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New to Android: Optimus G or mainstream device?

Hi-
So I've been looking at getting an Android device, as I'd finally like to leave apple. I have considered the Samsung S4 and Xperia Z, but they don't suit (too expensive, or too big).
However, I recently saw this device on sale (in Australia - $388), and the spec's have impressed me a lot. It's the international version (32GB, 13MP camera).
My priorities are:
1. Use as an eReader
2. Decent Battery
3. Run remote desktop apps (VNC/LogMeIn)
4. Play games (mainly SNES/n64 emulators)
I've noticed the development scene for this phone is not big. What does this mean for me? Just less roms available?
I'm also concerned as I've read the camera isn't great... Is that right? Have any of the new roms fixed it?
Also- will multiview be possible? I know it isn't on stock- but can any ROM's do it?
Cheers

1-4, yes yes yes yes.
Custom roms are working great,no issues.we have quality over quantity.
Multi view is not for g,but for g pro.don't know if a value pack with goodies from g pro will be released for g.i hope it will.
Camera is decent,don't expect miracles in low light conditions.but on normal light conditions,it's just great.
no phone can replace a dedicated camera,remember that.
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kimitza said:
1-4, yes yes yes yes.
Custom roms are working great,no issues.we have quality over quantity.
Multi view is not for g,but for g pro.don't know if a value pack with goodies from g pro will be released for g.i hope it will.
Camera is decent,don't expect miracles in low light conditions.but on normal light conditions,it's just great.
no phone can replace a dedicated camera,remember that.
Sent from LG E975 pwd by CM 10.1
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Ok cheers for the response.
I would go and buy this phone now- but having multiview is a must. Such a shame!

You will not regret it
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kimitza said:
1-4, yes yes yes yes.
Custom roms are working great,no issues.we have quality over quantity.
Multi view is not for g,but for g pro.don't know if a value pack with goodies from g pro will be released for g.i hope it will.
Camera is decent,don't expect miracles in low light conditions.but on normal light conditions,it's just great.
no phone can replace a dedicated camera,remember that.
Sent from LG E975 pwd by CM 10.1
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Hi, found that you are running CM 10.1, could you give us some reviews about battery? For moderate use (like music, surfing, and small games as angry bird, temple run), how long can the battery go?
Thanks.

1. Use as an eReader
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Good for reading
2. Decent Battery
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Battery just scks. Its scks so bad.
3. Run remote desktop apps (VNC/LogMeIn)
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Im using LogMeIn, works nice but the "4,7 too small for this IMHO.
4. Play games (mainly SNES/n64 emulators)
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Some games wiping battery in one and half hours.

It's better than stock, at least for me,with a litle tweaking.
For moderate usage you will get 1 day easily.I'm a heavy gamer,though, got 5 hrs of real racing 3 .this is great for me.
No complains here.
Moderate usage for me is this :
20-30 minutes talk
Texts
3 hrs browsing(including youtube) on 3g/LTE
1.5hr or so of gaming like you said(not fancy 3d games)
Music in the background
Battery lasts from morning till dawn without any problems

Seriously 5 hours? That's unreal :-O

i will post screens when i will let the phone settle for a while, easter it's coming here and i will be off for 3 days
It's very important what apps/services are running in the background and the network signal.I use greenify to be sure nothing i don't want is not running in the background

ycon said:
Also- will multiview be possible? I know it isn't on stock- but can any ROM's do it?
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From 4.1 and above, LG's stock ROMs have their own implementation of Xperia small apps. Technically IT IS multiwindow, but only for like calculator, web browser, etc. haha. Still, better than nothing! Goodluck in making your choice

Thanks for the responses everyone.
n7lbk said:
From 4.1 and above, LG's stock ROMs have their own implementation of Xperia small apps. Technically IT IS multiwindow, but only for like calculator, web browser, etc. haha. Still, better than nothing! Goodluck in making your choice
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I think I saw this- quickview or something. It seems ok, but not exactly what I need.
I was sold on it, after everything you all told me, but then when I went to get the device- I just found it too square/large. It's similar to the Xperia Z in size, and the squareness makes it quite bulgy in my jeans. So I'm affaid on size alone- it's no longer an option for me

after spending a while with the G, i´d avise you to go with a mainstream device....
yea the G looks nice, but the camera sucks, battery sucks and with mainstream stuff you get faster updates, more community support and so on

Yeah right,a premium device sucks more than a mainstream. do you realise what you are saying?it's like ,man,go for renault,not mercedes.
Again,why would i need updates if the original software has no issues?just for the sake to say,hey,i have the latest firmware.no visible improvements,but,what the heck,i have the latest.
To be honest, gesture ui from lg is the smoothiest experience compared to similar devices from major competitors(s3,onex).heck,compared with a nexus 4,which is the "pure" android experience,there is no difference.an i compared some flagships,not medium devices.if you advice someone to go for mainstream,it means you never had such devices.in order to trully enjoy android experience,you need at least dual core,1gb ram,decent gpu and at qhd or more display.
Tell me what mainstream device meets all these requirements.
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monkeytown said:
after spending a while with the G, i´d avise you to go with a mainstream device....
yea the G looks nice, but the camera sucks, battery sucks and with mainstream stuff you get faster updates, more community support and so on
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Camera solution:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2065799
I will admit, camera is not as good as other devices, but that tweak offered by Epic_ actually helps greatly with clarity/quality.
Battery:
Root and unlock your phone using universal root / manual + FreeGee.
Install Titanium Backup - remove the bloatware (LG MLT in particular)
Install Greenify - greenify your apps
Disable Fast Dormancy..
Battery life is insane after doing all this. Phone deep sleeps properly.. 2 hours screen time so far, wifi always on / 3g + data on and I'm on 75%, which is on par if not beats the other "mainstream devices" - (SGS3, One X..)
The build quality of this phone is also amazing - observe this drop test of the phone.. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj_F_qc5cds
I actually don't mind that there isn't a lot of ROM development for this phone.. I actually really like LG's stock offering. QSlide is actually quite useful.
And this is coming from me who came from a Nexus S lol

ycon said:
Hi-
So I've been looking at getting an Android device, as I'd finally like to leave apple. I have considered the Samsung S4 and Xperia Z, but they don't suit (too expensive, or too big).
However, I recently saw this device on sale (in Australia - $388), and the spec's have impressed me a lot. It's the international version (32GB, 13MP camera).
My priorities are:
1. Use as an eReader
2. Decent Battery
3. Run remote desktop apps (VNC/LogMeIn)
4. Play games (mainly SNES/n64 emulators)
I've noticed the development scene for this phone is not big. What does this mean for me? Just less roms available?
I'm also concerned as I've read the camera isn't great... Is that right? Have any of the new roms fixed it?
Also- will multiview be possible? I know it isn't on stock- but can any ROM's do it?
Cheers
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Hi where did you see this on sale for $388?

PandaJZ said:
Hi where did you see this on sale for $388?
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It was on sale at JB HiFi I bought the same for the same price. Unsure if the promotion is still on (or if it was a price error nationwide)

I rate you'd be better off getting a GS3 LTE:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9305_galaxy_s_iii-5001.php

.you are kidding,right?
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xis123 said:
It was on sale at JB HiFi I bought the same for the same price. Unsure if the promotion is still on (or if it was a price error nationwide)
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Thanks I checked with jb it's still $388 but you have to buy with a "no contract" telstra plan
Outright is over $600

PandaJZ said:
Thanks I checked with jb it's still $388 but you have to buy with a "no contract" telstra plan
Outright is over $600
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Get it with the contract then immediately cancel it. At least that's what I'm hoping to do.

This Or Xperia Z Ultra

Looking Forward To Buy a new phone and i cam across this or Xperia Z Ultra (Sony Fan Already Own 3 xperia) So M Asking Here Is It Worth Getting?
And Some Of My Concern Are:-
1. No Glass Protection :- Is It Safe To Carry Coz I Drop Phones Often
2. Lag - I Heard The Phone Lags A Lots And Many Time Crash
3. Updates - Will The Phone Get Updates? And Does it Got Official Lolipop?
4. Less Accessories - Heard Dat Phone Has Limited Accessories Even cases Are Hard to Find?
5. IR Blaster - Does Ir Blaster Works Good?
6. Custom ROM Support - Does Developers Really Focuses On This Device As Its Not A Flagship.
7. Camera - How Was The Camera Performance?
And Does It Have Note 3 Features Like Air Gesture And Etc Etc?
Please Reply Quick As I Will Going To Buy New Phone In Few Hours . I Am Getting It At Nearby 270$ So is It Worths Buying?
Thanks And Please Reply If You Own the Phone

yaduvanshi said:
1. No Glass Protection :- Is It Safe To Carry Coz I Drop Phones Often
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I dropped the phone once without the case (Spigen), it bounced back with no damage. I wouldn't recommend using it without a case.
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2. Lag - I Heard The Phone Lags A Lots And Many Time Crash
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Nope. Stock 4.4.2 here. Never crashed.
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3. Updates - Will The Phone Get Updates? And Does it Got Official Lolipop?
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Updates suck. Don't even know if we'll get Lollipop. Some people claim "leaked" documents suggest that we do. Wouldn't hold my breath.
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4. Less Accessories - Heard Dat Phone Has Limited Accessories Even cases Are Hard to Find?
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Yep, true. N3N is not a popular phone, ergo, not many accessories.
yaduvanshi said:
5. IR Blaster - Does Ir Blaster Works Good?
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It works but there is no built in IR remote app. At least not in mine. LG phones have a capable IR remote app, which covers loads of devices (TVs, DVD Players even beamers). There are some apps in Play Store though.
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6. Custom ROM Support - Does Developers Really Focuses On This Device As Its Not A Flagship.
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If you compare what you get from a Sony device, Custom ROM support is non-existing. There are 3-4 ROMs, all have issues. Some people use it as a daily driver but I consider them "alpha-level" maturity.
yaduvanshi said:
7. Camera - How Was The Camera Performance?
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Very good in bright conditions. Rubbish in dark/semi-dark environments. Also, don't even think about shooting a video if the subject isn't VERY WELL lit.
yaduvanshi said:
And Does It Have Note 3 Features Like Air Gesture And Etc Etc?
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Yep, it does everything.
On another plus, the battery runs for 3 days with light-moderate usage. The screen is quite pleasant. Speaker output is nice. Very good WiFi rececption (my wife's iPhone loses connection where I still have 2 bars). Overall, it is a good, cheap phone if you don't care about updates and camera performance.

RecklessTurtle said:
It works but there is no built in IR remote app. At least not in mine. LG phones have a capable IR remote app, which covers loads of devices (TVs, DVD Players even beamers). There are some apps in Play Store though.
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lol i had watchon
and its much better than lgs ir romote app

timuralaskara said:
lol i had watchon
and its much better than lgs ir romote app
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Best application for IR blaster, for my, is smart remote, works fine !!

So Should I Get This Phone ?

yaduvanshi said:
So Should I Get This Phone ?
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We answered all of your questions, didn't we? The rest is up to you. Personally, I'd compare the screen qualities side-by-side with the Sony device. For me, AMOLED was a deciding factor, despite the fact that it is "just" a 720p display. I personally like looking at it

G3 or G4?

I've been struggling to make a decision between the G3 and the G4. The G4 obviously is the newer device with the better specs, but I didn't see any (official) cyanogenmod support yet for it, whereas the G3 has that going for it already. Having some custom roms available is a killer feature for me in a device. I already read that even only the european version (I'm from Germany) of the G4 can be rooted - is that the reason why there are next to no custom ROMs or kernels at all?
Do you recommend the G3 if I'm going for customizability or is the G4 going to get CM support eventually?
Thanks in advance for any help

vadsvads said:
I've been struggling to make a decision between the G3 and the G4. The G4 obviously is the newer device with the better specs, but I didn't see any (official) cyanogenmod support yet for it, whereas the G3 has that going for it already. Having some custom roms available is a killer feature for me in a device. I already read that even only the european version (I'm from Germany) of the G4 can be rooted - is that the reason why there are next to no custom ROMs or kernels at all?
Do you recommend the G3 if I'm going for customizability or is the G4 going to get CM support eventually?
Thanks in advance for any help
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No idea about CM but I think we all have root now. I am using the Canadian model (H812) and we have root but no unlocked bootloader.
We flash things using FlashFire since we can't install TWRP. No idea about roms, I don't use them.

If you're looking for strictly customization you won't find much for the G4. Maybe you'd be satisfied with what's available as far as themes, Xposed, etc.
You can change things up quite a bit, but it's pretty far from a custom rom or kernels. If you're not in a rush maybe wait it out a bit to see if the G4 scene improves. In my opinion it's the much better device out of the two. If anything when you do buy the prices could be lower.
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I would also like to add that flashing roms can get old after a while. On my G2 and previous phones I was constantly flashing and changing things. Seemed like everything was buggy in one way or another. In the end I was happier with a nice phone where everything worked the way it should.
With the G4 I'm pretty happy with the stock software, sure I rooted and changed a few things appearance wise, and removed a lot of bloat ware. I'm stuck with a stock rom and recovery(stupid Verizon model), but that's ok!
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@rick09 Why do you think it's better? Other reasons besides performance?
But the G3 should still be a good phone, right? Currently, I've got an HTC One M7, on which the battery lift has gotten quite horrible... Now I don't really know what to get - I've thought about these (In brackets my concerns about them):
Moto X Play (No replaceable battery)
Oppo R7 Plus (Last gen processor, Huge but unreplacable battery)
LG G3 (Nice overall, but the G4 is newer)
LG G4 (No CM support yet)
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vadsvads said:
@rick09 Why do you think it's better? Other reasons besides performance?
But the G3 should still be a good phone, right? Currently, I've got an HTC One M7, on which the battery lift has gotten quite horrible... Now I don't really know what to get - I've thought about these (In brackets my concerns about them):
Moto X Play (No replaceable battery)
Oppo R7 Plus (Last gen processor, Huge but unreplacable battery)
LG G3 (Nice overall, but the G4 is newer)
LG G4 (No CM support yet)
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Ok look, if you're going to buy one of these phones so go with the G4 H815 (not any other model! because of unlockable bootloader) it will get the cm very soon, the development is very fast,
BUT if custom roms are you're thing and you can't live without it so don't but lg at all, go for the oneplus 2 or the new nexus devices the n5x or the n6p

solokiller11 said:
Ok look, if you're going to buy one of these phones so go with the G4 H815 (not any other model! because of unlockable bootloader) it will get the cm very soon, the development is very fast
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No, I'm totally fine with CM, but will it really be actively developed given that only a small portion of the G4 users can really use it?
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vadsvads said:
No, I'm totally fine with CM, but will it really be actively developed given that only a small portion of the G4 users can really use it?
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Is it will be and also bliss is in development but it will take a little more time to be really stable
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solokiller11 said:
Is it will be and also bliss is in development but it will take a little more time to be really stable
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Thanks for your help How's your battery life? That sweet 4100mAh on the Oppo R7 Plus is really tempting
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vadsvads said:
Thanks for your help How's your battery life? That sweet 4100mAh on the Oppo R7 Plus is really tempting
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The battery is enough for the day but every night I have to charge it, not a problam at all!
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solokiller11 said:
The battery is enough for the day but every night I have to charge it, not a problam at all!
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Oh, I'm totally charging overnight. I also have a pretty huge powerbank with me all day, so that shouldn't be a problem. On my current M7 though, when my screen is on, my battery even drains while charging
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vadsvads said:
Currently, I've got an HTC One M7, on which the battery lift has gotten quite horrible... Now I don't really know what to get - I've thought about these (In brackets my concerns about them)
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Why not just get your m7 battery changed then and stick with it ?
after two years its not going to be as good as new.

One Twelve said:
Why not just get your m7 battery changed then and stick with it ?
after two years its not going to be as good as new.
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The M7 is by no means a bad device but changing the battery is nearly impossible on that thing. Also, because of a hardware failure which affected the whole M7 series, all my low-light photos look like this which renders the camera totally unusable is some situation. The strongest reason for me wanting to get a new device is that my employer will pay it though, so I'm going to get a new phone anyways, it's just that i've only got a certain budget and the G4 would fit the bill, I think

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The M7 is by no means a bad device but changing the battery is nearly impossible on that thing. Also, because of a hardware failure which affected the whole M7 series, all my low-light photos look like this which renders the camera totally unusable is some situation.
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Service centre ? they do this work. replacing a camera module is no big deal either.
The strongest reason for me wanting to get a new device is that my employer will pay it though, so I'm going to get a new phone anyways, it's just that i've only got a certain budget and the G4 would fit the bill, I think
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What do you like about the G4 ? seems you are more interested in roms.

One Twelve said:
What do you like about the G4 ? seems you are more interested in roms.
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I'm not sure I'm even allowed to root the device since it's from my employer - Otherwise, the G4 is just an upgraded version of the G3, isn't it?
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vadsvads said:
I'm not sure I'm even allowed to root the device since it's from my employer - Otherwise, the G4 is just an upgraded version of the G3, isn't it?
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What made you choose LG ?

One Twelve said:
What made you choose LG ?
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Why do you wanna know? I just compared multiple phones (like the ones I already listed above) and I just like LGs approach when it comes to the removable battery and the choice to expand the storage via microSD
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vadsvads said:
Why do you wanna know? I just compared multiple phones (like the ones I already listed above) and I just like LGs approach when it comes to the removable battery and the choice to expand the storage via microSD
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That's what i wanted to know because some people don't care about that. Also you did not mention any other brands so was curious.
The G3 comes in two variants, 2 & 3GB RAM with storage of 16 & 32GB. The 3GB is the better choice. They did away with this in the G4 and its just 3GB and 32GB like the G2 and optimus G earlier for storage.
The G4 has a much better camera than the G3 which is the same one used in the G2 and flex models. The G3 is a capable auto shooter but the manual controls on the G4 mean more control and better low light ability. The aperture is 80% brighter.
The screen on the G4 is also better and brighter. This you will have to see for youself to decide. Then decide whether you are ok with the slight curve on the G4 that the G3 does not have. Roms will come in time but i see a number of people who are not bothered.
Have you seen the V10 ? will be more expensive since its 4GB and 64GB only. and the manual controls of the stills camera carry over to the video side as well. This right now isn't possible on the G4. The V10 is a little bigger though.
How much battery do you need ? mention your expected SOT/runtime.

I have H815 and have root, unlocked bootloader and flashed TWRP, please, get the G4. Getting a G3 is pointless. Think of the G4 as an optimised G3.

I had the g3 for a few days and it was full of lag and heat. Screen was also bad!
The G4 is a totally different phone. Everything about it is better except for size.

NocturnalDroid said:
I have H815 and have root, unlocked bootloader and flashed TWRP, please, get the G4. Getting a G3 is pointless. Think of the G4 as an optimised G3.
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Thanks for your feedback
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Have you seen the V10 ? will be more expensive since its 4GB and 64GB only. and the manual controls of the stills camera carry over to the video side as well. This right now isn't possible on the G4. The V10 is a little bigger though.
How much battery do you need ? mention your expected SOT/runtime.
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I did hear about the V10, of course, but that will, at least on release, be way out of my price range of about 400-500€ I can use from my employer. Also, I can't add from my own money because law restrictions and stuff.
Battery-wise, I'm quite the heavy user - I commute about 2 hours a day by bus and have the screen on almost all the time, but battery's not really a concern for me as I have a 13k mAh powerbank and the possibility to charge at work.
I was also considering a Galaxy Note 3 or 4, as they also have microsd and a swappable battery but meh, it's TouchWiz. Also it's a teeny tiny bit too expensive for my budget.
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Worth upgrade to oneplus 3?

Hi guys! I have a black lg v10 and I'm total satisfied but after I saw op 3 in reviews I liked it so much.
Does it worth to update it from v10? Please tell me your opinions.
Thank you.
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johnnyman25 said:
Hi guys! I have a black lg v10 and I'm total satisfied but after I saw op 3 in reviews I liked it so much.
Does it worth to update it from v10? Please tell me your opinions.
Thank you.
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Depends. V10 is an excellent phone but I guess the freedom that OP3 provides in terms of rooting and customization is better than V10. I upgraded from Note 4 for the same reason.

How is the camera m8?
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its been just 20 days since the launch and we have over a couple hundred threads with close to a million views. i guess that qualifies the worth of it.
so if u want a phone with awesome development, this is it after nexus of course.
and yeah camera is good too. m not a photomaniac but the overall performance i've gotten up until now doesn't leave me wanting more.

Camera, screen & sound ... LG
Interface, processor & dev ... Op3
You takes your pick

Thx for the fast answers friends. Can the camera shoot in 16:9 format without dropping megapixel?
Also the no sd card support is a big minus for me but 64gb sounds good.
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drummerman said:
Camera, screen & sound ... LG
Interface, processor & dev ... Op3
You takes your pick
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Honestly.. The OP3 camera is much better than the V10
*Until you count video quality LOL*
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johnnyman25 said:
Thx for the fast answers friends. Can the camera shoot in 16:9 format without dropping megapixel?
Also the no sd card support is a big minus for me but 64gb sounds good.
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Yes it drops the resolution when shooting in 16:9. But that being said I think the still image quality is very good.

humzaahmed155 said:
Honestly.. The OP3 camera is much better than the V10
*Until you count video quality LOL*
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Really the still camera shots are better that v10? Video quality not good? Because of bad ois?
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johnnyman25 said:
Really the still camera shots are better that v10? Video quality not good? Because of bad ois?
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I wouldn't say better but they are very close and I can't pick a winner between them. I think the sub par video quality is due to software issues which can be fixed in future updates. But this is just speculation.

Not worth it. Wait until they fix all bugs (which are many).
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Is this phone worth it?

Hi I'm planning to buy one for my next phone.
Is this worth it?
I'm limited by the price or I would go for the A70

I'm very pleased with this phone, only the camera is a little disappointing, coming from S8.
I guess 2 to 1 pixel binning doesn't work very well in 2d. A70 (and A51) have 4 to 1. S-series have larger pixels on the sensor, with only 12 MP more detail and less noise.

NoCo33 said:
I'm very pleased with this phone, only the camera is a little disappointing, coming from S8.
I guess 2 to 1 pixel binning doesn't work very well in 2d. A70 (and A51) have 4 to 1. S-series have larger pixels on the sensor, with only 12 MP more detail and less noise.
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That can be fixed via Software improvement.
But I'm thinking about the future development of this phone,,
I mean, will we get ROM and other supports by the Devs in the future...
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Wait for A51, it'll come out soon if it already isn't in your country. Better cameras and what's more important better fingerprint sensor.

BladeRunnerA2C said:
That can be fixed via Software improvement.
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Maybe, but I doubt it will happen. There were some camera updates already and it didn't improve much.
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But I'm thinking about the future development of this phone,,
I mean, will we get ROM and other supports by the Devs in the future...
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Devs don't seem to be very interested in supporting this phone for a number of reasons. So I'm not expecting any good custom roms soon.

NoCo33 said:
Maybe, but I doubt it will happen. There were some camera updates already and it didn't improve much.
Devs don't seem to be very interested in supporting this phone for a number of reasons. So I'm not expecting any good custom roms soon.
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Changed my mind ...
I'm going to Nokia 7.2
Sent from my Xperia 1 using XDA Labs

I bought it today, dont care about camera at all. What i need is good screen, and this phone have it. Never Xiaomi again, my Mi 9 Lite had issue with stupid touch delay on edges of the screen had to return it.
Lack of custom roms suck but i can live with One UI after debloating.