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Theoretically, would it be possible to physically upgrade the processor in the g2?

Like to say put one of the new mobile dual core processors in it.

No
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Just to expand a little, the processor is not socketed here like it is on most desktops and laptops, so it's not as simple as dropping in a new one. I think it's actually a BGA soldered down on the board.
From a pure theoretical standpoint, if there is a pinout compatible processor in the same BGA form-factor, you could remove the existing processor (cover everything else on the PCB with kapton tape, heat it in a special oven, pop off the BGA, clean off the solder pads) and then solder the new one down (precisely align the chip, a task typically handled by a machine during assembly, and then bake it in the oven again). I actually have seen technicians successfully replace BGAs by hand before (using tweezers, soldering irons, and heat guns no less), but the success rate is understandably not great.
So realistically, it's not possible...

and were it to be done, it could potentially either cost me a phone, or cost more than a phone to have done. What about replacing everything inside the phone? like, because i really like the look of my g2 more than anything. I mean dont get me wrong the speed is why i got it, but the look has certainly grown on me.

jenlow said:
and were it to be done, it could potentially either cost me a phone, or cost more than a phone to have done. What about replacing everything inside the phone? like, because i really like the look of my g2 more than anything. I mean dont get me wrong the speed is why i got it, but the look has certainly grown on me.
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I wouldnt think about it to much its almost imposible because even if you manage to replace the cpu on your g2 with a dual core its not gonna work because the board is not gonna support it and other componants too. its like trying to replace a celeron M on on a laptop with an i5 without changing your motherboard .
its gonna take a while for dual core smart phones to take of and by that time there is gonna be a successor for G2 that will look better. if you are not happy with the speed you are getting maybe you should look into trying different ROMs and kernels to OC .
and for changing everything in your phone all together where are you going to find a board and otherthings to fit into g2 easily ?
imho its just a bad idea

bahmanxda said:
I wouldnt think about it to much its almost imposible because even if you manage to replace the cpu on your g2 with a dual core its not gonna work because the board is not gonna support it and other componants too. its like trying to replace a celeron M on on a laptop with an i5 without changing your motherboard .
its gonna take a while for dual core smart phones to take of and by that time there is gonna be a successor for G2 that will look better. if you are not happy with the speed you are getting maybe you should look into trying different ROMs and kernels to OC .
and for changing everything in your phone all together where are you going to find a board and otherthings to fit into g2 easily ?
imho its just a bad idea
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I think he's just having a little buyer's remorse. Seeing as how those dual-core phones are in sight now I know I feel the same way, but all in all, the G2 is an awesome device and I don't think I'd trade it for that Tegra 2 garbage (yet )

With enough resources (skills/time/money) almost anything is theoretically possible, for example it's theoretically possible to turn a Honda Civic into a rear wheel drive sports car with a Corvette engine, but the effort and money it would cost would make doing so an unwise proposition.

in two years with g3 comes out itll have 4 cores. lol

Oh, buyers remorse is not the issue. I'm simply thinking of the future. My phone is hella fast now, i just know that the things they'll be able to do once they start really adding dual cores to phones are going to be downright ridiculous. I mean, my g2 is oc'd stably to 1.5 ghz up from 800 mhz. It's literally so fast that when i first got it it annoyed me, because everything happened instantly compared to my cliq. so accidental screen touches were common. But the reason why i ask, is because if the trend continues, In about 6 months we'll have ~1.3 ghz dual core processors in phones, with better video cards, and hella memory. And with 4g internet speeds becoming the norm. So the reason i ask, is because if you're phone is that fast, in the form factor of the g2, you could basically have your self the worlds most portable netbook. I would like this. ha ha. luckily i wouldnt have to wait too long, as i have an upgrade every year.
edited: because oh hell no was my phone running at 800ghz

You'll drive yourself nuts thinking like that. In another six months the tegra devices will be outdated, the best you can do is just get the best you can when you have the opportunity and wait for the next upgrade cycle. Just think, when all these tegra guys are still under contract, we'll be upgrading to a newer generation of processors. It's an endless cycle.
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Theoretically, you can make android run on a dead monkey's brain soaking in a bottle and all wired up.

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Theoretically, you can make android run on a dead monkey's brain soaking in a bottle and all wired up.
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So you have seen/used one of the Chinese Android Tablets then?

The qualcomm platform itself is designed to be able upgrade. For example the 7227 platform should be upgrade to 7230, without need pcb redesign. Just need to replace the main processor. That is what i know from one qualcomm representative.
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Physically, no. But you would wait to wait a year and get any of the new shiny devices with 3x ram 3x video card capability and 3x cpu over wasting time on upgrading a phones processor.. no?
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omarsalmin said:
I think he's just having a little buyer's remorse. Seeing as how those dual-core phones are in sight now I know I feel the same way, but all in all, the G2 is an awesome device and I don't think I'd trade it for that Tegra 2 garbage (yet )
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That screen shot from your phone that's in your signature looks amazing

Just remember what you need your phone to do. Not what's the best of the best. For me the reason I got a g2 is because my cliq didn't have flash and didn't run gba and snes as fast as id like. Once those two problems were solved I was very happy and am right now.
Sure once in a while I think it sucks that the nexus s hits higher benchmarks etc... but my phone does everything I want it to as of right now. So I am very content.
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So you have seen/used one of the Chinese Android Tablets then?
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ZING! lol nice one

Bricked my Nexus S, should i get a GNex now?

Is it still worth getting the Galaxy Nexus? should i wait until it has been dropped in price because of the new one or how much will the new Nexus be?
Money is tight and i live in australia, thanks.
Info: Nexus S has a cracked screen, wont respond to jig/unbrickable and i dont want to tamper with the inside.

Considering that we're (likely) a couple weeks away from knowing some good details on a next-generation Nexus device, I'd just hold off if you can. The Galaxy Nexus goes for about $400 internationally right now, but if it continues to be on sale when the new one comes out it'll surely drop in price. Not to mention that if you're willing to buy used you'll be able to get one for next to nothing.
If money is an issue then you're likely going to be looking at the Galaxy Nexus rather than the new one (unless Google does some crazy pricing), so I'd just wait a couple weeks and see.

If the specs we're seeing about the new Nexus are accurate, I'd stick with the GNex. 8MB of internal storage with no SD slot is a bit of a joke. You're also only looking at a moderate upgrade on the screen and processor, from what I've been hearing.
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It's always worth getting a Nexus.

Pierceye said:
If the specs we're seeing about the new Nexus are accurate, I'd stick with the GNex. 8GB of internal storage with no SD slot is a bit of a joke. You're also only looking at a moderate upgrade on the screen and processor, from what I've been hearing.
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We don't know the final storage options when the phone goes on sale, so I find it funny that people are already recommending against it based on what a prototype device has for storage. You'll also never seen an SDcard in a Nexus, so that's not even a knock on it.
We also don't know what the screen is like. LG is well known for very good IPS screens, so we'll see.
How is going from an OMAP4 to a S4 Pro quad-core a "moderate upgrade". Are you high?
Also, from 1GB to 2GB RAM is a good upgrade.
It all hinges on pricing and how much you're willing to spend, but if the LG Nexus turns out with the specs that we've seen, it's going to be a very worth-while upgrade.

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We don't know the final storage options when the phone goes on sale, so I find it funny that people are already recommending against it based on what a prototype device has for storage. You'll also never seen an SDcard in a Nexus, so that's not even a knock on it.
We also don't know what the screen is like. LG is well known for very good IPS screens, so we'll see.
How is going from an OMAP4 to a S4 Pro quad-core a "moderate upgrade". Are you high?
Also, from 1GB to 2GB RAM is a good upgrade.
It all hinges on pricing and how much you're willing to spend, but if the LG Nexus turns out with the specs that we've seen, it's going to be a very worth-while upgrade.
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Well its also LG and no amoled screen. I cant live without that.

aooga said:
Well its also LG and no amoled screen. I cant live without that.
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Gonna need a better argument than "well its also LG", as if LG is incapable of making good devices.
Why can't you live without AMOLED? What if the screen is clearer, brighter, and has no banding or graininess? Would you be able to live with that?
Again, don't see how people can judge a device that they've never seen or has even been released and reviewed.

xfuze said:
Is it still worth getting the Galaxy Nexus? should i wait until it has been dropped in price because of the new one or how much will the new Nexus be?
Money is tight and i live in australia, thanks.
Info: Nexus S has a cracked screen, wont respond to jig/unbrickable and i dont want to tamper with the inside.
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If money is tight, I'd recommend the gnex. But wait until the new ones out. Instant price drop, but if you can afford the new one, go for it!
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Also, from 1GB to 2GB RAM is a good upgrade.
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On paper, sure, realistically, doesn't make a difference.

martonikaj said:
We don't know the final storage options when the phone goes on sale, so I find it funny that people are already recommending against it based on what a prototype device has for storage. You'll also never seen an SDcard in a Nexus, so that's not even a knock on it.
We also don't know what the screen is like. LG is well known for very good IPS screens, so we'll see.
How is going from an OMAP4 to a S4 Pro quad-core a "moderate upgrade". Are you high?
Also, from 1GB to 2GB RAM is a good upgrade.
It all hinges on pricing and how much you're willing to spend, but if the LG Nexus turns out with the specs that we've seen, it's going to be a very worth-while upgrade.
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Take it easy. Neither the sarcasm or aggressive attitude are necessary. If you disagree with what I freely admit is an Opinion, great. I'm interested in your's. Let's have a discussion, like a forum is intended. But please, spare me the Billy-Bada$$ routine. I'm not impressed.
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Dude do u play ps3 with xgrinder 911 as a gamertag by any chance?
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martonikaj said:
Gonna need a better argument than "well its also LG", as if LG is incapable of making good devices.
Why can't you live without AMOLED? What if the screen is clearer, brighter, and has no banding or graininess? Would you be able to live with that?
Again, don't see how people can judge a device that they've never seen or has even been released and reviewed.
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Because no screen can ever have as deep blacks as AMOLED screens. And I've had a bad experience with LG. Their phones may be fine but the people who work for them aren't.

N3RD420 said:
Dude do u play ps3 with xgrinder 911 as a gamertag by any chance?
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i go by dafuze1 on ps3 and its fuze on xbox so nope sorry dude.
(In reply to everyone) thanks to all of your replies i love the galaxy nexus and i think ill go with that. will wait for the price drop though :good:

Pierceye said:
If the specs we're seeing about the new Nexus are accurate, I'd stick with the GNex. 8MB of internal storage with no SD slot is a bit of a joke. You're also only looking at a moderate upgrade on the screen and processor, from what I've been hearing.
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It's 8GB because what we saw was a prototype or whatever. I guarantee the final Nexus won't have only 8GB.... This was said like a million times by the way.
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Pipo M7 Pro vs Nexus 7 (flo)

Hey guys, so I'm going Tablet hunting and have come down with 2 leading candidates, the Pipo M7 Pro, a Chinese Tablet. or the Nexus 7 (2013).
The only thing that worries me is the development. As a Flashaholic I'd like a tablet with decent dev support, and I haven't seen any dev support for the Pipo M7 Pro.
Now, the Nexus 7 Multi touch and GPS/random reboot issues have me here at bay, making the debate a bit more intense.
I'll probably use my tablet for reading, school related work or gaming/listening to music (rarely though, I'll probably have my Galaxy Nexus for that which works fine really(or a Nexus 5 by the time it comes out ))
Any recommendations/Opinions/Point of views will be appreciated.
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Nexus 7, most of not all the "issues"with it are a very vocal minority, overflowing a small problem, of it were half as big an issue as they try to make ir to bbr, ir would be all the blogs
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Small, yes.
Vocal, yes.
Very real, though. And, to some degree, acknowledged by the powers that be at Google...
The people posting, including myself, have been through 2-3 of more N7 2013s.
It's the luck of the draw. It may only effect a few percent, but over the multi thousands sold, it's a percentage that needs to be taken seriously.
If you purchase one, be sure that it's from a seller offering a good return/exchange policy.

z0phi3l said:
Nexus 7, most of not all the "issues"with it are a very vocal minority, overflowing a small problem, of it were half as big an issue as they try to make ir to bbr, ir would be all the blogs
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Mostly every blog I've read mentions it. But I guess I'm just on that "unlucky and unconventional" part of the internet.
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Been thru quite a few "shows" ... the TF101, the 2012 Nexus 7 & now the 2013 Nexus 7...
I still don't hesitate a bit to buy one. Heck, I even wish there is a refurbished sales right now.

danvee said:
Small, yes.
Vocal, yes.
Very real, though. And, to some degree, acknowledged by the powers that be at Google...
The people posting, including myself, have been through 2-3 of more N7 2013s.
It's the luck of the draw. It may only effect a few percent, but over the multi thousands sold, it's a percentage that needs to be taken seriously.
If you purchase one, be sure that it's from a seller offering a good return/exchange policy.
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So it is a hardware issue? And not software related?
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Your guess is as good as theirs right now....

Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet. Their specs look great, benchmarks are great, but in reality they are far far apart when you use both side by side.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful. Since I got my Note 8 from repair, I dont use the X2 at all anymore.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.

Nutsonfire said:
Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.
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This Pipo M7 Pro isn't a fastest tablet in the world and after a bit of customizations is in real world usable. The screen is impressive, good battery, very good Wi-Fi and the firmware is stable. I don't regret my (old ) Nexus 7
M7 is great for browsing internet, reading books and multimedia but not too suited for video games.
I am satisfied but not enthusiastic.
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dpaganello said:
This Pipo M7 Pro isn't a fastest tablet in the world and after a bit of customizations is in real world usable. The screen is impressive, good battery, very good Wi-Fi and the firmware is stable. I don't regret my (old ) Nexus 7
M7 is great for browsing internet, reading books and multimedia but not too suited for video games.
I am satisfied but not enthusiastic.
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Thank you for your opinion.
Nutsonfire said:
Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet. Their specs look great, benchmarks are great, but in reality they are far far apart when you use both side by side.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful. Since I got my Note 8 from repair, I dont use the X2 at all anymore.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.
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Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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Jimlarck said:
Thank you for your opinion.
Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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First,
I agree with the above line in bold.
Second,
If you aren't in a hurry to buy a tablet, I'd wait to see what the TegraTab and the LG G Pad 8.3 end up being like. That's what I'm going to do when I return/exchange my N7 flo for the 3rd time. I'm on my 2nd one now, so hopefully the 3rd try will be the the charm! I expect both those options to be more expensive, but if either of them is within 100 of the 32gb N7 flo (as long as it's 32gb or 16gb with a microsd), then I'll probably give it a shot.
Third,
If you absolutely want a tablet right now, I can't recommend the N7 in good conscience. Having had two with the same exact issue(multitouch), I would say the odds are pretty good that you'd get one with the same issue. That said, if the N7 is what you like and you don't mind potentially returning/exchanging it, get one. Just be sure to buy from somewhere with a good return/exchange program. I've had pretty good luck with Best Buy so far, as well as Amazon. I'd choose Best Buy if there's one near you for ease of returning/exchanging, i.e. no wait time.
Good Luck!

Jimlarck said:
Thank you for your opinion.
Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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I have one of the latest and greatest Chinese tabs as I write in my post.
Yes they are better then what they used to be but they still lack in some aspects. These tabs using the RK3188 chip in real life are just not want the benchmarks want you to believe. The Chinese keep cutting corners where they shouldn't and it shows. So yeah it looks like you get a lot for 200$ but when you use it you understand why its cheaper.
It's no surprise that all the high end Chinese tabs and phones end up using Qualcomm and Samsung CPUs and cost almost the same as brand name stuff.

Nutsonfire said:
I have one of the latest and greatest Chinese tabs as I write in my post.
Yes they are better then what they used to be but they still lack in some aspects. These tabs using the RK3188 chip in real life are just not want the benchmarks want you to believe. The Chinese keep cutting corners where they shouldn't and it shows. So yeah it looks like you get a lot for 200$ but when you use it you understand why its cheaper.
It's no surprise that all the high end Chinese tabs and phones end up using Qualcomm and Samsung CPUs and cost almost the same as brand name stuff.
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Since when are benchmarks actually safe, legitimate and trustworthy?
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Jimlarck said:
Since when are benchmarks actually safe, legitimate and trustworthy?
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They are not, but fans of Chinese stuff like to go crazy about them and use them to compare with brand name products. If I see two products with similar scores I would expect similar function but clearly it's not the case.
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I had Asus Infinity TF700T before, but I was very disappointed about the build quality and the lagging of the device. I hated that tab every moment. I didn't install custom rom because it required unlocking the device and loosing the warranty. So I sold it and bought Pipo M7pro.
I like the screen and size of the tablet and this is much faster and smoother than Asus TF700. Also the build quality is better than on Asus, which had loose screen even repaired three times for warranty.
Multi window feature is pretty cool! Check the video from youtube.
I'm really satisfied of this cheap Chinese tab!
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So after reading some of your messages and doing some more research on my own. I've decided to wait until October, if the Nexus 7 multitouch problems have been resolved (they're addressing the problem at their warehouses/manufacturers or fixed it on an update) I'll buy it, if not, then Pipo M7 Pro will have to be my choice.
Really like the N7 but what use is there buying it when chances are that I'll get a broken Tablet, no, I can wait, I trust Google that they'll resolve this soon, it isn't the first time they've encountered a problem with manufacturers, like the N4 for example, with the infamous exploding back(I did think it was spontaneous and comical so I did have a laugh about it, hopefully the owners got a replacement though)
Thank you all for your messages and opinions. Especially those who gave their completely unbiased opinion and thoughts.
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Jimlarck said:
So after reading some of your messages and doing some more research on my own. I've decided to wait until October, if the Nexus 7 multitouch problems have been resolved (they're addressing the problem at their warehouses/manufacturers or fixed it on an update) I'll buy it, if not, then Pipo M7 Pro will have to be my choice.
Really like the N7 but what use is there buying it when chances are that I'll get a broken Tablet, no, I can wait, I trust Google that they'll resolve this soon, it isn't the first time they've encountered a problem with manufacturers, like the N4 for example, with the infamous exploding back(I did think it was spontaneous and comical so I did have a laugh about it, hopefully the owners got a replacement though)
Thank you all for your messages and opinions. Especially those who gave their completely unbiased opinion and thoughts.
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I think the Chinese phones and tablets may have some issues but then again so do other phones. In my opinion it is best to wait for a very comprehensive review before you buy. And only buy from a near-by supplier that is willing to take it back if it is faulty, do not buy direct from China because it is unlikely to get your money back, plus the shipping costs and customs would make it uneconomical to return items.
For example, a year ago I bought a Chinese phone, with superb specifications. It seems to have two faults (at least). First, it is very fussy with the SD card, many applications do not work with it and especially GPS Navigation applications that store huge maps on the SD card. Secondly the GPS receiver is either broken or simply very, very bad. My dedicated Garmin GPS, my wife's iPhone4, my son's Samsung S3 : they all lock on to the GPS almost instantly. The Chinese phone needs to be absolutely stand still for like 5-10 minutes before it can lock on. Completely useless in the car for example, I have to stop the car, and then wait 5-10 minutes so it can lock.
Someone said above that high-end Chinese phones and tabs use Qualcomm and Samsung parts and not their own. Well, no **** Sherlock! That qualifies as one of the most idiotic statements I have read. Every single electronic device in the world uses parts made by various/hundreds of other manufacturers. This has always been the case. I would not expect the Pipo M7 Pro to have components made by Pipo - and it does not matter anyway. My Sony VAIO laptop does not use a "SONY" CPU, or chipset, or GPU, or memory, or capacitors, or resistors, actually I doubt that a single component inside my laptop is actually made by Sony, except perhaps the badge!!!

I have to say, I bought the 2012 N7 as well as my 2013 and both were flawless from the start. My fiancee got my 2012 when i bought my new one and it's still going strong. The only issue I have at all with the 2013 is a delayed wake when using a magnetic cover. That's obviously a software issue, as leaving Bluetooth on fixes the problem.
Oh and Zilliman, your Chinese phone sounds like my old Samsung Captivate. That thing had the worst GPS I've ever seen. Developers worked hard to fix it but it was never very good. Completely useless even when walking, let alone driving.
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RKight said:
I have to say, I bought the 2012 N7 as well as my 2013 and both were flawless from the start. My fiancee got my 2012 when i bought my new one and it's still going strong. The only issue I have at all with the 2013 is a delayed wake when using a magnetic cover. That's obviously a software issue, as leaving Bluetooth on fixes the problem.
Oh and Zilliman, your Chinese phone sounds like my old Samsung Captivate. That thing had the worst GPS I've ever seen. Developers worked hard to fix it but it was never very good. Completely useless even when walking, let alone driving.
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Here's a problem for those with N7 Pro : the speakers crackle at high volume.

Do not buy M7 Pro
OK I guess finally I may have something to help after getting so many helps from this nice forum.
I live in China and I'd say I'm quite familiar with Chinese tablets and nexus devices. (proud owner of both types) I've yet to find a Chinese native brand tablet that marches either Nexus 7's build quality or OS stability. (always search for teardown pics before decision) Usually they have small problems here or there, but you don't have a bug list and workaround thread in a good forum simply because they don't have enough users.
There are worth buying Chinese tablets though. They are usually much cheaper than Nexus 7, don't have fatal problems, have good user base and forums to post workarounds of those small issues, and recently they start to come in so many varieties of screen size. (there used to be a time when they are mainly 7" widescreen, before the mighty Nexus 7's arrival.)
IMHO if you prefer 7" tablet, just grab the new Nexus 7. If not, don't buy M7 Pro for the following reasons:
1 Rockchip is not as friendly to devs as its rival SoC company Allwinner. I can find unofficial CM10.2 on AllWinner platform but I find almost nothing on Rockchip;
2 RK3188 seems strong, but in practice it's not a good chip for HD "Retina" display due to poor design choice of a single channel 32bit memory controller, which results a memory bandwidth that nearly kills GPU performance. BTW that's just a fraction of bandwidth compared to the new Nexus 7. I heard the GPU performance is so poor that even stock launcher can't go butterly smooth.
However RK3188 + a 1024*768 display is fine.
Summary: don't buy RK3188+HD display like the M7 Pro; strongly recommend new Nexus 7
correction: No Chinese SoC performs well on 1080p display. I'd guess 720p is the limit.
Hope it helps

Best 2015 device for root/ROM?

So obviously VZN and ATT lock em up pretty tight, but T-Mobile's G4 will hopefully have an unlockable bootloader. So the question is, assuming that happens, which 2015 device do you think will have the best Dev community? I think the G4 has a lot of potential. It's one of the few devices with a Qualcomm chip... and one that doesn't overheat... plus it has a removable SD card slot, a removable battery, a great screen, a very good camera and an interesting back cover. Obviously the One M9 has a solid dev community. What Chinese phones will make it to the US? They often times have unlockable bootloaders, right? My only concern there is security. What do you guys think,?

The best development community will always be whichever Nexus phone is the current model.

partylikeaninjastar said:
The best development community will always be whichever Nexus phone is the current model.
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The Nexus range is a flashaholics dream. I have a phone I use as a daily and a Nexus 6 just for my flashaholism.

The prob with the Nexus 6 is the SoC, camera, size, etc. The G4 is better in so many ways... Ymmv

jagman96 said:
The prob with the Nexus 6 is the SoC, camera, size, etc. The G4 is better in so many ways... Ymmv
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With exception of probably a better camera on the lg4, not too sure about the others. That is subjective. N6 is blazing fast and the right size for many of us.
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The prob with the Nexus 6 is the SoC, camera, size, etc. The G4 is better in so many ways... Ymmv
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im with this guy. G4 all da way !! :good::good::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:

markwebb said:
With exception of probably a better camera on the lg4, not too sure about the others. That is subjective. N6 is blazing fast and the right size for many of us.
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I just find it interesting that Google released LP on a Nexus device with a 32bit chip despite talking up the 64bit capability of LP. I want this next phone to last me a minimum of 12 months but preferably 18-24 and I think apps within the next 6-12 months will start to take advantage of 64 bit processing. With the G4 I love the ability to replace the battery, add an ext SD card, use Quick Charge 2.0, have the improved screen that is apparently not too battery abusive and get wireless charging with the folio cover. Plus I have this probably unfounded hunch that Quick Charge 2.0 might decrease the batteries lifetime. Since the G4 has a replaceable battery that is a non issue.
Edit: the camera looks pretty impressive, too.

jagman96 said:
The prob with the Nexus 6 is the SoC, camera, size, etc. The G4 is better in so many ways... Ymmv
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Currently the best phone of 2015 ?
Overall?
Got to be the G4. No doubt.

At the moment the G4 is the best what u can get for sure....
But saw some teasers from Oneplus... Curious what the have to offer... Only the invitation system sucks.
Only minus... There is not much activity here... Hope when the other bootloaders are unlocked (mine is) developers will provide us nice candy's.
Always had HTC which were unlocked in a few days. And busy community on XDA.

Loved my S3 but thinking of upgrading

Easy, lightweight, slides right into my pocket, light enough to run wth, fell multiple times without breaking (although against swimming pool cement it did last week after 2.5 years). Need a new phone, I am thinking of the Galaxy S5 active as Ican upgrade on ATT, but I am a little dissappointed by the fact that there doesn't seem to be newer battery technology, and the existing battery technology advanced have been mulled by what I see as increases in hardware and processing power, pixel density that aren't really needed on a mobile device.
What is a good upgrade phone as far as ergonomics, battery life, and original development/replacement battery/memory card from the Galaxy S3?

I am using the ZenFone 2 and so far loving it, great processor, 4gb ram, fast charging and a great price
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I was thinking about upgrading to the nexus 5 or the HTC One M8 (its just so dam beautiful!) Those are phones I would recomend
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jimchee said:
I am using the ZenFone 2 and so far loving it, great processor, 4gb ram, fast charging and a great price
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Is it similar to the GS3 in terms of size and weight? That's what the OP is asking about.
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gfinockio said:
Is it similar to the GS3 in terms of size and weight? That's what the OP is asking about.
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The Zenfone 2 is bigger than the GS3 at 5.5" screen size, but most phones fall somewhere in the 5 - 5.5" bracket these days unless you're buying the mini variant. The Zenfone 2 is about 30% heavier too, but between the larger form factor and a battery that is about 1/3 larger than the S3 the extra weight is definitely accounted for with features.
I was afraid the Atom processor might hold back the Zenfone 2 development scene, but I just recently read that at least one of the Zenfone 2 variants now has a CM 12.1 alpha. That didn't take long, but time will tell how custom ROMs actually perform on the device vs. stock because we know Asus and Intel will never release the complete x86_64 code. The price point on them is great for the hardware you get. I've been thinking really hard about picking one up myself. However, my old reliable S3 is really still working just fine and running Android 5.1.1 thanks to all the hardworking devs. I just can't convince myself that it is time for a change.
If running a desktop OS on your phone appeals to you, the Intel processor in the Zenfone 2 lends itself pretty well to that apparently. This could be nice trick if you have to interface anything that absolutely requires Micro$oft like corporate/business stuff. If I ever pick one up I might make a run at something like this with a lightweight Linux distro like Porteus.
Very cool phone for the $.

jason2678 said:
The Zenfone 2 is bigger than the GS3 at 5.5" screen size, but most phones fall somewhere in the 5 - 5.5" bracket these days unless you're buying the mini variant. The Zenfone 2 is about 30% heavier too, but between the larger form factor and a battery that is about 1/3 larger than the S3 the extra weight is definitely accounted for with features.
I was afraid the Atom processor might hold back the Zenfone 2 development scene, but I just recently read that at least one of the Zenfone 2 variants now has a CM 12.1 alpha. That didn't take long, but time will tell how custom ROMs actually perform on the device vs. stock because we know Asus and Intel will never release the complete x86_64 code. The price point on them is great for the hardware you get. I've been thinking really hard about picking one up myself. However, my old reliable S3 is really still working just fine and running Android 5.1.1 thanks to all the hardworking devs. I just can't convince myself that it is time for a change.
If running a desktop OS on your phone appeals to you, the Intel processor in the Zenfone 2 lends itself pretty well to that apparently. This could be nice trick if you have to interface anything that absolutely requires Micro$oft like corporate/business stuff. If I ever pick one up I might make a run at something like this with a lightweight Linux distro like Porteus.
Very cool phone for the $.
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How about battery life that is the biggest thing for me with the form factor

zetsui said:
How about battery life that is the biggest thing for me with the form factor
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I haven't broke down and bought one yet, so I can't comment. Maybe go ask over in their forum.
I still have my eye on them. The zenfone 2 will probably still be my next purchase unless something more promising comes out between now and then. That's a beast of a phone for $200 - $300.
I'm on AT&T and their phones are a parade of locked down Samsung, LG, and Apple devices, and the AT&T Next thing that they push you towards is really just a payment plan if you do the math. They don't even really subsidize phones anymore. You'll come out way ahead by buying a zenfone 2 or maybe another cheap, used unlocked phone and adding it to their network, and you won't have to deal with their attempts to lock down your device. I'd defect entirely to Straight Talk or some other MVNO, but I haven't convinced the family that it's a good idea just yet.

jason2678 said:
I haven't broke down and bought one yet, so I can't comment. Maybe go ask over in their forum.
I still have my eye on them. The zenfone 2 will probably still be my next purchase unless something more promising comes out between now and then. That's a beast of a phone for $200 - $300.
I'm on AT&T and their phones are a parade of locked down Samsung, LG, and Apple devices, and the AT&T Next thing that they push you towards is really just a payment plan if you do the math. They don't even really subsidize phones anymore. You'll come out way ahead by buying a zenfone 2 or maybe another cheap, used unlocked phone and adding it to their network, and you won't have to deal with their attempts to lock down your device. I'd defect entirely to Straight Talk or some other MVNO, but I haven't convinced the family that it's a good idea just yet.
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Nah it's still pretty subsdizied especially if you can sell the upgraded phone two years down the line.

Hate to say it but a new phone in the same size category will be tough to fill as most screens are pretty large. Closest thing is probably the moto x, but it is older and you sacrifice removable battery. The LG G3 and G4 sorry removable batteries and had memory expansion but they are considerably larger.

jimchee said:
I am using the ZenFone 2 and so far loving it, great processor, 4gb ram, fast charging and a great price
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Friend sold me his gs3 and he got a zenfone 2..he loves it.