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After finding enough screenshots/video reviews, I am beginning to think that from a hardware perspective the S and L variants are identical (including supported bands), whereas the K is only slightly different from S/L.
Any images of the back cover off on the K models (Olleh) will show "F400 0425 K" indicating the hardware is the "K" variant. (If you watch the review video http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g3-review, you will notice this info up at the top on the backside, right above the camera.) UPDATE: Here is another link with an image http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/lg-g3-review-a-great-phone-with-way-too-many-pixels/#image-4
On the S/L (SK Telecom, LG U+) models, they say "F400 0423 S/L" on the SK Telecom model ("S" variant), and "F400 0425 S/L" on the LG U+ model ("L" variant). You can find images of the "S" model with engadget's review (http://www.engadget.com/gallery/lg-g3-review/2676959/#!slide=2676963), and images of the "L" model with ubreakifix's F400L teardown (http://www.ubreakifix.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ubif-g3-21.jpg).
(Thanks and kudos to the review sites and teardown site for the images.)
As an owner of the F400S, I can tell you that all 3 variants will run on AT&T LTE (as a lot of our LTE is on Band 17 - 700 MHz spectrum). I was able to load my F400S with the TOT and DLL files of all 3 variants (currently waiting on getting it back to the "S" variant once the DLL is posted), and all 3 variants will connect to AT&T with no issues (for those of you that plan on importing like I did).
So for those of you who managed to brick your new G3, as long as you can ADB into it, you can edit your build.prop file with the corresponding korean variant model info, and load any stock image. As @wolfgart has posted a great thread with the TOTs and DLLs, I recommend swinging through there for more info. If you have a K variant, load the K TOT and DLL, and you are fine.
For those of us with S/L variants--with the above info and enough tinkering in the hidden menus of all 3 variants, I can tell you that from a hardware perspective these two models are nearly identical. From a modem/supported frequencies perspective, the S and L variants support the exact same frequencies--meaning, if you bricked your S or L version, you can restore it with an S or L TOT and DLL (after editing build.prop if needed) and you will still get all of your original hardware supported bands/frequencies. This is critical for those of you using LTE Band 5 to connect to your data... (should not be the case for any US AT&T users...).
UPDATE: in the 'Android Development' section, wolfgart's thread with the TOTs and DLLs have been updated to now include the files for all 3 models. So unless you know what you are doing with a build.prop edit, probably best to stick with what came with the phones for those who are new to this stuff.
The main difference between the S/L and K phones in frequency/band support is that LTE Band 8 is supported on the K model only, whereas you will get LTE Band 5 support on the S/L models. All other bands and frequencies (WCDMA/GSM) are the same across all 3 models. All 3 also support LTE Band 17, and will connect to AT&T in the US.
Took me a while to figure this out, but I had a long weekend
Cool! nice to know, thanks for the well explained post
Any thoughts about the L/S version suporting LTE Band 7?
Thanks
gsanches said:
Any thoughts about the L/S version suporting LTE Band 7?
Thanks
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Unfortunately, I don't connect to LTE with band 7 so I can't say much on that. However, just based on the hidden menus in both (I am using the L version on my S variant phone at the moment), they both have the same listings of 1,3,5,7 for supported bands.
LTE 700, 850, 1800, 2100, 2600 (Band 17, Band 5, Band 3, Band 1, and Band 7 respectively)
UMTS 850, 1900, 2100
GSM 800, 900, 1800, 1900
The above are the fully supported bands on the S and L variants.
The below are the fully supported bands on the K variant.
LTE 700, 900, 1800, 2100, 2600 (Band 17, Band 8, Band 3, Band 1, and Band 7 respectively)
UMTS 850, 1900, 2100
GSM 800, 900, 1800, 1900
I don't have the K variant on my device now, but I recall the only band difference is that it supports LTE band 8 (900 MHz) instead of LTE band 5 (850 MHz), but other supported bands are the same. LTE Band 5 is one of the primary bands for both SK Telecom and LG U+ (which partially explains why the two phones have nearly identical hardware, including modem support).
Hope this answers your question. As support for those frequencies are built in (and it makes sense on LG as a mass manufacturer--They can use the same modem and just rebrand it like they did in Korea for the S and L variants).
Why is the S one more expensive than the L?
gsanches said:
Why is the S one more expensive than the L?
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That, my friend, is a question you will have to ask LG and SK Telecom. We sorta see that in the US every so often with "special editions" that aren't really that special and they will add an extra 100ish.
Off-contract, LG U+ is the most affordable right now, with SK Telecom right around $700 USD. With markup and shipping, etc. eBayers are selling it for $750-800.
Also, you have to remember the G3 is a hot commodity even in Korea right now. Had some friends who thought it was funny I got a phone overseas before they even bothered joining the bandwagon.
So though I can't say for sure why exactly it's more expensive, I can definitely say it has to do with the fact that the phone is still only 3 weeks old
And none of those 3 will work on T-Mobile LTE which needs 1700 and 2100Mhz most of time.
There are some spots with 900Mhz support though.
But as much as I want G3, I'll wait for the T-Mo version.
Yeah...I'm a proud owner of a Htc One M7...I have been thinking a lot and decided that it's time to change. I'm comparing the M8, the Z2, the G3 for a long time and finally think that this last one will be the one...unfortunately it's still very soon to easily find information regarding this phone online...
Your information helped me a lot...now I know exactly which variant to buy :fingers-crossed:...thank you guys very much
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Yeah...I'm a proud owner of a Htc One M7...I have been thinking a lot and decided that it's time to change. I'm comparing the M8, the Z2, the G3 for a long time and finally think that this last one will be the one...unfortunately it's still very soon to easily find information regarding this phone online...
Your information helped me a lot...now I know exactly which variant to buy :fingers-crossed:...thank you guys very much
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It looks like you are planning on doing the same upgrade I did. I still have my M7 as my backup , but definitely gotta say I am loving my G3.
That's amazing man...I've been a HTC fan since the Sensation...but currently I feel that they are been left behind...
I'm really sorry, but other brands are offering a lot more for the same price.
The HTC will always win in design and the quality of the phone's body, screen and, of course, sound!...but they are losing in the rest...UI, camera, battery life definitely...it's just sad
Nice to know that you're enjoying your G3...I hope I'll be as happy as you are in a few weeks...and judging by how much I've researched about it...I'm sure I'll love it!!!
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sorry, which of these three variants brings FM radio? K, L, S, and if for example buy the K version, if you install the L or S variant fm radio works?
I´m about to buy a G3 and found some model have an antenna, is that correct?, anybody knows what tv frequencies can handle?. Thanks!
G3 HAPPY said:
sorry, which of these three variants brings FM radio? K, L, S, and if for example buy the K version, if you install the L or S variant fm radio works?
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From my research, none of the korean models (F400 S/K/L) support FM radio. Instead of an FM radio tuner, they are offered with Korea's DMB tuner, for korean DMB support.
I have only seen DMB function while in Korea and Japan. Anywhere else in the world, you will have to check with local providers, as some countries will charge for DMB as a service (just like satellite television).
Hope this helps
ferluci said:
I´m about to buy a G3 and found some model have an antenna, is that correct?, anybody knows what tv frequencies can handle?. Thanks!
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The only frequencies it can support is anything broadcasted as DMB. Certain countries offer DMB subscription services, but you will have to research if it is offered where you live.
In the US, DMB is unavailable so I just have a nice long antenna that people crack up at in the year 2014, but completely unusable where I am. I just tell them its for better service as a side joke lol
mikeythedude said:
The only frequencies it can support is anything broadcasted as DMB. Certain countries offer DMB subscription services, but you will have to research if it is offered where you live.
In the US, DMB is unavailable so I just have a nice long antenna that people crack up at in the year 2014, but completely unusable where I am. I just tell them its for better service as a side joke lol
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OK! Thank you
Anyone know which one is the best for AT&T
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salvador1980 said:
Anyone know which one is the best for AT&T
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Any of them will do. I would say go for the one that gives you the best price. At this point, enough AT&T users have gotten their hands on all 3 variants. Most can get LTE through band 17 (700 MHz) which is available on all 3 phones.
Will the D855 variant (with LTE 700MHz) be able to use on AT&T (band class 17) or Verizon (band class 13)?
Or to be more specific, will the D855 cover all 700MHz US band class (12, 13, 14, and 17)?
Thanks!
kittiyut said:
Will the D855 variant (with LTE 700MHz) be able to use on AT&T (band class 17) or Verizon (band class 13)?
Or to be more specific, will the D855 cover all 700MHz US band class (12, 13, 14, and 17)?
Thanks!
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You would have to check which specific band class of 700 MHz the D855 would be capable of connecting to. As I do not have the D855, and specs are varied on the internet right now, I cannot say for sure.
The FCC had ruled four separate band classes to operate on the 700 MHz spectrum in America--Band 17 700 MHz capable modems cannot connect to any of the other 700 MHz band classes and vice versa. (It was claimed that they did not want to have any network interference issues. Carriers purchased the rights to access certain chunks of the 700 MHz spectrum, and they are isolated to those carriers only.)
I am seeing 700MHz (B28) support on D855 models, but I believe that might be related to certain LTE-A rollouts in Europe (meaning it may not be able to connect to current 700 MHz bands in the US (as the US does not have LTE-A networks at the moment) and new band classes are issued for LTE-A (i.e. Band 28).
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The only frequencies it can support is anything broadcasted as DMB. Certain countries offer DMB subscription services, but you will have to research if it is offered where you live.
In the US, DMB is unavailable so I just have a nice long antenna that people crack up at in the year 2014, but completely unusable where I am. I just tell them its for better service as a side joke lol
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Does the antenna stand out much? Or is it hidden? Thanks
Hi all,
Thinking about picking up the G4. I do some occasional travel to Europe for work, about once a quarter. As such, I am looking at the G4 variant that will work on both sides of the Atlantic. It looks like I can pick up the International H815 that should do just fine. But being here in the States, I'd probably have to special order one.
I took a look at the specs for the AT&T H810 variant, and it says that it has the LTE bands 1, 3, 7 for Roaming. Incidentally, the band I need for my carrier in Europe is band 3.
So my question is does included hardware support band 3? Would I be able to use my Europe SIM in the phone and connect to band 3? Or does the roaming imply I can only access band 3 with my USA SIM when I am roaming in Europe?
Any insight would be helpful! Thanks!
kwan888 said:
Hi all,
Thinking about picking up the G4. I do some occasional travel to Europe for work, about once a quarter. As such, I am looking at the G4 variant that will work on both sides of the Atlantic. It looks like I can pick up the International H815 that should do just fine. But being here in the States, I'd probably have to special order one.
I took a look at the specs for the AT&T H810 variant, and it says that it has the LTE bands 1, 3, 7 for Roaming. Incidentally, the band I need for my carrier in Europe is band 3.
So my question is does included hardware support band 3? Would I be able to use my Europe SIM in the phone and connect to band 3? Or does the roaming imply I can only access band 3 with my USA SIM when I am roaming in Europe?
Any insight would be helpful! Thanks!
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I just ordered a brown leather 815 on eBay for 700. By the time you figure taxes and getting leather option and not having to deal with ATT sounded like a decent deal. I hope I can get the free goodies from Lg. Plus it should be here by the June 1st or so.
kwan888 said:
Hi all,
Thinking about picking up the G4. I do some occasional travel to Europe for work, about once a quarter. As such, I am looking at the G4 variant that will work on both sides of the Atlantic. It looks like I can pick up the International H815 that should do just fine. But being here in the States, I'd probably have to special order one.
I took a look at the specs for the AT&T H810 variant, and it says that it has the LTE bands 1, 3, 7 for Roaming. Incidentally, the band I need for my carrier in Europe is band 3.
So my question is does included hardware support band 3? Would I be able to use my Europe SIM in the phone and connect to band 3? Or does the roaming imply I can only access band 3 with my USA SIM when I am roaming in Europe?
Any insight would be helpful! Thanks!
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Provided AT&T allows you with Unlock code to use Europe SIM. I doubt.
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FWIW ATT actually gave me the unlock code within 2 days. Pretty fast.
Hi guys,
I've posted in the AUS thread over in the main board, but it doesn't seem to be getting much attention:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/lg-g3-australia-thread-au-t2841345/page45
It's been reported and tested among several android devices that phones using the QUALCOMM chipset can now have various 4G/LTE bands UNLOCKED following a relatively easy - but fairly tedious process. as the G3 (and specifically, the dual SIM D858) sports the MSM8975AC Snapdragon 801 chipset...I ask the question:
Has anyone successfully unlocked 1 or more LTE/4G bands? I'd buy this phone if it were possible for root, then a successful unlock of all popular 4G bands here in Australia, specifically B28 (FDD) 700Mhz. Anyone who has tried, failed, succeeded or can provide additional details, please respond!
Thanks
Anyone?
Might be worth closing this, as G3 owners apparently don't visit here anymore.
*LOCK*
I got my D858HK in the US and am here until August. I'll be primarily using in India and China. I tried one of the procedures using QPST and QXDM to write all the 4G/LTE bands to memory, thereby "unlocking" them. Didn't seem to work on AT&T's (US) network. I'm only getting 3G. It's possible I didn't do something correctly, however...
I also tried going into the hidden menu, but while I am able to select/deselect the check marks for the different bands, there is no way to save the selections. At least no way that I can find. I would expect that I should be able to get 4G (even if not LTE) if the unlocking was successful.
Not that this helps you much, but I am also interested in a way, if possible. I'll probably give it another shot later this week or next week. I'll come back and post if I have any success.
flueterflam said:
I got my D858HK in the US and am here until August. I'll be primarily using in India and China. I tried one of the procedures using QPST and QXDM to write all the 4G/LTE bands to memory, thereby "unlocking" them. Didn't seem to work on AT&T's (US) network. I'm only getting 3G. It's possible I didn't do something correctly, however...
I also tried going into the hidden menu, but while I am able to select/deselect the check marks for the different bands, there is no way to save the selections. At least no way that I can find. I would expect that I should be able to get 4G (even if not LTE) if the unlocking was successful.
Not that this helps you much, but I am also interested in a way, if possible. I'll probably give it another shot later this week or next week. I'll come back and post if I have any success.
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I bought the G4 dual SIM...I've posted in busier threads there in the general forum where others will actually respond. Hopefully we can get this soon...just need an unlocked bootloader on G4...
RoOSTA
Sounds like you tried this thread. Thank goodness someone did, because I couldn't even download QPST, but I'm trying to get on T-mobile. Like you, I entered the secret menu with 3845#*858# What I find odd is that the LTE band selection indicates 1,2,3,4,5,7,8,17,20,40 But frequencycheck.com shows that these phones actually do 1,3,7,38,39,40,41. Those latter bands are crucial for China, so even if this setting were to work, it may well break China support.
flueterflam said:
I got my D858HK in the US and am here until August. I'll be primarily using in India and China. I tried one of the procedures using QPST and QXDM to write all the 4G/LTE bands to memory, thereby "unlocking" them. Didn't seem to work on AT&T's (US) network. I'm only getting 3G. It's possible I didn't do something correctly, however...
I also tried going into the hidden menu, but while I am able to select/deselect the check marks for the different bands, there is no way to save the selections. At least no way that I can find. I would expect that I should be able to get 4G (even if not LTE) if the unlocking was successful.
Not that this helps you much, but I am also interested in a way, if possible. I'll probably give it another shot later this week or next week. I'll come back and post if I have any success.
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successful in unlocking WCDMA/LTE bands in LG G3 D858HK
i was able to unlock the additional WCDMA and LTE bands in my LG G3 D858HK varient using QPST and QXDM.
The unlocking of WCDMA bands was done using QPST and the unlocking of LTE bands was done using QXDM.
Another important thing to note is that i was using MOKEE ROM 7.1.2 while doing the band unlocking.
NV MANAGER couldn't read from phone when i tried with the stock rom.
Dear Sir,
I am going to Purchase LG G3 D850 US Version , Please Guide me Whether It works on 4G LTE and other networks in India or Middle east, Because i am an Indian while i am residing in Qatar.
Please help me i could purchase the Specified Model.
Awaiting your valued Reply....
Well, the D850 is a manufacturer _locked_ device that will work on that AT&T network only, in USA, unless you unlock it. Moreover, by design, the device supports out of factory only the radio bands that are necessary to operate on the AT&T network. Even if you manage to unlock the device to operate on non-ATT network, you still will run into issues with some bands missing. So personally, I wouldn't bother with the buying the D850 to use outside of USA or ATT network.. unless you have some solid proof that the D850 can be easily adapted to some other environment. I don't know abour Qatar, but I heard that the new Oneplus X smartphone is fairly optimal for using in India, and perhaps other countries. It has the same hardware specs as the G3.
Hi all,
I am going on a long trip to the UK and Middle East, and want to take my LG G4 with me and use foreign service providers. I am planning on flashing the H815T (Similar to H815 International Version but supports more bands) KDZ file onto my existing LG H812 (Bell Canada) hardware, so I can have support for those frequency bands in the UK and Middle East.
According to my understanding, the H815T rom is compatible with the H812 hardware, as both the Bell Canada and International Versions have the same underlying hardware, but I would gladly appreciate if someone can confirm this. I have attached the phone details below.
Thanks and all the best!
The risk is not worth it ...
BIG_BADASS said:
Hi all,
I am going on a long trip to the UK and Middle East, and want to take my LG G4 with me and use foreign service providers. I am planning on flashing the H815T (Similar to H815 International Version but supports more bands) KDZ file onto my existing LG H812 (Bell Canada) hardware, so I can have support for those frequency bands in the UK and Middle East.
According to my understanding, the H815T rom is compatible with the H812 hardware, as both the Bell Canada and International Versions have the same underlying hardware, but I would gladly appreciate if someone can confirm this. I have attached the phone details below.
Thanks and all the best!
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The risk is not worth it ... It is a lot cheaper to carrier unlock your phone so that you can put any foreign service provider's SIM card in rather than having to buy a new phone when you (hard?) brick it, i.e. ~ $20.00 vs $700.00 (or ~$150.00 on ebay for a used one).
But if you insist ... carry on.
S.
sdembiske said:
The risk is not worth it ... It is a lot cheaper to carrier unlock your phone so that you can put any foreign service provider's SIM card in rather than having to buy a new phone when you (hard?) brick it, i.e. ~ $20.00 vs $700.00 (or ~$150.00 on ebay for a used one).
But if you insist ... carry on.
S.
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I have done so previously with Samsung Galaxy S4 (all had different model numbers), I used to flash different carriers firmware regularly, as I travel quite often. Just wondering whether the same is true for LG.
Thanks!
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BIG_BADASS said:
I have done so previously with Samsung Galaxy S4 (all had different model numbers), I used to flash different carriers firmware regularly, as I travel quite often. Just wondering whether the same is true for LG.
Thanks!
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Unfortunately ... because you cannot unlock the H812's bootloader (at this point in time, any way), you cannot safely flash different firmware in the same way you did with your Samsung. Unlocking your carrier so you can replace your SIM card with foreign providers and if you wish, installing steadfasterX's TWRP-in-FisH to have a custom recovery is about it for now. If and when steadfasterX completes his efidroid port to LG G4 locked devices (he's working on it now for unlocked devices), then you may be able to install different firmwares.
All of us H812 owners as well as many others are in the same boat.
Safe travels,
S.
BIG_BADASS said:
Hi all,
I am going on a long trip to the UK and Middle East, and want to take my LG G4 with me and use foreign service providers. I am planning on flashing the H815T (Similar to H815 International Version but supports more bands) KDZ file onto my existing LG H812 (Bell Canada) hardware, so I can have support for those frequency bands in the UK and Middle East.
According to my understanding, the H815T rom is compatible with the H812 hardware, as both the Bell Canada and International Versions have the same underlying hardware, but I would gladly appreciate if someone can confirm this. I have attached the phone details below.
Thanks and all the best!
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I read so much of bands because of Xiaomi phones. I don't think it would work. You need hardware for bands
yener90 said:
I read so much of bands because of Xiaomi phones. I don't think it would work. You need hardware for bands
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Can you confirm that frequency bands are hardware based?
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Can you confirm that frequency bands are hardware based?
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For Xiaomi yes: they unlocked the bands, still couldn't get running. I can't tell for LG, maybe every LG uses same antenna or they using different antennas. Check out, if your phone requires special antenna, then you now for sure. Just check that out, before you spend your time on this.
yener90 said:
For Xiaomi yes: they unlocked the bands, still couldn't get running. I can't tell for LG, maybe every LG uses same antenna or they using different antennas. Check out, if your phone requires special antenna, then you now for sure. Just check that out, before you spend your time on this.
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So if they are hardware based, then howcome when you unlock the phone, it suddenly supports all the bands? Also by antenna, do you mean the GSM transmitter and receiver?
BIG_BADASS said:
Hi all,
I am going on a long trip to the UK and Middle East, and want to take my LG G4 with me and use foreign service providers. I am planning on flashing the H815T (Similar to H815 International Version but supports more bands) KDZ file onto my existing LG H812 (Bell Canada) hardware, so I can have support for those frequency bands in the UK and Middle East.
According to my understanding, the H815T rom is compatible with the H812 hardware, as both the Bell Canada and International Versions have the same underlying hardware, but I would gladly appreciate if someone can confirm this. I have attached the phone details below.
Thanks and all the best!
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Did u make it