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[Q] ARC camera resolution

Hello everyone!
I recently bought a Sony Ericsson Arc and the images taken by its camera look pretty good on the phone it self, but wen it comes to downloading them on PC the results are quite unexpected. the image resolution is poor 400xXXX pixels or less and size is about 600kb (same shown in astro file explorer) although its taken on 8mpx settings and same with using HDR camera. I use universal android suit (i dont know maybe i need original sofware?) The question is how do I fix that Resolution problem? what settings and where? pls help

cczr1 said:
Hello everyone!
I recently bought a Sony Ericsson Arc and the images taken by its camera look pretty good on the phone it self, but wen it comes to downloading them on PC the results are quite unexpected. the image resolution is poor 400xXXX pixels or less and size is about 600kb (same shown in astro file explorer) although its taken on 8mpx settings and same with using HDR camera. I use universal android suit (i dont know maybe i need original sofware?) The question is how do I fix that Resolution problem? what settings and where? pls help
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i don't believe hdr camera supports full resolution even if it claims it. Take a picture with the stock camera and check the resolution on that. What's universal Android suit?

Mr Patchy Patch said:
i don't believe hdr camera supports full resolution even if it claims it. Take a picture with the stock camera and check the resolution on that. What's universal Android suit?
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HDR camera does support full resolution, I have taking several pictures with both SE camera app, HDR camera and Vignette all at 8MP and compared them with 100-200% magnification, the resolution on each is exactly the same, there is absolute no difference in the details recorded.
HDR camera does after combining three pictures increase color saturation and contrast for the whole picture and fine details. This makes the pictures look like they have more details but up close it is easy to see the same amount of details and same pixel sizes.
I have decided to uninstall Vignette as it add some very weird "pixel curtain" all over the pictures which initially gives it a larger file size as it add additional pixels which is not supposed to be there. This could give the wrong impression that it contains more details which is not the case.

Nexus Camera, no widescreen/16:9 photos??

Lets put ugly black bars on the sides of all your pictures while giving you gorgeous 1080 video capture.. Okay seriously, any chance the stock camera apk can be modified to allow widescreen photo capture?

Software...limitations....for...NOW...hopefully Google will bump us up.

white2kss said:
Lets put ugly black bars on the sides of all your pictures while giving you gorgeous 1080 video capture.. Okay seriously, any chance the stock camera apk can be modified to allow widescreen photo capture?
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You mean instead of taking full 5mp photos, you want the camera app to crop the top and bottom of the photo and downscale it to 2mp? Because thats what 1080p is.

When viewing a picture on a Widescreen monitor, an HDTV or our phone's screen for that matter, 16:9 just looks better.
Anyone know if this is on the to do list, or if there is a way to do enable this on the stock camera app?

Surprised the camera doesn't default to 16:9. Most phone cameras haven't used 4:3 in a long time.

zoom in on the photo if you're bothered, I'd rather have full resolution and make full use of the 4:3 chip inside than having some cropped off.
It's as bad as the people who moan when DVDs, Blu-rays and film channels (at least here in the UK) show films properly which means there's black bars at the top and the bottom, I'd rather see the whole thing that have some edges chopped off!

Whats also interesting is if you take a picture while recording a video in 1080p or 720p for that matter, then those shots are in widescreen.
Forget which quality is better for a second and think about the fact that this will lead to having different aspect ratios for some of your pictures since theres no way to force is on the Camera shots.
I dont know whether the quality is better with widescreen or not (it sounds like not) but I think we can all agree we'd rather have the option to turn it on or off.
Hopefully it comes in an upgrade or MOD at some point.

Has anyone tried using Vignette?

Yes, Vignette seems to work well on ICS. That said, I haven't found a way to make it shoot 16:9 stills. However, it looks like Camera360 Ultimate might -- and for whatever reason, it is free in the Market as I type this.

Balthazar B said:
Yes, Vignette seems to work well on ICS. That said, I haven't found a way to make it shoot 16:9 stills. However, it looks like Camera360 Ultimate might -- and for whatever reason, it is free in the Market as I type this.
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Yeah guys, VIGNETTE works well on SGN, you ca adjust aspect ratio to 16:9.
I have just purchased this and need to try how is the quality now...
but at least it works in wide screen mode, even though the effect is more or less a zomed in pictures, but the app can save simultaneously the original 4:3 photo as well. . It would be better to have a native 16:9 camera..
cheers
thomas

dindindores said:
Yeah guys, VIGNETTE works well on SGN, you ca adjust aspect ratio to 16:9.
I have just purchased this and need to try how is the quality now...
but at least it works in wide screen mode, even though the effect is more or less a zomed in pictures, but the app can save simultaneously the original 4:3 photo as well. . It would be better to have a native 16:9 camera..
cheers
thomas
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What ROM are you using and what settings in Vignette to get it working? On my SGN it won't even refocus, it crashes as soon as I touch the screen and I get this message:
VIE encountered an error.
Runtime error: java.lang.
UnsupportedOperationException
I sent the dev an email ages ago but haven't received a response.
I've tried rebooting, un-installing, re-installing, full wipe, turning force GPU rendering both on and off and nothing seems to work :,(
Krisbo

Most camera-chips and camera's are 4:3, including on high-end DSLRs.
If you want it to have a widescreen look, either zoom in or just crop it. It's not that hard.

josteink said:
Most camera-chips and camera's are 4:3, including on high-end DSLRs.
If you want it to have a widescreen look, either zoom in or just crop it. It's not that hard.
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Yeah, and this is limitation for capturing normal widescreen photos. For example, my previous xperia neo has 8M camera and it native sensor has 4:3 (3264*2448) or total ~8 million pixels. But it software camera has 16:9 mode which crop top and bottom lines for 16:9 (3264*1839) or total ~6 million pixels. At the end, our gnex camera has 4:3 (2592*1944) or ~5 million pixels. For cropping this to 16:9 we'll have only 1458 for height. This is totally loss information for such a sensors.

If your such a camera nazi then crop the pics to 16:9. But i agree with the people that say why downgrade quality , im sure if they did you would start a thread on nexus camera not detailed photos
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josteink said:
Most camera-chips and camera's are 4:3, including on high-end DSLRs.
If you want it to have a widescreen look, either zoom in or just crop it. It's not that hard.
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It's actually 3:2. Only Olympus produces 4:3 DSLRs.
Back to the main topic, if you want to capture somewhat widescreen images OP, try Camera ICS.
It doesn't do 16:9 but 3:2, at least. It also offers various improvement.

IceBean said:
It's actually 3:2. Only Olympus produces 4:3 DSLRs.
Back to the main topic, if you want to capture somewhat widescreen images OP, try Camera ICS.
It doesn't do 16:9 but 3:2, at least. It also offers various improvement.
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Is the Nexus's sensor has the aspect ratio 3:2?

helgi.ua said:
Is the Nexus's sensor has the aspect ratio 3:2?
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No, it's 4:3 but there's a setting in Camera ICS that automatically crops 4:3 images to 3:2.
By doing so, you lost about 0.5mp (from 5.0to 4.5mp) which isn't a big deal.
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And guess what? Camera ICS also supports 16:9 (3.8mp) format.

Camera Mx, 16:9 aspect ratio

Camer JB +
Install Camera JB+ from the app store. It gives the option of Widescreen (16:9) pictures but you have to compromise with MP (3.8MP)

GN2 Camera Query - wrong resolution

The issue is photos that are taken sometimes end up being 1280 x 720 in resolution using default setting.
Not always, as the default setting is single shot with maximum widescreen resolution. You can imagine how infuriating it is when you have been to a special event only to have crappy low res pics, and when you check the setting it is correct.
Anyone know whats going on? Also, do certain settings reduce the resolution like anti-shake, face detect etc. The user manual is absolutely useless.
Thanks
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MaxReality said:
The issue is photos that are taken sometimes end up being 1280 x 720 in resolution using default setting.
Not always, as the default setting is single shot with maximum widescreen resolution. You can imagine how infuriating it is when you have been to a special event only to have crappy low res pics, and when you check the setting it is correct.
Anyone know whats going on? Also, do certain settings reduce the resolution like anti-shake, face detect etc. The user manual is absolutely useless.
Thanks
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda app-developers app
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Just checked several of my photos. All of them are at 3264x2448. Are you sure you set it to the right resolution in the settings? I have image quality set to superfine as well, I dont know if that makes any difference.
As far as I know antishake and face detect wont reduce the resolution

Camera and image file sizes and formats?

Folks;
being on an M51 using stock ROM, OpenCamera and stock Samsung camera, I am a bit lost figuring out how to use the cameras well. Two pecularities come to attention:
Samsung camera apparently has a way to set a 16:9 12MP image mode (4624x2604) whereas in OpenCamera the maximum 16:9 resolution is 3840x2160 (8.2 MP).
In OpenCamera, the 8.2 MP images (set to maximum JPG quality) have a size of apprx 2MB each, which seems reasonable. However, using Samsung stock camera set to 4624x2604, image files are close to 7.5MB which seems extremely huge for a JPG compressed image file even at best quality.
Does anyone have insights or ideas what the Samsung app does here what OpenCamera isn't capable of doing?
Thanks in advance and all the best,
Kristian

Samsung camera probably uses full resolution images and crops the view, maybe to align images? Open camera uses 90% jpeg quality by default, which has minimal impact in image quality but still produce more artifacts. You can set it to 100% in photo settings.

Makes sense, thanks. I'll play around a bit with the cameras and different resolutions and compare results. Mostly I'm a bit confused, too, because my previous device used to have bigger (file size) images while shooting with the same resolution, and I wonder whether "more bits" means "better quality" at this point (or just "more noise"). Already did set OpenCamera to 100%, just to be sure. Unfortunately, a bunch of modes (like the 64MP mode or that 16:9 12MP mode) aren't even available in OpenCamera. The tool still needs getting used to.

Question Question about photo image size

Hi guys, I have a problem regarding Pixel 6Pro photo image size. not sure if any of you might have already noticed.
Image size of my previous Pixel 4XL is generally around 3-4MB. However the image size of Pixel 6 Pro is generally around 2-3MB. Photos taken from both phones are in 4:3 with full resolutions in Google Camera settings.
One more interesting discovery is, once I make any tiny adjustment in edit mode (e.g. increase brightness by 1), the photo size is immediately boosted up to 8-10MB from a photo having original size of around 3MB. Also, I found that the image is not very detailed when I take a steady picture of flower under great weather, when compared to iPhone 13 Pro. Lots of details of the flowers are lost.
I personally expect and indeed prefer having the larger image size right after capturing, as it might theoretically include finer image details.

Hi @junocaj. You can always enable JPG+RAW saving in Advanced Settings, although from my understanding, working with RAW files really requires a lot of professional work, as by default it won't look as good as the JPG (or other image formats - not that there's a choice for other formats with the Google Camera app).
You can also try a different camera app and see if you like the results better, although the Google Camera app will likely have new features from time to time that gives it some advantages. It all depends on what you, as a user, want the most out of your camera app.

@roirraW "edor" ehT . Yeah, I understand that can enable JPG+RAW for professional photo editing.
just that I am a little confused on why the image size of a 3MB picture can be boosted up to 8-10MB right after a super minor editing. It appears to me that the picture size is originally 8-10MB, just that for some reason it is compressed down to 3MB, even I have set the resolution to be full resolution in settings.
Ain't sure if the details of the picture is erased by such compression by the AI. The reason I raised this observation was that one day I used iPhone 13Pro to take a picture at the same spot together with P6P, iPhone output a jpg of around 10MB directly, and lots of details is maintained, while the picture of P6P is around 2-3MB.

@junocaj As to the smaller size of the original file, it could be a change in the JPEG compression they use. Sometimes only lowering the JPEG compression value by a little bit results in a much smaller size while still looking good. Also, the AI possibility as you mention - i.e. maybe on the P6P the Google Camera app is able to routinely save JPEGs at the same compression setting as on previous Pixels but with AI work is still able to reduce the size.
There are several possibilities for the change in size. The new file could be including the editing steps you took - so that you can restore the original. It could also be keeping the edited file in a less compressed state for some reason.
All that above is just speculation on my part.
Sizes of image files definitely aren't the final determination in quality, either. Even a PNG file (not talking about on the phone) can be optimized and take up a lot less space while losing zero data compared to the original file.

I have noticed this too. The P6pros pictures are heavily compressed. I have pictures from my Nexus 6p and pixel 2 that are larger size with fewer artifacts.
One way was to use a Gcam mod that has jpeg picture size selection. At 100% quality the jpegs are 8-13MB. This really does help with details.

86rickard said:
I have noticed this too. The P6pros pictures are heavily compressed. I have pictures from my Nexus 6p and pixel 2 that are larger size with fewer artifacts.
One way was to use a Gcam mod that has jpeg picture size selection. At 100% quality the jpegs are 8-13MB. This really does help with details.
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@86rickard would you mind sharing where could I get this gcam mod?

I'm guessing Google have set the compression around 80%, mine are always 2.5MB to 4.5MB dependant on how many colours are in the image, very similar to the size they were from my Pixel 5 which given the image is all but the same size isn't a surprise.
I have never understood why all the phone makers cant just include a compression slider and let the user choose. Re-editing a compressed photo and resaving it and it being significantly bigger is par for the course, that's nothing new.
All that said i cant say my photos are absolutely terrible or full of artefacts even after Google Photos has compressed them even further.

junocaj said:
@86rickard would you mind sharing where could I get this gcam mod?
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MWP GCam APKs - Google Camera Port
Modified Google Camera app by MWP.
www.celsoazevedo.com

MrBelter said:
I'm guessing Google have set the compression around 80%, mine are always 2.5MB to 4.5MB dependant on how many colours are in the image, very similar to the size they were from my Pixel 5 which given the image is all but the same size isn't a surprise.
I have never understood why all the phone makers cant just include a compression slider and let the user choose. Re-editing a compressed photo and resaving it and it being significantly bigger is par for the course, that's nothing new.
All that said i cant say my photos are absolutely terrible or full of artefacts even after Google Photos has compressed them even further.
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Playing with the gcam mod above its about 30-50%. Depending on the details in the image. It looks like the camera app is choosing a compression rate based on details too.
Needless to say in low light, noise reduction and jpeg compression make for a poor image.

@86rickard Great! thanks very much!
Found that the latest version that have the JPG quality option is the Gcam_8.3.252_V2.0_MWP one. Perfect to have the uncompressed output! I will try it out more comparing this mod against the stock gcam, lovely.
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MWP GCam APKs - Google Camera Port
Modified Google Camera app by MWP.
www.celsoazevedo.com
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junocaj said:
@86rickard Great! thanks very much!
Found that the latest version that have the JPG quality option is the Gcam_8.3.252_V2.0_MWP one. Perfect to have the uncompressed output! I will try it out more comparing this mod against the stock gcam, lovely.
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the MWP Pixel gcam mod is great (use the first non-beta in the list)
You can force higher quality and HDR+ enhanced (and also change the custom libs option to MWP_xHDR in Mod Settings). this mod is a gamechanger for the 6 series.

I wonder how long it will be before they start sending cease and desist letters to distributors of these hacked versions of gcam like they did for utube?
Another option besides these that will work for a lot of people, is to use alternate camera software. GrapheneOS Camera, for example, works very well. Its not as "feature rich" as gcam maybe, but the default compression is less, and you can override the default by specifying a jpeg quality level.

my p6 pro is my first pixel. i noticed something that might answer your question. when you save a photo after editing it, the default is to save with the ability to revert to original. if you select save as a copy, the original data is not included in the file.

96carboard said:
I wonder how long it will be before they start sending cease and desist letters to distributors of these hacked versions of gcam like they did for utube?
Another option besides these that will work for a lot of people, is to use alternate camera software. GrapheneOS Camera, for example, works very well. Its not as "feature rich" as gcam maybe, but the default compression is less, and you can override the default by specifying a jpeg quality level.
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Yeah I think the issue with YouTube was the lack of ads Google was losing money on. There are no ads in Gcam but stupid stuff happens and one will never know what a big tech company may do in the future

Alekos said:
the MWP Pixel gcam mod is great (use the first non-beta in the list)
You can force higher quality and HDR+ enhanced (and also change the custom libs option to MWP_xHDR in Mod Settings). this mod is a gamechanger for the 6 series.
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I tried iso and exposure adjustments but it seems that its not working.

86rickard said:
Playing with the gcam mod above its about 30-50%. Depending on the details in the image. It looks like the camera app is choosing a compression rate based on details too.
Needless to say in low light, noise reduction and jpeg compression make for a poor image.
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Well that's low light for you, unless you are letting the phone do its stacking magic sensor noise as the ISO increases will get worse and worse which then makes everything else a problem. Upping the ISO on a digital camera isn't like it was with film, all you are doing is pushing the exposure which then brings any noise and artefacts to in to view, you aren't making anything more sensitive and it isn't doing anything you couldn't do with the exposure slider in an editing package.
I am sure Google will tweak it in the months to come but i'd sure like the option to lower compression in the standard app or better still save night shots as a PNG so there is no banding in the image, maybe it is time to bite the bullet and introduce HEIC.

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MWP GCam APKs - Google Camera Port
Modified Google Camera app by MWP.
www.celsoazevedo.com
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That is a great Camera Mod. I'm not the photographer some of you are, but the options oin this are really nice.

Mangtas_666 said:
I tried iso and exposure adjustments but it seems that its not working.
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HDR+ enhanced has to be enabled. The ISO/exposure adjustment won't work on ZSL (zero shutter lag) aka HDR+. Should work in Night Sight mode as well.

jericho246 said:
HDR+ enhanced has to be enabled. The ISO/exposure adjustment won't work on ZSL (zero shutter lag) aka HDR+. Should work in Night Sight mode as well.
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Thanks for the info Jericho246 i appreciate it.

junocaj said:
Hi guys, I have a problem regarding Pixel 6Pro photo image size. not sure if any of you might have already noticed.
Image size of my previous Pixel 4XL is generally around 3-4MB. However the image size of Pixel 6 Pro is generally around 2-3MB. Photos taken from both phones are in 4:3 with full resolutions in Google Camera settings.
One more interesting discovery is, once I make any tiny adjustment in edit mode (e.g. increase brightness by 1), the photo size is immediately boosted up to 8-10MB from a photo having original size of around 3MB. Also, I found that the image is not very detailed when I take a steady picture of flower under great weather, when compared to iPhone 13 Pro. Lots of details of the flowers are lost.
I personally expect and indeed prefer having the larger image size right after capturing, as it might theoretically include finer image details.
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How in the world did you get a photo from pixel 6 pro over 1 MB in size... I took a beautiful full rainbow shot, which looks nice, but when I downloaded it it was only 116 kb in size. Way to small for my tastes. 1036 x 780. Very disappointed and can't find any settings except for higher resolution which is selected.