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Greetings,
I recently upgraded to the Galaxy Nexus from my modded thundebolt running Cyanogen, both on Verizon.
This phone despite rave reviews has been a huge disappointment to me.
Battery Life This is an issue highlighted on this forum and all over the web. This phone's battery life is significantly worse than the Thunderbolt was out of the box. The latter was solved with a root and cyanogen install. I certainly hope the same can be said of the Nexus. As a medical professional, this device is simply unusable. I am currently getting less than 4 hours. The device is always running hot, as if some program is chewing through the battery, but a fix is elusive at this point. I have tried two nexus phones at this point.
Speed Another big disappointment. I have once again tried two devices, both with the quick OTA update. The device is extremely sluggish in virtually every regard. Opening programs, sliding through menus. I have actually tested my thunderbolt against the nexus on opening and running many different programs, from games, some of which are unplayable on the Nexus (may be an ICS issue) to opening simple email like gmail. The Thunderbolt is significantly faster and smoother. I admit I am a bit mistified by this one, hearing so many with rave reviews of the speed. I am not sure if this is because others are coming from much older devices or if there really is a speed issue. The Thunderbolt was clearly much faster in every regard. Again two separate
Vibrate This is a major issue for me, being in the medical profession. The device doubles as my pager, and missing pages can obviously be dangerous to my patients. I have again tested and confirmed this on two separate Nexus devices.
Voice to Text The google engine that transcribes on the fly only works with the android keyboard. Further, I have found it to be much less accurate than my thunderbolt using flex t9. I even tried the latter on the nexus, reproducing many of these problems. Not sure if this is a microphone issue on the nexus.
Games Some are simply unplayable. This may be a native problem to ICS, but my favorite game, frozen bubble plus is no longer a viable time waster.
Camera The concerns about this are well justified. It does fine in sunlight, but anything with a flash is absolutely horrid and unusable. For those who enjoy sharing a quick photo via facebook, texting, whatsapp, picasa etc, you are seriously going to be disappointed. The focus is inconsistent, and the flash over saturates the pictures. Major step behind the Thunderbolt.
There are other annoyances. Long pressing a text box allows you to change input method.
I haven't figured out if you can assign an on screen "hardware" button to a task by long pressing like you can on the thunderbolt. I have the find key on my thunderbolt assigned to the voice command. So I can long press on it and text, email, search directions etc with one simple long press. I don't see an easy way to do this on the Nexus, another major inconvenience.
In fact the only way I see to use the voice capabilities is to keep the google search bar on the home screen. I don't see the program even listed in the apps.
Perhaps many of these issues can be addressed in an upgrade, but this device's starting point is very disappointing to me, worse than the bolt.
4 hours?
I don't know what to say to any of that.
First, I easily get 18-25 hours DAILY depending on how much I use the phone. And I'd like to point on that I am a HEAVY texter (girlfriend ). Maybe you have the LTE version? I'm sure you would get ****ty battery life on LTE all the time and inside of a hospital with low reception.
Second, this has got to be the the fastest and most "fluid" device I have ever owned. I come from a dualcore Tegra 2 G2x, and the Galaxy Nexus just blows it out of the water. There is no comparison. Needless to say, I've also owned a Nexus One, Samsung Vibrant, and a G2 (The G2 with a processor most closest to your Thunderbolt).
Third, the phone vibrates just fine in my experience. If you're having troubles with it, put your incoming call ringtone on silent and raise your notification ringtone volume. That way you don't have to worry about a random call disturbing the peace.
Fourth, you must remember this is a Google Nexus device. Most games come optimized for Nexus devices. Give it time, your favorite games will be updated. In the mean time, there are plenty of other games you could play (Age of Zombies? )
Fifth, are you really going to complain about the focusing? The Galaxy Nexus has an instant shutter speed. If you want a better focus, how about you hold onto the shutter button before releasing it instantly?
I don't know about changing the input method via long press since the stock keyboard is the best I've ever used on an android device.
If you really do need a "hardware" search button, just apply a mod. If not, then just press home and it's there right at the top. Seems pretty convenient to me
I'd just like to point out to you that most of these "issues" will never be fixed as they are UPGRADES from the previous versions of android. Sorry
I am indeed an LTE user on Verizon. The battery problem seems to be real, as documented on this forum and elsewhere.
Good to hear you are doing so well, implying that there is some kind of drain issue isolated to the verizon LTE launch.
I am coming from a Thunderbolt, and while the device isn't slow, the rooted/modded bolt was significantly faster at launching gmail, yahoo mail, go sms texting, facebook etc... I suspect that this too will be fixed, but its frustrating that a more powerful device on paper is actually performing worse than an almost year old device.
Any other Thunderbolt users notice the lag on the nexus that I am referring to?
The vibrate feature is perhaps a matter of personal preference. What is fine for you, may not be nearly enough for others. I will try your suggestions though and appreciate it. I prefer to have my device in my pocket, and need to feel the vibrations as they are often emergent pages. Again, the vibration issue seems to be a real problem documented hear and elsewhere on the web.
The camera issue isn't about the speed, which is impressive. The problem is too many photos don't focus properly. The bolt took terrific pictures in comparison albeit at a slower pace. Flash photography indoors is not even passable in my opinion. Perhaps this latter problem can be or has been fixed in 3rd party camera applications. I am just not aware of any at the moment.
The gaming issue concerns me the least. I agree that this will likely be fixed with updated games quickly. I only raised it because my number one favorite game was affected!
Assigning voice capabilities to a long press is a real convenience on the bolt. I don't even have to look at the screen to make it text, email, call, find directions, do a google search, or launch an application. While you may find an alternative "easy" isn't he whole point about android the UI and being able to customize it to your hearts content. I am 100% confident that this will be addressed in some modification or add on program, but it is not easily done now.
Thanks for your kind thoughts.
I'm coming from a Thunderbolt and I noticed the slow responsiveness when calling on some apps in the Nexus right away. I guess my expectations were pretty high from the get go. I'll give it some time, The developers put a lot of work into the Tbolt to get it to perform fast, I'm sure the same will happen with the Nexus.
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The problem is you came from a device that had development optimization for almost 10 months to a brand new development phone. If you were running a stock Thunderbolt the whole time, you would more notice the difference between the two phones. I also came from a thunderbolt running MIUI ICS and Eternity ROMS, I can tell that this phone is significantly better in every respect but the camera. But, as a phone, I don't expect the camera to be awesome. The vibrate is more elegant on this phone compared to TBs brutal shock of a vibrate, I still feel it just fine.
Your other annoyances sound more like trivial irritations rather than actual device problems, aside from the battery in which case I would say turn off LTE and it would last longer. Changing the hardware buttons wasnt a stock feature on any android phone, that was part of development. People forget that these devices take a dew days to a week for battery to run properly and once development takes off, this phone will be a monster in a month's time when everything is better optimized and features are added.
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chocoyo00 said:
I'm coming from a Thunderbolt and I noticed the slow responsiveness when calling on some apps in the Nexus right away. I guess my expectations were pretty high from the get go. I'll give it some time, The developers put a lot of work into the Tbolt to get it to perform fast, I'm sure the same will happen with the Nexus.
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I was really surprised because the responsiveness of this device has been one of the big selling features. I agree that this will likely be corrected with OTA updates and modded devices, but out of the box I was expecting it to be faster than my nearly one year old Thunderbolt, and was disappointed it wasn't.
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The problem is you came from a device that had development optimization for almost 10 months to a brand new development phone. If you were running a stock Thunderbolt the whole time, you would more notice the difference between the two phones. I also came from a thunderbolt running MIUI ICS and Eternity ROMS, I can tell that this phone is significantly better in every respect but the camera. But, as a phone, I don't expect the camera to be awesome. The vibrate is more elegant on this phone compared to TBs brutal shock of a vibrate, I still feel it just fine.
Your other annoyances sound more like trivial irritations rather than actual device problems, aside from the battery in which case I would say turn off LTE and it would last longer. Changing the hardware buttons wasnt a stock feature on any android phone, that was part of development. People forget that these devices take a dew days to a week for battery to run properly and once development takes off, this phone will be a monster in a month's time when everything is better optimized and features are added.
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I agree that many of these issues can be corrected. When I bought my bolt, battery life was dreadful. After a quick root and cyanogen install, it was resolved. But out of the box, it still was a more polished experience than this device is.
These may be "trivial irritations" to you, but they are significant to me. I am looking for the most complete and polished smartphone experience. The nexus promised everything, and has not delivered as of yet in my experience. In fact there is really very little it has lived up to judging by the hype.
Clearly there are others with similar problems. I hope and expect many/most to be fixed.
This may be germane to those of us coming from an optimized Bolt, which is still a very worthy piece of hardware. I cant speak for other devices, as the only other android device I have extensive experience is the original droid incredible, which ironically is still fantastic and faster in many ways to the new Nexus in my experience.
At this point, very little of the promised features and experience have lived up to expectations. Perhaps the hype was too great, but I am hopeful this all will be fixed with software updates.
I hope people don't take this as a personal attack on the device, as I know many feel passionate about such things.
well, hardware wise the Nexus is superior to the Thunderbolt and almost as good as the Rezound. I think the main issue right now is ICS. i notice its still very buggy and lots of apps i used to use either dont support ICS or have issues running on ICS. its just a matter of time before everything is running properly.
Brand new Operating System, on a brand new phone. You have had the phone all of 4 days and expect it to be perfect already. I think you need to give it some time. You already said yourseld you modded your TB. Expect the same with this phone. And when and on a new OS you can not expect every app to work immediately. Looks like you should of waited a month to get the phone, or go back to the TB for another month and hold onto the Nexus. I currently have a TB myself.
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well, hardware wise the Nexus is superior to the Thunderbolt and almost as good as the Rezound. I think the main issue right now is ICS. i notice its still very buggy and lots of apps i used to use either dont support ICS or have issues running on ICS. its just a matter of time before everything is running properly.
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I suspect you are correct. I was just surprised that virtually nothing that was promised on this device has been realized at launch. I am used to new phones being buggy, but virtually every aspect of this device has fallen short at launch and not consistent with the reviews.
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Brand new Operating System, on a brand new phone. You have had the phone all of 4 days and expect it to be perfect already. I think you need to give it some time. You already said yourseld you modded your TB. Expect the same with this phone. And when and on a new OS you can not expect every app to work immediately. Looks like you should of waited a month to get the phone, or go back to the TB for another month and hold onto the Nexus. I currently have a TB myself.
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I never said I expected it to be perfect. That is an unreasonable expectation of any device, even one that has matured and polished over time.
I do expect a flagship device to deliver on some of what was promised. This device has delivered on very few promises at launch. So far disappointed, but very hopeful it will be fixed.
makes me appreciate my hspa th even more
priapos said:
I never said I expected it to be perfect. That is an unreasonable expectation of any device, even one that has matured and polished over time.
I do expect a flagship device to deliver on some of what was promised. This device has delivered on very few promises at launch. So far disappointed, but very hopeful it will be fixed.
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But there are bugs with any device, especially on a new OS. Look at apple, they know how to bring new devices to market, but at launch iOS 5 was plagued with bugs, most notable was the battery drain.
But what promises hasn't the Nexus kept? I'm a little curious. Because to me, the Nexus line promises to bring the best hardware and software in terms of functionality, and to me the phone doesn't fall short of any expectations.
To each his own, right?
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I am indeed an LTE user on Verizon. The battery problem seems to be real, as documented on this forum and elsewhere.
Good to hear you are doing so well, implying that there is some kind of drain issue isolated to the verizon LTE launch.
I am coming from a Thunderbolt, and while the device isn't slow, the rooted/modded bolt was significantly faster at launching gmail, yahoo mail, go sms texting, facebook etc... I suspect that this too will be fixed, but its frustrating that a more powerful device on paper is actually performing worse than an almost year old device.
Any other Thunderbolt users notice the lag on the nexus that I am referring to?
The vibrate feature is perhaps a matter of personal preference. What is fine for you, may not be nearly enough for others. I will try your suggestions though and appreciate it. I prefer to have my device in my pocket, and need to feel the vibrations as they are often emergent pages. Again, the vibration issue seems to be a real problem documented hear and elsewhere on the web.
The camera issue isn't about the speed, which is impressive. The problem is too many photos don't focus properly. The bolt took terrific pictures in comparison albeit at a slower pace. Flash photography indoors is not even passable in my opinion. Perhaps this latter problem can be or has been fixed in 3rd party camera applications. I am just not aware of any at the moment.
The gaming issue concerns me the least. I agree that this will likely be fixed with updated games quickly. I only raised it because my number one favorite game was affected!
Assigning voice capabilities to a long press is a real convenience on the bolt. I don't even have to look at the screen to make it text, email, call, find directions, do a google search, or launch an application. While you may find an alternative "easy" isn't he whole point about android the UI and being able to customize it to your hearts content. I am 100% confident that this will be addressed in some modification or add on program, but it is not easily done now.
Thanks for your kind thoughts.
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you cant compare a rooted device with a custom rom and kernel to one that is just rooted stock, its like comparing my old droid 1 to the galaxy nexus, your not comparing apples to apples
now maybe it could be that i came from the droid x(rooted and running cm7) but this phone is just amazing compared to my droid x and my og droid
sure i lost some features like longpress to search but i gained so many new ones(face unlock, 4g, google wallet, ect.) that i see they weigh out the loss of that feature, just my $0.02 though
battery on the other hand though is really bad, i will get about 5-6 hours at most(im a heavy user though) i just reset my battery stats for the first time though so im gonna hope that fixes it, have you though about getting the extended battery?
I put the extended battery in yesterday and made my way home from my best friend's place (a 3 hour drive). I listened to music via Poweramp over the car stereo for 2 hours and 15 minutes of the drive and then took a 45 minute phone call. Checked the battery after all that and the Gnex was at 71% battery. My guess is those of you with issues have some rogue app blowing your battery up. And comparisons with the Thunderbolt? My friend's brother in law had a loaner Thunderbolt he got from VZW whilst waiting for a new phone to come in as warranty replacement. It was running the stock ROM. The Nexus is crazily significantly faster than a stock TB. Reiterating the point of others, just wait til the devs get 10 months of development time on the Nexus - hell, give them 2 weeks and come to us and tell us how the phone is versus the TB. I had a Rezound. Great phone, but lack of S-Off (root) and dev support is why I jumped ship back to the Nexus.
I just sold my Thunderbolt, and I don't have any speed issues with the device whatsoever. It is much, much quicker than the Thunderbolt.
My launch TB had horrific battery life. I guarantee yours did too. Only after significant modding and kernel work for months was the TB acceptable with battery life. While I agree battery life stinks right now, it will get much better, and much quicker than the TB did.
One of your programs isn't compatible with ICS and it is sucking up your battery by running all the time. Try to find out what it is.
Games/apps need to be rewritten to be compatible with ICS. Give it time.
After a month or two, this phone is going to be twice as good than it is now. We already have Google Wallet available after 3 days! It is just going to get better.
Download "Camera ZOOM Fx" and your photos will be a lot more detailed and colorful
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I just sold my Thunderbolt, and I don't have any speed issues with the device whatsoever. It is much, much quicker than the Thunderbolt.
My launch TB had horrific battery life. I guarantee yours did too. Only after significant modding and kernel work for months was the TB acceptable with battery life. While I agree battery life stinks right now, it will get much better, and much quicker than the TB did.
One of your programs isn't compatible with ICS and it is sucking up your battery by running all the time. Try to find out what it is.
Games/apps need to be rewritten to be compatible with ICS. Give it time.
After a month or two, this phone is going to be twice as good than it is now. We already have Google Wallet available after 3 days! It is just going to get better.
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I agree that the battery life on the original Bolt was terrible. The starting point of the Nexus in my opinion is many leagues worse. Today I had to recharge my device 4 times. The last time was after it drained in just over 49 minutes!!
The device has been wiped and factory default, so anything that is sucking up the juice, came with the phone. Its incomprehensible that Google would launch a device with a built in program using this much juice.
Given the comments in this thread, I just spent the past half hour testing an unrooted Bolt, bought the exam same day, from the exact same store as mine. The device was quicker than my Nexus in virtually every regard. Launching gmail, yahoo mail, browser, go sms texting, scrolling, opening settings... You get the point.
I agree the device will get better. It cant get much worse in this regard.
I will be quick to root and install cyanogen.
I am very disappointed at this time, but look forward to brighter future for the device.
45 minutes? something is wrong with your phone or you are on the edge of LTE signal
priapos said:
I am indeed an LTE user on Verizon. The battery problem seems to be real, as documented on this forum and elsewhere.
Good to hear you are doing so well, implying that there is some kind of drain issue isolated to the verizon LTE launch.
I am coming from a Thunderbolt, and while the device isn't slow, the rooted/modded bolt was significantly faster at launching gmail, yahoo mail, go sms texting, facebook etc... I suspect that this too will be fixed, but its frustrating that a more powerful device on paper is actually performing worse than an almost year old device.
Any other Thunderbolt users notice the lag on the nexus that I am referring to?
The vibrate feature is perhaps a matter of personal preference. What is fine for you, may not be nearly enough for others. I will try your suggestions though and appreciate it. I prefer to have my device in my pocket, and need to feel the vibrations as they are often emergent pages. Again, the vibration issue seems to be a real problem documented hear and elsewhere on the web.
The camera issue isn't about the speed, which is impressive. The problem is too many photos don't focus properly. The bolt took terrific pictures in comparison albeit at a slower pace. Flash photography indoors is not even passable in my opinion. Perhaps this latter problem can be or has been fixed in 3rd party camera applications. I am just not aware of any at the moment.
The gaming issue concerns me the least. I agree that this will likely be fixed with updated games quickly. I only raised it because my number one favorite game was affected!
Assigning voice capabilities to a long press is a real convenience on the bolt. I don't even have to look at the screen to make it text, email, call, find directions, do a google search, or launch an application. While you may find an alternative "easy" isn't he whole point about android the UI and being able to customize it to your hearts content. I am 100% confident that this will be addressed in some modification or add on program, but it is not easily done now.
Thanks for your kind thoughts.
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My GN is on order and I currently have a modded Thunderbolt. I can't stand that phone at all, and I have been rooted and running Team BAMF ROM for a while. It lags horribly even with overclock, and while on 3G I barely get 7-8 hours. I hate it.
I'm hoping your problems don't translate to mine.
I have one of the 2012 Nexus 7s that turned INCREDIBLY sluggish after about 6 months. It is to the point where I don't even use it anymore, my wife uses it to read and I've gone back to my iPad 2 (ugh).
I've read that the problem with the OG Nexus 7 was the flash memory that Asus used, it degraded quickly or caused bottlenecks, or wasn't trimmed properly, etc.
Can someone that is really familiar with this (not just guessing) tell me if the hardware on the Nexus 7 (2013) is built to prevent this? I really want the new N7 because it was the only Android tablet I've bought (also bought XOOM and Transformer) that could replace the iPad 2 for me.
I'm no memory genius, but I did some searching around, followed some blogs and it seems the problem was the actual speed of the memory.
and after seeing comparrison benchmarks, the internal memory on the 2nd Generation was about 2X as fast as the 1st gen. so, while it seems they put in nicer memory, We'll have to wait and find out.
FWIW, i never had a problem with my OG N7, neither did my wife with Her's. both were day 1 purchases.
edit: Source: http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-just-how-much-faster-is-it-a-lot-apparently/
The main problem with the old N7 even the TF700 (both Tegra 3 devices) was the single channel memory, as well the lousy NAND that was put in the devices which really caused it to lag.
The NAND is by far sub-par on the device and that a MicroSD card can typically help increase the performance by placing all the data on it is pretty bad as MicroSD cards in itself are pretty slow as well even for the best ones.
i got the new one. i feel as tho there is still some slight lag in certain programs. even though it has 2gigs of ram, i would have thought it would be flawless and smooth. maybe it's beccause i just turned it on and started using it. but i can tell you that the chrome browser is way faster on 4.3 than 4.2.2.
also the sound is loud and clear! screen resolution is unbelievable. but with 2gigs of ram, i expected it to be much smoother.
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i got the new one. i feel as tho there is still some slight lag in certain programs. even though it has 2gigs of ram, i would have thought it would be flawless and smooth. maybe it's beccause i just turned it on and started using it. but i can tell you that the chrome browser is way faster on 4.3 than 4.2.2.
also the sound is loud and clear! screen resolution is unbelievable. but with 2gigs of ram, i expected it to be much smoother.
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i just got the new one and it was a bit sluggish until i took the latest OTA. now i'm on JSS15J build it is running really really smooth. love it so far.
Did you run fstrim ("Lagfix.apk") on your original N7?
For what it's worth, Android Police has benchmarked it and said that it's working reasonably well - better than the original. If this is your concern, though, I would wait for Anandtech to review it. They were extremely concerned about flash performance last time around, and I think they'll cover it in their review this time around.
And yes, the JSS15J build does make a hug difference in fluidity. Definitely worth getting it.
I just ran AndroBench not sure how it compared to other current tablets.
Sequential Read 58.8 MB/s
Sequental Write 14.29 MB/s
Random Read 12.01 MB/s 3074 IOPS(4K)
Random Write .84MB/s 216 IOPS(4K)
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Did you run fstrim ("Lagfix.apk") on your original N7?
For what it's worth, Android Police has benchmarked it and said that it's working reasonably well - better than the original. If this is your concern, though, I would wait for Anandtech to review it. They were extremely concerned about flash performance last time around, and I think they'll cover it in their review this time around.
And yes, the JSS15J build does make a hug difference in fluidity. Definitely worth getting it.
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I have been running fstrim on mine, but it still lags horribly. It worked fine for the first few months. I should have known what the quality is like when I had to return my first one because of screen separation issues, then had the same problems with the second one and just kept it.
I am definitely waiting on the anandtech review, because I trust their attention to detail.
I have two "old" N7s. None has any lag !!!!!
Maybe due to constant wipes/flashes ? I kinda leave my daughter's N7 (~14months old) alone and it doesn't have lag that I can notice.
Anyway, Windows lags overtime too. That's why I do an image backup of a fresh installation. Once in awhile, I restore the image to
get a fresh Windows. It helps a lot.
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I have been running fstrim on mine, but it still lags horribly. It worked fine for the first few months. I should have known what the quality is like when I had to return my first one because of screen separation issues, then had the same problems with the second one and just kept it.
I am definitely waiting on the anandtech review, because I trust their attention to detail.
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Good news! http://www.anandtech.com/show/7176/nexus-7-2013-mini-review/4 seems to suggest that not only is the eMMC faster out of the box on the N7-2013 (which I've anecdotally observed), but that they've included fstrim in Android 4.3 for the N7-2012. That suggests that at you should at least see more consistent performance over a longer period of time than the N7-2012 on the new one, and that your N7-2012 should speed itself up a little bit...
So promising, definitely, but I'm guessing if you really wanna know before buying, you'd have to give it a good 4-6 months of someone using it before getting the definitive word on it.
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Good news! http://www.anandtech.com/show/7176/nexus-7-2013-mini-review/4 seems to suggest that not only is the eMMC faster out of the box on the N7-2013 (which I've anecdotally observed), but that they've included fstrim in Android 4.3 for the N7-2012. That suggests that at you should at least see more consistent performance over a longer period of time than the N7-2012 on the new one, and that your N7-2012 should speed itself up a little bit...
So promising, definitely, but I'm guessing if you really wanna know before buying, you'd have to give it a good 4-6 months of someone using it before getting the definitive word on it.
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I totally agree it's faster. Just loaded up my tablet... 435 Meg free. Nice and quick still. No issues. Delete the items using the space up and very quick still. Benchmarked nearly identical.
Performance has been top notch. Games are quick, large ones at that, switching between apps have been quick.
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Sluggish?? My nexus 7 32gb has 5gb left of storage after putting my movies and shows and it has no sluggish apps or any slowdown problems.
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i noticed immediately how much faster the new n7 is compared to my old one. its like night & day.
I think the real problem with the old Nexus 7 is Android 4.2.
Like many others who remained on or switched back to 4.1, I can tell my device runs as snappy as ever.
Sure, the memory may not be the best / fastest, but these annoying lag problems people report of are most probably simply due to 4.2 or other misconfigurations. People just don't wanna acknowledge it because they think: "Back to 4.1? Never!" or such.
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I think the real problem with the old Nexus 7 is Android 4.2.
Like many others who remained on or switched back to 4.1, I can tell my device runs as snappy as ever.
Sure, the memory may not be the best / fastest, but these annoying lag problems people report of are most probably simply due to 4.2 or other misconfigurations. People just don't wanna acknowledge it because they think: "Back to 4.1? Never!" or such.
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Why not custom ROMs...?
Hi all- I am thinking about getting the 5X as a replacement for my wife's faltering Lumia.She has had the Lumia for about 1.5 years and it has been great but lately the battery is dying quickly and it is prone to freezing,and there is no way to power it off!You have to wait for it to die and then restart.
I have read that the drawbacks of the 5X are poor battery life and a stuttering UI.The Lumia always had great battery and was buttery smooth as well as having an amazing camera so I don't want the 5X to feel like a downgrade.
I have been flashing since I had my Droid Incredible way back when so I would have no problem with applying a Custom ROM to the 5X to smooth out the experience.
So I am looking for ROM recommendations that deal with the stock units shortcomings.I am guessing that installing Chroma or Pure Nexus or some other custom ROM will tackle those issues.
Thanks!
If you notice in the threads that people complain about a laggy UI there are just as many users saying they have never experienced that issue. I'm one of the latter.
Decrypt the phone and install Pure Nexus, that's all I needed for a perfect user experience. :good:
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If you notice in the threads that people complain about a laggy UI there are just as many users saying they have never experienced that issue. I'm one of the latter.
Decrypt the phone and install Pure Nexus, that's all I needed for a perfect user experience. :good:
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Good to know-that's about what I figured.Thanks for the feedback!
Stock device here with no performance or battery issues, I don't even have root access or need to reboot my device. Just do a clean install and don't restore from a previous device as many of those with issues seem to have done so.
The camera is one of the best in a smartphone right now (same as Nexus 6p), as is the highly accurate IPS panel tested to be more accurate than the one used with the more expensive iPhone 6s.
i would give it a week and use the phone as it comes (apart from maybe an adblocker, which for me is a mandatory thing). honestly the 5x is a great device, and a lot of those shortcomings that are talked about in reality turn out to be related to certain apps.
as you may guess, my own device is still on stock and i feel no need at all for another rom. battery life is great, fast charging is a great feature, and apps on my end start up near instantaneous even though the phone is encrypted.
of course there are some mild annoyances as with every other device and OS. when it comes to the 5x these were basically limited to doze, which is a great feature, which may have to be manually disabled for certain apps like GMail.
in the end it comes down to your wifes habits, the apps and usage, and the expectations she brings upon her phone. see if she is pleased with the phone (at all). if she isn't you can then take on those issues specifically. after all the closer you stay to stock, the less maintenance there is to do.
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Stock device here with no performance or battery issues, I don't even have root access or need to reboot my device. Just do a clean install and don't restore from a previous device as many of those with issues seem to have done so.
The camera is one of the best in a smartphone right now (same as Nexus 6p), as is the highly accurate IPS panel tested to be more accurate than the one used with the more expensive iPhone 6s.
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Interesting information-thanks.
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i would give it a week and use the phone as it comes (apart from maybe an adblocker, which for me is a mandatory thing). honestly the 5x is a great device, and a lot of those shortcomings that are talked about in reality turn out to be related to certain apps.
as you may guess, my own device is still on stock and i feel no need at all for another rom. battery life is great, fast charging is a great feature, and apps on my end start up near instantaneous even though the phone is encrypted.
of course there are some mild annoyances as with every other device and OS. when it comes to the 5x these were basically limited to doze, which is a great feature, which may have to be manually disabled for certain apps like GMail.
in the end it comes down to your wifes habits, the apps and usage, and the expectations she brings upon her phone. see if she is pleased with the phone (at all). if she isn't you can then take on those issues specifically. after all the closer you stay to stock, the less maintenance there is to do.
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Pretty sound advice-she is not a power user.Or a heavy App user either.Just basic functions and she will be used to a great Camera so that matters.Stock may be just fine for her but I also know the power of a well-developed ROM can make a good or great device even better. Thanks for the input.
Have had mine since launch. Battery life is fine (lasts morning to evening with heave use; 24+ hours on light to moderate use), and the device does not stutter. UI is smooth and the device multitasks well. I am stock, unrooted, and encrypted. I don't game, however.
The only two criticisms of the 5X that I feel are at all valid are: an average (at best) speakerphone; and low output from the headphone jack. With regard to the former, the speaker will get the job done but is definitely not great. With regard to the latter, the 5X supports USB audio so if you are really serious about your music that's the way to go.
From what I have seen here and on reddit, it really is a good idea not to restore from a previous device. It does seem to be something of a common factor among folks that claim to have issues.
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Have had mine since launch. Battery life is fine (lasts morning to evening with heave use; 24+ hours on light to moderate use), and the device does not stutter. UI is smooth and the device multitasks well. I am stock, unrooted, and encrypted. I don't game, however.
The only two criticisms of the 5X that I feel are at all valid are: an average (at best) speakerphone; and low output from the headphone jack. With regard to the former, the speaker will get the job done but is definitely not great. With regard to the latter, the 5X supports USB audio so if you are really serious about your music that's the way to go.
From what I have seen here and on reddit, it really is a good idea not to restore from a previous device. It does seem to be something of a common factor among folks that claim to have issues.
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Good to know-well we would be setting up a fresh device,no restore for sure.
I had Volume issues on my Nexus 6 only when playing music oddly.Phone and Bluetooth and GPS were actually quite loud and I had to adjust down.You need Root,but with ES File Explorer I was able to edit the “mixer_paths.xml” file and setting all values that were "84" to "99" solved my problem.Not sure if that would work on a 5X although in theory it should,perhaps there may be a similar hack that a Google search would uncover.Thanks for the input.
I know it's been some time since the 5X came out and I'm thinking of ordering one. Has Google addressed the lag issues that plagued the phone when it first came out? How would you rate smoothness and performance?
I bought one a few days ago , it doesn't lag at all and in term of performance it's really good! It's fluid.
got mine in early december. stock, rooted, adaway, deactivated transition animations (literally all the changes i made). no lag issues so far, app switching is smooth and launching an app is subjectivly as quick as to be expected. from my experience and what i've read it can easily keep up with the SGS6.
If you're stock, then yes.
If you're modding and have custom kernel, then potentially no.
Lag on 5x? Can't say I experienced that.
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Experience the lag quite often now. Especially if I don't reboot it for an extended period of time. Most aggravated by camera use. If I never use the camera, it takes a significantly longer period of time before it starts to lag. If I'm traveling and using the camera constantly, I need to reboot by end of day to get the phone functional again.
Honestly any bit of "lag" issues you may have heard about is nitpicking...the overall experience is very fluid and fast.
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I've had my device for a couple days and haven't had any lag issues what so ever on completely stock unrooted and have used the device a good bit. It makes me think that whatever was an issue when the phone was first released was a hardware issue that has since been resolved behind closed doors.
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I have two, one is mine and one is my wife's. I bought them both on release and hers has been quite the headache. It's already been replaced once for issues with unreasonable amounts of lag compared to mine. Mine has been mostly fine, with the same pain points like Camera/Chrome as her but not as bad. I'm not quite as demanding of the phone as she is. I recently wiped mine and went to an AOSP rom with the ElementalX kernel and haven't experienced any of the same lag doing the same exact same tasks. I may wipe hers first and try the same set up before exchanging it again. I'm leaning heavily towards Google just did not optimize the stock kernel for the 808 chip at all. I really feel like they booted up the first build and went "OK it works, let's ship it" without doing any real testing and optimizing like other manufacturers seem to have done (LG G4, Moto X Pure, basically any other 808 phone).
My phone has never had lag. Smooth as butter.
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It's there for some and that's probably not going to change. Here's one popular android blog (Android Central) that recently wrote a "3 months w/ the 5X" article. Multiple editors provided their thoughts.
It is hit or miss for me. This is my first Nexus so I don't notice lag often but it is there even though I am decrypted and running a custom rom/kernel. My experience has been mostly positive, I love using the 5X. If I were coming from a previous Nexus, I probably would notice the difference in performance right away however my last device was a dual core S3.
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If you're modding and have custom kernel, then potentially no.
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Nope, stock device here (no root) with zero lag. Snappy performance and the camera is always quick. I only reboot about once per month for the monthly security OTA.
Besides, most CPU governors are tweaked to increase battery life by decreasing clock speeds. Not to increase performance.
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I've had my device for a couple days and haven't had any lag issues what so ever on completely stock unrooted and have used the device a good bit. It makes me think that whatever was an issue when the phone was first released was a hardware issue that has since been resolved behind closed doors.
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I got mine on release day and my device does not lag. The majority of devices do not we're just 10x more likely to hear from those with issues then those without. There has been no hardware revision or change in the 5x, just software updates.
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It's there for some and that's probably not going to change. Here's one popular android blog (Android Central) that recently wrote a "3 months w/ the 5X" article. Multiple editors provided their thoughts.
It is hit or miss for me. This is my first Nexus so I don't notice lag often but it is there even though I am decrypted and running a custom rom/kernel. My experience has been mostly positive, I love using the 5X. If I were coming from a previous Nexus, I probably would notice the difference in performance right away however my last device was a dual core S3.
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My last device was the Nexus 5. The 5x is just as snappy and the graphics performance is far ahead. My device is stock and not rooted BTW. Based on user experiences I've been reading, those with issues are in the minority and experiencing 3rd party software issues. Many have reported success by doing a factory reset without restoring data from another device.
BTW that article is a joke IMO. The only person who mentions how often their performance issues occur mentioned "about once per week" and the rest don't even say.
Obviously some people are having problems with device performance, but I don't believe it's inherent to the device as most are not experiencing such issues and problems only seem to arise once certain types or amounts of background services are running.
My theory: 2GB of RAM on 64 bit OS fills up quicker than 2gb running 32bit. Users are overloading their RAM with background services (possibly aided by a memory leak ala Android 5). It's no secret that many 3rd party background services have really bad memory management.
Yes lag is there. Fresh reset camera everything runs great. Give it a few days (3-4 for me) and you can stop using your camera. Pictures will take 5 seconds to process. I'm not exaggerating. No software fix in sight, and not a peep from Google about this being an issue or a fix in the works. Feel pretty jipped being a pre-order customer.
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Yes lag is there. Fresh reset camera everything runs great. Give it a few days (3-4 for me) and you can stop using your camera. Pictures will take 5 seconds to process. I'm not exaggerating. No software fix in sight, and not a peep from Google about this being an issue or a fix in the works. Feel pretty jipped being a pre-order customer.
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I can second this totally. Pre-ordered the device and seeing lag especially when using the camera...
not really
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I know it's been some time since the 5X came out and I'm thinking of ordering one. Has Google addressed the lag issues that plagued the phone when it first came out? How would you rate smoothness and performance?
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It totally depends on how you use it. Overall it's a nice phone
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Nope, stock device here (no root) with zero lag. Snappy performance and the camera is always quick. I only reboot about once per month for the monthly security OTA.
Besides, most CPU governors are tweaked to increase battery life by decreasing clock speeds. Not to increase performance.
I got mine on release day and my device does not lag. The majority of devices do not we're just 10x more likely to hear from those with issues then those without. There has been no hardware revision or change in the 5x, just software updates.
My last device was the Nexus 5. The 5x is just as snappy and the graphics performance is far ahead. My device is stock and not rooted BTW. Based on user experiences I've been reading, those with issues are in the minority and experiencing 3rd party software issues. Many have reported success by doing a factory reset without restoring data from another device.
BTW that article is a joke IMO. The only person who mentions how often their performance issues occur mentioned "about once per week" and the rest don't even say.
Obviously some people are having problems with device performance, but I don't believe it's inherent to the device as most are not experiencing such issues and problems only seem to arise once certain types or amounts of background services are running.
My theory: 2GB of RAM on 64 bit OS fills up quicker than 2gb running 32bit. Users are overloading their RAM with background services (possibly aided by a memory leak ala Android 5). It's no secret that many 3rd party background services have really bad memory management.
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I run custom everything and I prefer it. OOTB, left some things to be desired even though my overall Nexus experience has been great. I agree, we'll always here complaints over positive experiences.
Your theory on ram makes sense from a general level of understanding. For me, ram management on here is awful. A few apps, Maps for instance, reload all too quickly.
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I can second this totally. Pre-ordered the device and seeing lag especially when using the camera...
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I can also second this, I'm looking for custom ROM that will make phone usable again. At this point, I resent returning the N6.
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Short answer, yes it lags and pretty bad. I have to power cycle daily to make it usable. I also thought most reviewers were making unrealistic expectations and we're nitpicking but apparently they weren't
Yes, especially with thermal throttling such as when using navigation, taking videos, or multiple photos in succession.
Mine is horrible. Lag when opening the camera, lag when browsing chrome. My phone is encrypted and I have android wear. Honestly the only thing good about this phone versues my nexus 5 is the fingerprint scanner and the front facing speaker and way better battery life. Other than that I am not liking this phone at all.
I've not been on XDA for quite some time but came on today looming for answers to lag on my 5x.
Totally stock, gets above average use I'd guess, and it starts to lag several times a week.
I I stalled an app called Fast Reboot which seems to help without having to go through the pain of a full power off - but after a couple of weeks that makes little difference now.
Full reboot restores speed, but using the camera a coue of times instantly returns the lag - can take 30 sec+ for camera app to take a photo or close. However the lag starts after a day or two even if I don't use camera at all.
Maybe try a replacement from Google seeing as it seems hit and miss rather than a clear manufacturing/ ROM issue across them all.
Would you say that the Samsung Galaxy S8+ is "fast" in day-to-day use? A higher rating indicates that you think the Samsung Galaxy S8+ exhibits fantastic performance. Like, is it as fast as your tears when you watch The Titanic?
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Yes Its really fast
Yes it really fast and reliable, I am using and I advice others to use it. thanks
T-Mobile is fast in Orlando on the S8+.
In my opinion, the S8 is hindered by typical Samsung jitter, transitions and animations stutter all over the place, its really jarring, and its making me reconsider upgrading to the Note 8.
I have been using my Gs8+ for 3 months now and for the first 2 months I was very happy with performance but now I am experiencing hickups. The device gets warm to the touch, a reboot seems to fix the problems for a few hours. Now that I have also bought the new iPad Pro 10.5 it seems like a pile of **** like I'm using a 3 year old phone. I am thinking of resetting it and if it happens again i'l try a custom ROM. But I can still recommend this phone because I think it's partly because I expect to much as a poweruser.
Better than the rest!
Im coming over from a Pixel XL, and I think the phone itself may be a bit slower than the Pixel XL was. Although negligible, I can tell a difference. I also noticed that it was clunky of 5ghz wifi, but worked fine over 2.6ghz. Not sure whats up with that, but downloading apps and navigating in chrome was very slow over the 5ghz.
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I have been using my Gs8+ for 3 months now and for the first 2 months I was very happy with performance but now I am experiencing hickups. The device gets warm to the touch, a reboot seems to fix the problems for a few hours. Now that I have also bought the new iPad Pro 10.5 it seems like a pile of **** like I'm using a 3 year old phone. I am thinking of resetting it and if it happens again i'l try a custom ROM. But I can still recommend this phone because I think it's partly because I expect to much as a poweruser.
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Coming from an S7 , It is probably that your battery is causing this. The more you discharge your phone to 0-10% battery the faster your battery is going to die. You will see that your phone heats up faster/performance slower and charge much slower than before. My S7 is great after 1 year of usage , what i do is turn of fastcharge (fastcharge charges faster at an increased temperature but the s8 is probably more effecient at it ), charge at 50% or try to.
It is way too laggy, period. Lags all over the place. I'm getting mine rooted.
Which rom is best nowadays?
I used to be a real poweruser years ago when CyanogenMod was the **** but I'm uninformed the past 5 years so I need some guidance
Smooth
If u are experiencing lag I highly recommend u go to bootup mode and clear the cache on your phone. Do it 3 times just to be safe. Especially after an update. Totally gets rid of the stuttering. Also disabling any app that's using the acessabilty service speeds up any Android also.
I just ran a geek-bench on my s8+ and I am rooted on Verizon. Single core score 1853 and multi is 6261
thanks, it really fast
I'm running Batman ROM and have a geekbench 4 single core score of 2027 and Multi 6751. The device is even faster with a custom ROM.
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T-Mobile is fast in Orlando on the S8+.
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Cool , how did you do that ?
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Cool , how did you do that ?
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There is LTE+ there (as well in my area in NY) and it's blazing fast.
I honestly don't quite understand how this phone can get such positive reviews of its speed and UI experience.
I've used or at least tested A LOT of phones this year, and the S8+ has probably been the slowest, most janky experience I've had on a phone - even when compared to budget devices like the Moto G5 Plus.
App launching, multitasking, scrolling smoothness, and excess heat have all been inferior to every other current gen phone I've used.
IMO, it could only be measured a success when compared to multiple-years old phones.
S8+/SM-G955F slower then LG D855 (G3)
I totally agree with CConn882,
My S8+ take 3-4 seconds to launch camera. Multi tasking is horrible too. I'll try out to clear the cache several times, but I think that will not help a lot. Only the fact there's no other device with that great screen holds me to the Galaxy S8+. I would love to use AOSP with all Samsung specific apps. (camera, video re-sizing, etc.)
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does it lag over time?
This phone is horribly slow. Multitasking is sh*t and app opening animations are slow and laggy. Some apps takes seconds to open. My phone is original and bought from carrier. No junk apps installed. And it kind of a su*ks to keep an eye of what is installed in such an expensive device. Cleaning cache and junk does nothing and it starts lagging again in few hours.