing using this combination, speed is silky smooth, and volume is loud! I love a loud speaker that's why I'm going to try the g4. The g3 with sound hack has been one of the loudest phones I've had. I can speak up on the g4 Tuesday but since there's no root yet I can only give details on the stock experience. You have 14 days to return the phone so I say try both and see what suits you. I was lucky enough to have my wife's upgrade as soon as the g4 was released so I have both. :good:

diaztradeinc said:
I get mine Tuesday, I loved my g3 then switched to the nexus 6 when I got my upgrade, wasn't a fan of the s6 edge. The nexus 6 is a very solid phone, I have mine rooted with aosip rom from droyd running zen kernel. Battery has been amazing using this combination, speed is silky smooth, and volume is loud! I love a loud speaker that's why I'm going to try the g4. The g3 with sound hack has been one of the loudest phones I've had. I can speak up on the g4 Tuesday but since there's no root yet I can only give details on the stock experience. You have 14 days to return the phone so I say try both and see what suits you. I was lucky enough to have my wife's upgrade as soon as the g4 was released so I have both. :good:
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i really like the nexus 6. from the time playing with my buds, im pretty sure ill get that. I just dont like buying tech things (computer parts or phones) that have been on the market to long. i know the next nexus is rumored to not come out till this coming October, but being how the G4 has the 808 chip and a better camera. the thing that's making me indecisive is the G4 having a skin over android as well as the risk of not having root and or custom recoveries.
how long did it take for the G3 to have root?

To also sum this up, it also depends on what your needs are. If you want primarily a gaming and heavy-CPU use phone, as well as lots of development (now) the N6 might be better off. If you like lots of gadgets and a great camera, the G4 is for you.

I had the Nexus 6 abs and I decided to go with the G4 and I'm loving it!

I have had my note 4 since it came out, my G4 is sitting here almost ready to go back, I had the G2 and G3, all notes so far. I really wanted to like the G4 better than the note.
I got the S6 edge, but returned it (not as good as the note 4).
G4 vs Note 4 = note 4 is rooted and I am running Dynamic Pop, or CM12.1 depending.
Performance and benchmarks
The note 4 Antutu is 50,000 to 52,000 the G4 is 48,000 to 50,000, G4 gets hung up easy on some tasks, both are about as fluid on easy stuff.
Screen, the Note 4 is at leaast twice as bright, much easier to read indoor and out doors and have MUCH better viewing angles, like a printed page vs a lcd screen. The G4 just looks dull, and you have to wait for the back light to turn up so you can see anything, not a biggie, but its a flagship phone?
Download speed, again for some reason the note 4 seems to do much better, same area same time seems to be getting in the 30 or 40 Mg down, and the G4 stays around 14 or 20.
Leather, the G4 is way better than the note 4 fake leather.
Size for almost the same size the note 4 has much more usable screen.
Battery, note 4 at least a few more hours...
I guess I have to send it back, why get a newer, slower, dimmer, slower downloading phone?

chakra said:
I have had my note 4 since it came out, my G4 is sitting here almost ready to go back, I had the G2 and G3, all notes so far. I really wanted to like the G4 better than the note.
I got the S6 edge, but returned it (not as good as the note 4).
G4 vs Note 4 = note 4 is rooted and I am running Dynamic Pop, or CM12.1 depending.
Performance and benchmarks
The note 4 Antutu is 50,000 to 52,000 the G4 is 48,000 to 50,000, G4 gets hung up easy on some tasks, both are about as fluid on easy stuff.
Screen, the Note 4 is at leaast twice as bright, much easier to read indoor and out doors and have MUCH better viewing angles, like a printed page vs a lcd screen. The G4 just looks dull, and you have to wait for the back light to turn up so you can see anything, not a biggie, but its a flagship phone?
Download speed, again for some reason the note 4 seems to do much better, same area same time seems to be getting in the 30 or 40 Mg down, and the G4 stays around 14 or 20.
Leather, the G4 is way better than the note 4 fake leather.
Size for almost the same size the note 4 has much more usable screen.
Battery, note 4 at least a few more hours...
I guess I have to send it back, why get a newer, slower, dimmer, slower downloading phone?
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This is for Verizon. You wouldn't be running a CM ROM on Verizon since the BL is locked.
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I had the ip6 then got the nexus 6 as its a great phone well built also got the the Samsung s6 edge which is great for everyday use but when I'm at home I grab my nexus.
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Way better LG G4
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Disappointed by the LG Nexus 5X specs and price ... is the LG G4 still worth buying?

As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?

theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?
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This decision is really up to what features you find value in. I love my G4 and you would have to decide if you want a phone that has removable battery and expandable storage to say have fingerprint scanner and the latest OS. These phones are different in a lot of ways.
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I picked up the G4 the day it came out,so I've had a good few months with it. Definitely no regrets. Coming from Samsung, it's a much less intrusive version of Android..... Than say... Touchwizz. It could benefit from extra features for battery saving mode like on the Sony or SAMSUNG, but it easily lasts me a day.
One of the best cameras, used it on my recent trip Italy, if you are into photography... You can have a lot of fun.
With every phone you will find +/-, but sure you can probably get a good deal on aG4, making it a real phone to consider.
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theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?
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I can answer one of those questions: the overlay is acceptable, because 99.5% of the time I don't see it because I use the camera/browser/gallery/app of choice, instead of playing with the settings. That might be different in your case, but since you asked I thought I'd answer.

Hell! I'd recommend the G4 over their 6P! For that European price, I'd 100% recommend the G4 over it!!! No doubt about it! You can get the G4 for 420 euros! The 6P will be 650 and I still think the G4 will compare just as well Or even better in the camera department and battery life. Nexus' aren't known for battery life. Neither is the LG, but hey! ...

theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs.
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what about the P variant ?
was a bit disappointed with the 5X specs too. with only 2gb, what reason is there to upgrade from the nexus 5 ?
Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
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Not for you, for a lot of non-purists, yes.
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
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exactly. will not mix with 'Hello Kitty'
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
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there is the sense mod if you are rooted. but this available for any android.
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no where as fast as you would get on nexus. they come in time though.

I'm also looking at ordering the G4 after the disappointment of the 5X, but it looks like LG will always gimp Nexus devices so it won't compete with their own flagship.
LG seems to be the only manufacturer left that give all the choices for users, even Samsung is going Apple direction.
I find LG interface to be much more bearable than Samsung which to me personally is unusable. This is helped by the fact of on-screen buttons. But I'm just waiting for CyanogenMod availability.
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eksasol said:
I'm also looking at ordering the G4 after the disappointment of the 5X, but it looks like LG will always gimp Nexus devices so it won't compete with their own flagship.
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Then you are not a typical nexus user. You are interested in nexus only because updates are regular and this keeps the value of your device up.
You really prefer to have the extra 'features' every non nexus device offers.
So is this the same as the OP or not.
LG seems to be the only manufacturer left that give all the choices for users, even Samsung is going Apple direction.
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some would say they have exceeded apple in terms of build and quality with their offerings this year.
But I'm just waiting for CyanogenMod availability.
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if you don't need the camera...

Actually Dxomark already tested the new nexus and it came 2nd, after the galaxy s6, beating lg g4 with 1 point. Oops.
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Actually Dxomark already tested the new nexus and it came 2nd, after the galaxy s6, beating lg g4 with 1 point. Oops.
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86 in photo and 79 in video for both but one has 84 points and G4 83 points, anyways DxoMark just sucks, a french reviewer... never in low light

I'm disappointed in the 5x because of the faux look of dual front speakers when in reality one is just an earpiece speaker, nothing more and lack of qi charging, and same outdated storage options. Really don't care about the lack of RAM, not like I can tell a difference going from the G4 to nexus 5, though all of it is hard to justify at $380 when you pay $20 more and get 3gb of ram, a 5.7 inch 2k screen, and an SD slot by choosing a moto x pure edition. 5x specs would be fine with nexus 4 pricing tiers
To answer your question if you're a purist like me, LG UX will drive you bonkers. So much stuff they changed just to be different that doesn't really have a purpose. I like it overall OK but have already decided I'm going back to a nexus or a moto next year. Also the memory leak is in full effect on it as LG has written 5.1.1 off as "too minor to even bother with" which means it won't get fixed until you get marshmallow which probably won't be until 2016
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Actually Dxomark already tested the new nexus and it came 2nd, after the galaxy s6, beating lg g4 with 1 point. Oops.
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That was quick but the most interesting scores are the N6P is top for texture in stills beating the S6 & G4 and beating both again for Noise by 4 points.
I think the comparisons of N6P against S6/G4 are going to be interesting, hard as it might be to believe, expect the N6P shots to look slightly better in details than the S6/G4. How to counter that ? reduce to 12MP on both, now noise & details will look sharper and the difference will be hard to tell. Still, this is an achievement for the N6P. The 6S+ did not get there. The Z5 did.
In terms of video stabilisation its a good ten points behind the G4 so jerky video.
12MP and 1/2.3" rear camera.
The big catch is that there is no OIS in either N5X or N6P, pretty shocking considering N5 & N6 had it. Go to the trouble to make a good camera and then leave out OIS. Seriously WTH!!!! So like the Z5 except the Z5 will have more features ootb. You better have good handholds a la xperia or M9 to get clear low light shots with these nexii.
What will the camera interface be like, google camera has always been very limited. 3rd party cams will be essential. And then we will find out just how slow the shutter gets to.
They left out wireless charging on both ! ok, i get it that morotola is crap at wireless charging but LG already nailed it with the 5, two years ago.
Course for those who want sd & removable battery, software is not going to be able to fix

I've just returned my LG G4 to get the Nexus 5x.
I loved the G4's camera but the bloatware, bluetooth issues, buggy smart unlock, constant notifications of "NFC may drain battery" when using my car dock, the big when you put it on charge, the bing when it finishes charging, the bing when you turn it on, the bing when you turn it off.... it stopped being an enjoyable device to use and it was all because of what LG had done to Android.
So I'm going back to stock android. Originally I was going to wait for a G4 AOSP or Cyanogen rom but with the announcement of the fantastic Nexus 5x camera I decided to make the move while I still could..
The feature list is cut down compared to the G4 but it is stuff I am not so concerned with. I've not used expandable storage since moving to use Google music, Photo, Docs, Keep and Drive. I've never used wireless charging, and I don't game on my phones so I am not worried about the 1gb less of ram, especially when my Nexus 4 uses nearly 1GB of ram less than the LG G4 when idling.

I got the G4 after trying almost all other phones out there. I had Z3, HTC One M9, S6, Nexus 6, Iphone 6, and now G4 and the G4 blows them all away.
It is quicker than the others, has no memory or multitasking issues contrary to some minor views in this thread, the bluetooth, 4g and wifi work perfectly, smart lock works fine too, the camera beats all of the other phones I owned, and the battery life is equal to if not better than all at 5 Hours SOT at 60% screen brightness.
The new google launcher is AWFUL so wanting that is just nonesense, and the LG launcher has replaced Nova for me, because it's just as customisable.
Nexus fans won't want it though because they want Stock = Boring, and prefer the boring look to a decent camera and features. Anyone expecting the new Nexus devices to actually have decent real world camera is praying to the wrong gods.

I have no memory leak issues with my Verizon model, and love 95% of this phone.
Coming from a Nexus/Moto X background, I find LG's ui decent and mostly easy to use. There are 2 or 3 little annoyances in how settings are accessed, but Nova Launcher fixes most design issues - an icon pack and new screen layout, plus gestures to shortcut to the settings I use most.
I world consider rooting to clean up the other small issues, but I'm a regular Android Pay user do I'm holding off until that all shakes out.
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G4 should be compared to 6p. 5x is mid range.
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Im a huge nexus fan ive owned all of them from the first HTC to the last motorola. I bought the g4 blindly to test the non nexus waters and this phone has blown me away especially after the updates and the camera is super amazing and no nexus can or will beat it. Dont get me wrong ill probably grab the new nexus 5 based on stock so i can have fun rooting and putting custom roms on it, but besides having cutting edge software it will be my secondary phone and ill stick with my g4 for everyday use. To be honest im a crack flasher and it feels good to not have that urge with my g4, i got root and thats all i needed to get rid of some things and add xposed to tweak it a bit. Very happy with my g4 and will likely get the g5 when it drops.
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theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
Is the LG overlay acceptable? (This is the only thing which really holds me off buying the G4 at the moment, because I really love stock Android)
Is LG offering some stock Android experience? (like HTC did)
How fast the software updates get released?
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Hello, I bought the G4 for about a month and it has no problem till now. Everything is OK. The body design is a little bend and quite comfortable playing with the phone. But the price is a little bit expensive for me. I was impulsive to buy it. Fortunately it performs well overall.

ambervals6 said:
G4 should be compared to 6p. 5x is mid range.
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no, because G4 and 5X share same hardware.

theliquid said:
As the title says, I am really disappointed by the N5X price in Europe compared to the specs. Is the LG G4 still worth buying it?
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Yes. In terms of hardware, it's about even up. And the G4 also offers a miniSD slot, exchangeable battery, and nice back covers. Only possible drawback might be the battery live, probably mostly thanks to the G4's insane resolution.
Is the LG overlay acceptable?
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I don't like the LG icons, but that can be easily changed by using a different launcher like Nova. Also, the colors for toast messages and quick settings are a bit bright (cyan). And the mobile data protocol (LTE, G3, ...) is displayed as own icon instead of small text in the reception bar icon. Most of the rest can easily be ignored or even be disabled in the settings.
But a lot of this (and more) can be modified even without unlocking the bootloader. You can flash rooted ROMs via the cable firmware update screen, and then use FlashFire to flash other ZIP updates like Xposed or themed variants (warning: very slow...).
With the European H815 version, you can also unlock the bootloader, but you'll lose warranty, and it can't be unlocked. But it'll allow you to flash "more AOSP" ROMs. (Official CM12 is work in progress, but there's an inofficial port available.)
How fast the software updates get released?
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Android M at least has been announced for the G4. I guess it's hard to tell even by LG's developers, as it depends on the changes made by Google.
But then, the changes made since Android 4.1 aren't that impressive anyway IMHO, and several recent updates had some teething troubles, so maybe it's not so bad to wait a bit longer...

Thinking of buying a ZenFone 2 to replace my old Nexus 5

Hi everyone,
I currently have the 2013 Nexus 5, and am looking to replace it as the battery is dying.
I have a budget of £250 max, but would like to spend less.
the 32GB, 4GB - ram ZE551ML is now down to £178.95 at Simply Electronics
http://www.simplyelectronics.net/mainproduct.php?pid=27003&sd=specs
but I have a few questions:
1. Which version of Android is it currently on (officially, eg. without flashing) and do you think it will see 6.0 if it hasnt already got it?
2. Is most/all of the bloatware it comes with uninstallable?
3. Would you still buy it/ are you still happy with your ZenFone 2?
4. Whats the build quality like? and common problems?
thanks a lot

CarsnGadgets said:
Hi everyone,
I currently have the 2013 Nexus 5, and am looking to replace it as the battery is dying.
I have a budget of £250 max, but would like to spend less.
the 32GB, 4GB - ram ZE551ML is now down to £178.95 at Simply Electronics
http://www.simplyelectronics.net/mainproduct.php?pid=27003&sd=specs
but I have a few questions:
1. Which version of Android is it currently on (officially, eg. without flashing) and do you think it will see 6.0 if it hasnt already got it?
2. Is most/all of the bloatware it comes with uninstallable?
3. Would you still buy it/ are you still happy with your ZenFone 2?
4. Whats the build quality like? and common problems?
thanks a lot
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1. Lollipop 5.0, and yes its confirmed we are getting official Marshmallow 6.0.
2. Almost all except the ASUS apps and Clean Master.
3. Yup, typing from it and have to say 6 months in and still a happy camper
4. Build quality is pretty solid but my unit's back cover creaks a bit at times. Some common problems I've noticed are:
(i) Gorilla Glass 3 is prone to scratches on some units.
(ii) The screen goes unresponsive.
(iii) The loudspeaker just dies apparently.
(iv) The rear Camera lens is prone to scratches.
Thats pretty much it. Hope this helped!

Another happy 6 months Zenfone 2 owner. I have had no problems with it at all.
I was looking at the 32gb version when I was considering buying my Zenfone, but with the price difference between it and the higher spec 64gb version being under £30 at the time, I bought the 64gb version.

6 minths for me too and still happy with my purchase. 4gb/64gb version.
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Same here! Work like a charm.
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Don't do it. I considered upgrading from the zenfone 2 to a nexus 5

MMS has issues and ASUS support is horrible.

8 months in and I'm extremely satisfied. You won't regret it.

I came from a nexus 5 and couldn't be happier. On the nexus 5 I used my own custom build of cm12 and talked nicely. I believe the zenfone runs circles around the nexus 5.
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Camera is struggling at dark and night and low light conditions, Bluetooth pairing gives me hard time with my Ford Figo. otherwise extremely happy with phone, super smooth , fast charging, loud speaker etc... good phone for a little money you will pay.

I come from the Nexus 4, the build quality is good but not as great but then again the N4 was all glass while the N5 is mostly plastic like the ZF2.
Power-wise this phone is a beast, I have never ever had to close anything due to low RAM.
The only real problem with this phone is software, its stuck in 5.0 not even 5.1 and ROM support is nowhere near Nexus levels so don't expect to be able to choose from a number of projects. Again if you don't care about custom ROMs no problem, but if you're really into that like a lot of us Nexus users are then you're not gonna like this phone.
My hope is that a stable CM13 will change this and we will have other ROMs based off it as well, but then again I had this phone almost since launch and the waiting sucks.

MGREX said:
The only real problem with this phone is software, its stuck in 5.0 not even 5.1 and ROM support is nowhere near Nexus levels so don't expect to be able to choose from a number of projects. Again if you don't care about custom ROMs no problem, but if you're really into that like a lot of us Nexus users are then you're not gonna like this phone.
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I suppose compared to nexuses there aren't as many ROMs, but there are still plenty of them available, including an AOSP ROM, which I can personally vouch for.
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TOT_tomdora said:
I suppose compared to nexuses there aren't as many ROMs, but there are still plenty of them available, including an AOSP ROM, which I can personally vouch for.
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Yes there are a lot of ROMs available, I see a few people complaint about the battery life, however mine been great, just install cm13, running great so far

i came from the red/orange google play store nexus 5, the zenfone has better battery life and is much snappier. signal i think might be a tiny bit lower than the nex5 but then again cant confirm that since i dont drop calls or anything like that.
camera is better than the nex5 but then again the nex 5 camera is horrible so thats not saying much, the earpiece call quality and volume is great, but the speakerphone isnt as loud as i would like.
if i could do it over i would still do it. i have been nothing but satisfied with the phone. and if i could change anything about the phone it would only be that it didnt have hardware buttons on the bottom and that they were software buttons instead.
also i should mention im using the cheaper varient of the zenfone "1.8ghz 2gb ram" and its better than the nex5 in every aspect.

I also moved from the N5 to Z2 and I much prefer the Z2 now. When I first got it, I was ratty with the amount of bloat. The latest cm13 nightly is pure bliss to use and I have no worries running it daily, considering I work 'on standby' and need to be able to receive phone calls at pretty much anytime first time.

I'm in the same situation but contemplating the LG G3, especially because the camera in the ZF2 doesn't seem to be as good and doesnt have OIS.
Also the size (G3 is slightly smaller and lighter), better screen, infrared (it could be very useful for me, I travel a lot and wouldn't have to deal with crappy dirty remotes anywhere).
Let's wait and see, my nexus 5 will be back from the hospital tomorrow (dead or alive, I still don't know).
ps.: Oh, and removable battery!

agithegreat said:
I also moved from the N5 to Z2 and I much prefer the Z2 now. When I first got it, I was ratty with the amount of bloat. The latest cm13 nightly is pure bliss to use and I have no worries running it daily, considering I work 'on standby' and need to be able to receive phone calls at pretty much anytime first time.
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Really? I have been having some first world problems with CM13. The most obvious being it cannot run .gifv and .webm in my browser. Can you confirm or deny this?

should I sell LG G3 and buy a Nexus 5X 32GB?

Currently have a LG G3 16GB a year (bought sim -free) and wondering is a Nexus 5X a good replacement? from United Kingdom (GB)

reefuge said:
Currently had my LG G3 16GB a year (bought sim -free) and wondering is a Nexus 5X a good replacement? from United Kingdom (GB)
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I was using g3 16gb 2gb of ram
I would say definitely worth to upgrade
Good camera
More performance
Faster update.
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It's not. Even from G2. Go for Nexus 6P, Pixel or OnePlus 3.

Dont purchase LG they have very ****ty warranty and support.

Just IMHO. Having had LG G2, G3, G Flex 2, Huawei P8 in passing 6 mths. Each of those had something unique. The 5X seems it doesn't. BUT despite being plastic without the premium feel, it rocks very snazzy camera and 2g Ram ain't still bad. Display is nice and sufficient and having regular, stable and most recent updates is the bonus to welcome. Plus there's a nice custom Rom community that makes your phone a beast. So choice's yours but if you grab that you won't be disappointed

Check out some reviews

The way I see it, switching from LG G3 to Nexus 5X is merely a side-grade, not an upgrade as far as the specs go. You lose the sd card slot, but gain a barely faster CPU and relatively lean ROM that has been already upgraded to Nougat.

Its definitely an upgrade IMO! Nexus rules. Better roms, kernels, other mods, more compatible.. More roms! Kick ass devs!!! I used to buy flagships. Last flagship I had was an GS4. I've had every Nexus except the Nexus 4 because at the time I was on Sprint and they didn't have it. The Bullhead is a good phone. I had a 6p before and it got destroyed on a job and liked it more as far as internal specs.. It is faster and gets better battery but I like the 5x build quality and led light seems to be more on point with colors .. You can grab a 5x for like $200 now. Dang well worth 2 bills.
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Duckscreen said:
I was using g3 16gb 2gb of ram
I would say definitely worth to upgrade
Good camera
More performance
Faster update.
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If you want a better phone which runs fast and smooth and you don't want to spend a lot of money yes nexus 5x is great!If you have no problem to spend some more I think one plus 3 would be the best choice. I wouldn't say pixel is a lot faster.

I came from a G3. It was a great move with no regrets

I swapped my lg g3 for 5x. Same 32gb UK model etc. A great decision imo. Only drawback is lack of expandable storage but there is no overheating issues like in g3

That's exactly what I've done a month ago lol yeah it's woth to change the only thing I regret is the 2k screen but nexus 5x is just a little less defined and it's a lot more performing/frequently updated/more supported by xda/has a better hardware so it's worth the change

I came from a Sony Z3 Compact and I have to say that i'm too happy having mi 5X. Excellent camera (better than Z3 compact's), stock android is the best that any android fan could have, you're free from useless apps from manufacturers. The display is really good, processor works perfect, battery do it's job perfectly and further more you will have access to very nice mods and roms with great support and easy ways to install it, making the 5x a very custom phone compared to your old G3. If you want a premium feel in your hand with this phone, you just have to buy a vinyl set, there are very nice variants. Trust me, if you are an android fan, the 5x is a great upgrade from your G3.

khanjui said:
It's not. Even from G2. Go for Nexus 6P, Pixel or OnePlus 3.
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had g2, and 5x is an upgrade albeit a small one, but g3 is garbage and inferior to both phones.
imo the only phones worth to buy for their price group are:
moto E3
nexus 5X
oneplus 3

Sorry to hijack your thread but I have the same dilemma as well, between OnePlus X and Nexus 5X. Should I keep 5X and sell OPX or the other way round.
OPX over 5X:
- Sleeker body profile VS fatter body profile. The Onyx version is really nice.
- SDCard slot so I can use SD card as adaptive storage to get more spaces VS fixed 16/32 storage
- 3GB RAM VS 2GB RAM
- Better screen? AMOLED vs IPS. Higher PPI.
5X over OPX:
- Better processor 808 VS 801
- Fingerprint VS no fingerprint
- USB Type C VS micro USB
- Better camera quality and performance
- Faster update from Google, but this doesn't matter as I always flash custom ROM
Thank you.

vibranze said:
Sorry to hijack your thread but I have the same dilemma as well, between OnePlus X and Nexus 5X. Should I keep 5X and sell OPX or the other way round.
OPX over 5X:
- Sleeker body profile VS fatter body profile. The Onyx version is really nice.
- SDCard slot so I can use SD card as adaptive storage to get more spaces VS fixed 16/32 storage
- 3GB RAM VS 2GB RAM
- Better screen? AMOLED vs IPS. Higher PPI.
5X over OPX:
- Better processor 808 VS 801
- Fingerprint VS no fingerprint
- USB Type C VS micro USB
- Better camera quality and performance
- Faster update from Google, but this doesn't matter as I always flash custom ROM
Thank you.
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dont matter:
performance, 808 throttles so its the same in daily use
amoled, that tells nothing about screen colors, ppi difference is not visible
slightly matter:
usb c, for covenience
fingerprint, for "security"
3gb, nice to have
sd card, nice to have
important:
processor, qualcom stops releasing updates for old hardware
looks, if you crave the phone then you might as well buy it

Giorgos Chatziioannou said:
dont matter:
performance, 808 throttles so its the same in daily use
amoled, that tells nothing about screen colors, ppi difference is not visible
slightly matter:
usb c, for covenience
fingerprint, for "security"
3gb, nice to have
sd card, nice to have
important:
processor, qualcom stops releasing updates for old hardware
looks, if you crave the phone then you might as well buy it
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I have both of them now, OPX and 5X.
So your suggestion is to stay with Nexus 5X due to USB-C and fingerprint?
Thank you.

vibranze said:
I have both of them now, OPX and 5X.
So your suggestion is to stay with Nexus 5X due to USB-C and fingerprint?
Thank you.
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thats on you. personally i dont even use fp anymore, while i LOVE usb c not having to play twister every time i plug in xD

I did and I'm happy because of it N5X works much better than G3.

Did you sell it yet? ???? @reefuge
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